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> On 13 Aug 2015, at 9:09 pm, Mark Waddingham wrote: > > That's very true. Indeed, perhaps one could argue that GitHub needs > service-hooks which allow customization of merging and diff display. That > general feature there would solve the VCS problem in a natural way for a > number of types

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On Fri, Aug 14, 2015 at 8:12 PM, Roger Eller wrote: > Not contributing time and code does not necessarily make one a leech! Many > of us contributed monetarily to the kickstarter, and I believe that earns > us just as many beech points as anybody. > Absolutely. Everyone who posts here helping

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> On 16 Aug 2015, at 10:37 am, Dr. Hawkins wrote: > > Yes, but the script still needs a way to distinguish which changes happen > from "normal use", and which from redesign, doesn't it? Clicking a > property seems to be at least as easy as setting a behavior . . . > > In my case, I might have

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On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 3:56 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: > You give them a script. Yes, but the script still needs a way to distinguish which changes happen from "normal use", and which from redesign, doesn't it? Clicking a property seems to be at least as easy as setting a behavior . . . In my

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I'm still trying to grasp the advantage of BAF, since I'm guessing I'm in the target audience. Then, again, maybe not, since I still haven't gotten an email about it from Mildred et al. On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 6:56 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: > > > On 16 Aug 2015, at 8:51 am, Dr. Hawkins wrote:

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> On 16 Aug 2015, at 8:51 am, Dr. Hawkins wrote: > > But how would objects know whether or not to do this in less you set > properties in them, anyway, or gave them a script? You give them a script. In my case you handle the lcVCSExport message if you need to do anything. In practice I usuall

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On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 3:51 PM, Dr. Hawkins wrote: > I didn't include the vcIgnoreProperites , either. > Nor explain it, it seems:-) This would cause all of the "common suspects " to not be included in a revision -- Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. (702) 508-8462 __

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On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 2:17 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: > This is one of the curly issues. I personally can’t imagine the tedium of > having to set a default property for half the properties of every object. > It becomes routine; I'm building forms. I have several button that loop through to se

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> On 16 Aug 2015, at 1:16 am, Dr. Hawkins wrote: > > Along with their customPropertySet, there could be a "vcsIgnoresSet", or a > group of properties of vcsIgnoresPosition, vcsIgnoresHilite, > vcsIgnoresText, vcsIgnoresVis, vcsIgnoresSize. There could be a vcsIgnore > checkbook on custom proper

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On Fri, Aug 14, 2015 at 1:46 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: > As far as lcVCS goes I actually think it would be good better if we could > work with Mark and Peter to get the file format into the engine. It really is insane that it isn't built in Along with their customPropertySet, there could be a

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Hi All! I'd second what Graham and Jacqueline shared. My version control system is, "Save as..." and the corresponding file creation dates. I would be interested in learning more about versions control and tracking, though LiveCode development is not my primary job. (My primary job is K8 educat

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> On 15 Aug 2015, at 8:46 am, Monte Goulding > wrote: > >> In terms of the remaining work, would it be helpful if you had one or two >> other people to lend a hand with that? > > I didn’t really answer this question sorry. Probably the most helpful would > be more documentation. Perhaps vide

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> In terms of the remaining work, would it be helpful if you had one or two > other people to lend a hand with that? I didn’t really answer this question sorry. Probably the most helpful would be more documentation. Perhaps videos explaining things? I have some docs for lcVCS here https://githu

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> On 15 Aug 2015, at 8:11 am, Richard Gaskin wrote: > > Why not a bundled plugin? There's good precedent with LC shipping with > third-party plugins bundled, and that makes it instantly available to the > widest audience while still managing expectations in terms of support. That would be po

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Monte Goulding wrote: > It’s a bit of a “how long is a piece of string” question at the > moment. I can’t promise to make anything work out of the box in > the IDE. If that’s what the community wants (I want it too) then > it’s probably better that whatever funding is raised goes to > Edinburgh so

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> On 15 Aug 2015, at 7:23 am, Malte Brill wrote: > > how much would you think we need to raise to make your work on this > worthwhile? > > I’d surely be willing to put in a couple of €s if we had something that > installs easiely and is easy to use. (Of course best coming out of the box) I >

