Hi Richmond,
Richmond Mathewson-2 wrote
>
> I have repeatedly raised the possibility of either a feature-reduced
> version of Livecode or a re-release of an earlier version of Livecode
> (say 2.0) at an extremely cheap rate if not free.
>
> This has been ignored.
>
> Free RevMedia, as we are
Hi dunbarx,
dunbarx wrote
>
> [snip]
> Why not import a nice map or two as a jpeg, and place
> transparent buttons over key locations?
>
> The game could then take many forms, where clicking on
> a country or city could answer a question posed, and
> a correct answer (or not) would be registere
Richmond, in this mail list, you and Nicolas Cueto
are English teachers.
If you want to test the premise that learning
LiveCode could help you students in their
process of learning the english language,
What kind of specific tasks would you
assign to them, to prove or disprove
this hypothesis? :-)
Hi Richard,
Richard Gaskin wrote
>
> I believe ReMasterSys is available in the Ubuntu Software Center, and if
> there's sufficient interest anyone can use it to make a LiveCode-centric
> distro at any time.
>
Andre Garzia published a distro with RevMedia for Linux included.
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Hi Richmond,
Richmond Mathewson-2 wrote
>
> On 06/12/2012 11:31 PM, Alejandro Tejada wrote:
>> Richmond, in this mail list, you and Nicolas Cueto
>> are English teachers.
>>
>> If you want to test the premise that learning
>> LiveCode could help you students
Hi All,
Please visit this webpage that display many
different Transparent PNG images:
http://entropymine.com/jason/testbed/pngtrans/
Download and import these transparent png
into a card that have a natural background pattern
like earth, rocks, grass, leaves, etc... and
post a screenshot of you
Hi All,
Many Thanks to Colin and Richmond for posting
their LiveCode screenshots.
The meaning of this is: Test, for certain, how
Livecode handles PNGs of 4,8,16,24,32 and 64 bits,
with/without transparency.
Richmond, I do not understand why appears the browser's
name and your IP address in your
So, the results are: LiveCode could display 4, 8, 16, 24, 32 and 64
bits PNG with and without transparency.
A future test would be to create a stack to display
these PNG in the screen of mobile platforms...
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Interesting... coincidence. :-D
http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/ancient-aliens
Mike Bonner wrote
>
> I think alien brain and poofy hair are linked genetic traits.
> So the answer is yes. :)
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Hi Richmond,
Richmond Mathewson-2 wrote
>
> [snip]
> However . . . if I am to put in 6-7 hours "tarting up" the mtp.mc stack,
> it would be nice if it could
> then become readily available for anybody who wants it . . .
>
> So, if any of the mages could tell me if I am going to fall foul of an
Hi Jim,
Recently, I posted about my experience teaching a spanish
version of the course MetaTalk Programmer:
http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-livecode/2012-June/173891.html
Could you tell us about your experience teaching
Turtle Graphics in the classroom?
How old were your students?
Did th
Hi Ken,
Look at this website published by Jim Hurley:
http://home.infostations.net/jhurley/
Ken Corey wrote
>
> [snip]
> Why should Mr. Miller and crew implement turtle graphics when it's quite
> possible for an enterprising teacher such as yourself to provide a
> library that does the same t
Hi Francois,
François Chaplais-3 wrote
>
> [snip]
> Now, if you have a miracle solution for drawing Bezier curves in LiveCode,
> I am convinced (based on previous posts) that many (including me) will be
> happy to use it, as it is something that LC *cannot* do easily.
> [snip]
>
Actually, Jim
Hi Bjornke,
Read this same thread in Nabble:
http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Re-ANN-PreOrder-FieldTrip-Features-td4651078.html
I find really funny the contrast between
your smiling photo and your message:
> Ah crap, I wanted to send this offlist :(
:-D
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andro/stacks/Mailbox_browser.zip
http://at.livecodejournal.com/stacks/Mailbox_browser.zip
I am sure that there is a similar stack, published some time ago.
Ken Corey wrote
>
> On 22/06/2012 23:06, Alejandro Tejada wrote:
>> I found really interesting that Jim wrote that learning Turtle Gra
Hi Jim,
Looks like LOGO is alive and kickiing...
