On Thu, 29 Mar 2018 11:49:28 -0400
Todd Zullinger wrote:
> > Would this change be why I'm suddenly seeing oodles of old messages
> > showing up on the list? Messages that I've already seen, since I
> > don't have a problem with messages from yahoo addresses being
> > invisible.
>
> This shou
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On Thu, 29 Mar 2018 11:49:28 -0400
Todd Zullinger wrote:
> This shouldn't be related to that. All it does is change
> the From: field of messages sent from domains with very
> strict DMARC policies, so that they use the list address.
> The sender name is kept, with 'via $list_name' appended.
Th
stan wrote:
> On Tue, 27 Mar 2018 17:27:40 -0400
> Todd Zullinger wrote:
>> As we've discussed in this thread and others recently,
>> messages from subscribers @yahoo.com do not reach
>> subscribers @gmail.com (among others). This is due to an
>> aggressive policy set by Yahoo which breaks mail s
On Tue, 27 Mar 2018 17:27:40 -0400
Todd Zullinger wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> As we've discussed in this thread and others recently,
> messages from subscribers @yahoo.com do not reach
> subscribers @gmail.com (among others). This is due to an
> aggressive policy set by Yahoo which breaks mail sent vi
On Thu, 2018-03-29 at 08:10 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
> On 03/29/18 08:01, Stephen Perkins wrote:
> > On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 7:36 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan
> > wrote:
> > > As I understand it, the problem is not that Gmail marks it as spam
> > > (which you could recover from your spam folder) but th
On 03/29/18 08:01, Stephen Perkins wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 7:36 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan
> wrote:
>> As I understand it, the problem is not that Gmail marks it as spam
>> (which you could recover from your spam folder) but that it simply
>> drops the message completely because of the DMARC
On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 7:36 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan
wrote:
> As I understand it, the problem is not that Gmail marks it as spam
> (which you could recover from your spam folder) but that it simply
> drops the message completely because of the DMARC indicator.
>
> poc
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On Wed, 2018-03-28 at 16:27 -0400, None via users wrote:
>
>
> Sent from ProtonMail, encrypted email based in Switzerland.
>
> ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
>
> On March 28, 2018 3:15 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 2018-03-28 at 16:46 +, home user via users wrot
Sent from ProtonMail, encrypted email based in Switzerland.
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On March 28, 2018 3:15 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
>
>
> On Wed, 2018-03-28 at 16:46 +, home user via users wrote:
>
> > (Patrick; 3/27 3:58pm)
> >
> > > Perhaps one or two yahoo.com u
On Wed, 2018-03-28 at 16:46 +, home user via users wrote:
> (Patrick; 3/27 3:58pm)
> > Perhaps one or two yahoo.com users could post here just to check it's
> > working
> > and we gmail.com users can see their messages.
>
> This post should qualify as one test.
Yes, that's working.
poc
On Wed, 2018-03-28 at 12:38 -0400, Todd Zullinger wrote:
> Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > The front page for the month of March shows the most recent 10 messages
> > with a lot of white space. Compare the Evolution (old-style) list
> > archive:
> >
> > https://mail.gnome.org/archives/evolution-lis
On 03/28/2018 10:12 AM, Todd Zullinger wrote:
> home user via users wrote:
>> This post should qualify as one test.
>
> Indeed. The from is munged to:
>
> From: home user via users
>
> Unless we find some nasty gotcha that isn't obvious, I think
> the settings change is a win. If it works
home user via users wrote:
> This post should qualify as one test.
Indeed. The from is munged to:
From: home user via users
Unless we find some nasty gotcha that isn't obvious, I think
the settings change is a win. If it works here, it might be
worth setting as the default for other fedor
(replying to several posts, including some in the two sub-threads)
(Kevin; 3/27 1:03pm (mountain time?))
> Did you check your spam folder in case it ended up in there?
I did, after seeing your question. The messages were there. Thank-you.
(Ed; 3/27 3:53pm (mountain time?))
> I have replied here
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> The front page for the month of March shows the most recent 10 messages
> with a lot of white space. Compare the Evolution (old-style) list
> archive:
>
> https://mail.gnome.org/archives/evolution-list/2017-March/thread.html
>
> I know which is more useful to me. For
On Wed, 2018-03-28 at 11:43 -0400, Todd Zullinger wrote:
> Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > > As a strictly email client user I hope fewer people will use the
> > > HyperKitty interface
> > > with these mis-features. :-)
> >
> > It's feature creep. The unwarranted desire to turn a simple archive
>
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
>> As a strictly email client user I hope fewer people will use the HyperKitty
>> interface
>> with these mis-features. :-)
>
> It's feature creep. The unwarranted desire to turn a simple archive
> page into a full-featured web forum interface, which AFAIK nobody asked
On Wed, 2018-03-28 at 06:44 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
> On 03/28/18 06:09, Todd Zullinger wrote:
> > I am pretty sure that Hyperkitty simply doesn't include any
> > "attribution" on its own. The "... wrote" being quoted is
> > exactly what Kevin's mail client included. It's no less
> > confusing,
First, thanks for replying. It shows the list changes in
action. At least it appears to work as intended. :)
Tim via users wrote:
> Allegedly, on or about 27 March 2018, Todd Zullinger sent:
>> All that said, the best solution would be to stop using
>> @yahoo.com as a mail provider -- at least f
Allegedly, on or about 27 March 2018, Todd Zullinger sent:
> All that said, the best solution would be to stop using
> @yahoo.com as a mail provider -- at least for mailing lists.
> They have repeatedly caused grief to the folks that manage
> the Fedora Project mail systems.
