On Sun, 2008-12-28 at 10:04 +, Tim Hawkins wrote:
> while there are tools like unetbootin that can create an image from an
> iso, they are a pain to use.
And in my experience, they don't work. I've tried UNetBootin, the thing
in the System -> Administration menu, and USB Image Writer (the w
Chris Cheney wrote:
> Windows is a DVD now
> MacOS is a DVD as well
>
> Perhaps its time to move the default Ubuntu release to a DVD also. ;-)
> If I remember correctly the main reason it hasn't been so far is due to
> distribution issues as a DVD is 4.5GiB vs 700MiB for a CD. Thus it would
> take
Fedora 10 provides a USB disk image, which can just be DD'd onto a
blank key.
With the rapid rise in the numbers of compact netbooks with no
optical media readers included, perhaps this makes more sense, most
machines now will boot from a usb key.
while there are tools like unetbootin that
Connecting and transferring data online during an offline media
install is not an expected activity, it is the kind of
"phone home" activity that is derided of other OS's such as Microsoft
windows. It is especially
bad given that the user does not know its going to happen, and does
not know w
Olá Mackenzie e a todos.
On Tuesday 30 December 2008 14:20:12 Mackenzie Morgan wrote:
> Very confusing...this email totally lacked linebreaks when I viewed it
> in Evolution, but when I reply, there apparently are linebreaks.
> Evolution does freaky things sometimes.
I see the same on Kmail.
Hotm
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Mackenzie Morgan wrote:
> Very confusing...this email totally lacked linebreaks when I viewed it
> in Evolution, but when I reply, there apparently are linebreaks.
> Evolution does freaky things sometimes.
>
> On Mon, 2008-12-29 at 19:53 +, Richar
Very confusing...this email totally lacked linebreaks when I viewed it
in Evolution, but when I reply, there apparently are linebreaks.
Evolution does freaky things sometimes.
On Mon, 2008-12-29 at 19:53 +, Richard Tattersall wrote:
> Is it not possible to release cd images with a default lang
On Mon, 2008-12-29 at 19:53 +, Richard Tattersall wrote:
> I dont feel that the time is quite right to move to having the default
> release as a DVD.
Why not have more than one default release? Ok it sounds tricky but if
the DVD release is simply a superset of the CD it should not be much
mo
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later" > Subject: Re: You lost a new Ubuntu user>
From: cche...@ubuntu.com> To: m...@jump-ing.de> Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 22:24:28
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2008/12/29 Dotan Cohen :
> 2008/12/29 Peteris Krisjanis :
>> Cost of printing DVD is equal of CDs (as far as I know), so I think
>> the right way to solve this is to offer to buy or order for free (like
>> ship it) DVD instead of CD (but leaving CD also as a choice). Also I
>> would suggest to have
Dotan Cohen wrote:
> 2008/12/29 Peteris Krisjanis :
>
>> Cost of printing DVD is equal of CDs (as far as I know), so I think
>> the right way to solve this is to offer to buy or order for free (like
>> ship it) DVD instead of CD (but leaving CD also as a choice). Also I
>> would suggest to have
2008/12/29 Peteris Krisjanis :
> Cost of printing DVD is equal of CDs (as far as I know), so I think
> the right way to solve this is to offer to buy or order for free (like
> ship it) DVD instead of CD (but leaving CD also as a choice). Also I
> would suggest to have monthly or three-monthly CDs w
>
> With respect of the cost of pressed CDs vs DVDs for shipit, I don't know
> how much they cost. However, some newspapers in the UK give away DVDs
> with their newspapers, of course they may be advertising subsidized to
> offset the cost.
>
Cost of printing DVD is equal of CDs (as far as I know)
On Sun, 2008-12-28 at 12:03 +0100, Markus Hitter wrote:
> Am 28.12.2008 um 07:49 schrieb Chris Cheney:
>
> > Thus it would take a very long time to download for a large
> > percentage of the world. Although perhaps this is not as big an
> > issue since many places have a bandwidth cap as well
Chris wrote:
> Remember the free ship-it program though!
> (It takes forever to get my CDs though, and I'm in FL!)
> I don't think they ship outside the US though...
It shipped me the CD to one of the interior part of India in 5 weeks and
a coastal region in 3 weeks.
SHIPIT rocks!
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2008/12/28 Chris :
> Do you think if Ubuntu did go to DVD format, will shipit still, ship?
