On 01.01.2014, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
> I am looking at going with the flow that a notebook should not need
> an MTA
Any MTA for just one user will do. You won't even notice that it's
there. System load and the ability to handle a lot of connections is
not relevant in this case.
> I will conti
On 01/01/2014 04:26 AM, Heinz Diehl wrote:
On 01.01.2014, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
I am looking at going with the flow that a notebook should not need
an MTA
Any MTA for just one user will do.
But what's the fun in that? TPTB have decreed no MTA default. But CRON
is in by default, so perh
Afternoon folks,
I know that Fedora 18 is kinda obsolete but for a number of reasons, I have
to stick to it for the time being. However, I am quite sure that this
problem/behavior isn't restricted to F18. But since I am using that, ought
to say that.
So, here is the problem.
I have a ZTE K3800 d
Hello,
I did not find a way to control the screen brightness of a laptop in live.
xbacklight -set 90
does not work!
Thank.
===
Patrick DUPRÉ | | email: pdu...@gmx.com
Laboratoire de Physico
Alright, I learned about usb_modeswitch and usb_modeswitch_data and after
hell lot of poking with libusb and friends, got some inspiration. But, then
again.
[root@blah ~]# cat /etc/usb_modeswitch.d/19d2\:0154 | grep MessageContent
MessageContent="5553424312345678061e000
On 01.01.2014 14:33, Soham Chakraborty wrote:
> Afternoon folks,
>
> I know that Fedora 18 is kinda obsolete but for a number of reasons, I have
> to stick to it for the time being. However, I am quite sure that this
> problem/behavior isn't restricted to F18. But since I am using that, ought
> to
I know man but I cannot update. Because I have to stick to the policies
laid down by the internal IT team.
Nice comparisons you provided though ;) I will go over the links pretty
soon.
On another note, this looks like a pretty mundane problem, right. I mustn't
b the first guy to hit this.
On We
On 12/30/2013 04:07 PM, David wrote:
On 12/30/2013 4:00 PM, Eddie G. O'Connor wrote:
On 12/30/2013 08:48 AM, Tim wrote:
Allegedly, on or about 30 December 2013, Mihamina Rakotomandimby sent:
SPAM is very subjective.
I saw users subscribing to several newsletters for an event (say XMas)
and the
On 1/1/2014 1:31 PM, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote:
> On 12/30/2013 04:07 PM, David wrote:
> I have it "on"...and I would hope its working...but its just seems to me
> that a LOT of spam is getting inI dunno. I think I will be looking
> into Spam Assassin for TB,...and will be customizing my Mess
On Wed, Jan 01, 2014 at 02:06:41PM -0500, David wrote:
> Like all spam filters, that I know of, you have to train it. You have to
> mark emails as spam that you consider spam.
Yep.
> Spam Assassin would be the same way I would think. I do not know of any
> spam filter program that already knows w
Hi,
Lately I have been facing a lot of difficulty trying to get the
information I want easily using journalctl. I find the manpage of
limited use; as in, it has the basic information but the more advanced
information is scattered in several manpages and the text is littered
with jargon more appro
On 01/01/2014 03:16 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
On 12/31/2013 10:49 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
No. That's just blatantly wrong. journalctl's output is a pixel
perfect match of /var/log/messages.
...
Sure, it has some improvements controllable via options but nothing that
wou
On 01/01/2014 02:06 PM, David wrote:
On 1/1/2014 1:31 PM, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote:
On 12/30/2013 04:07 PM, David wrote:
I have it "on"...and I would hope its working...but its just seems to me
that a LOT of spam is getting inI dunno. I think I will be looking
into Spam Assassin for TB,..
On 1/1/2014 2:36 PM, Dave Ihnat wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 01, 2014 at 02:06:41PM -0500, David wrote:
>> Like all spam filters, that I know of, you have to train it. You have to
>> mark emails as spam that you consider spam.
>
> Yep.
>
>> Spam Assassin would be the same way I would think. I do not know
Hi,
On Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 1:30 PM, Steven Stern
wrote:
> On 12/31/2013 12:27 PM, Alex wrote:
>> Hi, I have fc20 installed successfully on my desktop.
>>
>> How can I configure the clock at the top to show the date? Why would
>> it be so difficult to do such a simple thing? I googled a bit, and
On 1/1/2014 3:50 PM, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote:
> On 01/01/2014 02:06 PM, David wrote:
>> On 1/1/2014 1:31 PM, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote:
>>> On 12/30/2013 04:07 PM, David wrote:
>>> I have it "on"...and I would hope its working...but its just seems to me
>>> that a LOT of spam is getting in...
