Tim Hawkins wrote: > Connecting and transferring data online during an offline media install > is not an expected activity,
No? why not? Its just getting updates! it is the kind of > "phone home" activity that is derided of other OS's such as Microsoft > windows. I think the problem with Microsoft's OS is not the fact that "phones home" but the information it sends when it does. It is especially > bad given that the user does not know its going to happen, and does not > know why it is happening. > > Installing a new operating system is a trust activity, if the OS starts > doing things you don't expect it damages that trust. Right at > the time when the users first impressions are being formed. > > If i use a netboot install, i expect it to access the net, if I install > from a CD I expect it to install from the media I designated, the CD. > > I do not expect it to access the net with out informing me what or why > it is doing it. > > Just my 2cents. > > On 26 Dec 2008, at 05:29, nergar wrote: > >> This is getting out of proportion. Ubuntu should NOT ask if it is ok to >> get updates. We are trying to run a "Linux for human beings" distro and >> if we start taking steps in this direction, we might as well ask for >> permission to connect when opening firefox. The last thing we need are >> more dialogs to confuse/annoy users. >> >> Another thing to take into account is, Linux is about CHOICES. If anyone >> feels like a control freak they should be using Arch or Gentoo or any >> other distro that will fit them better. >> >> We have more important things to worry about, like stability. Ubuntu has >> become very unstable lately. >> >> HggdH wrote: >>> Le Thursday 25 December 2008 à 22:40 +0200, Dotan Cohen a écrit : >>>> 2008/12/25 Manish Sinha <manishsinha.t...@gmail.com>: >>>>> I again repeat the above line since bandwidth is one of the two main >>>>> issues, first being the installer connecting to the internet without >>>>> user's consent. >>>>> >>>> Having the network cable plugged in implies consent. If you don't want >>>> you computer connecting to a network, then don't plug it in. I have >>>> lived in areas of limited and expensive bandwidth, and even for a >>>> desktop with the network cable under the desk, it seemed common sense >>>> that so long as it was plugged in, something would try to connect. >>> >>> Sorry, you are generalising from your own perceptions. The original >>> complaint was clearly set against going out into the wild Internet >>> without asking first (and, <gasp/>, downloading other/new programmes). >>> >>> I agree with it. If I have a full CD with Ubuntu, I do not expect it to >>> get into the Internet without telling me first, no matter what. >>> >>> If being connected is what it takes to get out, then warn/suggest the >>> user to disconnect if no such contact is wanted. But never expect >>> *implicit*, *implied*, consents to have been given. >>> >>> The fact that something will try to connect if a connection is available >>> is the root of the problem. The default should be *NO* connection unless >>> explicitly allowed, be it out or in. >>> >> >> -- >> Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list >> Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss > Come on! its the year 2008 and it is called the internet!! The installation is only trying to get security updates. I can't believe there is people actually complaining about SECURITY UPDATES. Ubuntu is not a nanny. And as I said before, if Ubuntu doesn't fits you, try something else. It's impossible to make everyone happy. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