>
How much shit will shipit ship, if shipit still ships shit?
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2008/12/28 Chris :
> Remember the free ship-it program though!
> (It takes forever to get my CDs though, and I'm in FL!)
> I don't think they ship outside the US though...
>
They shipped to me in Israel.
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On Sun, Dec 28, 2008 at 2:40 PM, Mackenzie Morgan wrote:
> On Sat, 2008-12-27 at 13:30 +, richard wrote:
>> On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 08:30:52 +
>> Ian Lynch wrote:
>>
>> Big snip and a merry Christmas to you all.
>> I've been watching this thread and the one thing that has been missed
>> and i
On Sun, 2008-12-28 at 12:03 +0100, Markus Hitter wrote:
> Am 28.12.2008 um 07:49 schrieb Chris Cheney:
>
> > Thus it would take a very long time to download for a large
> > percentage of the world. Although perhaps this is not as big an
> > issue since many places have a bandwidth cap as well
Am 28.12.2008 um 07:49 schrieb Chris Cheney:
> Thus it would take a very long time to download for a large
> percentage of the world. Although perhaps this is not as big an
> issue since many places have a bandwidth cap as well so people
> wouldn't be downloading the image in the first plac
On Sun, Dec 28, 2008 at 03:03:39AM -0500, Chris wrote:
> Remember the free ship-it program though!
> (It takes forever to get my CDs though, and I'm in FL!)
> I don't think they ship outside the US though...
Happily ships to me in the UK (from the Netherlands or Germany, can never
remember which,
Do you think if Ubuntu did go to DVD format, will shipit still, ship?
On Sun, Dec 28, 2008 at 3:15 AM, Mackenzie Morgan wrote:
> On Sun, 2008-12-28 at 03:03 -0500, Chris wrote:
> > Remember the free ship-it program though!
> > (It takes forever to get my CDs though, and I'm in FL!)
> > I don't t
On Sun, 2008-12-28 at 03:03 -0500, Chris wrote:
> Remember the free ship-it program though!
> (It takes forever to get my CDs though, and I'm in FL!)
> I don't think they ship outside the US though...
Er...don't they ship from Denmark?
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Remember the free ship-it program though!
(It takes forever to get my CDs though, and I'm in FL!)
I don't think they ship outside the US though...
On Sun, Dec 28, 2008 at 1:49 AM, Chris Cheney wrote:
> On Sat, 2008-12-27 at 16:47 +, richard wrote:
> <-snip->
> > He knows that if he buys a co
On Sat, 2008-12-27 at 16:47 +, richard wrote:
<-snip->
> He knows that if he buys a copy of windows 1 CD maybe 2
<-snip->
Windows is a DVD now
MacOS is a DVD as well
Perhaps its time to move the default Ubuntu release to a DVD also. ;-)
If I remember correctly the main reason it hasn't been s
On Sat, 2008-12-27 at 16:47 +, richard wrote:
> Mr average user is capable of reading, he/she is reasonably web
> literate, their knowledge is a bit greater than their kids. and as
> such there is no excuse for not knowing the size and capacity of a CD.
/me giggles madly
Just what planet are
On Sat, 2008-12-27 at 13:30 +, richard wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 08:30:52 +
> Ian Lynch wrote:
>
> Big snip and a merry Christmas to you all.
> I've been watching this thread and the one thing that has been missed
> and it doesn't matter what the Intelligence of the user is like.
>
>
On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 16:47:39 +
richard wrote:
> On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 17:51:41 +0200
> "Dotan Cohen" wrote:
>
> > 2008/12/27 richard :
> > > But if some one gives you a CD saying this is a complete distro,
> > > surely no matter how thicK you are you must realise that a
> > > complete distro
On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 17:51:41 +0200
"Dotan Cohen" wrote:
> 2008/12/27 richard :
> > But if some one gives you a CD saying this is a complete distro,
> > surely no matter how thicK you are you must realise that a complete
> > distro can not fit on a 700Mb CD, therefore there is more to be
> > loade
nergar ha scritto:
> This is getting out of proportion. Ubuntu should NOT ask if it is ok to
> get updates. We are trying to run a "Linux for human beings" distro and
> if we start taking steps in this direction, we might as well ask for
> permission to connect when opening firefox. The last thi
2008/12/27 Nils Kassube :
> OK, the answers above are made-up but I think they match the audience in
> question.
