[techtalk] Layman's Guides

2001-06-04 Thread jenn
The last two Layman's Guides are now ready. At the start of the next hour (from when I write this), they should be publically available at http://www.cyber.com.au/users/jenn/ Would people please do me the favour of checking me for accuracy (& spelling, & anything else you want to check me for)?

Re: [techtalk] Layman's Guides to Computer Security

2001-05-16 Thread coldfire
> > but seriously, regarding the titles of books ... i don't understand how > > anyone can really care .. if it's an excellent book, should it matter that > > it's titled "linux for the computer illiterate?" or how about a terrible > > book with a very sophisticated intelligent sounding title? m

Re: [techtalk] Layman's Guides to Computer Security

2001-05-16 Thread Conor Daly
On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 09:20:47PM -0700 or so it is rumoured hereabouts, Raven, corporate courtesan thought: > Yup. [grimace] After my third assurance to our new management > that I didn't need an NT desktop in addition to my Sparc (and once > actually refusing to accept one they delive

Re: [techtalk] Layman's Guides to Computer Security

2001-05-16 Thread James Sutherland
On Thu, 17 May 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > but seriously, regarding the titles of books ... i don't understand how > > anyone can really care .. if it's an excellent book, should it matter that > > it's titled "linux for the computer illiterate?" or how about a terrible > > book with a v

Re: [techtalk] Layman's Guides to Computer Security

2001-05-16 Thread jenn
> but seriously, regarding the titles of books ... i don't understand how > anyone can really care .. if it's an excellent book, should it matter that > it's titled "linux for the computer illiterate?" or how about a terrible > book with a very sophisticated intelligent sounding title? maybe i'

Re: [techtalk] Layman's Guides to Computer Security

2001-05-15 Thread Raven, corporate courtesan
Heya -- >> "So what sort of presentation software are you using?" >> "Ummm, vi." >> "Oh. Is there a conversion program for that? I can't read >> these files in NT. Maybe you should use Windows." >> -- a recent conversation with our new technical management > > Heh. Ignorance, hmm? Yu

Re: [techtalk] Layman's Guides to Computer Security

2001-05-15 Thread coldfire
Issac Asimov is a good man ... i always enjoyed reading his science and his philosophy :) but seriously, regarding the titles of books ... i don't understand how anyone can really care .. if it's an excellent book, should it matter that it's titled "linux for the computer illiterate?" or how abo

Re: [techtalk] Layman's Guides to Computer Security

2001-05-15 Thread Conor Daly
On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 02:38:35PM -0500 or so it is rumoured hereabouts, Samuel Tesla thought: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Mon, 14 May 2001, Brian Sweeney wrote: > > > I read a really good book a while back called "Physics for the Rest of > > Us"(HIGHLY recommended

Re: [techtalk] Layman's Guides to Computer Security

2001-05-15 Thread Conor Daly
On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 10:11:14AM +1000 or so it is rumoured hereabouts, [EMAIL PROTECTED] thought: > David Merrill wrote: > > > > I like `backgrounder' or `introduction to...'. I don't particularly > > like `layman', mostly because after reading your docs I don't think > > they are useful onl

Re: [techtalk] Layman's Guides to Computer Security

2001-05-15 Thread jenn
Raven, corporate courtesan wrote: > How about something positive, then? "A Practical Guide to...", "A > Down-to-Earth Guide to...", "Things I Wish Someone Had Told Me When I > Was Learning Computer Security"... [grin] And James Sutherland said: > "Basics of ..." or "... for beginners" sou

Re: [techtalk] Layman's Guides to Computer Security

2001-05-14 Thread James Sutherland
On Tue, 15 May 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > David Merrill wrote: > > > > I like `backgrounder' or `introduction to...'. I don't particularly > > like `layman', mostly because after reading your docs I don't think > > they are useful only to laymen. But ymmv and all that... > > I'm flattered. :

Re: [techtalk] Layman's Guides to Computer Security

2001-05-14 Thread Raven, corporate courtesan
Heya -- > I want something which clearly states that I know it's not > necessarily something they *want* to learn. Like I don't want > motor-mechanics-for-the-novice because I'm not intending to be > a motor mechanic. [tongue-in-cheek] Perhaps "for the Unwilling Beginner"? >> so maybe s