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> The git IDE integration on the other hand could be a plugin (paid or open > source) or part of the IDE that comes out of the box. It’s where the magic > happens. Stuff like the toolTip on the script line numbers showing the author > and commit message. So I’d rather focus on that stuff. Monte

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> On 15 Aug 2015, at 1:09 am, Martin Koob wrote: > > Monte has not charged for lcVCS to this point but I will happily pay him for > it when there is an opportunity to do so. > > His original plan to provide the lcVCS engine as GPL and then charge for the > IDE plugin and command line interfac

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J. Landman Gay wrote > On 8/14/2015 1:47 PM, Graham Samuel wrote: >> To me the ideal is a system which can be explained to a team in an >> hour and which everyone can then stick to. My (fractured) reading of >> this conversation gives me the idea that we are approaching >> Gnome-ville, where real

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My favorite quote of the week: "The most important thing anyone can do with LiveCode is to simply enjoy it. Without that, nothing else is possible." --Richard Gaskin ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to s

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On 8/14/2015 1:47 PM, Graham Samuel wrote: To me the ideal is a system which can be explained to a team in an hour and which everyone can then stick to. My (fractured) reading of this conversation gives me the idea that we are approaching Gnome-ville, where really nothing can be explained in an h

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Graham Samuel wrote: > This conversation (about version control for LS projects worked on > by teams, not really about BAF at all at this point) is beginning > to go over my head. Long ago I worked in enormous projects (not far > off 100 people) without comprehensive version control, and I guess

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This conversation (about version control for LS projects worked on by teams, not really about BAF at all at this point) is beginning to go over my head. Long ago I worked in enormous projects (not far off 100 people) without comprehensive version control, and I guess we did something like Brahm

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Kay, while I don't disagree with much of the substance of your post, I would suggest we all try to avoid comparisons with things that lead to emotion-laden phrases like "leeching off society". Open source is a gift, not an obligation, for both sides, developer and user alike. It's always a g

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Kay, Good points, after ignoring the rhetoric. There could be argument about which features are included in all versions. Seems like zip and PDF support would be part of any modern authoring system. I contributed a substantial (for me) amount to the Kickstarter, appreciate the need for the mothe

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Monte Goulding wrote > People I have worked on projects with using lcVCS like Trevor and Martin > seem to love being about to review their change history etc. Martin didn’t > have any version control experience and now works largely on his own but > continues to find it helpful. Trevor simply wasn

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And in every case of this type of theft you will probably find the global private management company Booz, Allen and Hamilton which was founded in Chicago, Illinois are connected. John Balgenorth On Aug 14, 2015, at 7:37 AM, Terence Heaford wrote: > >> On 14 Aug 2015, at 15:13, JB wrote: >>

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> On 14 Aug 2015, at 15:13, JB wrote: > > If you are paying into a pension your whole life are you going > to call yourself a leach when you start collecting it? Is there an analogy here. In the UK people down the years have been paying into a pension be it Private or be it Government and wer

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Receiving Social Security benefits is not leaching off of society. You pay in until you retire and then you receive a monthly check base on how much you paid in. Those who spent their life leaching off society and not paying in very much get nothing or very little. The problem in America with So

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As you read this, keep in mind I have no direct knowledge of the financial standing of RunRev, so its all supposition. (Plus, i'm not a big brain like most on the list, so ignore me if you wish) Lets get this out of the way first: Contributions here, and in the forums, as well as monetary contribu

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Well said! Graham (Indy licence holder and Kickstarter contributor). > On 14 Aug 2015, at 14:12, Roger Eller wrote: > > Not contributing time and code does not necessarily make one a leech! Many > of us contributed monetarily to the kickstarter, and I believe that earns > us just as many beech

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Not contributing time and code does not necessarily make one a leech! Many of us contributed monetarily to the kickstarter, and I believe that earns us just as many beech points as anybody. Climb down off that high horse. We can hardly see you way up there. Everyone should be able to have input,

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> illustrates to me that the community is very concerned about the > possibility of a two-tiered livecode environment where we need to pay extra > to get added premium features that we all will want. > I wasn't going to post but this is such and oxymoron, and so prevalent here I just can't constra

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On 08/13/2015 10:45 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: "A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week." - Gen. George S. Patton "plans are useless, but planning is indispensable." - Gen. Dwight D. Eisenhower -- Mark Wieder ahsoftw...@gmail.com __

