Re: [ubuntu-uk] The problem with Bug #1

John Oliver wrote: > If you're in education trying to teach children to word process it simply > isn't faesable to try to explain the difference between proprietary > and open-source software etc and then to get them to make a choice. I think the notion of software freedom is absolutely the sort o

Re: [ubuntu-uk] The problem with Bug #1

Pete wrote: > > On 09/05/13 22:30, SuperEngineer wrote: > >On 09/05/13 22:18, Sean Miller wrote: > >>If you extended this to the open market as a whole, then every > >>washing machine should have alternative operating systems. > >> > >>No, it's not something I subscribe to. > >> > >>If a "manufact

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Packard Bell, what wonderful support!

Agreed, in principle. However there are issues which prevent me from doing this. Not something I can go into and as I've said before the backups I do have aren't made in such a way that they could be useable as is if my laptop were unusable for some reason. On 10/05/13 07:43, Colin Law wrote:

Re: [ubuntu-uk] The problem with Bug #1

Hi John On 10 May 2013 00:09, John Oliver wrote: > I suppose it depends what's available on the platform. Looking at schools > and colleges on the UK the vast majority run Windows XP or 7. That's not > necessarily because of the technical staff who are often perfectly capable > of using and mana

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Packard Bell, what wonderful support!

Gareth France wrote: > Agreed, in principle. However there are issues which prevent me from > doing this. Not something I can go into and as I've said before the > backups I do have aren't made in such a way that they could be > useable as is if my laptop were unusable for some reason. This would

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Packard Bell, what wonderful support!

On 10/05/13 09:28, Avi Greenbury wrote: Gareth France wrote: Agreed, in principle. However there are issues which prevent me from doing this. Not something I can go into and as I've said before the backups I do have aren't made in such a way that they could be useable as is if my laptop were unu

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Packard Bell, what wonderful support!

On 10 May 2013 09:51, Gareth France wrote: > Sorry? You don't seem to understand what I'm saying. No I don't trust my > data with a stranger, that's one of the reasons I won't send the hard drive > off. I already have a server to back up to, it's the good internet > connection I lack. And why wou

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Packard Bell, what wonderful support!

On 10 May 2013 09:51, Gareth France wrote: > On 10/05/13 09:28, Avi Greenbury wrote: >> >> Gareth France wrote: >>> >>> Agreed, in principle. However there are issues which prevent me from >>> doing this. Not something I can go into and as I've said before the >>> backups I do have aren't made in

Re: [ubuntu-uk] The problem with Bug #1

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/05/13 23:04, SuperEngineer wrote: > just one final word (sentence)- my word "educate" was deliberate... > get the kids using Linux, let them think it's 'normal'. I'm sure my boys' response to that would be "Why, isn't it?" JT - -- - --

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Packard Bell, what wonderful support!

On 10 May 2013 10:01, Sean Miller wrote: > Also, regarding 0845 a simple Google search pulls up this website > http://www.weq4u.co.uk/ which allows you to call a landline number (0333 > 5432111) and then when it answers type in an 0845 number and it'll > connect... so it isn't exactly rocket scie

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Packard Bell, what wonderful support!

Why don't you mount your hard drive as an external one on your desktop PC (as you are suggesting you will do whilst the laptop is away) and then copy the data directly onto the fixed hard drive on that PC... then re-install the Windows OS that was on the Packard Bell and send it to them wit

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Packard Bell, what wonderful support!

On 10/05/13 10:05, Sean Miller wrote: On 10 May 2013 10:01, Sean Miller > wrote: Also, regarding 0845 a simple Google search pulls up this website http://www.weq4u.co.uk/ which allows you to call a landline number (0333 5432111) and then when it answers ty

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Packard Bell, what wonderful support!

On 10 May 2013 10:09, Gareth France wrote: > Why don't you mount your hard drive as an external one on your desktop PC > (as you are suggesting you will do whilst the laptop is away) and then copy > the data directly onto the fixed hard drive on that PC... then re-install > the Windows OS that wa

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Packard Bell, what wonderful support!

