The last two Layman's Guides are now ready. At the start of the next
hour (from when I write this), they should be publically available at
http://www.cyber.com.au/users/jenn/
Would people please do me the favour of checking me for accuracy (&
spelling, & anything else you want to
ogated enough, we'll tell the lists to use
linuxchix.org as their domain.
Jenn V.
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Thanks for your attention, support, and patience, while we make these
changes.
Dancer and Jenn Vesperman, & the various volunteers who are making
this possible.
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recting all mail to the web-based client isn't going to work
/that/ well. Hrm...
Maybe I triggered a thought in someone else?
> Also, this is a college organization, so I'm not getting paid. I'm
> doing this for funfrustrating and sadistic as it
> may be...it's
gt; I don't mean it. I think that's where it all started.
> So, for you and anyone else reading. If I'm being arrogant or
> egotistical it's either a) a joke or b)
> I need a smack. :-)
Enough people ARE egotistical that it's damned hard to tell when
it
.
Getting into the working world is a shock, isn't it? :)
> Point
> is...I've totally lost focus on this thing and need a little guidance.
Hopefully this will help.
Jenn V.
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you miss ou
> Can you repost with some pointers as to how to do this please? I don't think
> you included them the first time around. Is there a webpage to visit?
URK! Did I forget to do that! My error, my apologies.
Go here:
http://www.simegen.com/mailman/listinfo/volunteers
And sign up.
friend of mine swears
by FreeBSD as a firewall box.
Jenn V.
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you miss out on by being a geek?" - Dancer.
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will almost certainly be overwritten.
Please bear with us, we're hoping to transfer things as smoothly as
possible, for Deb's sake and .. well, everyone's. :)
Jenn V.
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"Do you ever wonder if there's a whole section of geek culture
you miss out on by be
ither case, you might want to read my security articles[1] to find
out what the issues are, then come back to the lists to get help or
recommendations on how to do whatever you decide to do.
Note that my articles aren't finished yet - there are two missing - but
I'm not /currently/ aware
Scott wrote:
> I am thinking of doing some of the work in Java. Since my experience
> with Java is limited,
> has anyone else used Java heavily for web based applications?
Not 'heavily' yet, just for one project and that a standalone. But
it's winning me over.
Jenn
g with my
window manager.
As for Gnome being resource intensive: I haven't noticed. But I
keep my box specced fairly high, it also runs Windows to run my
library of games.
Jenn V.
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you miss out on by b
far I'm taking it with equanimity. It bothers me that
she's so upset, and I can't figure out what I've done; unless she
misinterpreted stuff I said.
Jenn V.
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"Do you ever wonder if there's a whole section of geek culture
you miss out on by being a g
he articles. I got rather more
feedback on the /titles/ than I'd wanted - and not as much on
the articles themselves as I'd hoped for. :)
But people seem to enjoy suggesting titles. And there's been some
good suggestions. Thank you.
Jenn V.
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"Do you ever wonder if ther
t;So what sort of presentation software are you using?"
> "Ummm, vi."
> "Oh. Is there a conversion program for that? I can't read
> these files in NT. Maybe you should use Windows."
> -- a recent conversation with our new technical management
Heh. Ignor
l think about it - I want them to be used by laymen, but if
they're also useful to those who should(?) already know this... :)
Jenn V.
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you miss out on by being a geek?" - Dancer.
[EMAI
t;The
> Non-Geek's Guide..."
To me, non-whatever sounds negative. :/
Thank you for the suggestions, though!
Jenn V.
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"Do you ever wonder if there's a whole section of geek culture
you miss out on by being
27;fishing' which is
done by sending bait-mail to a newsgroup or mailing list and
seeing how much ire, anger and upset-ness you can catch as a
response.
Fishermen trawl. Trolls troll.
> And I have still had no luck installing Caldera's OpenLinux eDesktop 2.4.
> Some day,
which also means "man" (in
> our current sense of "adult male human").
I've heard also of 'hus-mann' and 'wif-mann' .. which have obvious
modern derivatives.
Jenn V.
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n - and make attacks on us, then you are probably a troll.
> Personal attacks weaken your aguments and show
> others that your point can not stand on its own merits.
Yup. We noticed.
Jenn V.