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On 08/13/2015 04:09 AM, Mark Waddingham wrote: That's very true. Indeed, perhaps one could argue that GitHub needs service-hooks which allow customization of merging and diff display. That general feature there would solve the VCS problem in a natural way for a number of types of data which are

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+1 > William Prothero wrote > That said: I love the application and am grateful for it every day that I use > it. Ralph DiMola IT Director Evergreen Information Services rdim...@evergreeninfo.net ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runre

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The big response on this topic illustrates to me that the community is very concerned about the possibility of a two-tiered livecode environment where we need to pay extra to get added premium features that we all will want. Personally, I am very happy with the direction and work that the dev te

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: Business Application Framework +2 Very important. Bill > On Aug 13, 2015, at 11:33 AM, Richmond wrote: > > +1 >> Hi all, >> >> Kevin mentioned in his orignal mail: >> … and a PDF Viewer. >> >> Please, please, please also give this one to „the mas

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+2 Very important. Bill > On Aug 13, 2015, at 11:33 AM, Richmond wrote: > > +1 >> Hi all, >> >> Kevin mentioned in his orignal mail: >> … and a PDF Viewer. >> >> Please, please, please also give this one to „the masses“! >> We’ve been waiting for this for ages. >> >> >> Best >> >> Klaus >>

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+1 Hi all, Kevin mentioned in his orignal mail: … and a PDF Viewer. Please, please, please also give this one to „the masses“! We’ve been waiting for this for ages. Best Klaus -- Klaus Major http://www.major-k.de kl...@major-k.de ___ use-livecod

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Hi all, Kevin mentioned in his orignal mail: … and a PDF Viewer. Please, please, please also give this one to „the masses“! We’ve been waiting for this for ages. Best Klaus -- Klaus Major http://www.major-k.de kl...@major-k.de ___ use-livecode mai

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LiveCode is unusual in many ways. If there are anomalies with how it integrates with VCSes designed for very different languages that would really be the least of our concerns. Indeed - that is a good way to look at it. If accommodating other people's expectations of "normal" were a priority

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Aloha, Kevin: A well considered response. I'll be with you for the long haul, no question about that. Please do consider - hear our "pleas" for tools that are expected out of the box in an open source arena 1) long, long, long, long standing request SFTP on board. Make a widget fo that asa

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Monte Goulding wrote: > One thing worth considering is as complex widgets develop the number > of objects on a stack should reduce dramatically making it much > easier to work out what you’re looking at. Combined with scriptified > stacks it’s starting to look like a reasonable solution. LiveCode

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On August 13, 2015 8:15:44 AM CDT, Terence Heaford wrote: > >Did you advise the Open Source backers at any point prior to or during >the KickStarter campaign that the Commercial product would be different >than the Open Source product except in the area of code protection? Brett's post cleared th

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Yes. Perhaps it would help to understand this in context if you look some more at how some other dual licensed open source projects are run. Kind regards, Kevin Kevin Miller ~ ke...@livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/ LiveCode: Everyone can create apps On 13/08/2015 14:15, "Terence Heaf

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> On 13 Aug 2015, at 13:58, Kevin Miller wrote: > > We said during Kickstarter that the product would be dual licensed. That > means we have an Open Source Community Edition and a closed source > Commercial Edition. We made it clear we would continue to have a > commercial product. At no stage d

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Thank you to everyone for all your input so far. Kickstarter was never intended to cover all development costs for everything we do. Software moves on, platforms move on, development continues at an astonishing speed in the digital world. Kickstarter was intended to fund extra developers to help d

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> On 13 Aug 2015, at 9:09 pm, Mark Waddingham wrote: > >> True but it’s not like there aren’t other funky file formats in >> GitHub… storyboard, xib etc.. nasty stuff. Keep the UI as code light >> as possible and the code in nicely named scriptified stacks and it’s >> reasonable as far as I can t

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True but it’s not like there aren’t other funky file formats in GitHub… storyboard, xib etc.. nasty stuff. Keep the UI as code light as possible and the code in nicely named scriptified stacks and it’s reasonable as far as I can tell. You could even put in some commit hooks to enforce a rule on th

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> To be fair it is a killer if you do not have such a front-end and want to > have multiple people working in a rigorous way on a single LiveCode project ;) True but it’s not like there aren’t other funky file formats in GitHub… storyboard, xib etc.. nasty stuff. Keep the UI as code light as po

