Re: R: F18 to F19: shutdown doesn't work in LXDE

2013-07-13 Thread antonio
Ed Greshko ha scritto / said the followingil giorno/on 13/07/2013 08:53: On 07/13/13 13:52, antonio wrote: poma ha scritto / said the followingil giorno/on 12/07/2013 23:03: On 12.07.2013 11:12, antonio.montagn...@alice.it wrote: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=981738 he

Re: R: F18 to F19: shutdown doesn't work in LXDE

2013-07-13 Thread Ed Greshko
On 07/13/13 15:01, antonio wrote: > Ed Greshko ha scritto / said the followingil giorno/on 13/07/2013 08:53: >> On 07/13/13 13:52, antonio wrote: >>> poma ha scritto / said the followingil giorno/on 12/07/2013 23:03: On 12.07.2013 11:12, antonio.montagn...@alice.it wrote: > > >

Re: Computer blocked because of error smpboot CPU2: Not responding

2013-07-13 Thread g
On 07/12/2013 04:02 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: <> This is why an incandescent lightbulb is much more likely to fail when you turn it on than at any other time. this is mainly caused by the 'inrush current" when bulb first has voltage applied. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inrush_current I've r

Re: R: F18 to F19: shutdown doesn't work in LXDE

2013-07-13 Thread antonio montagnani
Ed Greshko ha scritto / said the followingil giorno/on 13/07/2013 09:03: On 07/13/13 15:01, antonio wrote: Ed Greshko ha scritto / said the followingil giorno/on 13/07/2013 08:53: On 07/13/13 13:52, antonio wrote: poma ha scritto / said the followingil giorno/on 12/07/2013 23:03:

Re: R: F18 to F19: shutdown doesn't work in LXDE

2013-07-13 Thread Ed Greshko
On 07/13/13 15:47, antonio montagnani wrote: > Ed Greshko ha scritto / said the followingil giorno/on 13/07/2013 09:03: >> On 07/13/13 15:01, antonio wrote: >>> Ed Greshko ha scritto / said the followingil giorno/on 13/07/2013 08:53: On 07/13/13 13:52, antonio wrote: > poma ha scri

Re: [GW-C] [ECOTONE] Re: rant of the day: installing fedora

2013-07-13 Thread Ian Malone
On 12 July 2013 21:45, lee wrote: > > And there needs to be something like an option for extended partitioning > that allows you to do whatever you want. Having the installer do it for > you is a nice option to have and it's not enough. > On install from live discs at least there is definitely

Re: [GW-C] [ECOTONE] Re: rant of the day: installing fedora

2013-07-13 Thread François Patte
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Le 12/07/2013 22:45, lee a écrit : > "D. Hugh Redelmeier" writes: > > You're probably screwed when you need LVM or software raid or > encryption with the partitioning you need. Is there any way to get > that? Can you install Fedora on software rai

F19 Chrony fails to start

2013-07-13 Thread Frank Murphy
Cannot get chronyd.service to start after fedup F18 > F19 I don't know what mdmonitor has to do with it, no raid on box. journalctl -xn -- Logs begin at Thu 2013-07-11 13:15:03 IST, end at Sat 2013-07-13 09:29:41 IST. -- Jul 13 09:29:41 my.upgraded.pc systemd[1]: Cannot add dependency job for un

gnome

2013-07-13 Thread Patrick Dupre
Hello, How do I add an application launcher to the top panel (fedora 18/19)? For example from the application list. Thank. === Patrick DUPRÉ                                 | | email: pdu...@gmx.com Laboratoire de Physico-

Re: F19 Chrony fails to start

2013-07-13 Thread Ed Greshko
On 07/13/13 18:33, Frank Murphy wrote: > Cannot get chronyd.service to start after fedup F18 > F19 > > I don't know what mdmonitor has to do with it, no raid on box. > > > journalctl -xn > -- Logs begin at Thu 2013-07-11 13:15:03 IST, end at Sat 2013-07-13 > 09:29:41 IST. -- Jul 13 09:29:41 my.upgr

Re: Proposal: Fedora should install with IPv6 disabled by default [was: Re: Disabling ipv6]

2013-07-13 Thread David Beveridge
On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 1:25 PM, Fernando Lozano wrote: > > If people on the users list don't agree with me, there's no point > submiting to developers. > > Well I for one certainly don't agree with you. If you disable it everywhere it's too much of a pain to turn it all back on when you need it.