On 10 May 2013 10:12, Gareth France wrote: > I haven't found any reasons for them not to help me. The issue mostly is > with the phone numbers, where many companies use these non-geographic > numbers, creating a barrier between them and some of their customers. It > really does wind me up and th

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Packard Bell, what wonderful support!

On 10 May 2013 10:12, Gareth France wrote: > I haven't found any reasons for them not to help me. The issue mostly is > with the phone numbers, where many companies use these non-geographic > numbers, creating a barrier between them and some of their customers. It > really does wind me up and th

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Packard Bell, what wonderful support!

On 10/05/13 10:22, Sean Miller wrote: On 10 May 2013 10:12, Gareth France > wrote: I haven't found any reasons for them not to help me. The issue mostly is with the phone numbers, where many companies use these non-geographic numbers, creating a barrie

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Packard Bell, what wonderful support!

On 09/05/13 12:14, Gareth France wrote: I don't have anything 500gb in size to do a full backup onto and I'm not comfortable handing out my business' data at all. I am confident a hard disk would not cause an overheating issue like I am experiencing and even if it did then that can be addressed o

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Packard Bell, what wonderful support!

On 10/05/13 10:36, Alan Pope wrote: On 09/05/13 12:14, Gareth France wrote: I don't have anything 500gb in size to do a full backup onto and I'm not comfortable handing out my business' data at all. I am confident a hard disk would not cause an overheating issue like I am experiencing and even i

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Packard Bell, what wonderful support!

On 10 May 2013 10:40, Gareth France wrote: > After the way you spoke to me last time Alan, I'd rather run over my hard > drive with my car! Rude was not the word. > Watch out, Alan, you'll be the next subject of his blog ;-) That seemed a very kind gesture to me... Sean -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubu

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Packard Bell, what wonderful support!

On 10/05/13 10:40, Gareth France wrote: > On 10/05/13 10:36, Alan Pope wrote: >> On 09/05/13 12:14, Gareth France wrote: >>> I don't have anything 500gb in size to do a full backup onto and I'm >>> not >>> comfortable handing out my business' data at all. I am confident a hard >>> disk would not ca

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Packard Bell, what wonderful support!

On 10/05/13 10:45, Sean Miller wrote: On 10 May 2013 10:40, Gareth France > wrote: After the way you spoke to me last time Alan, I'd rather run over my hard drive with my car! Rude was not the word. Watch out, Alan, you'll be the next subject of his blog

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Packard Bell, what wonderful support!

On 10/05/13 10:40, Gareth France wrote: After the way you spoke to me last time Alan, I'd rather run over my hard drive with my car! Rude was not the word. Ok, so at this point I have numerous reply options available to me. They are varied in their approach however I'm choosing to go with the

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Packard Bell, what wonderful support!

On 10/05/13 10:46, Laura Czajkowski wrote: On 10/05/13 10:40, Gareth France wrote: On 10/05/13 10:36, Alan Pope wrote: On 09/05/13 12:14, Gareth France wrote: I don't have anything 500gb in size to do a full backup onto and I'm not comfortable handing out my business' data at all. I am confide

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Packard Bell, what wonderful support!

On 10 May 2013 10:47, Gareth France wrote: > Sean, perhaps it's a little unfair to judge the outcome of a > conversation you didn't witness. Perhaps it's time all this was put to bed. > It's not getting anyone anywhere. > If you want to hold a grudge about something that has happened in the pas

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Packard Bell, what wonderful support!

On 10/05/13 10:48, Alan Pope wrote: On 10/05/13 10:40, Gareth France wrote: After the way you spoke to me last time Alan, I'd rather run over my hard drive with my car! Rude was not the word. Ok, so at this point I have numerous reply options available to me. They are varied in their approac

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Packard Bell, what wonderful support!

On 10/05/2013 10:36, Alan Pope wrote: On 09/05/13 12:14, Gareth France wrote: I don't have anything 500gb in size to do a full backup onto and I'm not comfortable handing out my business' data at all. I am confident a hard disk would not cause an overheating issue like I am experiencing and even

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Packard Bell, what wonderful support!