Hi,
>> How can I configure the clock at the top to show the date? Why would
>> it be so difficult to do such a simple thing?
>
> It isn't that difficult.
>
> # yum install gnome-tweak-tool
>
> Search for "Tweak tool" in the overview and go to the "Top Bar" section.
>
> The command line equivalent
HI
On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 3:40 PM, Lars E. Pettersson wrote:
> What improvements? Is it possible to get it "a pixel perfect match" using
> options?
>
> What you do need to know is where the fields differ. This as you might
> need to update your scripts to handle these differences.
>
> I can not
On 01/01/14 15:50, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote:
Well thank you all for your input...I've gotten Spam Assassin
installedand now I'm going to play with it to see just how precise
I ca get itI'll start off with the obvious
stuff..(viagra.online pharmacy..erroneous dating sites, th
On 01/01/2014 10:19 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
If you want to find out what journalctl can support, look at the man
page. If you have suggestions for improvements, post it in Bugzilla like
I did yesterday.
OK, I thought you meant that you knew an option that did it "pixel
perfect". Perhaps I mi
On 12/31/2013 10:20 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
Your proposal is irrelevant when we are talking about current reality.
No it is by no means not. By implementing my proposal this mail is not
lost (as Lennart Poettering stated it in the devel list) by ending up in
/var/spool/mail. If included in
On 01/01/2014 03:00 PM, Alex wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 1:30 PM, Steven Stern
> wrote:
>> On 12/31/2013 12:27 PM, Alex wrote:
>>> Hi, I have fc20 installed successfully on my desktop.
>>>
>>> How can I configure the clock at the top to show the date? Why would
>>> it be so difficult
Hi there:
I just called up the gnome-tweak-tool: what's the difference between
suspend and hibernate? It gives these, among other sleeping actions when
folding the computer up.
Just curious - hibernate doesn't have a man page.
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On behalf of the DNF team I'd like to invite all the interested Fedora
users in trying out and testing DNF in Fedora 20. DNF is a tool that
aims to fully replace Yum by Fedora 22. Please check out the blog post
for more information:
A question, I fo
On 01/02/14 06:09, Richard Vickery wrote:
> I just called up the gnome-tweak-tool: what's the difference between suspend
> and hibernate? It gives these, among other sleeping actions when folding the
> computer up.
>
> Just curious - hibernate doesn't have a man page.
>
suspend keeps the system
Hi
On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 4:50 PM, Lars E. Pettersson wrote:
> On 12/31/2013 10:20 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
>
>> Your proposal is irrelevant when we are talking about current reality.
>>
>
> No it is by no means not. By implementing my proposal this mail is not
> lost (as Lennart Poettering sta
When I use my AVRISPmkII programmer to fool with the
microcode on my 3D printer motherboard, my mouse and
keyboard apparently get reset. All the settings I made
with xinput disappear and I have to re-apply them.
The ISP is running through the same powered hub as the
keyboard and mouse, maybe somet
On 01.01.2014 20:57, Suvayu Ali wrote:
> Now my questions:
>
> 1. How can I filter messages printed to the logs from my cron jobs? I
>will try to explain by example:
>
> $ journalctl -ru crond --since=-3d
> -- Logs begin at Sun 2013-11-17 02:48:46 CET, end at Wed 2014-01-01
> 20:
On Wed, Jan 01, 2014 at 11:52:04PM +0100, Mateusz Marzantowicz wrote:
> On 01.01.2014 20:57, Suvayu Ali wrote:
>
> > Now my questions:
> >
> > 1. How can I filter messages printed to the logs from my cron jobs? I
> >will try to explain by example:
> >
> > $ journalctl -ru crond --since
On Wed, Jan 01, 2014 at 10:50:39PM +0100, Lars E. Pettersson wrote:
>
> (I have not done any changes to the configuration of the journal, so this
> could be the journal of a normal user (well, perhaps not, in this case it is
> my home web and mail server and it probably produces more journal data
On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 2:26 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
> On 01/02/14 06:09, Richard Vickery wrote:
> > I just called up the gnome-tweak-tool: what's the difference between
> suspend and hibernate? It gives these, among other sleeping actions when
> folding the computer up.