Re: Computer blocked because of error smpboot CPU2: Not responding

2013-07-13 Thread Tim
On Sat, 2013-07-13 at 01:57 -0500, g wrote: > i have a dual lamp fixture in kitchen that has been on a dimmer > control from back in late 80's. neither of the bulbs have burned out > because the dimmer is a 'zero cross on' type and because the dimmer > always starts out at minimal voltage, there is

Re: Cannot login into home directory

2013-07-13 Thread Paul Smith
On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 1:50 AM, Edward Martinez wrote: >> When I login, I get the following problem: >> >> -- psmith: /home/psmith: change directory failed: Permission denied >> >> I have the following: >> >> drwx--. 191 psmith psmith 12288 Jul 12 23:13 psmith >> >> Any ideas? > > >

Re: Disabling ipv6

2013-07-13 Thread Tim
On Fri, 2013-07-12 at 08:54 -0500, Chris Adams wrote: > The best practices have largely been agreed to (as much as any best > practices ever are). IPv6 is as mature as it can get until a billion > end-users get on it. Large ISPs around the world have rolled it out > in production. Major OSes sup

Re: gnome

2013-07-13 Thread Alexander Volovics
On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 12:51:52PM +0200, Patrick Dupre wrote: > How do I add an application launcher to the top panel (fedora 18/19)? > For example from the application list. I think you can do it using an extension "Frippery Panel Favorites". I don't know if it works or how well but you can t

SOLVED Re: F19 Chrony fails to start

2013-07-13 Thread Frank Murphy
On Sat, 13 Jul 2013 19:01:31 +0800 Ed Greshko wrote: > To fix this problem create the file /etc/sysconfig/chronyd with the > contents > > OPTIONS= -4 > Sorted Thanks Ed, -- Regards, Frank "When in doubt PANIC!" I check for new mail app. 20min www.frankly3d.com -- users mailing list use

Re: Cannot login into home directory

2013-07-13 Thread James Hogarth
> > I tried what you reccommended, > > restorecon /home > > > Well as that is listed it would do nothing... It needs to be recrusive - ie restorecon -Rv /home In addition since it has not been clarified can you please confirm /home is on a) a local partition (ie not nfs or cifs) and b) the files

Re: Cannot login into home directory

2013-07-13 Thread Paul Smith
On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 12:20 PM, James Hogarth wrote: >> I tried what you reccommended, >> >> restorecon /home > > Well as that is listed it would do nothing... > > It needs to be recrusive - ie restorecon -Rv /home > > In addition since it has not been clarified can you please confirm /home is

Correct permission for home directory

2013-07-13 Thread Paul Smith
Dear All, I was playing with the permissions of /home /home/psmith because of the issue reported in previous posts. Could someone please tell me the commands to restore the correct permissions to those both directories? In previous posts, some people recommended chmod 755 /home But what abou

gnome applications

2013-07-13 Thread Patrick Dupre
Hello, In fedora18, when I go on application, I can see "browse and run applications". I cannot get the same in fedora 19! Did I miss to install something? Thank. === Patrick DUPRÉ                                 | | email

Re: Cannot login with XFCE

2013-07-13 Thread Paul Smith
On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 12:59 AM, Paul Smith wrote: > Something strange is happening. I have just installed F19 XFCE, and > copied my home directory from an external drive, but now I cannot > login via the graphical login manager; I need to go to > > CNTRL + ALT + F2 > > to login and then startx.

Yum dependency problem

2013-07-13 Thread Timothy Murphy
I'm getting a yum dependency problem when running "yum update" and I'm not sure how to solve it. I'd be very grateful for advice. Some exerpts from the error messages are: --- Error: Package: perl-core-5.10.1-131.el6_4.x86_64 (@updates) Requires: perl-IO-Comp

Schr?dinger?s Cat

2013-07-13 Thread Klaus-Peter Schrage
Is there any way to tell grub2 to display this somewhat nicer in the menu, like in /etc/fedora-release: Schrödinger’s Cat. Thanks -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines:

Scanner plugin mismatch

2013-07-13 Thread Ian Chapman
Hi, Just checking if this is a bug and if there's a workaround. It happened in F18 too when a recent set of HPLIP updates came through, but I've since update the same box to F19 and I'm seeing the same problem. I have an HP multifunction printer with a builtin scanner which has always worked

Re: Scanner plugin mismatch

2013-07-13 Thread Ed Greshko
On 07/13/13 21:15, Ian Chapman wrote: > Just checking if this is a bug and if there's a workaround. It happened in > F18 too when a recent set of HPLIP updates came through, but I've since > update the same box to F19 and I'm seeing the same problem. I have an HP > multifunction printer with a b

Re: Scanner plugin mismatch

2013-07-13 Thread Ian Chapman
On 13/07/13 21:24, Ed Greshko wrote: The HPLIP stuff is at 3.13.6 but I'm not sure what it's telling me is at 3.13.3 but anyway it prevents the scanner from working. I believe you can simply run the hp-plugin utility to clear this up. Great - thanks Ed, that fixed it. -- Ian Chapman. --

Can I remove plymouth?

