ally break the existing macro to just include the sha sums inside
the same signature list? Presumably it has some way of ignoring the GPG
signature lines; could that just be modified to ignore the shasum lines as well?
I ask because it would be
On Apr 4, 2013, at 11:15 AM, Tristan Seligmann wrote:
> In fact, I believe there is no such thing as "signing the whole binary blob".
> When you use something like gpg --sign, what is actually signed with a public
> key signature algorithm is a hash of the content anyway. Thus, assuming you
>
7;twisted.internet.interfaces.IConsumer',
'twisted.internet.interfaces.ITransport',
'twisted.internet.interfaces.IHalfCloseableDescriptor',
'twisted.internet.interfaces.ILoggingContext']
It might be useful to note the possible presence of some of these in the
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On Apr 9, 2013, at 2:48 AM, Sergey Gerasimov wrote:
> Hello to all!
>
> I see in the log file many failures like:
> [Broker, client Failure: twisted.spread.pb.PBConnectionLost: [Failure
> instance: Traceback (failure with no frames): < class
> ‘twisted.internet.error.ConnectionDone’>: Connec
de, you
could have a ticket just for doing the inner refactoring, that does not expose
any new public classes or features, as long as that refactoring has a good
explanation and a good impact on the internal API.
Based on the last patch I see on this ticket, it looks like that
s you pointed out were spot on :). I just hope
that next time you'll have a look at a more recent version!
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On May 5, 2013, at 11:23 PM, Hynek Schlawack wrote:
> Am 06.05.2013 um 07:11 schrieb Glyph :
>
>> With the recent resolution of <http://twistedmatrix.com/trac/ticket/2061>, I
>> am wondering if there is already a plan in progress (and maybe some existing
>> ti
al, and we already have our own
Python-version-compatibility code (in twisted.python.compat) so thus far we
have gone with just replicating whatever functionality we need.
Of course, the best is not needing the compatibility code at all, which is why
I
're working on it
(getting a faster host for Trac):
<http://labs.twistedmatrix.com/2013/05/april-end-month-report.html>
Which reminds me: please donate, so we can keep funding more work like that!
<http://twistedmatrix.com/trac/#DonatetoTwisted>
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On May 9, 2013, at 7:44 PM, Shiyao Ma wrote:
> If I remember clearly, I already fired a ticket about this issue a week ago
> and it's waiting for review.
Do you happen to have a link to that ticket?
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the box' here means something like 'twistd procmon twistd
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mebody else knows how to invoke that?
It would certainly be very useful to see what Python code lead to this point
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On May 22, 2013, at 12:01 AM, Adi Roiban wrote:
> Is this a bug in the current implementation of
> StringTransportWithDisconnection?
Yes. Good catch. Please look to see if the ticket has already been filed, and
if not, file one (ideally with a patch!)
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On May 30, 2013, at 5:43 AM, exar...@twistedmatrix.com wrote:
> On 29 May, 09:24 pm, tom.pri...@ualberta.net wrote:
>> Tom Prince writes:
>>> Donald Stufft writes:
So I'm emailing you all to warn you about this upcoming change since
Twisted is one of the major projects affected and al
too, but if we do, it's for different
reasons. If nothing depends on it, I say we should kill it.
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Hi Twisted developers,
This weekend I had a discussion with many Twisted developers, both local to and
visiting San Francisco. The topic came up of how to get more long-term
contributors to participate more regularly in the project - particularly, doing
code reviews, but also, developing and c
On Jun 3, 2013, at 5:35 PM, Jamu Kakar wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 4:48 PM, Christopher Armstrong
> wrote:
>> On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 3:59 PM, Glyph wrote:
>>> One suggestion that almost everybody made immediately was: we should use
>>> Githu
nk you doubly for your patience.
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On Jun 5, 2013, at 12:37 AM, Adi Roiban wrote:
> On 5 June 2013 09:29, Glyph wrote:
> [snip]
>
>> So, please, go on contributing patches to Twisted; I thank you for your
>> contribution and I thank you doubly for your patience.
>
> From my point of view, the fact t
on.
I'm still happy to help you with this if you can explain what, exactly, you
still don't understand.
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top using threads in this manner, you are using threads in a totally
unsupported way and Twisted will be broken.
