business or small office, and if it's not, they need to configure their
network correctly so SA only processes only what the MTA passes.
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There's nothing my users or the legitimate users sending email to my
users can do about it,
Greg answered this one perfectly, they might not like it, but it is the
only real solution.
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of liked that idea back in the original
hotmail days, but looks like they abandoned that a long time ago.
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On 22/02/2025 00:21, Benny Pedersen wrote:
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and I'm sure thats exactly what he doesn't want, whitelisting one of
the biggest spammers, yeah, that makes sense not...
off your drugs again Noel? you dont get to tell ANYONE how they can
po
16 to trusted_networks which would
result into ALL_TRUSTED hitting.
and I'm sure thats exactly what he doesn't want, whitelisting one of the
biggest spammers, yeah, that makes sense not...
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st by sender, whitelisting
google en mass is fraught with danger, they are in the top 3 biggest
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Links:
--
[1] http://psbl.surriel.com
[2] http://score.senderscore.com
[3] http://wl.mailspike.net
text/html?, all can
make 8bit encodes, but this example there it does not work, since cte
is make the content 7 bit
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On 17/02/2025 03:23, Bill Cole wrote:
On 2025-02-16 at 04:41:25 UTC-0500 (Sun, 16 Feb 2025 19:41:25 +1000)
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is rumored to have said:
On 16/02/2025 01:07, Bill Cole wrote:
On 2025-02-15 at 07:42:44 UTC-0500 (Sat, 15 Feb 2025 13:42:44 +0100)
wissen.online | Stefan Mehlhorn
is
amic style) address pool and get proper
A/ and matching PTR records.
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On 11/11/2024 06:13, John Hardin wrote:
On Sun, 10 Nov 2024, Noel Butler wrote:
On 09/11/2024 08:48, MX wrote:
I would just score anything DNSWL at 0. I mean no disrespect to the
maintainer of DNSWL but I just don't find it useful these days. Spam is
too complex now.
local.cf:
thers you need to add
by now... hrmmm, should look into that too)
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, please check and
remove it, feel free to tell him what you think of him directly, the
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sent from domain X, it has ZERO to do with "is
or is not" spam.
So again, venting your annoyance at your misunderstanding of DKIM with
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doesnt work" not I cant get my mail because of
error fooXXX or cant send mail because im an idiot and cant read that we
dont relay out on port 25, or im trying to relay using my old isps mail
server... *sigh* but you get used to ignoring Benny's unintelligible
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date my SA
configuration ?
Thanks,
- J
SORBS has been ultra sensitive like that for a few years now, it allows
lookups, then it doesn't, seconds later it does, I suspect an ill
configured DoS protection mechanism that's overly paranoid, but good
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console confirms it.
Problem with the code that scans the content for things like URI's? It
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igh, blocking would
likely get them off their buts.
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fail wont make it to spamassassin or others who think they can
ignore a domain owners wishes.
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as spam, in any email I've audited in the last
decade.
This!
Trust must be earned, not assumed (or bought)
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course YMMV depending upon you're countries politics or what your ISP is
like I guess.
https://blog.ausics.net/archives/147-How-do-you-use-Email.html
Michael Grant
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is too big to
block, and its a shame that likes of spamhaus and spamcop operate that
way too, essentially shrugging their shoulders and going "oh well"
It is just crazy that on the internet you are expected to clean up
someone else's mess.
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stupid in
2024.
Trust must be earned, not implied (or bought), as Joanne points out, "my
spam is your ham and vice versa"
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tried using that sender from a non AWS host, even for just a
test?
My bet is, it's scoring higher because of AWS, who are abused often by
spammers and scammers.
server and using AWS's SES SMTP server for outbound. The
and therein probably lies the answer.
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k-a-mole asking individual sites to
whitelist you until the end of time.
-- Noel Jones
gift cards in legit mail, some of it actually
business-related.
Good luck.
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st of the lists
he's moderated on (which is pretty much everyone) of setting
reply-to-list, and those who don't know better, don't bother to check
where they're replying to.
Which is kinda worrysome since the same people are supposed to be
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It's also why we dont accept reports here that " oh google says its
there" because google have a history of not honouring TTL's, and it
always pays to use a DNS server that you don't think would have your
zone cached, to get a fresh perspective.