2013-07-13 Thread Beartooth
I used to remove rhgb, in order to be able to watch the boot messages; but this new thing seems to handle other tasks in addition to hiding those messages. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.or

Re: Can I remove plymouth?

2013-07-13 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 13:43:37 +, Beartooth wrote: I used to remove rhgb, in order to be able to watch the boot messages; but this new thing seems to handle other tasks in addition to hiding those messages. You can modify the boot parameters in order to see the boot messages

Re: Can I remove plymouth?

2013-07-13 Thread Frank Murphy
On Sat, 13 Jul 2013 13:43:37 + (UTC) Beartooth wrote: > > I used to remove rhgb, in order to be able to watch the > boot messages; but this new thing seems to handle other tasks in > addition to hiding those messages. > > Just remove rhgb as you used to do. Also remove "quiet" if pr

Re: questions on package management

2013-07-13 Thread lee
"Eddie G. O'Connor Jr." writes: > On 07/12/2013 09:11 PM, lee wrote: >> Another question: It is possible to have version 1 and version 2 of >> package A installed at the same time, like version 1 from Fedora 17 and >> version 2 from Fedora 18. Imagine this package A provides a file >> '/bin/ls'.

Re: what has 'yum update' done?

2013-07-13 Thread lee
"Eddie G. O'Connor Jr." writes: > ALL!).And now for.."fedup-cli --network 19"...and I'll keep my > fingers crossedbut what's the time frame?like an > hour?2?...2+1/2? About an hour or two --- it depends on how fast you can download packages and on how fast your computer c

Re: Why should one upgrade Fedora whenever a new version is released?

2013-07-13 Thread lee
Paul Smith writes: > Dear All, > > Why should one upgrade Fedora whenever a new version is released? What > are the main reasons? Besides all the reasons already mentioned: It can be much more manageable to adjust one or two things when upgrading from one release to the next than it may be havin

Re: Correct permission for home directory

2013-07-13 Thread lee
Paul Smith writes: > chmod 755 /home > > But what about > > /home/psmith It depends on what you want. There is some tradition that home directories are readable for everyone and writable for their owners only. It may be a good idea to make them readable for their owners only --- or a bad idea

Re: what has 'yum update' done?

2013-07-13 Thread lee
Matthew Miller writes: > On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 09:57:04PM +0200, lee wrote: >> The upgrade from 17 to 18 silently broke apache because the >> configuration had changed. That is something that shouldn't happen, the >> devs know when there are changes like that and make sure the users are >> inf

Re: Schr?dinger?s Cat

2013-07-13 Thread lee
Klaus-Peter Schrage writes: > Is there any way to tell grub2 to display this somewhat nicer in the > menu, like in /etc/fedora-release: Schrödinger’s Cat. Like "Schroedingers Cat"? ;) There's something about fonts in grub.cfg: , | [...] | if [ x$feature_default_font_path = xy ] ; then |

Re: questions on package management

2013-07-13 Thread lee
Kevin Fenzi writes: > On Sat, 13 Jul 2013 03:11:20 +0200 > lee wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> imagine you have the following: >> >> >> package A, depends on C, installed >> package B, depends on C, not installed >> package C, installed >> >> >> All the packages are version 1. After a while, you ins

Re: Schr?dinger?s Cat

2013-07-13 Thread Fred Smith
On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 04:39:32PM +0200, lee wrote: > Klaus-Peter Schrage writes: > > > Is there any way to tell grub2 to display this somewhat nicer in the > > menu, like in /etc/fedora-release: Schrödinger’s Cat. > > Like "Schroedingers Cat"? ;) > > There's something about fonts in grub.cfg:

Re: Schr?dinger?s Cat

2013-07-13 Thread Steven Stern
On 07/13/2013 07:49 AM, Klaus-Peter Schrage wrote: > Is there any way to tell grub2 to display this somewhat nicer in the > menu, like in /etc/fedora-release: Schrödinger’s Cat. > > Thanks I also find this annonying. Apparently the default font isn't unicode, but the OS name is coded that way.