Twisted supports most GUIs directly though; there is generally no need to use
threads. What GUI library are you using?
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> you've had a chance to play with these ideas?
It would also be nice if someone could find a link to the tickets for this
functionality - or, file one, if none exist.
Again, thanks a lot for the great explanation, JP.
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w.
(NB: The implementation linked above doesn't address all of the issues I've
enumerated in this message, and I don't think that it should address every
single one of them before being added to Twisted; writing this one message took
me long enough, but we should possibly also discuss which ones are fundamental
issues with the logging system and which are features that should be considered
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On Jun 13, 2013, at 4:16 PM, Christopher Armstrong
wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 5:14 PM, Glyph wrote:
>>
>> Hello everybody. Today I'd like to talk about everyone's favorite subsystem
>> within Twisted: logging.
>>
>> There are a numbe
On Jun 14, 2013, at 3:43 PM, Glyph wrote:
> I think that we can satisfy all of these requirements by expanding the notion
> of an "identifier" a bit.
In our last episode, I mentioned that an identifier should have several
properties:
human readable (and potentially non-uni
anced to automatically fetch that commit,
> and switch to the branch locally.
This is all great, but, would you mind re-naming it so that I can have both
this, and Combinator installed locally? Until we switch to Git, I'd like to
preserve the capac
paceships.combat.explosion") in a single event. We could provide
both tools to the developer, and they're not obliged to use either.
(I see you've written some other messages, so more forthcoming...)
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On Jun 14, 2013, at 10:48 PM, Christopher Armstrong
wrote:
> There's... a lot here. I'm overwhelmed by how complex this system
> would be, and I think that end users would be as well. I don't really
> want to put UUIDs into my source code, whether I type them or paste
> them, and I don't want t
On Jun 15, 2013, at 3:55 AM, Phil Mayers wrote:
> On 06/15/2013 06:48 AM, Christopher Armstrong wrote:
>
>> There's... a lot here. I'm overwhelmed by how complex this system
>> would be, and I think that end users would be as well. I don't really
>> want to put UUIDs into my source code, whethe
On Jun 14, 2013, at 11:18 PM, Christopher Armstrong
wrote:
> This conversation has gotten pretty sprawling; time to reel it in with
> some code.
>
> What do you think of this for an API that meets in the middle?
>
> https://gist.github.com/radeex/5787124
>
> This example implementation only
On Jun 15, 2013, at 5:28 AM, Phil Mayers wrote:
> On 06/15/2013 12:13 PM, Glyph wrote:
>
>> I am really, really puzzled by this reaction. I am wondering if you
>> read my message carefully, or if I didn't express myself well.
>
> Careful re-reading of the
On Jun 15, 2013, at 8:33 AM, Christopher Armstrong
wrote:
> It sounds like you're arguing that the human-readable *.log format
> should be closer to the simple key/value representation that we use
> underneath.
>
> Would you also argue that instead of having a log line that looks like:
>
> 20
fying that intent.
We have "log_namespace" in the new logging system, and I think that (in
combination with an idiomatic "log_id", that only needs to be unique within
that namespace) you could get more or less what you want.
I think we
How would you feel about a special token that you have to pass explicitly?
Logger().warn(ALL_KEYS, a="hi")
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On Jun 17, 2013, at 5:48 PM, James Y Knight wrote:
> I'm surprised that a thread with 32 messages about logging doesn't seem to
> have once mentioned windows events, osx structured syslog, or systemd journal
> as important design points.
As it happens I was discussing exactly that! In a sens
On Jun 18, 2013, at 8:25 AM, Peter Westlake wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 18, 2013, at 4:50, Glyph wrote:
>> On Jun 17, 2013, at 5:48 PM, James Y Knight wrote:
> ...