I just received this link :-O
http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~bh/logo.html
3 complete books to read!
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Hi Francois,
François Chaplais-3 wrote
>
> Thanks Alejandro. The actual link is
> http://www.jamesphurley.com/RunRev/BezierLine.rev
> I will have a deep look at the stack and how it relates to interpolation.
> Best regards
>
I used these 3 different Bezier drawing handlers in this stack:
http:
Hi Peter,
Peter Haworth wrote
>
> [snip]
> I should clarify that I don't regard this tool as a version control
> system.
> It doesn't have any functions to check versions in/out or any of the
> other
> features of a version control system in a multi-user environment. It's
> simply a way of ide
Hi Richmond,
I forgot to include this link to the MetaTalk Programmer's Teacher Guide:
http://www.canelasoftware.com/mc/metacard24/mtpguide.mc
This Guide stack is really important for teachers.
By the way, How are doing your students in this course?
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Hi All,
Today, Richmond wrote me about a missing stack
in the webspace that Andre Gatzia and Richard Gaskin
provided me in their websites to store my stacks.
Richmond wrote:
>I tried to download some of your files and got this:
>http://www.megaupload.com/?d=TL5QP5WD
Here it is:
http://andregarz
Hi Richmond,
Richmond Mathewson-2 wrote
>
> http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/project/pdfimport
>
Excellent! Now we could edit PDF files inside OpenOffice.
Just notice the caveats and limitations of this plugin.
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Hi Richmond,
When you have to import documents with
editable text and nice formatting, just use:
http://curryk.com/wordlib.html
When you have to import vector graphics with
transparency, just convert them to SVG using
Inkscape and use:
http://revonline2.runrev.com/stack/112/SVGL
When you have to
Hi Richmond,
Richmond Mathewson-2 wrote
>
> [snip]
> So, I tried via exporting a PDF file to EPS, and then . . . .
> I am aware that 'somebody' could write a PDF parser that would convert
> that imported text back into something resembling the PDF where it
> originated; however I, for one, am
Hi Lynn,
I just send you an email
about this same problem.
Did you received it?
Alejandro
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Hi Hugh,
FlexibleLearning-2 wrote
>
> Ever have "one of those days"?
> My apologies with deep embarrassments to the list.
>
In fact, I would be more worried if there is no answers
to this kind of request.
Sometimes I wonder if it is only me, who became
deeply worried when, in this mail list,
Hi Sandy,
tech1-3 wrote
>
> Hi folks, I've posted some images from RunRevLive12. You can reach them
> from here:
> http://www.troutfoot.com/rev/index.html
> What a great time! Good to see everyone, learn stuff, see new habitats.
>
Wonderful! :-)
Many Thanks for sharing these images
of the Con
Hi Bob,
slylabs13 wrote
>
> One could surmise that there are so many knowledgable developers
> busily working on projects that they have not had time to read the
> forum. What would worry me more is if everyone had all the time in
> the world to respond!
>
Could you believe it that when I rea
Hi Roger,
Roger Guay wrote
>
> Thanks, Jacqueline. It works! I just uploaded my
> RadialDialOmatic (153KB) utility stack with no problems.
>
Could you provide a link to download your stack?
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Hi Richard,
Richard Gaskin wrote
>
> [snip]
> The only way LiveCode could become such a de facto standard would be for
> someone to come up with a way that changing its license to FOSS could
> still bring in enough money to be profitable.
>
If my guess are correct, in the future, someone wil
Hi Rod,
Rod McCall wrote
>
> [snip]
> right now we are implementing a car simulator environment
> of which we will use LiveCode as the control console for
> the simulation - at least that is the current plan.
> [snip]
>
Some years ago, Scott Rossi posted a script that uses
the command "send" t
Hi All,
I started with HyperCard in a Mac Plus, then MacIIsi
and later a Power Mac 7500. (I am not counting the
PowerBook with a 68040 procesor)
After I migrated to Windows, I found MetaCard, the
antecesor of Livecode, but... What did you think
it was the most fundamental difference between
MetaC
Hi Chipp,
Watching this close, the methods in which you work in LiveCode
is really inspiring. Thanks for sharing!