Re: Schr?dinger?s Cat

2013-07-13 Thread Tom Horsley
On Sat, 13 Jul 2013 10:20:49 -0500 Steven Stern wrote: > I also find this annonying. Apparently the default font isn't unicode, > but the OS name is coded that way. Just show how successful unicode support has been after all these decades :-). -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: F19 nouveau corrupted graphics

2013-07-13 Thread Jon Dufresne
> > You could install the NVIDIA drivers instead of using nouveau. They're > are at least ten times faster, so it makes sense anyway. > I think I'll give this a try. Originally I wanted to use the free drivers, but if they will not work this seems like the most practical solution. -- users maili

Re: [OT] Seth Vidal, creator of "yum" killed in bike accident

2013-07-13 Thread jmaclean
On 10/07/13 07:05, Dick Roark wrote: R ​ est in peace, Seth. ​ May he Rest In Peace and condolences for his family. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fe

Re: what has 'yum update' done?

2013-07-13 Thread Matthew Miller
On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 03:34:18PM +0200, lee wrote: > The package management tools in Debian send you emails about changes > like that, even about very little changes, when packages are being > replaced by more recent versions. Maybe this could be done in Fedora as > well? You could try using yu

Re: Why should one upgrade Fedora whenever a new version is released?

2013-07-13 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Sat, 13 Jul 2013, lee wrote: Besides all the reasons already mentioned: It can be much more manageable to adjust one or two things when upgrading from one release to the next than it may be having to suddenly adjust five or ten after skipping some releases. What are the main reasons not to u

Re: what has 'yum update' done?

2013-07-13 Thread Matthew Miller
On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 05:57:57PM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: > what he menat was showing the difference between > present and new config file before updates and the > option to merge them - not that the merge is useful > in many cases but *that* is was Debian offers Oh, I see. There used to be

gnome-shell issue when ThinkPad T60 connected to dock with extra monitor

2013-07-13 Thread Dave Johansen
I posted about this issue on the devel list and it was recommended that I try here. That conversation can be found at: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2013-July/185305.html Here's a description of the issue: I have a ThinkPad T60 that I recently upgraded to Fedora 19 from CentOS 6

Re: Can I remove plymouth?

2013-07-13 Thread Digimer
On 13/07/13 09:43, Beartooth wrote: I used to remove rhgb, in order to be able to watch the boot messages; but this new thing seems to handle other tasks in addition to hiding those messages. Hi, you should be able to set the default to show the boot messages with; sudo plymouth-set-d

Re: Schr?dinger?s Cat

2013-07-13 Thread Doug
On 07/13/2013 10:39 AM, lee wrote: > Klaus-Peter Schrage writes: > >> Is there any way to tell grub2 to display this somewhat nicer in the >> menu, like in /etc/fedora-release: Schrödinger’s Cat. > > Like "Schroedingers Cat"? ;) > > There's something about fonts in grub.cfg: > /snip/ Schröding

Re: questions on package management

2013-07-13 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Sat, 13 Jul 2013 16:27:52 +0200 lee wrote: > Assuming that package A doesn't work with the more recent version of > package C? Right, that was my assumption. If it does, then it would just update them all. ...snip... > Yes, this situation was the result of an upgrade that didn't finish. >

Re: Schr?dinger?s Cat

2013-07-13 Thread Mark LaPierre
On 07/13/2013 02:13 PM, Doug wrote: On 07/13/2013 10:39 AM, lee wrote: Klaus-Peter Schrage writes: Is there any way to tell grub2 to display this somewhat nicer in the menu, like in /etc/fedora-release: Schrödinger’s Cat. Like "Schroedingers Cat"? ;) There's something about fonts in grub.c

Re: Schr?dinger?s Cat

2013-07-13 Thread Frank Murphy
On Sat, 13 Jul 2013 10:20:49 -0500 Steven Stern wrote: > On 07/13/2013 07:49 AM, Klaus-Peter Schrage wrote: > > Is there any way to tell grub2 to display this somewhat nicer in > > the menu, like in /etc/fedora-release: Schrödinger’s Cat. > > > > Thanks > > I also find this annonying. Appare

Re: what has 'yum update' done?