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you m
ww.cyber.com.au/users/jenn/
Please feel free to take a look, provide criticism or advice,
and/or use them as learning tools.
Two notes:
1. I am deliberately avoiding providing specifics, because I
want these to be general guidelines regardless of system, and
because I don't want them to date
ystem, as well.
Apparently it comes with a firewall by default, and everything
configured off - you configure *ON* the things you want.
Jenn V.
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you miss out on by being a geek?" - Dancer.
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that we're not.
I get the feeling that she and her friend think we 'want' market
share, stock prices and the like. Cathedral model, rather than
bazaar.
Ah well. She's given me some ideas for things which I need to
put into my security articles on my professional web page.
, it struck me as reasonable to assume that someone who
openly used 'prettyphysicslady' as a 'net address EITHER had not
had experiences which I find common on the 'net, OR wasn't bothered
by the them, OR wasn't female.
And the kind of experiences I've had, I
> linux superbible, and two o'reilly guides to linux amoung others.
Ok. That's surprising. What sections did you look under?
> Yes, Jenn, several people offered useful solutions. The only commentary
> from you was that you already knew it all. If that was the case why
> w
Mary Gardiner wrote:
> That's incredible Jenn. There's an implicit implication that you have the
> right screws there, or that you haven't 'borrowed' screws from all the hard
> drives and ethernet cards to build a second machine and that's pretty damn
>
e User Mode, for a home computer, is the default
case.
Jenn V.
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Mary Gardiner wrote:
> Yes, having admitted to said eviilll knowledge Jenn, I'm afraid you must now
> brain-dump all your knowledge of:
Oh, I'm soo evil!
> 1) Hardware access exploits (how exactly do you remove a hard drive and gain
> access to its data, how
roughly the order
they might want to be in in the final form.
Go for it. :) I'd REALLY appreciate you doing anything you like
to it. :)
Jenn V.
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you miss ou
better and more comprehensive response than any braindump from me
possibly could.
Especially since I've not done much professional sysadmin or security
work in the last few years.
Jenn V.
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"Do you ever wonder if there's a whole section of geek culture
y
#x27;s a configuration option, set on
by default in some distributions, set off by default in others.
Jenn V.
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"Do you ever wonder if there's a whole section of geek culture
you miss out on by being a geek?&q
ad - the checksum
(a means of verifying packet correctness) didn't match with what
it should have been.
Jenn V.
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you miss out on by being a geek?" - Dancer.
[E
27;t you notice it?'
There's probably other things which I know of, understand and
approve of; but which would upset you. The problem is, I can't
think of what they might be. I'm not *intentionally* not telling
you .. I just don't know what your assumptions are!
Jenn V.
' but I'd also say that
it's an innocent documentation error that needs to be corrected.
Jenn V.
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en complacency,
ignorance or apathy are better answers.
It just never *occured* to me that other people wouldn't know this
existed. I can hardly be the only one.
Jenn V.
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"Do you ever wonder if there's a whole section of geek culture
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room.. no big deal.
That's what professional sysadmins do.
Guess we should have asked what the exploit was, huh? Sorry..
Jenn V.
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nages security breaches, patches, advisories and warnings.
Look under 'Incidents, quick fixes and vulnerabilities', there's
'report an incident' and 'reporting guidelines'. Check the guidelines
first, of course. :) But if you tell CERT, it'll be in every sm
the-purpose,
and tell the various webmasters 'Any IRC client will do, here's
one, use the server...'
Low cost, low maintenance, and the webmasters seem happy that they
can use their own choice of client. And the users are happy that
they can use their mirc or pirch or whatever-they-li
y. A retail box distro is instant
> gratification with a shiny new manual.
Heh. I can understand that. ;)
And yes, I've experienced the joy (?) of downloading a distro with
a 28.8 modem.
Jenn V.
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"Do you ever wonder if there's a whole section of geek culture
er's done a lot of Squid proxy work and is also considering
rsync as a proxying tool. Since they're both Open Source geeks,
collaboration could be a Good Thing.
Jenn V.
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"Do you ever wonder if there's a whole section of geek culture
you miss out on by bein
afford to keep
them powerful enough to give fast responses.
Especially on this island/continent, where our backbone
providers have an effective monopoly. :(
In short, it's actually *faster* if the proxy has the web page
in its cache. If not, the proxy is only barely slower than a
router.
get a new distro?"