Chipp Walters wrote
>
> [snip]
> Be sure to holler if you see anything which doesn't seem correct. :-)
> [snip]
>
Tell me if I am wrong, but when you run the stack in the
iPhone e
Oh Lynn...
With these words, you deflated the argument that I was about
to write:
Lynn Fredricks-2 wrote
>
> For any education to be at its best, you need to have kids coming from
> healthy, intellectually nurturing homes and neighborhoods, and a pipeline
> of
> communication. That's a much mor
Richmmond wrote:
Richmond Mathewson-2 wrote
>
> [snip]
> Certainly in Britain (and here in Bulgaria) the end result of
> years of pseudo-socialist thinking has resulted in a feeling
> that the state must provide: all parents have to do is
> produce children and after that provide food and bed,
Hi Richmmond,
Richmond Mathewson-2 wrote
>
> Mummy and Daddy should NOT provide little Twinkle-toes
> with a computer hooked up to the internet so s/he can
> go blotto on online games and associated crap.
>
That particular phrase brings me memories of this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v
Hi Bob,
I sent a private message to you about your comment.
If you want to contribute to this particular offtopic and
intriging subject, send a private message to me or Bob.
Thanks in advance!
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Richmmond, I had to disagree.
There is no point in releasing
an old version without support.
This could be, even damaging
to company reputation.
Software live or die depending of
the quality of support that their
developers offers.
For example Xara, the Graphic
company, used to sell previous
vers
Ah... Linux.
That version got stalled after developers from that
platform stopped contributing to the development
of that Linux version.
Did you see what happens to a software without
support from their developers...
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Richmmond,
Richmond Mathewson-2 wrote
>
> Personally I don't see this as a vast problem. Although I own later
> versions of RR/LC for Linux,
> for my educational purposes at least (let's not get onto the eternal
> Devawriter) the FREE 2.1.1 for
> Linux has served my purposes 100% for 7 years e
Well, after thinking a while about how
could be distributed a free version of
LiveCode without harming the current
releases, I concluded this:
A free (an limited) version of Livecode could
be distributed as part of a bundle
with a book for teaching elemental
programming techniques.
Support could
Actually the download direction is:
http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/alejandro/stacks/Eps_Import_V05B.zip
Works only with Ilustrator version 7 or minor (v6, v5.5, etc...).
More recent Illustrator versions are actually PDF files.
Notice that to resize the vector graphics you should use
a library like
Hi Andy,
I found in my hard disk a version named Eps_Import_V05C
You could download it from this link:
http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/alejandro/stacks/Eps_Import_V05C.zip
Here is nice tip that could help you, if you need scaling these vector
graphics inside a LiveCode stack.
http://andregarzia.o
Hi All,
Download this new version of EPS Import V05C:
http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/alejandro/stacks/Eps_Import_V05C.zip
Please, read the Help included inside the stack and the text file
named "readmefirst.txt"
Here is nice tip that could help you, if you need scaling these vector
graphics insid
Hi Chipp,
Chipp Walters wrote
>
> Thanks! I really appreciate the work you've
> done with this library over the years.
>
Thanks, I am glad that it's useful. :-D
Hopefully, Ian McPhail will update
his stack SVGL to import gradients
and transparency from SVG
drawings. Only then, it will be
poss
Hi Colin,
Colin Holgate-2 wrote
>
> You may have read my other message about getting graphics
> to be an exact shape, your EPS thing looks like it will solve
> the problem for me, thanks!
>
You are welcome! :-)
Just notice that these EPS are actually files saved as
Adobe Ilustrator 7 or minor
Hi Roger,
Roger Eller wrote
>
> Alejandro also has a few bezier manipulation examples. Just look for
> filenames beginning with 'bezier'. All of this work is very useful to us.
> I wish RunRev would adapt some of this into the drawing tools in the IDE.
> http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/alejandr
Wrong mail list???
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This is good news!
Many thanks for sharing this link
in this mailing list.
Suddenly, mobile computing is
turning upside down the programming
world.
All the big players are fueling this change of paradigm:
Apple (Leaders and Innovators)
Google (The IBM of the Internet)
Microsoft (who is waking up
Hi
Your stack is version 2.7
I tested in RR 2.8 and RevMedia 4
without problems...