2013-07-13 Thread Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.
On 07/13/2013 09:44 AM, lee wrote: "Eddie G. O'Connor Jr." writes: ALL!).And now for.."fedup-cli --network 19"...and I'll keep my fingers crossedbut what's the time frame?like an hour?2?...2+1/2? About an hour or two --- it depends on how fast you can download packages

Re: questions on package management

2013-07-13 Thread Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.
On 07/13/2013 10:07 AM, lee wrote: "Eddie G. O'Connor Jr." writes: On 07/12/2013 09:11 PM, lee wrote: Another question: It is possible to have version 1 and version 2 of package A installed at the same time, like version 1 from Fedora 17 and version 2 from Fedora 18. Imagine this package A p

Re: Why should one upgrade Fedora whenever a new version is released?

2013-07-13 Thread Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.
On 07/13/2013 11:57 AM, Michael Hennebry wrote: On Sat, 13 Jul 2013, lee wrote: Besides all the reasons already mentioned: It can be much more manageable to adjust one or two things when upgrading from one release to the next than it may be having to suddenly adjust five or ten after skipping s

Re: Correct permission for home directory

2013-07-13 Thread Paul Smith
On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 3:47 PM, lee wrote: >> chmod 755 /home >> >> But what about >> >> /home/psmith > > It depends on what you want. There is some tradition that home > directories are readable for everyone and writable for their owners > only. It may be a good idea to make them readable for

Re: Schr?dinger?s Cat

2013-07-13 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 11:39 AM, lee wrote: > There's something about fonts in grub.cfg: When do we get rid of grub and grub2 and design a BM4H? (Boot Manager for Humans) FC -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedorap

Re: Schr?dinger?s Cat

2013-07-13 Thread Steven Stern
On 07/13/2013 02:05 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote: > On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 11:39 AM, lee wrote: >> There's something about fonts in grub.cfg: > > When do we get rid of grub and grub2 and design a BM4H? > (Boot Manager for Humans) > > FC > I added this to the kernel line in grub.conf and it made t

Re: Schr?dinger?s Cat

2013-07-13 Thread Edward Martinez
On 7/13/2013 12:05 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote: When do we get rid of grub and grub2 and design a BM4H? (Boot Manager for Humans) Once the fundamental Transhumanism technologies are fully operational. -- An investment in knowledge always pays the best interest. -Benjamin Franklin -- u

Long time to report a crash

2013-07-13 Thread Jonathan Ryshpan
I have just reported a crash in Libre Office. The system took about an hour for it. Is this normal. I don't remember submitting crash reports taking so long. The bulk of the time was spent in "Generating backtrace", though "Initializing virtual root" also took a fair while. Here's the log:

application launcher

2013-07-13 Thread Patrick Dupre
Hello, I tried to create an application launcher but I cannot find the clue in fedora 19! Right click does not offer such an option. alacarte either. firppery (add panel favorite), in theory yes, but not in pratice. Seceral frippery applications do not work like SystemMonitor Thank for any help.

Re: what has 'yum update' done?

2013-07-13 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 13.07.2013 17:50, schrieb Matthew Miller: > On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 03:34:18PM +0200, lee wrote: >> The package management tools in Debian send you emails about changes >> like that, even about very little changes, when packages are being >> replaced by more recent versions. Maybe this could

Re: Disabling ipv6

2013-07-13 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 12.07.2013 16:04, schrieb Chris Adams: > Once upon a time, Tim said: >> How is your firewall set up? When you allow something for IPv4, does it >> make a corresponding rule for IPv6, at the same time. Likewise, for if >> you block something. And I mean that in two ways, dealing with ports,

Re: Proposal: Fedora should install with IPv6 disabled by default [was: Re: Disabling ipv6]

2013-07-13 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 12.07.2013 17:49, schrieb Fernando Lozano: > [As I changed the subject, let me clear: IPv6 still compiled in the kernel. > Just the network interfaces configs > that should come with IPv6 disabled by default, if the user wants it should > be easy to enable] exactly *that* is my point it is

Re: Proposal: Fedora should install with IPv4/6 disabled by default [was: Re: Disabling ipv6]

2013-07-13 Thread Reindl Harald
this is childish there is a difference between well aware ipv4 and all sorts of firewalls and proctections configured or startup in a network with ipv6 enabled without knowing it or not configured at all coming up with a "link-local" address inside a network which is *pure ipv4* on a server means

Re: Disabling ipv6

2013-07-13 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 12.07.2013 18:44, schrieb Fernando Lozano: >> [As I changed the subject, let me clear: IPv6 still compiled in the kernel. >> Just the network interfaces configs >> that should come with IPv6 disabled by default, if the user wants it should >> be easy to enable] >> exactly *that* is my point

Re: Why should one upgrade Fedora whenever a new version is released?