And whilst I do not doubt your IT ability, I would question your wisdom in not having any backups of your system -- as others have suggested, the next time you get paid by a customer I would go out and buy yourself a couple of external hard drives to back up onto. These are legitimate busi

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Packard Bell, what wonderful support!

On 10/05/13 10:57, Kurtis wrote: On 10/05/2013 10:36, Alan Pope wrote: On 09/05/13 12:14, Gareth France wrote: I don't have anything 500gb in size to do a full backup onto and I'm not comfortable handing out my business' data at all. I am confident a hard disk would not cause an overheating is

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Packard Bell, what wonderful support!

On 10/05/13 10:46, Laura Czajkowski wrote: > Alan Bell has offered to give you a harddrive for free, and to keep to > help you get out of this issue. You could at least show some manners > by saying thank you! Laura bah I meant Alan Pope - shall stick to using Alan. More often than not I'll be ri

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Packard Bell, what wonderful support!

On 10 May 2013 11:05, Laura Czajkowski wrote: > bah I meant Alan Pope - shall stick to using Alan. More often than not > I'll be right then :) > Always the best option :-) Sean -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/

[ubuntu-uk] vUDS 14-16 May online

Aloha That time is fast approaching again - Next week is the 2nd virtual UDS (vUDS) - http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1305/ It is open to anyone and everyone, sessions are online, not just on air, there are irc channels to watch discussions and you have a voice too. Everyone is encouraged to take pa

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Packard Bell, what wonderful support!

On 10 May 2013 10:57, Gareth France wrote: > > I'm sorry if I come across a bit harsh sometimes but that conversation > really did baffle me, I left feeling rather hurt. No, you do not come across as harsh at all. You come across as foolish*, bolshie, uncooperative, unprofessional and seriously

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Packard Bell, what wonderful support!

On 10/05/13 12:58, Liam Proven wrote: On 10 May 2013 10:57, Gareth France wrote: I'm sorry if I come across a bit harsh sometimes but that conversation really did baffle me, I left feeling rather hurt. No, you do not come across as harsh at all. You come across as foolish*, bolshie, uncoopera

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Packard Bell, what wonderful support!

On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 12:59 PM, Gareth France wrote: > Really? What have I said about console repairs during the course of this > thread exactly? I think Liam was referring to the fact you said you were an "IT technician" at first. You only mentioned repairing consoles about two hours ago. -n

[ubuntu-uk] enough folks

I think this thread has gone about as far as it needs to, and then a bit further. Lets move on and talk about something else now. Alan. -- Libertus Solutions http://libertus.co.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/

Re: [ubuntu-uk] enough folks

On 10/05/13 13:09, Alan Bell wrote: I think this thread has gone about as far as it needs to, and then a bit further. Lets move on and talk about something else now. Alan. No, it's gone about 24 hours further than it needs to. I think I created a monster. Thanks for stepping in. -- ubuntu-u

Re: [ubuntu-uk] enough folks

On 10/05/13 13:09, Alan Bell wrote: I think this thread has gone about as far as it needs to, and then a bit further. Lets move on and talk about something else now. +1 How about Mono ;-) Al -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubun

Re: [ubuntu-uk] enough folks

What thread? Whichever one you're talking about, by changing the subject line you've broken the thread ;-) -- Tony Scott http://tonyscott.org.uk | http://savetvc.co.uk On 10 May 2013 13:11, Alan Lord wrote: > On 10/05/13 13:09, Alan Bell wrote: >> >> I think this thread has gone about as far a

Re: [ubuntu-uk] enough folks

Tony Scott wrote: > What thread? > > Whichever one you're talking about, by changing the subject line > you've broken the thread ;-) Ah, sounds like we're onto a mail client argument :) -- Avi -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubunt

Re: [ubuntu-uk] enough folks

On 10/05/13 13:15, Tony Scott wrote: What thread? Whichever one you're talking about, by changing the subject line you've broken the thread ;-) -- Tony Scott http://tonyscott.org.uk | http://savetvc.co.uk On 10 May 2013 13:11, Alan Lord wrote: On 10/05/13 13:09, Alan Bell wrote: I think th

