Re: The Future of LiveCode in Education

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Re: The Future of LiveCode in Education

On 1.03.2016 07:01, Colin Holgate wrote: I’m trying to figure out which bit of information you mistyped. 1983 would be fairly late for getting an Apple II, but 1983 was before the Mac was released, and the Mac II didn’t come out until early 1987 I think. Your remembered date is also four yea

Re: The Future of LiveCode in Education

If we're talking about the “The Future of LiveCode in Education” we ought to consider programming as a tool for exploration. Jim 90% of programming-for-education should be exploration rather than coding-qua-coding as about 90% of school kids are probably not going to go onto caree

Re: The Future of LiveCode in Education

It's been a long time... and to be sure my memory is probably way off... still: But we have this from 1986 and I thought (I certainly could be wrong) I was already coding in Hypercard for some time ( a year or so I think at least) before this: http://dev.himalayanacademy.com/media/art/photogra

Re: The Future of LiveCode in Education

I’m trying to figure out which bit of information you mistyped. 1983 would be fairly late for getting an Apple II, but 1983 was before the Mac was released, and the Mac II didn’t come out until early 1987 I think. Your remembered date is also four years before HyperCard was released. It could b

Re: The Future of LiveCode in Education

I think it was circa 1983, I was in San Franscisco... our spiritual master, Gurudeva, called from Hawaii saying "Your Apple II is coming any day. You need to sign up for some classes right away... this it the future." When it came... I think the 3rd thing I did after booting up was start Hyper

Re: The Future of LiveCode in Education

On 2/29/2016 3:03 PM, Jeff Reynolds wrote: So how about LC community shipping on all education macs? or on all macs for that matter? I think Jacqueline hit it on the head that it being there and easy to start playing with were the key to HC and the Mac’s success! Apple needs to continue this trad

Re: The Future of LiveCode in Education

“The Future of LiveCode in Education” we ought to consider programming as a tool for exploration. Jim ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:

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But a minute x 30 computers for an already overworked class teacher or under funded school tech just to do an hour of code type lesson may not happen. Ideally there might be an intermediate step between Scratch and the full LC IDE using a HTML5 IDE to introduce the language and advertise the ful

Re: The Future of LiveCode in Education

On 02/29/2016 02:16 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: William Prothero wrote: > Richard; > Agreed. Perhaps it’s my age. Yes, of course it won’t be a good > strategy to compare Livecode to Hypercard. I only brought it up in > an attempt to contrast the wide early adoption of Hypercard by > educators

Re: The Future of LiveCode in Education

Monte Goulding wrote: > My son regularly immerses in Scratch. There’s a couple of things > that make it a good learning environment beyond the drag and drop > code blocks: > - web based so no download and install for schools without the >resources to do that easily > - a tightly integrated

Re: The Future of LiveCode in Education

Jeff: Hmm…. I am developing an app, rewritten from Director, that I am calling “Earth Explorer”. Am I infringing? I probably got hold of you CDROM in the ancient past, though. My first version of my “Earth Explorer” app (was named differently then) was actually written in Hypercard. Then porte

Re: The Future of LiveCode in Education

Yes was true for me as well even though i had programmed in a few different languages in the past. At the time HC came out i was in grad school {molecular biology) and not programming. After 10 minutes of looking at HC and poking at it i realized how much fun and useful things i could do so quic

Re: The Future of LiveCode in Education

Richard: Agreed. It always seemed odd to me that I had to rebuild, for every app, standard UI interfaces that most folks use. The Widgets capability in LC is masterful. It’s definitely a biggie. My problem is getting my friends to actually try Livecode. I think I’ll need to do a bit of demo-ing

Re: The Future of LiveCode in Education

> On 1 Mar 2016, at 7:16 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > > Right now we see Scratch used for some of that, but the boundaries of any > point-and-click system are encountered pretty quickly. For young users it > can be a good starting point, but most outgrow it fairly quickly. My son regularly im

Re: The Future of LiveCode in Education

William Prothero wrote: > Richard; > Agreed. Perhaps it’s my age. Yes, of course it won’t be a good > strategy to compare Livecode to Hypercard. I only brought it up in > an attempt to contrast the wide early adoption of Hypercard by > educators, to the current environment where there are so many

Re: The Future of LiveCode in Education

Richard; Agreed. Perhaps it’s my age. Yes, of course it won’t be a good strategy to compare Livecode to Hypercard. I only brought it up in an attempt to contrast the wide early adoption of Hypercard by educators, to the current environment where there are so many choices and also where knowledge

Re: The Future of LiveCode in Education

On 2/29/2016 1:25 PM, William Prothero wrote: By the way, I too have pondered the popularity that Hypercard was able to achieve and compared it to Livecode. Certainly, a subset of livecode and hypercard are pretty identical. So, why isn’t it easier to get excited about it? HyperCard took off be

Re: The Future of LiveCode in Education

William Prothero wrote: > For those already familiar with other programming languages (I’m > in that group), the syntax may look archaic and put folks off. It > did me, at first. I was used to Fortran, Pascal, C, Lingo, etc, > and the Hypercard syntax just seemed primitive compared to modern > ob