2013-07-13 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 12.07.2013 21:45, schrieb Paul Smith: > Why should one upgrade Fedora whenever a new version is released? What > are the main reasons? because after F19 is released a month later F17 is EOL and get no security updates and no support and the same for F19 after F20 is released if you do not wa

Re: Disabling ipv6

2013-07-13 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 12.07.2013 19:41, schrieb Fernando Lozano: >> hence it would be enough if "ifup" would respect the configuration >> i can not see "just having IPv6 enabled means there is an IPv6 address" >> below - where is there ipv6 enabled? there is even a "IPV6INIT=no" > I have overlooked that. I'm not a

Re: Proposal: Fedora should install with IPv6 disabled by default [was: Re: Disabling ipv6]

2013-07-13 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 12.07.2013 20:24, schrieb David G.Miller: > Fernando Lozano lozano.eti.br> writes: >>> [As I changed the subject, let me clear: IPv6 still compiled in the > kernel. Just the network interfaces configs > > > Perhaps Fedora is the wrong distribution for you. > > The whole idea behind Fedor

Re: Computer blocked because of error smpboot CPU2: Not responding

2013-07-13 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 12.07.2013 19:49, schrieb Paul Smith: > I am experiencing the following problem while booting Fedora 19: > > smpboot: CPU2: Not responding. > > The computer seems to be blocked. Is there some way of rebooting it > without having to power off the computer? https://www.kernel.org/doc/Document

Re: Computer blocked because of error smpboot CPU2: Not responding

2013-07-13 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 12.07.2013 22:00, schrieb Paul Smith: > On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 8:54 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: >>> I am experiencing the following problem while booting Fedora 19: >>> >>> smpboot: CPU2: Not responding. >>> >>> The computer seems to be blocked. Is there some way of rebooting it >>> without hav

Re: Disabling ipv6

2013-07-13 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 12.07.2013 22:17, schrieb d...@davenjudy.org: >> >> >> Am 12.07.2013 20:24, schrieb David G.Miller: >>> Fernando Lozano lozano.eti.br> writes: > [As I changed the subject, let me clear: IPv6 still compiled in the >>> kernel. Just the network interfaces configs >>> >>> >>> Perhaps Fedora

Re: Proposal: Fedora should install with IPv6 disabled by default [was: Re: Disabling ipv6]

2013-07-13 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 12.07.2013 23:33, schrieb Joe Zeff: > On 07/12/2013 02:17 PM, Fernando Lozano wrote: >> 1. Users should be able to disable IPv6. Today they can't and this is a >> bug that hopefully will be solved soon. I think no one ever intended >> IPv6 to be mandatory. ;-) > > Actually, they can, but they

Re: Disabling ipv6

2013-07-13 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 13.07.2013 00:01, schrieb Joe Zeff: > On 07/12/2013 02:40 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: >> so please read this and if possible please tell me the >> magic where NM writes whatever in a unknown config file >> to get rid of the ipv6-link-local address >> >> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id

Re: Proposal: Fedora should install with IPv6 disabled by default [was: Re: Disabling ipv6]

2013-07-13 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 13.07.2013 01:18, schrieb poma: >> Unfortunately those module options are currently not being honored (bug >> already opened). Changing those defaults (specifically, disabled=1 being >> the new default) would be a way to implement what I propose. But I guess >> it would not be easy for Network

Re: Disabling ipv6

2013-07-13 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 13.07.2013 02:34, schrieb David Beveridge: > On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 8:55 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: >> and the answer comes back to exactly this port >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stateful_firewall >> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UDP_hole_punching > "On some routers where port randomizati

Re: Disabling ipv6

2013-07-13 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 13.07.2013 00:45, schrieb David Beveridge: > On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 4:43 AM, Joe Zeff wrote: >> >> Can you give a practical example, please. I've no reason to disbelieve you, >> but I've also never run across such a case and would like to see one. >> > This kind of depends on what iptables o

Re: what has 'yum update' done?