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Really Nice! Thanks for sharing. :-)
How could I see results from, for example,
Brasil, Mexico, Argentina, etc...
Keep Up your great work!
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Hi Colin,
Colin Holgate-2 wrote
>
> Thanks for the extra details.
> I've done a lot of importing of AI files today. I find that fresh AI files
> that
> have new curves are producing stacks that are zero width and height,
> but copying the curves into an existing AI that has something in it will
Well, show me the image id 1003
to test here.
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Hi all,
If I understand correctly this thread, the goal and purpose is to
create a library that recreate the correct interface in every
device where the application runs.
Ideally, every developer should have every device to test that
their application runs correctly. Obviously, that it's not poss
LG 55'' 1080p HD TV with Google TV resolution: 1920 x 1080p
LG 47'' 1080p HD TV with Google TV resolution: 1920 x 1080p
http://www.lg.com/us/tvs/lg-55G2-led-tv
http://www.lg.com/us/tvs/lg-47G2-led-tv
Then, adding this resolution to Scott Rossi's list,
there are 6 (or more) different resolution tar
Hi ForrestD,
webmaster wrote
>
> Alejandro and Phil,
> This is very curious. I'm not sure why it works for you but fails
> every time for me. Could you let me know if you are running LiveCode
> 5.0.2 or something different for an IDE version?
> Thank you so much for testing. The support of
Ideally, we should be able to use scalable vectors
for the Interface. Icons, backgrounds, Text...
A vector graphics interface created with all the excellent
capabilities of vector graphics in this platform, would be
a real delight to watch...
In a quick test of scaling polygons with a gradient f
Hi all,
In principle, I posted this message in the message thread:
"The Screen Density Conundrum"
but, in retrospective, there is more probabiblity that
itwould get an answer, if I posted it
in a new thread...
Ideally, we should be able to use scalable vectors
for the Interface. Icons, backgrou
Hi Scott,
Scott Rossi wrote
>
> Maybe the answer depends on how you're scaling the graphic.
> I scale graphics that contain gradients all the time and the
> gradient scales with the graphic.
> FWIW, the UI components in tmControl are all vector-based controls,
> with gradients -- no images (exce
Hi Mark,
Mark Wieder wrote
>
> [snip]
> Hmmm. How about creating the list of points, creating a new invisible
> graphic, setting its points to the list, getting its rect, deleting
> it, and then setting the rect of your graphic to the new rect, then
> setting its points. That should scale the gr
This topic brings me memories of this documentary:
La Obsolescencia Programada Fabricados para no durar
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chJT_uxSqNk
It's true. In our times too many people really believe that
they "know best". And they have a title (not the real life
experiencies) to prove it.
Whe
Hi Monte,
Monte Goulding wrote
>
> I don't see why you need to do this operation while scaling.
> It would appear to be a different use case. If you do need
> to rotate and scale at the same time then why not work out
> your scaling factor, rotate the points then scale the rect.
> Same as Mark's
Interesting point of view, Thomas.
Thomas McGrath III-3 wrote
>
> And don't we all at some point think "We know best".
> The problem is there are many many people that think
> they know best in direct conflict with those of us that
> actually do. ;-)
>
Here is a prophetic video from Edward
In that case...
Monte Goulding wrote
>
> Why don't you rotate around the via property
> of the gradient. That way it will be right.
>
it would be a translation and a rotation
of these gradient properties.
Let's see how that works.
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Hi Scott,
Scott Rossi wrote
>
> How I would do this -- 1) determine the offsets of all 3 gradient
> coordinates from the graphic's loc, and 2) rotate the gradient coordinates
> in alignment with however much the graphic is rotated, keeping in mind
> offsets from the center.
>
Now it is working
Hi All,
You could download this stack from:
http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/alejandro/stacks/penToolv032h.zip
In this stack, you could import Adobe Ilustrator files 7 or minor
that uses gradients. Then, using the Transformation palette
you could scale, rotate, reflect and skew this imported file.
I
Hi All,
I made an small update to the stack penTool.
You could download this stack from:
http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/alejandro/stacks/penToolv032h.zip
In this version, you could import Adobe Ilustrator files 7 or minor
that uses gradients. Then, using the Transformation palette
you could s
Hi Mark,
Mark Wieder wrote
>
> Here's a framework for unlimited undos. It's set to archive the script of
> objects, but is easily modifiable for other properties.