>
++Nils
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Dotan Cohen wrote:
> 2008/12/27 richard :
> > But if some one gives you a CD saying this is a complete distro,
> > surely no matter how thicK you are you must realise that a complete
> > distro can not fit on a 700Mb CD, therefore there is more to be
> > loaded, and when it sets up the inet connect
2008/12/27 richard :
> But if some one gives you a CD saying this is a complete distro, surely
> no matter how thicK you are you must realise that a complete distro can
> not fit on a 700Mb CD, therefore there is more to be loaded, and when
> it sets up the inet connection it should be obvious that
Ian Lynch wrote:
>
> Depends on whether you are talking about people on this list or an
> average user. I bet 90% of computer users would not know what would and
> would not fit on a CD.
>
+1
Not everyone is tech-savvy, additionally Ubuntu was never meant *only*
for tech-savvy people, its Linux
On Sat, 2008-12-27 at 13:30 +, richard wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 08:30:52 +
> Ian Lynch wrote:
>
> Big snip and a merry Christmas to you all.
> I've been watching this thread and the one thing that has been missed
> and it doesn't matter what the Intelligence of the user is like.
>
>
On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 08:30:52 +
Ian Lynch wrote:
Big snip and a merry Christmas to you all.
I've been watching this thread and the one thing that has been missed
and it doesn't matter what the Intelligence of the user is like.
But if some one gives you a CD saying this is a complete distro, s
2008/12/27 Manish Sinha :
> Yesterday I installed Intrepid on my desktop. I plugged out all network
> cables before installing and was hoping to get an error box or a hanged
> screen at 82%. Guess what happened? The installer just skipped the step
> and didn't stop at 82%. I felt really happy with
Remco wrote:
> Come to think of it, what happens with the current installer if a user
> chooses such a language without an internet connection? Will it just
> hang? Will it install software without a language?
>
>
Yesterday I installed Intrepid on my desktop. I plugged out all network
cables be
On Fri, 2008-12-26 at 01:43 -0600, nergar wrote:
> YES, we should disable OS updates by default for "n00bs" just because a
> paranoid user made a comment. Very intelligent.
Watch your attitude, please.
Nobody suggested that. They're saying it should default to installing
security updates and la
, this is not a bad thing, in my opinion people should only MAKE THEM
CHOICES!!!
Ubuntu system should ask them!!!
Best regards and have a nice year to everyone!
Gianfranco
Da: Manish Sinha
A: ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com
Inviato: Venerdì 26 dicembre 2
On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 8:44 PM, Remco wrote:
> The only things that Ubiquity gets from the internet, are certain
> language packs. So let's make it really easy: if such a language is
> chosen, a message will appear (not a popup, but a message at the
> bottom of the screen) that reads "You need an
The only things that Ubiquity gets from the internet, are certain
language packs. So let's make it really easy: if such a language is
chosen, a message will appear (not a popup, but a message at the
bottom of the screen) that reads "You need an internet connection to
install this language.".
Remco
nergar wrote:
> Tim Hawkins wrote:
>> Connecting and transferring data online during an offline media install
>> is not an expected activity,
>
> No? why not? Its just getting updates!>
exactly!
it is the kind of
>> "phone home" activity that is derided of other OS's such as Microsoft
>> wi
On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 08:55:42AM +0100, Milosz Derezynski wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 8:43 AM, nergar wrote:
>
> > YES, we should disable OS updates by default for "n00bs" just because a
> > paranoid user made a comment. Very intelligent.
> >
>
>
> Now you're being paranoid.
>
> No one
2008/12/26 Manish Sinha :
> Sorry, I don't agree. If network cable being plugged in means consent, then
> what is the difference between installer and a malware?
>
From the user's point of view, there is no difference. Since when has
malware made it clear that it is malicious? That was a rather n
2008/12/26 nergar :
> If such a thing is implemented, it should be checked by default and
> hidden in the Advanced settings dialog. Unexperienced users should get
> security updates by default.
>
1) The installer is not getting security updates, it is getting language packs.
2) Otherwise agreed. I
2008/12/26 nergar :
> This is getting out of proportion. Ubuntu should NOT ask if it is ok to
> get updates. We are trying to run a "Linux for human beings" distro and
> if we start taking steps in this direction, we might as well ask for
> permission to connect when opening firefox. The last thing
On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 9:52 AM, Dotan Cohen wrote:
>
> Agreed. Our only difference of opinion is whether or not a concerned
> user should take a bit of responsibility himself.