>>> And having a logging system which doesn't even support a basic
>>> log level is just silly. Ho
On Jun 18, 2013, at 8:42 AM, Christopher Armstrong
wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 8:37 AM, Itamar Turner-Trauring
> wrote:
> By way of background, Kai Zhang is one of our GSoC interns, working on adding
> Deferred cancellation support to Twisted. I believe the specific module he is
> work
On Jun 18, 2013, at 12:03 PM, Laurens Van Houtven <_...@lvh.io> wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 8:22 PM, Glyph wrote:
> I would say that if we want to percolate this information up to the caller,
> there should be a ConnectingCancelled exception that is a subtype of the
>
On Jun 18, 2013, at 2:13 PM, Itamar Turner-Trauring wrote:
> On 06/18/2013 02:22 PM, Glyph wrote:
>> Making an API that previously documented raising (or failing) exception
>> types A, B, and C raise (or fail with) D is not necessarily a compatible
>> change. Making it r
re's no particular conflict with the new system, either;
more information in log messages will just be even easier to utilize with some
of its improvements.
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ere are lots of legitimate
uses to parameterize the reactor and to discover which one a particular object
is using.
The case where one is tempted to make an argument private like this seems to be
somewhere that we feel that something should be parameterized
eady decided on the failure behavior for all
> existing Deferred-returning APIs. Changing that at this point doesn't seem
> like a very good idea.
>
> I think I'd also like to challenge the idea that Glyph put forwards earlier
> in the thread that this extra infor
need clarification on the Twisted side of things, I'd be happy to
expand and improve the question.
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On Jul 2, 2013, at 12:02 PM, Beth wrote:
> Can someone give me a hand in how to daemonize one application?
> I think that the way to go is twistd (...)
That's correct.
After reading the rest of your message, I don't see any *problems* that you've
had with using it. All the code looks basica
On Jul 9, 2013, at 4:30 AM, Itamar Turner-Trauring wrote:
> On 07/09/2013 04:04 AM, Rob Meijer wrote:
>> 3) When the token does not check out, or the connection to the server
>> fails, it remains a mystery to me how I should throw an error in such a
>> way that it allows me to send a proper erro
le use-cases you might want that string for
and we should return the appropriate version depending on which one you want.
I wouldn't worry about getting that attribute to do anything useful beyond a
very rudimentary level of compatibility; in fact it would be great if the
i
eally unfortunate. If we can
figure out something that uses totally public APIs without subclassing
tcp.Client that would be best; if not, we should really have a ticket open to
fix the API so that it is possible.
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On Jul 15, 2013, at 4:44 AM, exar...@twistedmatrix.com wrote:
> On 01:01 am, gl...@twistedmatrix.com wrote:
>>
>> On Jul 12, 2013, at 5:09 AM, exar...@twistedmatrix.com wrote:
>>> On 10:42 am, p.may...@imperial.ac.uk wrote:
On 12/07/13 11:34, Itamar Turner-Trauring wrote:
> Subclass twi
t relies on adbapi2 (also in
calendar server, hopefully to be moved into Twisted at some point).
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On Jul 19, 2013, at 1:21 AM, Laurens Van Houtven <_...@lvh.io> wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 9:06 AM, Hynek Schlawack wrote:
> How would you feel about packaging it up on PyPI so people can try it out
> effortlessly? What do Apple’s licenses say about that? Yes, I’m volunteering.
>
> It se
Qt, which seem to come out relatively
frequently. Nothing about the nature of event loops or sockets has changed
sufficiently in the meanwhile to justify the constant re-work that Qt seems to
require from us.
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> Am 22.07.2013 um 23:37 schrieb Glyph :
>
>>> How would you feel about packaging it up on PyPI so people can try it out
>>> effortlessly? What do Apple’s licenses say about that? Yes, I’m
>>> volunteering.
rs, we could have a
setup.py in the calendarserver.org repository that just submits
twext.enterprise.* to PyPI as an independent source distribution, while
remaining part of the same project. It can *appear* to be a separate project
as long as it's developed in the same place. :-)
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On Jul 25, 2013, at 1:08 AM, Hynek Schlawack wrote:
> Am 25.07.2013 um 00:43 schrieb Glyph :
>
>> If you just want to see broader testing first, a better solution would be
>> for Hynek to just contribute to the Calendar Server project directly so that
>> there a
dependency,
so it can be parsed at runtime to aid with enforcement?
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On Jul 24, 2013, at 4:19 PM, Justin Chiu wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> A couple weeks ago I posted a question to this list titled "AMQP listening
> and user-facing daemon". The responses were very helpful; thank you.