> >
> > Just curious - hiber
On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 12:33:18PM +0100, Ales Kozumplik wrote:
> Hello,
>
> On behalf of the DNF team I'd like to invite all the interested Fedora users
> in trying out and testing DNF in Fedora 20. DNF is a tool that aims to fully
> replace Yum by Fedora 22. Please check out the blog post for mo
On 01/01/2014 11:30 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
You are again missing the point that when evaluating changes, you can't
do so against a hypothesized change that noone is working on. You will
have to evaluate it against status quo vs someone willing to do the work
involved. You are not volunteerin
HI
On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 6:28 PM, Lars E. Pettersson wrote:
> my proposal could be regarded as a RFE to improve the handling of mail
> created by different programs and daemons.
>
No. Not unless it is actually filed in bugzilla with the details. Filing
a RFE requires no prior knowledge ot
HI
On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 6:27 PM, Suvayu Ali wrote:
> I have been using this since F20 release. I noticed there is no
> completion available, unlike yum. I can probably reuse yum's completion
> with dnf by simply `complete -F _yum dnf', but I'm afraid that will be
> unaware of the subtle dif
On 01/02/2014 01:05 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
my proposal could be regarded as a RFE to improve the handling of
mail created by different programs and daemons.
No. Not unless it is actually filed in bugzilla with the details.
Filing a RFE requires no prior knowledge other than how to
On 01/02/2014 12:28 AM, Lars E. Pettersson wrote:
On 01/01/2014 11:30 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
...
Unfiled bugs
doesn't fundamentally change that although if you find any, you can file
them and get the transition to be smoother.
Do you regard the sluggish journal I have as a bug? I will glad
On 01/02/2014 01:12 AM, Lars E. Pettersson wrote:
On 01/02/2014 01:05 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
...
When no users are created by the installer, there is nothing to add to
/etc/aliases and as I noted before, user creation is an optional step
within the installer. I don't see anything in your
Hi
On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 7:48 PM, Lars E. Pettersson wrote:
> Let me rephrase that.
>
> * The question should be in that part were you create the first user on
> the system (and after the user creating step, disregarding if you have
> added a user or not)
> * You can chose
> - keep /etc/aliase
Hi
On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 7:12 PM, Lars E. Pettersson wrote:
>
> So what do we have these mailing list for if we are not supposed to
> discuss ways to better Fedora? Rahul, I simply do not understand you on
> this issue.
This list is for community support for end users.
>> As I mentioned bef
On 01/01/2014 04:12 PM, Lars E. Pettersson wrote:
On 01/02/2014 01:05 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
my proposal could be regarded as a RFE to improve the handling of
mail created by different programs and daemons.
No. Not unless it is actually filed in bugzilla with the details.
Filing a
On 01/02/2014 01:51 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
I don't see the installer developers will agree to this proposal. If
you want this amount of control, you are better off using kickstart IMO
but feel free to file it if you want to.
The proposal is intended to help the non technical users of Fedora
On 01/02/2014 02:01 AM, Joe Zeff wrote:
ICBW, but I think he means that while we can work out exactly what
enhancement is needed and what's just re-inventing the wheel, nothing is
going to get done unless somebody files the appropriate RFE.
Yes, and at the moment we are in the work out phase. N
Hi,
>> "show date" only shows month and day, not year. There doesn't appear
>> to be a "date" extension that does this.
>
> It's 2014. That should hold you for a "year". :-)
Oops, lol. I meant it only displayed day of week and time. After using
the gsettings suggestion, it now display the full da
HI
On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 8:01 PM, Lars E. Pettersson wrote:
>
> The proposal is intended to help the non technical users of Fedora, and I
> do not see them using kickstart, so that is not a solution.
>
Yes but non technical users wouldn't care to navigate the UI you are
proposing either. Th
On Wed, Jan 01, 2014 at 10:50:39PM +0100, Lars E. Pettersson wrote:
> He states that his journal says "Dec 30 04:36:05
> rsnapshot[8265]: /usr/bin/rsnapshot daily: ERROR: /usr/bin/rsnapshot
> daily: completed, but with some errors" but where to find that
> error? In F19 these errors would have bee
On 01/02/2014 02:00 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
>> As I mentioned before, /etc/aliases will in that case be intact and
mail will be sent to >>root, just as it has been done for years.
So in the end you will be adding a complex UI for a optional edge use
case.