>
Yes, but saying "We could offer you the option, but simply won't, so instead
you have to pull the cable" is not
the n
2008/12/26 HggdH :
> Le Thursday 25 December 2008 à 22:40 +0200, Dotan Cohen a écrit :
>> 2008/12/25 Manish Sinha :
>> > I again repeat the above line since bandwidth is one of the two main
>> > issues, first being the installer connecting to the internet without
>> > user's consent.
>> >
>>
>> Hav
On Fri, 2008-12-26 at 12:50 +0530, Manish Sinha wrote:
> Now you missed out the second point of this discussion. People should
> know that their internet connection is going to be used. Why?
bandwidth
> is costly in many parts of the world esp developing countries. A few
> MB's also means a lot
Milosz Derezynski wrote:
>
> No one said something about disabling it by default, it's merely about
> bringing it
> to the user's attention that it will happen, and, since it's useful in
> some cases (because
> of internet traffic limitations), and prudent in others (because
> people are wary
nergar wrote:
> YES, we should disable OS updates by default for "n00bs" just because
> a paranoid user made a comment. Very intelligent.
Disable updates? Who said so?
I agree that Peter Henderson went too far and dumped Ubuntu, but I agree
that downloading updates needs a consent and the checkbo
On Thu, 2008-12-25 at 23:29 -0600, nergar wrote:
> This is getting out of proportion. Ubuntu should NOT ask if it is ok to
> get updates. We are trying to run a "Linux for human beings" distro and
> if we start taking steps in this direction, we might as well ask for
> permission to connect when
On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 8:43 AM, nergar wrote:
> YES, we should disable OS updates by default for "n00bs" just because a
> paranoid user made a comment. Very intelligent.
>
Now you're being paranoid.
No one said something about disabling it by default, it's merely about
bringing it
to the user
YES, we should disable OS updates by default for "n00bs" just because a
paranoid user made a comment. Very intelligent.
Manish Sinha wrote:
> nergar wrote:
>> If such a thing is implemented, it should be checked by default and
>> hidden in the Advanced settings dialog. Unexperienced users should
On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 7:35 AM, nergar wrote:
>
> Tim Hawkins wrote:
> > Connecting and transferring data online during an offline media install
> > is not an expected activity,
>
> No? why not? Its just getting updates!
>
It doesn't really matter what "it" *is* "just" doing, what (only) matter
nergar wrote:
> If such a thing is implemented, it should be checked by default and
> hidden in the Advanced settings dialog. Unexperienced users should get
> security updates by default.
>
>
Sounds like "Windows Update" which is enabled by default, it even
quietly connects to the internet in
Chris wrote:
> When Ubuntu first starts up, a GNOME notification pop up that you are
> connected to the Internet, so you should assume that there's going to
> be downloading involved.
How can one assume that connecting to the internet implicitly means
*downloading involved* ? When one has an ins
nergar wrote:
> This is getting out of proportion. Ubuntu should NOT ask if it is ok to
> get updates. We are trying to run a "Linux for human beings" distro and
> if we start taking steps in this direction, we might as well ask for
> permission to connect when opening firefox. The last thing we
Dotan Cohen wrote:
> 2008/12/25 Manish Sinha :
>
>> I again repeat the above line since bandwidth is one of the two main
>> issues, first being the installer connecting to the internet without
>> user's consent.
>>
>>
>
> Having the network cable plugged in implies consent. If you don't wan
If such a thing is implemented, it should be checked by default and
hidden in the Advanced settings dialog. Unexperienced users should get
security updates by default.
Chris wrote:
> I agree that a checkbox should be implemented.
> Think it'll be ready in Jaunty? =P
>
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Tim Hawkins wrote:
> Connecting and transferring data online during an offline media install
> is not an expected activity,
No? why not? Its just getting updates!
it is the kind of
> "phone home" activity that is derided of other OS's such as Microsoft
> windows.
I think the problem with Mi
I agree that a checkbox should be implemented.
Think it'll be ready in Jaunty? =P
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When Ubuntu first starts up, a GNOME notification pop up that you are
connected to the Internet, so you should assume that there's going to be
downloading involved.