2013-07-13 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 12.07.2013 21:57, schrieb lee: > The upgrade from 17 to 18 silently broke apache because the > configuration had changed. That is something that shouldn't happen, the > devs know when there are changes like that and make sure the users are > informed accordingly. don't get me wrong but if you

Re: Proposal: Fedora should install with IPv6 disabled by default [was: Re: Disabling ipv6]

2013-07-13 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 13.07.2013 13:07, schrieb David Beveridge: > On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 1:25 PM, Fernando Lozano > wrote: >> >> If people on the users list don't agree with me, there's no point >> submiting to developers. >> > Well I for one certainly don't agree with you. > If you disable it everywhere it's t

Re: Yum dependency problem

2013-07-13 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 13.07.2013 13:55, schrieb Timothy Murphy: > I'm getting a yum dependency problem when running "yum update" > and I'm not sure how to solve it. > I'd be very grateful for advice. > > Some exerpts from the error messages are: > --- > Error: Package: perl-core-5.10.1-

Re: Can I remove plymouth?

2013-07-13 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 13.07.2013 15:47, schrieb Bruno Wolff III: > On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 13:43:37 +, > Beartooth wrote: >> >> I used to remove rhgb, in order to be able to watch the boot >> messages; but this new thing seems to handle other tasks in addition to >> hiding those messages. > > You can modify t

Re: Schr?dinger?s Cat

2013-07-13 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 13.07.2013 14:49, schrieb Klaus-Peter Schrage: > Is there any way to tell grub2 to display this somewhat nicer in the menu, > like in /etc/fedora-release: > Schrödinger’s Cat that's a known problem and the result of careless choosen release-names with special chars signature.asc Descripti

Re: [OT] Seth Vidal, creator of "yum" killed in bike accident

2013-07-13 Thread Richard Vickery
On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 4:58 PM, Isaac Cortés González wrote: > I support the idea, it should be done at least something like when > Verne was released and Dennis Ritchie, not only the Fedora Community > has lost a great developer; but also CentOS and RHEL. > > -Isaac C. > > > 2013/7/11 Ra

Re: Fedup 17->18 won't boot, all partitions are GPT

2013-07-13 Thread Richard Vickery
On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 8:39 AM, Rick Walker wrote: > > Hi Ian, > >> > I did a fedup from F17 to F18 on my work desktop. Now I get an >> > infinite boot loop. Fdisk can't look at the partition table of >> > /dev/sda because it has been coverted to GPT format (who did that?). > > Ian Chapman wri

Re: Fedup 17->18 won't boot, all partitions are GPT

2013-07-13 Thread Richard Vickery
On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 7:20 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > > Hi, > > I did a fedup from F17 to F18 on my work desktop. Now I get an infinite > boot loop. Fdisk can't look at the partition table of /dev/sda because > it has been coverted to GPT format (who did that?). > > As near as I can tell, the bo

Re: what has 'yum update' done?

2013-07-13 Thread Richard Vickery
On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 9:10 AM, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote: > On 07/12/2013 03:19 AM, Joe Zeff wrote: >> >> On 07/11/2013 11:38 PM, Heinz Diehl wrote: >>> >>> Only speaking for myself: I always try to upgrade first, having a >>> complete backup, of course. If it doesn't work, I reinstall. There'

Re: How to remove nouveau driver without using rpmfusion ?

2013-07-13 Thread Richard Vickery
On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 7:41 PM, John Wendel wrote: > Can someone please post the incantation necessary to remove the nouveau > driver in Fedora 19. I'd really like to install the driver directly from > Nvidia, instead of from rpmfusion. > > Thanks > > John Wendel > -- You might want to go to the

Re: what has 'yum update' done?

2013-07-13 Thread lee
Reindl Harald writes: > Am 12.07.2013 21:57, schrieb lee: >> The upgrade from 17 to 18 silently broke apache because the >> configuration had changed. That is something that shouldn't happen, the >> devs know when there are changes like that and make sure the users are >> informed accordingly. >

Re: Schr?dinger?s Cat

2013-07-13 Thread Digimer
On 13/07/13 09:31, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 13.07.2013 14:49, schrieb Klaus-Peter Schrage: Is there any way to tell grub2 to display this somewhat nicer in the menu, like in /etc/fedora-release: Schrödinger’s Cat that's a known problem and the result of careless choosen release-names with sp

Re: Proposal: Fedora should install with IPv4/6 disabled by default [was: Re: Disabling ipv6]

2013-07-13 Thread David Beveridge
On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 2:36 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: > this is childish > > there is a difference between well aware ipv4 and > all sorts of firewalls and proctections configured > or startup in a network with ipv6 enabled without > knowing it or not configured at all > > coming up with a "link-l

Re: what has 'yum update' done?