Re: The Future of LiveCode in Education

Stephen: Wonderful work you’ve done with Livecode and medical education. FYI, there’s a forum topic at; http://forums.livecode.com/viewforum.php?f=107 The forum addresses the topic of getting teachers involved. Your introductory book on livecode

Re: The Future of LiveCode in Education

What does LiveCode need to do to significantly increase its audience among teachers and students of computer programming? I taught medical students for 25 years at the University of Miami School of Medicine. LiveCode has provided an opportunity to further improve medical education. My stu

Re: The future of LiveCode

t: Sat, Jul 21, 2012 10:07 am Subject: Re: The future of LiveCode I saw "HyperTalk -- The Book" in a bookstore [remember bookstores?] when I was saving up to get my first mac and bought it right away. I read it over one summer before I even had a computer, and when I finally got the

Re: The future of LiveCode

I saw "HyperTalk -- The Book" in a bookstore [remember bookstores?] when I was saving up to get my first mac and bought it right away. I read it over one summer before I even had a computer, and when I finally got the machine I was off and running. Hypercard became my major tool from the get-go.

Re: The future of LiveCode

On 7/20/12 5:38 PM, Potts Jeff wrote: I have tried to scrape the lessons to a local machine and it is not possible. I even raised the issue with LC support and was told that it was not possible to have the lessons presented in a way that we could download easily. Possibly because the lessons ar

Re: The future of LiveCode

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Doc- Friday, July 20, 2012, 1:53:16 PM, you wrote: > On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 1:50 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: >> You are saying we should sneak up behind the newbies and push them off the >> precipice? ;-) > I want the parachute concession! > (Satisfaction guaranteed. If it fails to work properly

Re: The future of LiveCode

Yes, a fantastic book that really unlocked HC for me. It is the best computer book I have ever read! Tim Selander Tokyo, Japan On 7/21/12 1:28 AM, Jim Hurley wrote: Professor Goldberg, A bit daunting because of its size, but I learned HyperTalk from the truly wonderful book: "HyperTalk The

Re: The future of LiveCode

I find that preposterous. Of course it can be done if they redesign it that way! Sounds like that person was just putting you off. Bob On Jul 20, 2012, at 3:38 PM, Potts Jeff wrote: > I even raised the issue with LC support and was told that it > was not possible to have the lessons presented

Re: The future of LiveCode

I have tried to scrape the lessons to a local machine and it is not possible. I even raised the issue with LC support and was told that it was not possible to have the lessons presented in a way that we could download easily. Again, without this, my clients are finding the proposition offered by LC

Re: The future of LiveCode

On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 1:50 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: > You are saying we should sneak up behind the newbies and push them off the > precipice? ;-) I want the parachute concession! (Satisfaction guaranteed. If it fails to work properly, bring it back in person, and I'll cheerfully replace it).

Re: The future of LiveCode

Hey! I might be their guy! I have been working for a non-profit almost my entire life! Bob On Jul 20, 2012, at 1:31 PM, Potts Jeff wrote: > I consult for small non-profits who want to make the jump from > Filemaker to something more advanced but not a full blown system > requiring full time e

Re: The future of LiveCode

You are saying we should sneak up behind the newbies and push them off the precipice? ;-) Bob On Jul 20, 2012, at 1:31 PM, Potts Jeff wrote: > Finally, LiveCode could benefit from designing materials using plain > english, step by step instructions to solving basic problems for > newbies. Agai

Re: The future of LiveCode

There are utilities that will scrape a web site and create a local copy of it. I am not sure you can do this with the documentation because it may be dynamically generated. If it is static, then you should be able to copy it. (Not sure what the authors would say to that.) In another response o

Re: The future of LiveCode

Welcome to the world of database disconnect. Products like Filemaker have a proprietary database mechanism built in. If fact thew Filemaker product is really some stuff running on top of a database engine. Products, any products that use SQL are in the same boat as Livecode, in that they allow y

Re: The future of LiveCode

I signed up for the Business Academy videos and went through them each day as the links arrived in my in box. I felt they were excellent in several ways: * each one was no more than 4-5 minutes long at the most. For busy people that's an ideal length. * they contain no fluff - they get rig

Re: The future of LiveCode

I'm late to the discussion, but my experience is that a proper set of tutorials and user manual need to be in place to attract new users. I have found like other commenters that the documentation and knowledge is all over the place and is not unified enough to make solving a problem more efficient

Re: The future of LiveCode

The book comes in four bindings, and I have you jump from one to another every other sentence. Just so you feel on familiar ground. Just kidding… The book is a beginner's guide, and follows a format that Packt have built up over the years. At some point I'll post a message that shows the whole

Re: The future of LiveCode

Kevin Miller wrote: In the mean time, have you tried the Business Academy? It is our 4th "revision" of the Academy concept and has been the most successful by far at providing the information new (and even existing) users need in bite-sized chunks. +100 I've recommended the Business Academy to