On Thu, Dec 25, 2008 at 9:55 PM, HggdH wrote:
> Le Thursday 25 December 2008 à 22:40 +0200, Dotan Cohen a écrit :
> > 2008/12/25 Ma
This is getting out of proportion. Ubuntu should NOT ask if it is ok to
get updates. We are trying to run a "Linux for human beings" distro and
if we start taking steps in this direction, we might as well ask for
permission to connect when opening firefox. The last thing we need are
more dialog
Le Thursday 25 December 2008 à 22:40 +0200, Dotan Cohen a écrit :
> 2008/12/25 Manish Sinha :
> > I again repeat the above line since bandwidth is one of the two main
> > issues, first being the installer connecting to the internet without
> > user's consent.
> >
>
> Having the network cable plugg
2008/12/25 Manish Sinha :
> I again repeat the above line since bandwidth is one of the two main
> issues, first being the installer connecting to the internet without
> user's consent.
>
Having the network cable plugged in implies consent. If you don't want
you computer connecting to a network, t
Vincenzo Ciancia wrote:
>
> Well, the checkbox solution seems much better, and it should also be
> checked on by default, so that an unexperienced user will get upgrades
> and languages without worrying. There should be a "more info" button
> that explains the situation to the user, and also tel
2008/12/25 Vincenzo Ciancia :
> Well, the checkbox solution seems much better, and it should also be checked
> on by default, so that an unexperienced user will get upgrades and languages
> without worrying. There should be a "more info" button that explains the
> situation to the user, and also te
Dotan Cohen ha scritto:
> 2008/12/25 Dylan McCall :
>> Keep in mind that prompting before going online would, with the
>> simplest solution, block the installation process and require user
>> intevention which is absolutely against how Ubiquity should behave.
>> Instead, there would need to be a ch
2008/12/25 Dylan McCall :
> Keep in mind that prompting before going online would, with the
> simplest solution, block the installation process and require user
> intevention which is absolutely against how Ubiquity should behave.
> Instead, there would need to be a checkbox in the final setup page
Dylan McCall wrote:
> Keep in mind that prompting before going online would, with the
> simplest solution, block the installation process and require user
> intevention which is absolutely against how Ubiquity should behave.
> Instead, there would need to be a checkbox in the final setup page to
>
Keep in mind that prompting before going online would, with the
simplest solution, block the installation process and require user
intevention which is absolutely against how Ubiquity should behave.
Instead, there would need to be a checkbox in the final setup page to
"check online for security upd
Vishal Rao wrote:
> Here is a bug I found :
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/294523
>
It has been turned into a wishlist and approved too.
Hope it gets implemented in coming days..
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Here is a bug I found :
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/294523
I'm not sure if it's appropriate to post "me too" comments asking for
it to be a wishlist to have the installer prompt to go online...
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Sambit Bikas Pal wrote:
> This may be insignificant issue to most users, but for people who
> have to pay for their bandwidth per MB of usage, this is not really a
> very insignificant issue. In many countries bandwidth is still a very
> scare resource. My ISP imposes a 1GB limit (alas!) on usage
On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 02:11, Felipe Figueiredo wrote:
> Peter,
>
>
>> Then came the deathnell for using the system because at 82% of
>> installation IT SETS UP AN INTERNET CONNECTION AND USES MY ADSL MODEM
>
> The subject seems much more harsh than the body. The only complaint, as I see
> it, is
There is a related (the 82% thing) thread on the forums at
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=580129 . This is being stuck
at 82% because the mirrors are slow probably due to high traffic...
I agree that the desktop ISO installer should not attempt to
automatically connect and download updat
a reasonable request.
Can anyone clarify this?
-->Seth
--- On Tue, 12/23/08, Evan wrote:
> From: Evan
> Subject: Re: You lost a new Ubuntu user
> To: pk.hender...@westnet.com.au, ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com
> Date: Tuesday, December 23, 2008, 4:08 PM
> I would agree w
I would agree with Vladmir (phcoder). Ubuntu tries to be a distro that
non-tech-savy people can just plug in and use. That requires it to make some
decisions for the user (such as automatically downloading security patches)
which normal users really just don't care about.
If you don't want it to d
This access was just autmoatic package update. You can disable it but
then you'll be unable to install new software. The idea behind ubuntu is
to make a system for average user but with possibility of customization
so its default install gets you pretty much to "average user" system.
If you wa
Evan Dandrea wrote:
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> Please CC Peter on replies as he is not subscribed to the list.
>
>
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> Date: Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 10:07
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Please CC Peter on replies as he is not subscribed to the list.
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