And that'll only work
I wrote:
> That might be sped up if someone reading is interested in
> filing a bug upstream and perhaps even providing a patch to
> hyperkitty. Someone from the infrastructure team may
> eventually be able to do just that, but I know they have
> many, many items on their list of tasks. :)
>
>
On 03/28/18 06:09, Todd Zullinger wrote:
> I am pretty sure that Hyperkitty simply doesn't include any
> "attribution" on its own. The "... wrote" being quoted is
> exactly what Kevin's mail client included. It's no less
> confusing, but it's not as much a bug as a mis-feature.
OK. I believe
On Tue, 2018-03-27 at 18:25 -0400, Todd Zullinger wrote:
> > That seems to be a sensible change. Perhaps one or two yahoo.com users
> > could post here just to check it's working and we gmail.com users can
> > see their messages.
> >
> > Of course as long as nothing appears we'll have to keep chec
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Tue, 2018-03-27 at 17:27 -0400, Todd Zullinger wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> As we've discussed in this thread and others recently,
>> messages from subscribers @yahoo.com do not reach
>> subscribers @gmail.com (among others). This is due to an
>> aggressive policy set b
Ed Greshko wrote:
>> On 03/27/2018 12:03 PM, home user wrote:
>>
>> It doesn't matter either way.
>>
>> If you have a yahoo.com address and send from your email client via
>> yahoo's email servers, it still goes to fedoraprojects lists server and
>> sends out from there. If you sent from hyperkit
On Tue, 2018-03-27 at 17:27 -0400, Todd Zullinger wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> As we've discussed in this thread and others recently,
> messages from subscribers @yahoo.com do not reach
> subscribers @gmail.com (among others). This is due to an
> aggressive policy set by Yahoo which breaks mail sent via
> On 03/27/2018 12:03 PM, home user wrote:
>
> It doesn't matter either way.
>
> If you have a yahoo.com address and send from your email client via
> yahoo's email servers, it still goes to fedoraprojects lists server and
> sends out from there. If you sent from hyperkitty it sends directly out
Hi all,
As we've discussed in this thread and others recently,
messages from subscribers @yahoo.com do not reach
subscribers @gmail.com (among others). This is due to an
aggressive policy set by Yahoo which breaks mail sent via
the mailing list.
The mitigation enabled should change the From: add
I wrote:
> I am not familiar enough with DMARC and Mailman3 to know
> whether there are any work-arounds available for this issue
> or not. There aren't any great solutions to it, in any
> case.
A little further reading tells me that Mailman supports a
few possible work-arounds¹. I've mentioned
Hi Bill,
home user wrote:
> Some of you have neat sayings beneath your signature. A
> good one in this thread is "Conjecture is just a
> conclusion based on incomplete information. It isn't a
> fact.".
>
> I'm seeing comments implying that messages from
> yahoo-based member accounts are not reac
On 28/3/18 6:34 am, home user wrote:
Some of you have neat sayings beneath your signature. A good one in this thread is
"Conjecture is just a conclusion based on incomplete information. It isn't a
fact.".
I'm seeing comments implying that messages from yahoo-based member accounts are
not rea
Some of you have neat sayings beneath your signature. A good one in this
thread is "Conjecture is just a conclusion based on incomplete information. It
isn't a fact.".
I'm seeing comments implying that messages from yahoo-based member accounts are
not reaching members with gmail-based member a
On 03/27/2018 12:03 PM, home user wrote:
>> On 03/27/18 07:09, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
>> I did not get it either and my domain's email is handled by gmail. I'm
>> pretty sure I
>> saw where "Home User" (a.k.a. Bill) is a yahoo user.
>
> Yes, I am a yahoo user. If it makes a difference, I use
> On 03/27/18 07:09, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> I did not get it either and my domain's email is handled by gmail. I'm
> pretty sure I
> saw where "Home User" (a.k.a. Bill) is a yahoo user.
Yes, I am a yahoo user. If it makes a difference, I used HYPERKITTY, not an
e-mail client and not yahoo
On Tue, 2018-03-27 at 00:24 +, Ed Greshko wrote:
> > On Mon, 2018-03-26 at 22:34 +, chicago wrote:
> >
> > I didn't get the post to which the above is a reply. I can see it in
> > the list archive so perhaps it was sent from a Yahoo account, in which
> > case there is a good chance that Gm
>> I didn't get the post to which the above is a reply.
It is just my luck that I'm very good at proving myself wrong. Had I not quoted
anything (like I initially proposed), people would see just a lone "Thank you,
Bill" with no context.
I learned something new. Thanks, hyper kitty :p
Sincere
> On Mon, 2018-03-26 at 22:34 +, chicago wrote:
>
> I didn't get the post to which the above is a reply. I can see it in
> the list archive so perhaps it was sent from a Yahoo account, in which
> case there is a good chance that Gmail just threw it away, but there
> doesn't appear to be a way
On 03/27/18 07:09, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Mon, 2018-03-26 at 22:34 +, chicago wrote:
>>> I agree. I submitted fedora-infrastructure issue #6802 "HYPERKITTY
>>> does not show what posting text is being addressed in a reply." to
>>> address this. It can be viewed here:
>>> "https://pag
On Mon, 2018-03-26 at 22:34 +, chicago wrote:
> > I agree. I submitted fedora-infrastructure issue #6802 "HYPERKITTY
> > does not show what posting text is being addressed in a reply." to
> > address this. It can be viewed here:
> > "https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/issue/6802";.
>
>
>I agree. I submitted fedora-infrastructure issue #6802 "HYPERKITTY
>does not show what posting text is being addressed in a reply." to
>address this. It can be viewed here:
>"https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/issue/6802";.
Thank you, Bill!
Sincerely,
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