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I’m not convinced it’s a killer. I just think it needs some special tools. It really wouldn’t be that hard to build a third party code review web app that integrated with GitHub via service hooks. Such a beast would know the export stack file format and present the objects in the same way the proj

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> On 13 Aug 2015, at 09:39, Richard Gaskin wrote: > > What compels you to keep writing like that? This is how I feel as an Open Source backer, let down. Now if I had been an open Source backer who laid out thousands for the principal of Open Source, let down would not begin to cover it. Many

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> On 13 Aug 2015, at 09:39, Richard Gaskin wrote: > > As an open source user, why would you even consider the proprietary license? Because if LC Open Source is limited in some way there may be something available in the paid product I would like to incorporate in an Open Source stack but cann

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> On 13 Aug 2015, at 5:48 pm, Mark Waddingham wrote: > > This is where UUID based on-disk formats fail - given a PR and its patch it > is exceptionally difficult to work out in which objects the changes are being > made. Given that LiveCode allows (and indeeds encourages you!) to spread code

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> On 13 Aug 2015, at 5:50 pm, Peter TB Brett wrote: > > On 2015-08-13 09:07, Mark Waddingham wrote: >> On 2015-08-12 23:57, Monte Goulding wrote: >> As I said way back when, I'm not averse to Object UUIDs being added as >> metadata for the purposes of VCS (i.e. sideline data in objects). I'm >>

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Terence Heaford wrote: > The view of an Open Source User follows: ... > I cannot justify the serious outlay for an Indie Licence in LC As an open source user, why would you even consider the proprietary license? > I now await to be slammed by RG. I won’t take it seriously. Who's slamming who

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The view of an Open Source User follows: I have come to LiveCode from SuperCard on the Mac and was attracted by the KickStarter campaign which would provide LC as Open Source. I contributed the minimum amount as LC is for my personnel use and I doubted the sincerity at the time. I did consider

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On 2015-08-13 09:07, Mark Waddingham wrote: On 2015-08-12 23:57, Monte Goulding wrote: As I said way back when, I'm not averse to Object UUIDs being added as metadata for the purposes of VCS (i.e. sideline data in objects). I'm still yet to be persuaded that replacing 'ids' with them is worthwhi

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On 2015-08-12 23:35, Peter TB Brett wrote: On 2015-08-12 22:52, Richard Gaskin wrote: Now that we're talking about a much broader scope, and especially given the central role of VCS in fostering healthy open source work, my opinion is now more open than before, and somewhat undecided. If it tu

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On 2015-08-12 23:57, Monte Goulding wrote: Thanks for the details Peter. I had thought the BAF was a product of your work on the file format. I wonder if the current situation warrants a further investigation into the things that would assist my script based solution? Object UUIDs and more suppor

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On 8/12/2015 4:35 PM, Peter TB Brett wrote: ## Business Application Framework != version control for stacks In the meantime, one of our developers explored an alternative approach to storing apps in version control. It becomes much easier when you constrain users to write and design their progr

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On 13/08/15 07:02, Mark Wieder wrote: On 08/12/2015 10:01 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote: First, they are no longer "Runtime Revolution" or "RunRev", they are "LiveCode" and have legally changed the company name. I don't think that's correct. The legal documents all say Runtime Revolution, Ltd.

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On 08/12/2015 10:01 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote: First, they are no longer "Runtime Revolution" or "RunRev", they are "LiveCode" and have legally changed the company name. I don't think that's correct. The legal documents all say Runtime Revolution, Ltd. -- Mark Wieder ahsoftw...@gmail.com __

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: Business Application Framework RichardG wrote: > I'm not on any payroll but my own; I am not an employee of LiveCode > Ltd. My role is as a volunteer, and focused solely on fostering the > Community Edition through open source process. I and surely many are most grateful for your sup

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On 08/12/2015 02:27 PM, Richmond wrote: However, I do think that the person who said "Good luck list/livecode community, I'll see you later." is not helping at all. That is just negative flack that does not lead anywhere. Agreed, although I have to admit I understand and have been tending in