Re: [techtalk] Layman's Guides to Computer Security

2001-05-14 Thread jenn
David Merrill wrote: > I like `backgrounder' or `introduction to...'. I don't particularly > like `layman', mostly because after reading your docs I don't think > they are useful only to laymen. But ymmv and all that... I'm flattered. :) Hm. I'll think about it - I want them to be used by laym

Re: [techtalk] Layman's Guides to Computer Security

2001-05-14 Thread David Merrill
On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 08:24:14AM +1000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > J-Mag Guthrie wrote: > > > > Novice? Newbie? > > I want something which clearly states that I know it's not > necessarily something they *want* to learn. Like I don't want > motor-mechanics-for-the-novice because I'm not in

Re: [techtalk] Layman's Guides to Computer Security

2001-05-14 Thread jenn
J-Mag Guthrie wrote: > Novice? Newbie? I want something which clearly states that I know it's not necessarily something they *want* to learn. Like I don't want motor-mechanics-for-the-novice because I'm not intending to be a motor mechanic. I'd say 'for the home user', except that this is

RE: [techtalk] Layman's Guides to Computer Security

2001-05-14 Thread Brian Sweeney
L PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 12:39 PM > To: Brian Sweeney > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [techtalk] Layman's Guides to Computer Security > > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Mon, 14 May 2001, Brian Sweeney wrote: >

Re: [techtalk] Layman's Guides to Computer Security

2001-05-14 Thread minae
> On Mon, 14 May 2001, Brian Sweeney wrote: > > > I read a really good book a while back called "Physics for the Rest of > > Us"(HIGHLY recommended for those curious about modern physics) Good way to > > say newbie without saying "dummie", I thought. > > > > One of the books I like to recommend wh

RE: [techtalk] Layman's Guides to Computer Security

2001-05-14 Thread Samuel Tesla
t; > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Ms. Piglet > > Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 11:19 AM > > To: J-Mag Guthrie; Rialian > > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: [techtalk] Layman's Guides to Computer Security > > > > > > The ones tha

RE: [techtalk] Layman's Guides to Computer Security

2001-05-14 Thread Brian Sweeney
EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Ms. Piglet > Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 11:19 AM > To: J-Mag Guthrie; Rialian > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [techtalk] Layman's Guides to Computer Security > > > The ones that stick in my mind were "Chemistry for Poetry Majors&quo

Re: [techtalk] Layman's Guides to Computer Security

2001-05-14 Thread Ms. Piglet
The ones that stick in my mind were "Chemistry for Poetry Majors" and "Physics for Poetry Majors". --pig On Mon, 14 May 2001, J-Mag Guthrie wrote: > Novice? Newbie? When I was in college, lo these many years ago, there > were math and engineering classes that were specifically for "non-major

Re: [techtalk] Layman's Guides to Computer Security

2001-05-14 Thread J-Mag Guthrie
> > 2. Yes, I'm using 'layman' rather than 'lay person'. I needed > > SOMETHING to signify that they're aimed at people who aren't > > computer specialists, and 'for dummies' and 'idiots guide to' > > always strikes me as insulting. Given that layman doesn't seem to be in > common usage either, I

Re: [techtalk] Layman's Guides to Computer Security

2001-05-13 Thread Kai MacTane
At 5/13/01 04:46 AM , [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >2. Yes, I'm using 'layman' rather than 'lay person'. I needed >SOMETHING to signify that they're aimed at people who aren't >computer specialists, and 'for dummies' and 'idiots guide to' >always strikes me as insulting. >Given that layman doesn't see

Re: [techtalk] Layman's Guides to Computer Security

2001-05-13 Thread Rialian
> 2. Yes, I'm using 'layman' rather than 'lay person'. I needed > SOMETHING to signify that they're aimed at people who aren't > computer specialists, and 'for dummies' and 'idiots guide to' > always strikes me as insulting. Given that layman doesn't seem to be in common usage either, I didn't w

[techtalk] Layman's Guides to Computer Security

2001-05-13 Thread jenn
I've been gradually writing a set of lay person's guides to computer security. I just put the networking one up today - something (can't think what!) prompted me to get on (not off!) my duff and finish it.[1] These are available on my professional home page, at http://www.cyber.com.au/use