Re: [Unity-design] unity-distilled list proposal

2012-05-04 Thread Thorsten Wilms
On 05/04/2012 06:10 AM, Mark Shuttleworth wrote: I'd like to propose an additional list, unity-distilled, which would be public and unmoderated, but open by invitation only. Thoughts? A list like this without the noise would be very welcome. But a number of people would have to be on both

Re: [Unity-design] unity-distilled list proposal

2012-05-04 Thread supernova
Hi Mark, i've subscribed since few months, sometimes I got a +1, other times I wrote about things already decided. Anyway it was easy to me understand when propose an idea and when jump the conversation. I propose this way: 1) this ml for newbies, onews, oldies, old ideas: that is the primordial so

Re: [Unity-design] Add Dodge Feature Back to Unity

2012-05-04 Thread Marco Biscaro
2012/5/4 Evan Huus > > When designing a large, widely-used project like Unity you have to be > brutally strict about what is allowed in terms of features and options, or > else the project begins to bloat under the weight of hundreds of these > 'little' features and options. It starts being slow,

Re: [Unity-design] Add Dodge Feature Back to Unity

2012-05-04 Thread Evan Huus
On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 8:38 AM, Marco Biscaro wrote: > 2012/5/4 Evan Huus > >> >> When designing a large, widely-used project like Unity you have to be >> brutally strict about what is allowed in terms of features and options, or >> else the project begins to bloat under the weight of hundreds of

Re: [Unity-design] Add Dodge Feature Back to Unity

2012-05-04 Thread shane lee
I do understand the reasoning for dodge removal but shouldn't the usability tests have suggested the problems in the first place? Obviously, removing a feature that has been default for a full release is going to have much more impact than a feature that is wanted but has never been included or is

Re: [Unity-design] unity-distilled list proposal

2012-05-04 Thread shane lee
Isn't public and invite only a bit of a contradiction? If the list publicly viewable but only writeable by invitation then yes, it would be a good iead then those of us who do like to bang on about the same old thing can still view the discussions but take our own thoughts elseware (the "noisy" lis

Re: [Unity-design] Add Dodge Feature Back to Unity

2012-05-04 Thread shane lee
Well I suppose that code does still have be maintained and taken into account regarding other features? On 4 May 2012 04:35, Ryan Gauger wrote: > But I do not see how it is a burden to developers. Why not just leave it > as it was? I just don't understand the burden part. Someone please explain

Re: [Unity-design] unity-distilled list proposal

2012-05-04 Thread Conscious User
Em 04-05-2012 05:36, Thorsten Wilms escreveu: A list like this without the noise would be very welcome. But a number of people would have to be on both lists, then, to see all the input and for seeing who can be invited. That's more load, not less, for at least a selected few who are all suppo

Re: [Unity-design] unity-distilled list proposal

2012-05-04 Thread Mark Shuttleworth
On 03/05/12 23:59, Jo-Erlend Schinstad wrote: > One question, though. What exactly does it mean that it'll be public, > unmoderated and invite-only? If the goal is to enhance the debates, I > think it's important that anyone is able to lurk and learn. I also think > such a list should have very cle

Re: [Unity-design] unity-distilled list proposal

2012-05-04 Thread Mark Shuttleworth
On 04/05/12 06:41, shane lee wrote: > Isn't public and invite only a bit of a contradiction? > If the list publicly viewable but only writeable by invitation then > yes, it would be a good iead then those of us who do like to bang on > about the same old thing can still view the discussions but tak

Re: [Unity-design] unity-distilled list proposal

2012-05-04 Thread shane lee
Although I think it is a good idea there is a concern that genuine thoughts and good ideas of those not invited and posting in the "noisy" list may well go un-noticed and those good ideas be passed over if that list becomes seen as the "whinging" list and stops being read at all by those in the inv

Re: [Unity-design] unity-distilled list proposal

2012-05-04 Thread Omar B .
Hi, Well not sure if its possible on a mailing list but the same problem happens in the forums. So the mods in the ubuntu forums cafe, have created a sub forum called recurring discussions. http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=11 maybe the same can be applied to the "recurring discussi

Re: [Unity-design] unity-distilled list proposal

2012-05-04 Thread Jeremy Nickurak
On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 10:10 PM, Mark Shuttleworth wrote: > Participation there would be predicated on a shared > understanding of our values, goals and modus operandi. This standard does run the risk of becoming insular and self-reinforcing. You have to be very careful that the takeaway message

Re: [Unity-design] unity-distilled list proposal

2012-05-04 Thread Jeremy Bicha
On 4 May 2012 00:10, Mark Shuttleworth wrote: > There's lots of value in having a public, unmoderated list for design > discussions. It's good to have a place where anybody can generate ideas. > And this list is fine for that. I'd like to propose an additional list, > unity-distilled, which would

Re: [Unity-design] there's a bug I want to patch a lot

2012-05-04 Thread Christian Rupp
Am 03.05.2012 20:20, schrieb Pedro Bessa: Hi, If I patch Unity to have no System Setting app icon clutter and return System Settings for Wallpaper, Shutdown etc, will you take a look or definitely reject? Best regards, Pedro Bessz It has been discussed some times I think, I really like this id

Re: [Unity-design] Unity-3D and accessibility

2012-05-04 Thread Alan Bell
On 04/05/12 16:39, Nadine Ledwig wrote: Hello, I'm highly sight impaired, and the last two years, I was used to use ubuntu 10.4 with orca and the compiz plugins eZoom-Desktop and negativeplugin. Now, i installed ubuntu 12.04 on my desktop and I've some problems. In unity-2d, dash and loun

Re: [Unity-design] unity-distilled list proposal

2012-05-04 Thread Michael Hall
You don't have to agree with the decisions, you just have to accept that a decision was made even if you disagree with it, and respect the fact that someone had to make that decision knowing that it wouldn't please everybody, which is never easy. Michael Hall mhall...@ubuntu.com On 05/04/2012 10

Re: [Unity-design] unity-distilled list proposal

2012-05-04 Thread shane lee
I think it is more about promoting constructive debate/discussion. Who decides what is constructive and how is another matter... On 4 May 2012 18:47, Jeremy Bicha wrote: > On 4 May 2012 00:10, Mark Shuttleworth wrote: > > There's lots of value in having a public, unmoderated list for design > >

Re: [Unity-design] unity-distilled list proposal

2012-05-04 Thread Jamu Kakar
Hi, On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 3:09 PM, shane lee wrote: > I think it is more about promoting constructive debate/discussion. > Who decides what is constructive and how is another matter... For decisions that have been made, and for which it is clear that there's no going back, the debate is just no