Re: [ubuntu-uk] enough folks

actually most modern email clients will use the In-Reply-To: header field of my mail which points to the messageID of the previous email and as a result preserves the thread structure, certainly works in thunderbird, and mailman https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/2013-May/thread.html

Re: [ubuntu-uk] enough folks

Gmail doesn't do it correctly, I'm afraid! Sound like a thread I want to stay clear of, anyway! Cheers -- Tony Scott http://tonyscott.org.uk | http://savetvc.co.uk On 10 May 2013 13:19, Alan Bell wrote: > actually most modern email clients will use the > In-Reply-To: > > header field of my m

[ubuntu-uk] Cranky old Rhythmbox

Hi, I find that in 13.04 (though not as far as I can recall, previously), it is impossible to leave Rhythmbox running after use, ie for instance having played an album to leave it running and an hour later to try to play another one. It goes berzerk. Most usually it will skip through tracks a

Re: [ubuntu-uk] enough folks

On 10 May 2013 13:19, Alan Bell wrote: > actually most modern email clients will use the > In-Reply-To: > > header field of my mail which points to the messageID of the previous email > and as a result preserves the thread structure, certainly works in > thunderbird, and mailman > https://lists.u

Re: [ubuntu-uk] enough folks

Just to explain I (and I suspect many others) use Gmail as I need to be able to access my mail via multiple devices (some of which are not mine!) and at different locations. -- Tony Scott http://tonyscott.org.uk | http://savetvc.co.uk On 10 May 2013 13:38, Liam Proven wrote: > On 10 May 2013 13

Re: [ubuntu-uk] enough folks

On 10 May 2013 13:45, Tony Scott wrote: > Just to explain I (and I suspect many others) use Gmail as I need to > be able to access my mail via multiple devices (some of which are not > mine!) and at different locations. So do I, as my email address will show you. By the way, it bottom-quotes jus

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Cranky old Rhythmbox

On 10/05/13 13:33, Rowan Berkeley wrote: I find that in 13.04 (though not as far as I can recall, previously), it is impossible to leave Rhythmbox running after use, ie for instance having played an album to leave it running and an hour later to try to play another one. It goes berzerk. Most usu

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Cranky old Rhythmbox

On 10/05/13 13:55, Alan Pope wrote: On 10/05/13 13:33, Rowan Berkeley wrote: I find that in 13.04 (though not as far as I can recall, previously), it is impossible to leave Rhythmbox running after use, ie for instance having played an album to leave it running and an hour later to try to play a

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Cranky old Rhythmbox

Just while I install it and vlc, it is time to ask the usual silly question... So do forgive me! Have you got the latest version from http://ftp.acc.umu.se/pub/GNOME/sources/rhythmbox/ I'm a VLC fan, but have had rhythmbox running well in the past with a large library. Regards, Phill. P.S. this

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Cranky old Rhythmbox

According to that ftp page, 2.99 was the last version they made before they stopped, evidently imagining it was as perfect as it could ever be. I assume that's what I've got, because I assume that's what's delivered in the complete Ubuntu 13.04 64-bit ISO, which is what I have installed. On 10

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Cranky old Rhythmbox

13.04 has installed 2.98 have a check on 'help --> about" Regards, Phill On 10 May 2013 14:42, Rowan Berkeley wrote: > According to that ftp page, 2.99 was the last version they made before > they stopped, evidently imagining it was as perfect as it could ever be. I > assume that's what I've

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Cranky old Rhythmbox

H'mm. I've also tried reinstalling from the repository, using Synaptic, and it doesn't make any difference, and looking at it, the thing in the repository is also 2.98. But if I was to download 2.99 from the FTP page you indicated, wouldn't I have to do all the configuration manually? That woul

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Cranky old Rhythmbox

I use gmail, so it all appears in the correct order to me. I believe there is a seperate thread on the way email clients work. As Rhythmbox is searching my music collection, I don't want to stress the computer out too much - It's using 100% of one of my two CPU's. I'll have a look at what is need

Re: [ubuntu-uk] The problem with Bug #1

On 10 May 2013 10:02, James Tait wrote: > > On 09/05/13 23:04, SuperEngineer wrote: > > just one final word (sentence)- my word "educate" was deliberate... > > get the kids using Linux, let them think it's 'normal'. > > I'm sure my boys' response to that would be "Why, isn't it?" > > JT > Kids a