2013-07-13 Thread Matthew Miller
On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 10:59:23PM +0200, lee wrote: > > don't get me wrong but if you hvae manually configured services > > especially a webserver it's your job to look *before* you upgrade > > if there is a major change and prepare your manual configuration > > for it - untouched configuration is

Fedora 19 bugfix causing plymouth black screen (ctrl+alt+F2 won’t work)

2013-07-13 Thread Powell, Michael
The machine details: - Dell XPS 17 (L702X) BIOS A19 - Intel Core i7-2720QM (2.2GHZ) - Intel Sandybridge - Nvidia GeForce GT 555M >From a complete fresh install of F19, I’m seeing 214 updates. The updates >break down into 8 security, 80 bugfix, 22 enhanceme

Re: Proposal: Fedora should install with IPv4/6 disabled by default [was: Re: Disabling ipv6]

2013-07-13 Thread Richard Sewill
The question, should IPv6, be disabled by default, is asked of people of the user list. At the moment, I am on the fence. Is there a compromise where, during the Fedora install, when the person is asked for some network information and asked for time zone and root password, can the question be po

Re: Proposal: Fedora should install with IPv6 disabled by default [was: Re: Disabling ipv6]

2013-07-13 Thread Richard Sewill
On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 6:15 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: > > > Am 13.07.2013 13:07, schrieb David Beveridge: > > On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 1:25 PM, Fernando Lozano > wrote: > >> > >> If people on the users list don't agree with me, there's no point > >> submiting to developers. > >> > > Well I for one

Re: Fedora 19 bugfix causing plymouth black screen (ctrl+alt+F2 won’t work)

2013-07-13 Thread Ed Greshko
On 07/14/13 06:46, Powell, Michael wrote: > Is there some way I can have yum update based on a timestamp or display a > timestamp on when these updates were posted to help me narrow the field? /var/log/yum.log has date/time updates were applied -- The only thing worse than a poorly asked questi

RE: Fedora 19 bugfix causing plymouth black screen (ctrl+alt+F2 won’t work)

2013-07-13 Thread Powell, Michael
Greshko, Ed wrote:> > /var/log/yum.log has date/time updates were applied Thanks, Ed. Unfortunately I don't need a timestamp of when the updates were applied to the machine, but instead, I need a timestamp of when those updates were posted to the yum server. My thought is that since I know 191

Re: Schr?dinger?s Cat

2013-07-13 Thread Roger
On 07/14/2013 05:17 AM, Edward Martinez wrote: On 7/13/2013 12:05 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote: When do we get rid of grub and grub2 and design a BM4H? (Boot Manager for Humans) Once the fundamental Transhumanism technologies are fully operational. That's the best answer I've seen in

Re: Proposal: Fedora should install with IPv4/6 disabled by default [was: Re: Disabling ipv6]

2013-07-13 Thread Joe Zeff
On 07/12/2013 09:36 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: coming up with a "link-local" address inside a network which is*pure ipv4* on a server means *any* random device which does the same may bypass all your firewall rule ssince iptables and ip6tables are two different services It might be a good idea,

Re: Fedora 19 bugfix causing plymouth black screen (ctrl+alt+F2 won’t work)

2013-07-13 Thread Ed Greshko
On 07/14/13 07:30, Powell, Michael wrote: > Greshko, Ed wrote:> >> /var/log/yum.log has date/time updates were applied > Thanks, Ed. Unfortunately I don't need a timestamp of when the updates were > applied to the machine, but instead, I need a timestamp of when those updates > were posted to th

Re: [OT] Seth Vidal, creator of "yum" killed in bike accident

2013-07-13 Thread Ranjan Maitra
On Thu, 11 Jul 2013 18:16:40 -0700 Richard Vickery wrote: > On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 4:58 PM, Isaac Cortés González > wrote: > > I support the idea, it should be done at least something like when > > Verne was released and Dennis Ritchie, not only the Fedora Community > > has lost a great develop

Re: Why should one upgrade Fedora whenever a new version is released?

2013-07-13 Thread Ranjan Maitra
On Fri, 12 Jul 2013 21:48:40 +0200 Reindl Harald wrote: > > > Am 12.07.2013 21:45, schrieb Paul Smith: > > Why should one upgrade Fedora whenever a new version is released? What > > are the main reasons? > > because after F19 is released a month later F17 is EOL and > get no security updates a

Where does gnome-abrt report its crashes to?

2013-07-13 Thread Jonathan Ryshpan
I recently submitted a crash report using the gnome-abrt application/applet and would like to file a comment to it. Which bugzilla did gnome-abrt submit it to? I had assumed that the gnome-abrt user interface would tell me, or I would get an email from the bugzilla; but neither has happened. Tha

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