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On 28/11/2023 08:59, Noel Butler wrote:
~$ host 24.116.100.90
;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached
Seems like AT&T *ARE* doing the correct thing and it is *YOU* with the
problem. before you start calling others f'wits do better
investigation, a dig trace indic
e-att.net> but I've emailed them from 3 different
addresses and have yet to get a response much less a resolution.
Has anyone else had to deal with this bullocks and gotten it resolved?
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On 11/11/2023 22:37, Mike Bostock via users wrote:
There is a way to whitelist domains with no RDNS but so far I haven't
found a way to do this in the .mc file.
Thanks again
/etc/mail/access
Connect:foo OK
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#x27;ma change
that score to 0.25
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to think they've changed that though.
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would be pleased at that duration, we have
a meta-data retention law that says we must keep CDR's and mail and web
server logs for "minimum" of 2 years, funny though, they dont want us to
keep usenet logs, because the vile scum of the earth and warez pups have
never heard of usen
that's that old (or even 10 years
ago), you STILL have much bigger problems than someone rejecting you on
SPF :)
The oldest mail server log I can find is from mx-in-08 sadly even that
one is only from 2005 but confirms we were using it then, quite a bit
longer than 2014 :P
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modern software - I hope thats changed since but somehow I suspect
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an early adopter, teething issues as with all software needed fine
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- Ensuring my "long sig" is even longer, just for Benny
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On 17/07/2023 20:00, Benny Pedersen wrote:
Noel Butler skrev den 2023-07-16 02:05:
it's why anyone who whitelists gmail is a fool (much like those who
use gmail in the first place), we in fact add a positive score for all
google/gmail connections
you still have bigger signature then g
l
hat" rubbish either since they long admit it.
it's why anyone who whitelists gmail is a fool (much like those who use
gmail in the first place), we in fact add a positive score for all
google/gmail connections
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cleanfeed, no idea if it still works that way as I lost my MS contact
when she left for greener pastures.
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On 28/05/2023 12:02, Thomas Cameron wrote:
On 5/27/23 17:21, Noel Butler wrote: apparently does not disable the
rule (like 0 disables all the others), is that a way of forcing your
world view upon the rest of the world Kevin?
I thought this welcome crap wasnt being applied until next release
AS usual I still dont get whatever you're going on about benny, but v4
was where these changes were to be, yes, BUT none of our servers are on
v4
ls /var/lib/spamassassin/
3.004006/ compiled/
On 28/05/2023 00:06, an unmedicated Benny Pedersen trolled:
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On 28/05/2023 02:53, John Hardin wrote:
On Sat, 27 May 2023, Noel Butler wrote:
USER_IN_WELCOMELIST 0
apparently does not disable the rule (like 0 disables all the others),
it is still scoring negative values on messages despite being set some
time ago, and surviving "new kernel&qu
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On 19/05/2023 20:54, Benny Pedersen wrote:
https://news.netcraft.com/archives/2023/05/17/phishing-attacks-already-using-the-zip-tld.html
good or bad, i really dont know
https://twitter.com/hnasr/status/1658853944037351424
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that SPF is part of mail-headers?
dig +short TXT spamassassin.apache.org;
"spf2.0/pra ?all"
"v=spf1 include:_spf.apache.org -all"
Received-SPF: Pass (mailfrom) identity=mailfrom;
client-ip=3.227.148.255; helo=mxout1-ec2-va.apache.org
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x-e100-01.localdomain;
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massively abused, 5 is too low, but most ISP's and enterprises MTA
block those two anyway.
YMMV (but unlikely on the last two me thinks)... this is based on
Australasia, can't speak for what is seen in the EU or US
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My point is, they are all the same and if someone wishes to whitelist
them, that's the risk they take, they are answerable to their users, not
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3.4, as the channel can't even
override
anything from official rules.. so only affects recent 4.0.0/trunk
users.
or save SA doing extra work, and use the RBL's at MTA level - where they
should be used and have been used for 25 years in the ISP world
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This Ema
%
3 /dev/null the other obvious ; 0.0001% (ultra low becasue step 1
catches most)
4 inbox the rest
As for spam folder checking not even I bother with mine except for
once or twice a year
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On 14/08/2022 23:15, David Bürgin wrote:
To clarify: Backscatter is caused by 'rejecting' mail with a bounce
message, after first accepting it.
This is what was being suggested by some, I think everyone here knows
what backscatter means, and what it is.