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The engine level UUIDs would help a lot to ensure new objects get UUIDs particularly after copy, clone etc. It's not critical the widget stud is. Sent from my iPhone > On 13 Aug 2015, at 12:32 pm, Mark Wieder wrote: > > Right. I thought lcVCS was basically as far as we could take this, given t

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On 08/12/2015 02:35 PM, Peter TB Brett wrote: ## Current state of version control for stacks I spent the first few months after joining LiveCode attempting to implement a scheme which would allow *any* LiveCode app -- no matter how complicated -- to be stored in a format that could be reliably

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Richard Gaskin wrote: So lets dive in with lcVCS in v7 today, and with any luck the project will attract enough contributors that they'll be able to handle at least some of whatever work may be needed to port it to v8 later, allowing you to maximize the time you spend on your externals which t

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On 08/12/2015 02:57 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: I wonder if the current situation warrants a further investigation into the things that would assist my script based solution? Object UUIDs and more support for working out widget metadata without depending on ide code. Right. I thought lcVCS was

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On 08/12/2015 05:45 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: Why doesn’t this thing support zip files... Indeed. -- Mark Wieder ahsoftw...@gmail.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and

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> On 13 Aug 2015, at 9:52 am, Monte Goulding > wrote: > >> "Sample Stacks" is a bit of a turn-off, and the older "RevOnline" name >> wasn't much better. But the role is very very worthwhile: it's where all of >> us can share stack files easily. > > I’ll upload today. Hmm… can’t upload becau

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RichardG wrote: > I'm not on any payroll but my own; I am not an employee of > LiveCode Ltd. My role is as a volunteer, and focused solely on > fostering the Community Edition through open source process. I and surely many are most grateful for your superb service to our LiveCode community.

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Richard wrote: > > Did I just miss it? Hi Richard, You did. On http://mergext.com/mergext/ lcVCS is available under the Download tab > Plugins. One may need to be logged in. Otherwise it is on github as PaulR wrote. Jim Lambert ___

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> It seems that it's very much in the game. Peter's post was especially > helpful for two reasons: > > - It confirms the inherent difficulty in creating a general-purpose > VCS tool that covers all edge cases. Yes there were a few of curly issues I had to get my head around. > > - It clarifi

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> Le 12 août 2015 à 19:01, Kevin Miller a écrit : > > The Business Application Framework is a framework for writing more serious > applications in LiveCode. It is far more than simply adding ³GitHub" to > LiveCode. It brings in advanced concepts such as object-orientation, a > model-view controll

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Monte Goulding wrote: >> 1. Why hasn't this been more widely promoted? > > It's only been promoted on the lists, forums and Facebook. For > a while RunRev were going to buy it, then they decided to do > their own so I stopped pushing ahead with lcVCS as it appeared > to be a waste of time. Now th

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Thanks for the details Peter. I had thought the BAF was a product of your work on the file format. I wonder if the current situation warrants a further investigation into the things that would assist my script based solution? Object UUIDs and more support for working out widget metadata without

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"But if there's anything in recent discussions on which there's anything close to unanimity, whether from ol' timers or newcomers, whether from open source developers or proprietary entrepreneurs, it's that maintaining feature parity between Community and Commercial as close as practical is impo

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> 1. Why hasn't this been more widely promoted? It's only been promoted on the lists, forums and Facebook. For a while RunRev were going to buy it, then they decided to do their own so I stopped pushing ahead with lcVCS as it appeared to be a waste of time. Now this and maybe it's back in the

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Richmond wrote: I don't think LiveCode will thrive if it continues to present itself to the world in the way it is just now. The more people who state their opinion, the more healthy and pluralistic the debate will become, and the more likely that LiveCode will sit up and take notice *seriously*

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Indeed this is what I was told. I thought I had convinced Kevin that version control needed to stop being an afterthought on this platform and start being something that just works with the core offering. The platform wouldn't even be considered by most developers because of the binary format. Y

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Personally still waiting for the "Reworked Multimedia Support".. https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1755283828/open-source-edition-of-livecode/posts?page=4 The current audio support is archaic and it's still not possible to easily record audio on mobile. regards alex On 13/08/2015 5:05 am,

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On 2015-08-12 22:52, Richard Gaskin wrote: Now that we're talking about a much broader scope, and especially given the central role of VCS in fostering healthy open source work, my opinion is now more open than before, and somewhat undecided. If it turns out that we've had a great open source o