Re: The future of LiveCode

I've already gone on too long, so apologies to all. But, it seems to me there's a manpower shortage. There's lots of work, and not enough engineers/coders/documentors/etc to meet it. What about volunteers? I'd /happily/ code up solutions to my troubles (no header access for http calls on mo

Re: The future of LiveCode

Thanks for your feedback. It may interest you to know there are two books due to be published shortly. We are also hard at work on the new developers portal which will do a much better job of bringing the disparate information sources together in a highly searchable format. In the mean time, have

Re: The future of LiveCode

What might be a good idea is if people could submit help articles to the online help system that already exists. There should also be an online help system caching so that there is always a current local cached version of the help site in case you do not have access to the internet, and that sho

Re: The future of LiveCode

Not I. I have the online electronic book which I find vastly superior. I suppose for those who have no or crappy internet connections a book might be better... Bob On Jul 20, 2012, at 11:31 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > Serious question: > > How many of the people who say they'd learn LiveCode

Re: The future of LiveCode

Ken Corey wrote: > Bottom Line, you simply can't say "Oh, we have a User Guide, if only > you'd read it." That's not what I wrote. My apologies for not being clearer about my intentions. My question was more in the spirit of usability testing, evaluating not the user but the system. Your s

Re: The future of LiveCode

It's a good question. I use the User Guide more as a reference tool than a learning tool, it's kinda the next level of resource above the dictionary for me. I think what the original post was about was more in the are of instructional materials and neither the User Guide nor the dictionary fill t

Re: The future of LiveCode

The problem I had when I was starting LiveCode is that the information is scattered all over here and there. I was interested in LiveCode for mobile development. I started with the User Guide. I wanted to create a button on the screen. Okay, so create a new Main stack, drag the button out,

Re: The future of LiveCode

Serious question: How many of the people who say they'd learn LiveCode better if there was a book they could read have read even a third of the 387 pages comprising the User Guide they already have? -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com

Re: The future of LiveCode

I had been working with Foxpro for several years, and was astonished whenever I found a new command I didn't know about. But when I looked it up in the reference manual (that is all we had back then, no internet to make life simple for us) there it was plain as day. If we wanted to do somethin

Re: The future of LiveCode

-after the basic theory. Jim Hurley Emeritus Professor of Physics, Univ. of California > > Message: 22 > Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 09:02:17 -0400 (EDT) > From: "stgoldb...@aol.com" > To: use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Subject: The future of LiveCode > Message-I

Re: The future of LiveCode

You can't at this time gift an iBook to someone. For Kindle you can, visit this page for more info: http://www.amazon.com/b?ie=UTF8&node=2518188011 The Kindle version will read on the Kindle iOS and Android app too, you don't have to own a Kindle. The generic ebook version comes to you with yo

Re: The future of LiveCode

peared in some guise somewhere. Anyone know how to reach him? Craig -Original Message- From: Roger Eller To: How to use LiveCode Sent: Fri, Jul 20, 2012 11:44 am Subject: Re: The future of LiveCode Colin Holgate wrote: > BTW, the final PDF file was sent to the printing press yesterday.

Re: The future of LiveCode

Colin Holgate wrote: > BTW, the final PDF file was sent to the printing press yesterday. CONGRATS!!! Now... I have a dumb question. I've never bought an ebook. In the real world, I can buy a book and give it to a friend. If I wanted to buy a few copies of Colin's new eBook to give to colleague

Re: The future of LiveCode

Colin Holgate wrote: > BTW, the final PDF file was sent to the printing press yesterday. > The publisher decided to bring it forward one month. I like to > think that they could do that because I didn't overrun the schedule, > and sent back revisions quickly. Whatever the case it at least means >

RE: The future of LiveCode

> All other major programming languages have a variety of > manuals in the bookstores. Where are they for LiveCode? It > is insufficient to just direct the user to scattered > tutorials on the Internet or to seminars; there needs to be a > book that the user can easily use while learning the

Re: The future of LiveCode

I wouldn't be so hopeful! The book isn't geared towards people who are learning programming, it's for people who already program in LiveCode but want to know about some of the mobile features, and how to get set up for developing mobile apps, and getting them into app stores. The first chapter i

Re: The future of LiveCode

Hi, i agree totally. I used Dan Shafer´s "Software at the Speed of Thought" when starting with RevStudio". It was a good introduction into programming with RevStudio. This book should be included with every LC license for free. Matthias Am 20.07.2012 um 15:02 schrieb stgoldb...@aol.com: >

Re: The future of LiveCode

If it were me, and I had a 190 page primer/introduction written, i'd flesh it out and clean it up for public consumption and then publish it through amazon for the kindle. If nothing else it might help new people discover LC, and best case it will put some money in your pocket. Just a thought. On

Re: The future of LiveCode

No one is going to disagree with what you wrote :) One of the problems here is that LC is not a major programming language. To become one it'd need much better visibility, a ton of published books, several fan communities, learning courses offered in all big economy cities worldwide, etc. Howev

The future of LiveCode

I have used LiveCode extensively to develop my company's educational software. It's a great program. I think one of the reasons why LiveCode is not more widely adopted is the lack of an adequate user manual that would attract beginners. I ask, would you recommend the present LiveCode user