>
> Does anyone have any examples/tutorials on writing with multiple protocols
> doi
On Jul 25, 2013, at 3:51 PM, exar...@twistedmatrix.com wrote:
> On 08:33 pm, gl...@twistedmatrix.com wrote:
>>
>> On Jul 25, 2013, at 8:40 AM, Jonathan Lange wrote:
>>> On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 4:14 PM, Laurens Van Houtven <_...@lvh.io> wrote:
>>> In addition to what jml said, I wonder if it mak
behavior
is.
In any case, there's a great paper which offers an excellent theoretical
background that should explain what I mean by that distinction, and should
really elucidate some of the other threads in this conversation as well:
<htt
received one billion points, congratulations you have defeated
software.
Does this seem like it might be a useful feature for someone to work on? Not
shown here is the part that when you do introduce a regression, it runs just
the tests that failed until you fix all of them, then goes back u
trac/wiki/FrequentlyAskedQuestions#Whyisprotocol.dataReceivedcalledwithonlypartofthedataIcalledtransport.writewith>
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therResult's callback is after
slowFuncReturningA() in d's callback chain.
Can you attach an actual runnable code example with some behavior that you
didn't expect, so we can actually run it and explain what's happening? No need
for you to spin the reactor or anything, just
wisted frames
in your traceback does not mean Twisted is the cause of the bug :).
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On Aug 1, 2013, at 1:49 AM, zipxing wrote:
> pypy+builtin_json performance < cpython+ultrajson
Do you have a reference to a benchmark confirming this? I'm curious about it.
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e you would get from twisted.test.proto_helpers, the one and only public
module in our 'test' package) and also, as you have discovered, more
unpredictable.
Is there any way to hand txredis a synthetic transport for testing? If not,
file a bug on it :).
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On Aug 1, 2013, at 1:49 AM, zipxing wrote:
> pypy+builtin_json performance < cpython+ultrajson
Just curious here: what version of PyPy did you do your tests with? From what
I've heard, the somewhat recently-released 2.1 should have improved JSON
parsing performan
ly
slower) performance. Does it also have correctness and security problems?
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On Aug 19, 2013, at 10:38 AM, Matt Haggard wrote:
> ... [a story] ...
Very entertaining :-).
My one disappointment with the narrative was that when you were lushly
describing standing in an open field west of the white house, you neglected to
mention that there was a mailbox there.
> I want
On Aug 21, 2013, at 10:02 AM, Matt Haggard wrote:
> I've got the start of a demo multi-protocol chat server, if anyone's
> interested in taking a look. (Is this the right place for this
> discussion? Would IRC be better?)
This is a fine place for discussion. If you prefer IRC, by all means u
problem, I wanted to use SQLAlchemy rather than write my own
ORM, but I was unable to due the lack of a public API for generating
cross-database SQL.
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report, or an extension to the high
scores page, that addressed the first point, it would be a lot easier to deal
with the second and third ones. So, if anyone reading this would like to do
that, I would be forever in your debt.
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On Aug 27, 2013, at 2:44 AM, Laurens Van Houtven <_...@lvh.io> wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 6:07 AM, Glyph wrote:
> I think that's a fine rule, but it has one gigantic problem: we don't have a
> list of committers anywhere. Making this list - and, critically,
On Aug 27, 2013, at 4:40 PM, Matt Haggard wrote:
> Up to six articles now: http://iffy.github.io/twistedftw/
This now says
"#{{ index+1 }} With Twisted you can {{ showing.ability }}"
for me.
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vior. So I can't see a reason to
use an exception to indicate this.
Instead, I think perhaps a new constant value would be useful, so a canceller
could return a constant to indicate that it really meant to not invoke either a
callback or an errback. 'return NOT_CANCELLED' woul
hich is probably going to take more programmer
time than you will ever save in execution time by this marginal memory
reduction :-). Better would be to spend that effort enforcing stringent
resource limits so that you will give up reading before you ever get to the
parse in the case
ally in another.
The problem with the "bytes-with-encoding" idea is that it doesn't apply to
paths, it applies to path segments - which is why FilePath is (well, ought to
be) a data *structure*, and not just some methods around exis
etting latest & greatest
> pyflakes/twistedchecker and dependencies, and being able to install the
> branch.
Separately, "how to get set up to review" would be a useful document too.
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e, I will be happy to get
you the appropriate access to any systems you need to.