"edge use case"? I have to strongly
On 01/02/2014 02:17 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
Yes but non technical users wouldn't care to navigate the UI you are
proposing either. The entire proposal only satisfies a very small
small niche for users receiving root mail and want to control exactly
how they get it during installation itself.
Hi
On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 8:21 PM, Lars E. Pettersson wrote:
>
> "edge use case"? I have to strongly disagree. We have mail from different
> daemons etc that ends up in mail to root. The normal non technical user
> does not see this mail, and may even by totally unaware of it. This mail
> shoul
On 01/01/2014 05:31 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
The default workflow of the installer does not mandate creating a non
root user
Unless things have changed since the last time I installed Fedora,
firstboot is set to run the first time you boot after the installation,
and that's where you're prom
On Wed, 1 Jan 2014 20:31:23 -0500
Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> The default workflow of the installer does not mandate creating a non root
> user
Um... Unless you want to be able to login after the install :-).
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Joe Zeff wrote:
"Unless things have changed since the last time I installed Fedora,
firstboot is set to run the first time you boot after the installation, and
that's where you're prompted to create your first non-root user"
I don't know when the last time you checked but firstboot is not use
On 01/02/2014 02:31 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
Why? Non technical users don't care about daemons. They are not
expected to baby sit daemons or diagnose problems with them. What
specifically did you expect is important enough in there? Show me an
example
Why? For the same reason we have noti
Hi
On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 8:51 PM, Lars E. Pettersson wrote:
> Why? For the same reason we have notifications.
>
Notifications aren't the same UI as email. Even a cursory guide on UI
would tell you that.
>
> OK, one example:
>
> A user might install yum-cron to update the system
>
Bad examp
On 01/01/2014 05:47 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
I don't know when the last time you checked but firstboot is not used in
Fedora anymore.
The last time I had to do a clean install was to clean up some major
problems in F 16 on my laptop. However, I just checked, and
firstboot.19.2-1.fc19.i686
On 01.01.2014 23:09, Richard Vickery wrote:
> Just curious - hibernate doesn't have a man page.
man 5 systemd-sleep.conf
/usr/share/doc/kernel-doc-3.12.5/Documentation/power/states.txt
https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/power/states.txt
"suspend to both" aka "hybrid-sleep"(systemd).
http:
Hi
On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 8:57 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
> The last time I had to do a clean install was to clean up some major
> problems in F 16 on my laptop. However, I just checked, and
> firstboot.19.2-1.fc19.i686 is currently installed on my desktop, running
> Fedora 19. Unless it was taken ou
On 01/02/2014 02:55 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
Notifications aren't the same UI as email. Even a cursory guide on UI
would tell you that.
We have notifications to notify the user. The mail sent to root is (in
most cases) to notify the user. The UI differ, but it is used, in this
context, for
HI
On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 9:03 PM, Lars E. Pettersson wrote:
>
> We have notifications to notify the user. The mail sent to root is (in
> most cases) to notify the user. The UI differ, but it is used, in this
> context, for more or less the same thing, notifying the user.
Sure but context in
HI
On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 6:22 PM, Richard Vickery
>
>>
> Ah! Thanks! I might find "hibernate" on my own: why would a user use this
> command rather than saving and booting up? and How does it know that to
> look for the memory?
>
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hibernation_%28computing%29
Note
On 01/02/2014 03:08 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
Sure but context in which they are used are very different. If you
really want to know the difference in detail, I recommend you get a
good UI book. My suggestion would be "Don't make me think!" by Steve
Krug.
Rahul, I am not talking about the U
On 01/01/2014 06:03 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
Initial setup replaced firstboot in Fedora 19 and user creation is an
optional step.
OK, but there are still two things this doesn't cover. First, I used
fedup to go from F17 to F19, meaning that firstboot wasn't needed.
Second, if F19 doesn't us
HI
On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 9:14 PM, Lars E. Pettersson wrote:
> Rahul, I am not talking about the UI, I am talking about the information
> you get from the two systems, and what that content tells the user. The UI
> is totally irrelevant in this case.
UI always matters especially when we are
On Thu, 02 Jan 2014 03:14:57 +0100
Lars E. Pettersson wrote:
> Even non-technical user do strange things, so I would say that your
> notion of what non technical users do is pretty skewed.
I would say there is no such thing as "typical", "non-technical",
"technical", etc. users. They are all fic
HI
On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 9:17 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
>
> OK, but there are still two things this doesn't cover. First, I used
> fedup to go from F17 to F19, meaning that firstboot wasn't needed.