> [snip]
>
Amazing! Did you have a sample stack to play with?
I was thinking about saving every user action that results in
1) cre
Hi Monte,
Monte Goulding wrote
>
> Your awesome Alejandro!
> Someone give you a proper biezer graphic please!
> Or at least a smoothing property on a polygon.
>
Many Thanks for your compliments!
Just remember that this BETA and there is no UNDO. ;-)
So always play safe!
About smoothing, you
Hi Mark,
Mark Wieder wrote
>
> It's almost verbatim what I do in glx2 to allow unlimited undos. The
> adaptations are the elimination of script-editor-specific things like
> saving and restoring the scroll and field selection.
>
glx2 is one of the most extraordinary examples of smart coding
u
Well, here is another link with content related to this thread:
http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/
Read first the really funny article: New Programming Jargon
Al
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And I believed that it was a good idea
to create unique variable names to make
impossible colitions in the namespace of a
shared environment like LiveCode:
21 - Smurf Naming Convention
When almost every class has the same prefix. IE, when a user clicks on the
button, a SmurfAccountView passes a S
Well, plant a tree, have a child, and write a book. :-D
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Hi Keith,
Keith Clarke wrote
>
> Allowing undos past the last save is a huge advantage, as frequent
> saving is often used to mitigate the risk of instability, rather than
> create a hard 'version'.
> Cmd-S (or Ctrl-S) is your friend when developing or working with flaky
> apps or IDEs.
>
I ag
Hi Andre,
Andre Garzia-3 wrote
>
> I need some beta testers for the new database library that I am
> releasing. I just want some more opinions before releasing it. Anyone
> wants to join? Send me a private email at andre@
> It is the library that I've shown during the last conference.
>
I don'
Hi Alex and Peter,
Alex Tweedly wrote
>
> [snip]
> you could maybe consider extending lcStackDiff to
> cover .lc and .livecode text files as well as scripts
> within stacks.
>
This would be excellent!
Could you extend this script to produce
the differences between the text of two
elements in a
Read the article here:
http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Localytics-Android-usage-study/
"According to study, 73 percent of Android handsets tracked by Localytics
run Android 2.3 ("Gingerbread") and 23 percent still run Android 2.2
("Froyo")"
"Addressing the concern that Android developers m
Hi Peter,
Peter Haworth wrote
>
> [snip]
> In theory, yes that could be done.
>
> Are you wanting to compare two arrays that are stored somehwre in two
> stack
> files, custom properties perhaps? Or are the arrays in script variables?
>
> If the latter, I couldn't do that within the bounds of
Hi David,
"For mobile prototypes we have no set capacities and
are open to suggested platforms. Our preference,
for budget reasons, would be mobile-web or cross platform
frameworks."
This spec opens a world of possibilities. :-)
But this is the part more interesting:
"We will employ 'lightweight
Hi Dave,
David Baker (3open) wrote
>
> CASRAI is a standards development organization so the reference means
> that the prototypes built will, among other typical software and UI
> features, consume and produce CASRAI-compliant XML. A coder does not
> have to be an expert in CASRAI at the start,
Richard Gaskin wrote
>
> This may help:
>
> function MergeArray pSourceA, pDeltaA
>-- Merges the elements in the array pDeltaA with
>-- the array pSourceA, returning an array which
>-- contains the values of pDeltaA for any key
>-- which is also in pSourceA, and any keys in
>
I could just imagine the headaches of early software
GUI designers choosing colors for a Color interface
that looks correctly in a grayscale monitor too...
Al
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Hi Peter,
Peter Haworth wrote
>
> I'm looking for a few beta testers for my latest plugin, lcStackBrowser.
> [snip]
> I've tested this extensively on OS X Lion and Livecode 5.5.0 so hoping to
> find a few volunteers for other versions of OS X, Windows, and Linux.
> Please contact me off list. if
Richard Gaskin wrote
>
> I'm not sure I follow, since the keys of an array will be unique so
> there will be no opportunity to find matching keys within the same array.