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It's open source Richard. Anyone can distribute it. I just choose to distribute binaries of my open source stuff via mergExt for obvious reasons Sent from my iPhone > On 13 Aug 2015, at 6:31 am, Richard Gaskin wrote: > > Is there another option in the community that doesn't require email

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On 13/08/15 00:20, Richard Gaskin wrote: Richmond wrote: I feel for Richard Gaskin a lot as he is caught between the Devil and the Deep Blue Sea, and doing that for nothing as well: not "fun" at times, I'm sure. I appreciate your concern, but my experience is very much the opposite: I'm n

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On 12/08/15 23:59, Brahmanathaswami wrote: @ Kevin: We are non-profit.. I have an Indy license solely for the iOS password protection requirement. Expand my use case to 10,000's of students and educators and hobbyists and web site owners who mix it up with desktop clients and server side API's

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Richmond wrote: I feel for Richard Gaskin a lot as he is caught between the Devil and the Deep Blue Sea, and doing that for nothing as well: not "fun" at times, I'm sure. I appreciate your concern, but my experience is very much the opposite: I'm not on any payroll but my own; I am not an em

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On 12/08/15 23:52, Andrew Kluthe wrote: Monte said himself that he was going to stop improving it in major ways as he expected Livecode Community to have native git support that Livecode Community's steward company was working on. Many of us thought this feature was probably a WHEN and not and I

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On 12/08/15 23:52, Richard Gaskin wrote: Andrew Kluthe wrote: ...I'm pretty shocked to that native GIT support and a proper MVC-style framework for livecode isn't part of Livecode Community. I think this is a big mistake on the part of the steward company of this software. I get the framework t

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@ Kevin: We are non-profit.. I have an Indy license solely for the iOS password protection requirement. Expand my use case to 10,000's of students and educators and hobbyists and web site owners who mix it up with desktop clients and server side API's like I do...if something is over my head, I

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Paul Richards wrote: > Richard Gaskin wrote: >> Matthias Rebbe wrote: >>> The only lcVCS i am aware of is the free lcVCS plugin from Monte. >>> You > can download it at his site at http://www.mergext.com. >> >> I didn't see it there, and using the site's Search box yielded 0 >> results for "lcvc

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-Original Message- > From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On > Behalf Of Richard Gaskin > Sent: 12 August 2015 21:31 > To: use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Subject: Re: Business Application Framework > > Matthias Rebbe wrote: > > >> A

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Andrew Kluthe wrote: ...I'm pretty shocked to that native GIT support and a proper MVC-style framework for livecode isn't part of Livecode Community. I think this is a big mistake on the part of the steward company of this software. I get the framework thing even, almost. But basic Version Contr

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> Am 12.08.2015 um 22:31 schrieb Richard Gaskin : > > Matthias Rebbe wrote: >> >> The only lcVCS i am aware of is the free lcVCS plugin from Monte. You >> can download it at his site at http://www.mergext.com. But you have >> to register first. > > I didn't see it there, and using the site's Se

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Can be found here :-) https://github.com/montegoulding/lcVCS -Original Message- From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Richard Gaskin Sent: 12 August 2015 21:31 To: use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Subject: Re: Business Application Framework

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Harrumph! As an Indie license holder, I'm not "serious"? Hmm. Bad choice of words, probably. I'm glad Richmond is stimulating this discussion. Lots of other good comments in this thread. Bill William Prothero http://ed.earthednet.org > On Aug 12, 2015, at 1:15 PM, Richmond wrote: > > Kev

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Matthias Rebbe wrote: >> Am 12.08.2015 um 21:33 schrieb Richard Gaskin: >> >> Kevin Miller wrote: >> > If you want VCS in the Open Source Community or Indy edition, there >> > is already lcVCS out there >> >> Where? > > The only lcVCS i am aware of is the free lcVCS plugin from Monte. You > can d

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On 12/08/15 22:51, Lyn Teyla wrote: Hi all, I agree with many of the posters to this thread thus far that it would appear to be a mistake to offer, at this time, solely with the Business license, additional features such as built-in GIT compatibility, OOP and MVC. I would go one step further

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I don’t completely understand the Business Aoolication Framework. I am talking about the business license version being able to use different versions such as the open source version. Does the open source version have code that people shave contributed to improving that is not part of the paid ve

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