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ective on this, and to have very specific
fodder for making improvements. Thanks for taking the time to write it up.
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Thanks for sharing this, Maciej!
Please feel free to keep on sending more announcements as you put Twisted
inside of more devices ;-).
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are that's just buggy. For a while, possibly
still today, Twisted just completely dies with certain versions of AVG
installed, because they completely break the expected behavior of certain
socket APIs.
Have you tried with multiple Windows clients ye
gt; * Holger Kraus
> * Lukasz Prasol
> * Christophe Reche
> * Richard Wall
>
>
> I am really excited about the fact that I don't know all of the people on
> this list -- we need more developers! :-) Thanks for organizing this sprint,
e user-base. So it's not quite reasonable to
judge Twisted by the same standard, or to expect that we can achieve Django's
results by copying Django's methods, or even that we could faithfully muster
enough effort to copy their methods exactly.
So we should definitely try to lea
On Sep 25, 2013, at 10:20 PM, Hynek Schlawack wrote:
>> What tools actually make use of this file?
>
> pip install -r dev-requirements.txt
OK. If this is the way that this file is intended to be used, perhaps there
should be a comment explaining that at the top :).
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On Sep 25, 2013, at 11:05 PM, Daniel Sank wrote:
> This isn't THAT bad. The client's requestMove is thin and unecessary (I put
> it there for illustration). Still I need to have two separate classes with
> corresponding methods to handle moving the piece.
That's OK. Don't try to reduce your n
y you feel it's "annoying"? Maybe we can improve
spawnProcess so it works better for you in the future.
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On Sep 30, 2013, at 2:45 AM, Laurens Van Houtven <_...@lvh.io> wrote:
> What am I doing wrong? Is this a bug?
I think it's pretty clearly a bug. Calling the argument "proto" in the first
place indicates the nature of the confusion.
There are parts of the flow here from bytes to method executi
On Sep 29, 2013, at 2:49 AM, Hynek Schlawack wrote:
> I have that on my todo-list since the beginning of time but never got around
> to it.
Do you have a link to a Nevow bug in some tracker (launchpad, perhaps?) that is
tracking this?
On Sep 30, 2013, at 11:51 AM, Hynek Schlawack wrote:
>
> Am 30.09.2013 um 20:42 schrieb Glyph :
>
>>> I have that on my todo-list since the beginning of time but never got
>>> around to it.
>>
>> Do you have a link to a Nevow bug in some tracker (la
On Sep 30, 2013, at 12:09 PM, Laurens Van Houtven <_...@lvh.io> wrote:
> Hi Glyph,
>
> Thanks for your response!
>
> On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 8:41 PM, Glyph wrote:
> On Sep 30, 2013, at 2:45 AM, Laurens Van Houtven <_...@lvh.io> wrote:
>
>> What am I d
> On Oct 1, 2013, at 1:13 AM, Laurens Van Houtven <_...@lvh.io> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 12:59 AM, Glyph wrote:
>>
>> Most of the code I can think of that wants to use that really wants the
>> transport rather than the "protocol"
there's ever an issue we
can always make a separate list for announcements.
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able on ReadTheDocs, including examples and an API
> reference: <http://txsocksx.readthedocs.org/en/latest/>.
I'm super happy to see such widespread use of the endpoint API :-). It looks
like there's no endpoint string parser plugin, th
you've gone too far afield.
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nk,
sorry about that :-))
One thing to note, though: you should switch to this style:
@implementer(IPushProducer, IReadDescriptor)
class NFLogPacket...
because the implements() style won't work in future versions of Python. (Plus,
the implementation of @implementer is much cleaner on ol
> On Oct 6, 2013, at 5:23 PM, exar...@twistedmatrix.com wrote:
>
> On 6 Oct, 11:02 pm, tobias.oberst...@tavendo.de wrote:
Personally, I assume root CA private keys of any CA vendor are owned by
the NSA anyway.
>>>
>>> There's no rule that says you have to use a "root CA" signed certif
y
become Twisted was called "Thing". ;-)
> Dummy question: how would I contribute to the Trac-based Web site content?
Just click on the "edit" button at the bottom of any wiki page. Some of the
pages (like the front page) are locked to prevent abuse, but I can give you
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