>
> If you just want matching values maybe you could write a loop that walks
> through each element and turns that element in
Hi Mark,
Look, for example, the contents of an element
of the Undo Array. The Undo Array contains
a xml description of all controls placed in
a single card:
The Unique Key for each control is the AltID
of the control, that is set at the moment of
its creation. So, always there is only one contr
If you save the stack as version 2.7,
then I could test it in the IDE v2.8.1
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Mark Wieder wrote
>
> I think xml is probably the wrong format for this data. In order to
> determine
> the difference between versions you're going to have to unpack the xml
> data,
> find what has changed, pack that data back into xml, and store that.
> That's a
> lot of unnecessary work.
>
Y
Mark Wieder wrote
>
> Ick! No, I would never suggest something as cumbersome as that!
> It's as simple as adding another dimension to the undo array.
> Here's a minor adjustment to the Undo.Push and Undo.Pop commands in
> the code I posted earlier.
> [snip amazing LiveCode Script]
>
Ok, Now I g
Hi Jacque,
J. Landman Gay wrote
>
> Okay, this is wrong. I've narrowed down the crash to a single Photoshop
> jpg image. I couldn't even select it in the application browser without
> LiveCode blowing up and quitting unexpectedly. Any use of the image in a
> script crashed only intermittently
Andre Garzia-3 wrote
>
> The library is tested and targeted at SQLite databases but it works
> with any database supported by RevDB (with a sane SQL standard)
>
How different is this library from SQLYoga?
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What do you think, Colin?
This file have a sequence of bytes that
the engine reads in the wrong way.
How many bytes could that be?
2, 3 or 4 characters in sequence?
Al
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Bob,
Looks like every developer who uses databases
have their own ideas and convictions about the
way in which their databases should work.
Honestly, I would not expect less. It seems that
after a Developer starts working with databases,
it's worth or value as a Developer starts depending
on how
Mark,
Mark Wieder wrote
>
> Well, undo/redo in glx2 is already finished. And the generic mechanism
> has now been uploaded to revOnline. Glx2 does have auto-archiving,
> which pretty much does what you're describing: saves multiple versions
> with timestamps as you go along in an archive directo
Hi Jacque,
J. Landman Gay wrote
>
> on getPaint -- replace an img's content; img must be selected
>if the selobj = "" then
> answer "Select an image first."
> exit getPaint
>end if
>answer file "Choose replacement image:"
>if it = "" then exit to top
>put url ("binf
Richard Gaskin wrote
>
> I'd love to see that section as well. I have a few articles of my own
> in the works for various things, and it would be great if either or both
> of you would like to contribute articles for LiveCode Journal.
>
> I've always envisioned LCJ as a community-based effort
Interesting article written by David H. Freeman
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2012/06/the-perfected-self/8970/?single_page=true
Dramatic introduction:
"B. F. Skinner’s notorious theory of behavior modification was
denounced by critics 50 years ago as a fascist, manipulative
vehicle
Hi Mark,
How did other applications use this functionality?
Displaying other application icon's could be useful
for creating your own file selector dialogs, but
besides this specific use, Which other uses could
have this dll?
Thanks in advance
Al
Mark Schonewille-3 wrote
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> I know that Wind
Mark,
Mark Wieder wrote
>
> Guitar strumming as exercise? If those wankers would learn to play a
> real instrument (yes, I *am* talking about a bass) they'd find out
> what work really is...
>
An exercise better than Wii Fit. :-D
But, now that phones have cameras, would not be
easier to recor
Read and save this article about Steve Jobs.
I could assure you that his "management style"
will find many followers in the short place and
near future.
We should expect disastrous results in more
than one case...
http://www.wired.com/business/2012/07/ff_stevejobs/all/
Al
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Richmond Mathewson-2 wrote
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> I belive that were RunRev to market early versions of
> RR/LC at cut-down prices they would make some money,
> not detract from their sales of up-to-date versions, and
> do a lot of people a good service.
>
Free software is not "free" for the companies that
rele
J. Landman Gay wrote
>
> [snip]
> I wouldn't be here if it hadn't been for HyperCard.
>
Me too! :-D
Back then, I tried to build a "Spanish Translation Assistant"
http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/HyperCard/message/2159
(Why the HyperCard group is stored among the Finance groups
in yahoo???
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