Re: [ubuntu-uk] The problem with Bug #1

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10/05/13 15:59, Byte Soup wrote: > On 10 May 2013 10:02, James Tait > wrote: > > On 09/05/13 23:04, SuperEngineer wrote: >> just one final word (sentence)- my word "educate" was >> deliberate... get the kids using

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Cranky old Rhythmbox

Top- posting because the rest of the thread is... I have rhythmbox running fine in 13.04, with 6000+ tracks (not sure how many albums). I've had it open since I booted, about 2 weeks ago. I suspend every night too. Plays fine, although I have seen problems like those mentioned previously. Neil.

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Cranky old Rhythmbox

Well, like I said, I've got three machines, all set up identically with vanilla 13.04 64-bit ISO from the same USB stick, and AFAICS it only happens on one of them, which unfortunately is my favourite, an old Lenovo N500 with a really comfortable touchpad. Rhythmbox cannot play two albums in su

Re: [ubuntu-uk] The problem with Bug #1

And yet regrettably the IT teachers are stuck on one system, bound by the equipment provided, and the IT support who usually run the network as well. The brighter ones will get the concept but many simply don't (or won't) understand and will end up more confused. I've been volunteering recently

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Cranky old Rhythmbox

Hi, I have installed Rythmbox and realised quickly why I do not use it. I did mention of my preference for VLC. Well, Rythmbox has scoured my hard drives for about two hours and found nothing. At this point. with you stating that 2.99 is their final release and it does now seem to be abandonware,

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Cranky old Rhythmbox

Enjoying ELO on VLC, thank you for reminding me about media players, P.S. I downloaded this from utube... very naughty.. But every one should have a bit of ELO in their life. 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phA_Jw0Q0co Regards, Phill. On 10 May 2013 21:18, Phill Whiteside wrote: > Hi, > >

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Saucy Salamander testing ....

On 09/05/13 08:03, Alan Pope wrote: I would recommend you jump on freenode irc and chat to the desktop developers. #ubuntu-desktop is a good place to start. However #ubuntu+1 is the "official" support channel for the next release Thanks for all the suggestions. I'm not much of an irc person -

Re: [ubuntu-uk] The problem with Bug #1

On May 10, 2013 8:33 PM, "John Oliver" wrote: > > John Oliver > > PS: I do rather like excel as a program even if some functions are hidden away in that tabular view. If on Windows and it was installed alongside LibreOffice I would likely choose Excel. I use LibreOffice at home. > > PPS: I'm also

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Saucy Salamander testing ....

As a part of updating our classroom sessions[1] we will be inviting people into both the testing and release teams. A lot of work actually happens there in terms of priotising bugs etc. Instead of 'complaining' about things on an email list please file a bug. Simply put? The devs do not read ubunt

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Saucy Salamander testing ....

On 10/05/13 21:53, Phill Whiteside wrote: As a part of updating our classroom sessions[1] we will be inviting people into both the testing and release teams. A lot of work actually happens there in terms of priotising bugs etc. Instead of 'complaining' about things on an email list please file

Re: [ubuntu-uk] The problem with Bug #1

Thanks - I'll have a look at those :) Regards, John Oliver On 10 May 2013, at 21:36, Muñiz Piniella, Andrés wrote: > > On May 10, 2013 8:33 PM, "John Oliver" wrote: > > > > > John Oliver > > > > PS: I do rather like excel as a program even if some functions are hidden > > away in that tabu

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Saucy Salamander testing ....

Hi Barry, I am very sorry if I came across as 'harsh'. I have followed this thread, but it really belongs on the -testing email system. I see that at least of one of the release team have responded as to where to correctly file a bug. With no dis respect to this LoCo, bugs should reported as such

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Saucy Salamander testing ....

On 10/05/13 22:29, Phill Whiteside wrote: I am very sorry if I came across as 'harsh'. I have followed this thread, but it really belongs on the -testing email system. I see that at least of one of the release team have responded as to where to correctly file a bug. No, this bug is not report