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On 14/08/2022 22:37, Martin Gregorie wrote:
On Sun, 2022-08-14 at 11:39 +1000, Noel Butler wrote: On 14/08/2022
02:38, Martin Gregorie wrote:
3) It would be rather trivial to return spam to sender with a
suitable
WTF, that has been a terrible idea since the 90s, given most spam is
spoofed
hand might find this
annoying, but enterprises and ISP world are able to fine tune this, but
we use a number of blacklists and complex milter-regex rules that stops
95% of the crud outright before hitting SA.
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backscatter and going into blacklists :)
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, hits no less that 6
blacklists. I was going to look at clamav that is in use here, as I
had just been tuning that a bit and realized that that may be using a
hammer to drive a screw. so to speak.
Or are they passe these days?
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issues about the mlm, and none of it is
bringing noise onto the list, which I too am now guilty of and shall be
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, why the noise, its 3 years old (well mine was), get
over it :)
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On 14/07/2022 17:27, Benny Pedersen wrote:
Noel Butler skrev den 2022-07-14 00:38:
ezmlm has been long brain dead, I particularly like its messages
saying its reject message but never tells you the actual 5xx code.
I aint about to go through 2019's logs to find out why either :)
Co
it is extremely likely that you did not originate the message
that bounced.
ezmlm has been long brain dead, I particularly like its messages saying
its reject message but never tells you the actual 5xx code.
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don't, so I just drop the scores for obvious over-reach and move on, I
made the comment just to advise the OP is not the only one seeing it)
Cheers
On 02/05/2022 12:14, Kevin A. McGrail wrote:
Feel free to submit fps for review.
On Sun
, .quest, .rest, .sbs,
* .shop, .stream, .top, .trade, .work, .xyz TLD abuse
$ spamassassin --version
SpamAssassin version 4.0.0-r1898781
running on Perl version 5.34.1
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k of update failed,
channel
failed
sa-update failed for unknown reasons
Did anyone else notice the same thing or is it just on our end?
Thank you, I am seeing that as well.
Kind regards,
Bert
Confirmed, it's erred here for 48 hours
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/2021 21:19, Philipp Ewald wrote:
You can report it. Gmail is on DNSWL
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rule set updates would be aswell we all loose, do your good homework,
but dont make ads out it here
if its just me, sorry
For once Benny, no, you're right.
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Boon wrote:
I've had no alerts, so no issues here
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eless smart
arse replies, I don't care what this thing does we wont be touching it
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On 20/05/2021 11:58, Bill Cole wrote:
On 2021-05-19 at 21:13:41 UTC-0400 (Thu, 20 May 2021 11:13:41 +1000)
Noel Butler
is rumored to have said:
By now most of you are aware of the hostile takeover of freenode and
the mass exodus that's currently underway (if not see kline.sh for
mor
On 13/05/2021 01:47, Paul Fowler wrote:
Did you ever get a reply for this?
I was wondering the same thing.
DNSRBL is still available, but I don't know how often this is updated.
Regards,
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-
From: Noel Butler
Sent: Monday 1 February 2021 01:36
To:
problem however
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Issue has been FIXED.. all looks good
yep, perl scripts we use to monitor our mail servers in key DNSBL's sent
upalerts at 02:55 local
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Anyone got an goss on where they went?
Been down since late last year, haven't seen any messages about closing
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nope
try lookup your host, or, any host, it goes to "has address
91.195.240.87"
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On 2020-11-21 04:59, Jakob Curdes wrote:
To all: please also rememember that this list is international and not
every corner of the world is interested in the way the current
conflicts in the U.S. are handled.
well said!
Or, in other words, the Nth amendment is part of the U.S.
constitutio
rejections, hmm
If they set a softfail, they dont really care if that domains is
spoofed, or it just isn't an important domain, I adjust my SA rules to
force softfails as spam , I hard reject hardfails on MTA, and I also
null out any and all whitelisting in SA,
trust must be earned, not as
haps, the rules above should be defined only for version >=4
and versions <4 should have the original rules.