Everything that is installed is updated by Fedup. Fedup doesn't
automatically remove any packages.
Hi
On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 9:25 PM, Tom Horsley wrote:
> The only actual user I know and understand is me.
>
> That is true for everyone else as well, no matter how much they
> deny it.
>
Nah. People do have various ways of finding out what users do and need -
customer support tickets, survey
On 01/02/2014 03:20 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
UI always matters especially when we are talking about non technical
users. A typical non technical user would click on updates when the DE
notifies them and nothing more complicated than that.
Again. A notification notifies the user, a mail noti
On Thu, Jan 02, 2014 at 02:25:01AM +0100, Lars E. Pettersson wrote:
> On 01/02/2014 02:17 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> >Yes but non technical users wouldn't care to navigate the UI you are
> >proposing either. The entire proposal only satisfies a very small
> >small niche for users receiving root
HI
On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 9:31 PM, Lars E. Pettersson wrote:
> Again. A notification notifies the user, a mail notifies the user. I.e.
> two different ways of notifying the user. The UI is totally irrelevant in
> this case.
>
We have different perspectives on what consitutes non technical users
On Wed, Jan 01, 2014 at 08:19:50PM -0500, Matthew Miller wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 01, 2014 at 10:50:39PM +0100, Lars E. Pettersson wrote:
> > He states that his journal says "Dec 30 04:36:05
> > rsnapshot[8265]: /usr/bin/rsnapshot daily: ERROR: /usr/bin/rsnapshot
> > daily: completed, but with some er
On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 7:57 PM, Suvayu Ali wrote:
>
> 2. I would like to filter logs that typically go into /var/log/secure
>(or other similar files); how do I do that?
SYSLOG_FACILITY=authpriv
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On 28.12.2013 06:06, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote:
> Hello you Ferdorans! (FedorIANS?...) I have a question,.nowwe
> all know that there's ways to block unwanted email from your system
> using Message Filters, and they work by blocking a certain domain or
> email address and prevent them
On 01/02/2014 03:39 AM, Suvayu Ali wrote:
I'm sorry but I do not see the reasoning behind the assumption:
non-technical implies "we need to protect them from good practice".
Perhaps a bad term to use on my part. New Linux user would perhaps be
better. The idea was to make it easier for them to
On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 3:00 AM, Tom H wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 7:57 PM, Suvayu Ali
> wrote:
>>
>> 2. I would like to filter logs that typically go into /var/log/secure
>>(or other similar files); how do I do that?
>
> SYSLOG_FACILITY=authpriv
Sorry. Just thought that I'd try it and i
On Jan 1, 2014, at 2:47 PM, Lars E. Pettersson wrote:
> On 01/01/2014 10:19 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
>> If you want to find out what journalctl can support, look at the man
>> page. If you have suggestions for improvements, post it in Bugzilla like
>> I did yesterday.
>
> OK, I thought you mea
On Jan 1, 2014, at 6:17 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> HI
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 8:01 PM, Lars E. Pettersson wrote:
>
> The proposal is intended to help the non technical users of Fedora, and I do
> not see them using kickstart, so that is not a solution.
>
> Yes but non technical users
On Jan 1, 2014, at 7:39 PM, Suvayu Ali wrote:
>
> More to the point, I find it counter productive to _remove_ important
> debugging resources/tools irrespective of the technical proficiency of
> the user of the system.
I switched to journalctl when it first appeared as non-persistent logging,
On Jan 1, 2014, at 8:40 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
>
> On Jan 1, 2014, at 6:17 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
>
>> HI
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 8:01 PM, Lars E. Pettersson wrote:
>>
>> The proposal is intended to help the non technical users of Fedora, and I do
>> not see them using kickst
On 2 January 2014 02:07, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> HI
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 6:27 PM, Suvayu Ali wrote:
>>
>> I have been using this since F20 release. I noticed there is no
>> completion available, unlike yum. I can probably reuse yum's completion
>> with dnf by simply `complete -F _yum dn
On 01/01/2014 11:13 PM, Lars E. Pettersson wrote:
On 12/20/2013 12:33 PM, Ales Kozumplik wrote:
On behalf of the DNF team I'd like to invite all the interested Fedora
users in trying out and testing DNF in Fedora 20. DNF is a tool that
aims to fully replace Yum by Fedora 22. Please check out the
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