I agree, but since Kevin is the one forcing this political crap down our
throats, he wont care and will deny all requests, just run a perl regex
over the rules to remove/repl
On 25/07/2020 04:03, Kevin A. McGrail wrote:
> I'd say too many people without merit and knowledge of the project
> spouting off building on misinformation and rants more fitting for a
> racist channel on 4chan would be my analysis of what started the discussion.
here we go again, attacking peopl
On 24/07/2020 23:26, Benny Pedersen wrote:
> Noel Butler skrev den 2020-07-24 14:57:
>
>> because it shits trolls like you off
>
> https://imgur.com/pHlUeZY?fbclid=IwAR2l8HBDnXST5-adnmyIbBAsq16sZeGNhfqHwBNM8IkQZsir2aUw-H919hk
dunno what you referenced benny I only click on l
On 24/07/2020 22:01, Benny Pedersen wrote:
> Noel Butler skrev den 2020-07-24 03:24:
>
>> The fact the OP never included you means they knew you were being
>> sarcastic, kevin cant see that because he is in total defensive mode,
>> he thought people would suck up his di
ver and move on,
but he was so so so wrong.
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RESENT - list didnt obviously like my original so here is a slightly
more sanatised version
On 22/07/2020 12:48, Charles Sprickman wrote:
> Oh my god, you snowflakes, please just get over yourselves.
>
> You are a loud, pedantic, solipsistic minority that is just unwilling to
> either a) accep
my month long test should yield about 30 million
msgs, be glad to let you know at the end of that.
I did nothing fancy since i'm not an rspamd expert.
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hit rates, when it
came to known false positives, it equalled spamassassin though.
Obviously before moving production over to it, I need to run it again
over a much longer period of time, but it looks promising, I'll see it
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other mail rejected as well, since someone changed from
hermes to this mailroute machine...
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On 17/07/2020 21:02, Antony Stone wrote:
> On Friday 17 July 2020 at 12:50:57, Noel Butler wrote:
>
>> ahhh ye ol "your opinion differs from mine, so I want you gone"
>
> No, I don't mind you having a different opinion, or even expres
ahhh ye ol "your opinion differs from mine, so I want you gone"
yes, sums your type up rather nicely, desperate for approval and
pathetic...
On 17/07/2020 18:44, Antony Stone wrote:
> On Friday 17 July 2020 at 00:58:05, Noel Butler wrote:
>
>> I did 24 hours back wa
On 17/07/2020 05:35, @lbutlr wrote:
> On 15 Jul 2020, at 20:34, Noel Butler wrote:
>
>> December 27 (our quietest time of year generally) this year has been slated
>> for our changeover to remove spamassassin from our network.
>
> Nose. Spite. Face.
>
> Can you
acism. Does everyone get this! By definition
> you ARE a "RACIST" and ARE "White Privilege[d]."
>
> This is a political movement to blacklist (oohhh, I said it) anyone
> who does not comply. We're no longer angry, we're "not ex
On 16/07/2020 13:15, Benny Pedersen wrote:
> Noel Butler skrev den 2020-07-16 04:34:
>
>> December 27 (our quietest time of year generally) this year has been
>> slated for our changeover to remove spamassassin from our network.
>
> +1
>
>> Our policies hav
On 16/07/2020 09:24, Kevin A. McGrail wrote:
> All:
>
> We're getting some positive attention from the verbiage change. See
> https://www.linkedin.com/posts/kmcgrail_apache-spamassassin-leads-a-growing-list-activity-6689260331719520256-gMy7
> for a link to a Guardian Digital post about it.
>
>
On 14/07/2020 19:03, Kevin A. McGrail wrote:
> Marc and others about voting,
>
> The ASF is a meritocracy not a democracy. Voting privileges are earned by
> demonstrating merit on a project. That is the project management committee
> aka the PMC. Discussion with the PMC on this change start
on anyone whose
> opinion differs from yours?
Thats been Harry's trait for years its why he is moderated here, its why
he is moderated or banned from so many lists I lost count over the
years. He's a sociopath as he sees nothing wrong with what he does.
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ne which clearly 99% of people you know them, the users? the users
that make SA relative, disagree with.
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uess it, the USA
about redskins offending indians and some football, I guess they''' have
to stop saying your'e " in the red" too
only in fucking america.
SA is open source enough to fork yeah? I can see that happening
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huh? I dont see that subject in the thread, I guess thats what you mean,
I dunno, you're not talking to an american
On 11/07/2020 12:38, Charles Sprickman wrote:
> Read Red Scare hours on the timeline tonight...
>
> On Jul 10, 2020, at 10:35 PM, Noel Butler wrote:
>
> Wh
nably descriptive
> and since they still start with W and B, we avoid renaming things like
> RBLs, WLBL, DNSBL, etc. This should help minimize the disruption when
> 4.0 is released with the new configuration options.
>
> Regards,
>
> KAM
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