Um.. correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't the distros actually
free-for-download? And does your college provide bandwidth? :)
Jenn V.
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"Do you ever wonder if there's a whole section of geek culture
you miss out on by being a
ix it: go to httpd.conf, edit it and comment out any
reference to mod_proxy. The syntax varies from version to version,
here's ours:
# LoadModule proxy_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/libproxy.so
Jenn V.
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"Do you ever wonder if there's a whole section of geek c
ch I used one by
> Christof Pohl which enables the use of suexec.
Excellent.
Now if we can only get FrontPage-written web pages to view
properly on browsers OTHER than IE...
Maybe we should make a version of FP extensions which automatically
runs HTML-Tidy. :)
Jenn V.
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"Do you e
ge, if nothing else) when first checking out the
Sourceforge tree.
You only need it when first populating that directory, it's stored
in that directories' CVS data file.
Jenn V.
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you miss ou
Mary Gardiner wrote:
> 2) I don't share my private work with others much, so I don't need to revision
> track so carefully.
Nah.. but CVS acts as a bloody useful backup as well. :)
Jenn V.
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"Do you ever wonder if there's a whole section of geek culture
Mary Gardiner wrote:
> Recently discovered tagging 'good' versions so I can try things out, although
> most people considering branches my private work a tiny bit obsessive.
Why should you treat your private work with any less respect than
your paying work?
Jenn V.
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ourselves to. We're even about to
build our own CVS repository, for our respective work and home
programming foo to go into
Jenn V.
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you miss out on by being a geek?" - Dancer.
[EMAI
No idea where to get it these days, unfortunately, but hopefully
just knowing it exists will help.
Jenn V.
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you miss out on by being a geek?" - Dancer.
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ing about security or
any other things which are around-the-point.. because they'll
wind up occupying your time trying to argue with you. And worse,
they may have valid points!
You just have to lay it on the line and say 'enough'.
Jenn V.
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"Do you ever wonder if there
n.com box, please let me know. :)
Given that 90% of the simegen.com boxes are in this house, and the
remaining box is at our workplace.. it'll mean we've been successfully
hacked.
(or that Dancer or I made a BD coding mistake)
Jenn V.
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"Do you ever wonder if there's a
Samuel Tesla wrote:
> just remember it's:
>
> $ ln -s
And if you're like me and constantly forget which order it's
in, 'ln --help' or 'man ln'.
Your mind it too important to clutter with memorising things that
can be looked up that easily. :
appen -- what happens? Can you hear it? I would
> presume you can hear something is very wrong. Or not?
*crunch*
*grind-grind-grind*
It's audible. But not with builders outside making a hell of a noise
themselves.
Jenn V.
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em boolean logic, and how to construct their own truth tables.
Teach them algorithms, including the brute force 'algorithm'.
Hm. That's a start, anyway.
Jenn V.
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"Do you ever wonder if there's a whole section of geek culture
you miss out on by be
editor
> separate from a programming editor.
Actually, vim does all of those.
Dancer is fond of 'code commander' as well.
Jenn V.
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you miss out on by being a geek?" - Dancer.
27;t plaintext-send stuff like passwords.
But that's not related to this particular problem. Hrm.
Jenn V.
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x27; principle.
This usually means that Jean does the technical and I the administrative,
because (let's face it), I'm usually busy when there's a technical change.
Jenn V.
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you miss ou
eserver with the same
place you registered the domain.
(As stated in a separate post, you can have as many UNregistered
nameservers as you want. They're just not authoritative for a domain.)
Jenn V.
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"Do you ever wonder if there's a whole section of geek culture
t with the authority for that domain. (And
a single DNS can be registered multiple times and be authoritative
for multiple domains.)
Jenn V.
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you miss out on by being a geek?" - D
gh Network Solutions.
The other company just handles it for you. (for a fee)
If you're in other domains (.com.au, for instance) you deal with
whoever administers THAT domain, both for registration and for
registering your nameserver. In the .com.au case, I believe it's
AUNIC .. or maybe M
ey're logging in directly, but check out 'man su'.
Thoroughly. I suspect it logs each use.. or can be made to.
Or get yourself fingerprint/retina identification. :)
Jenn V.
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another for user manuals, another for business proposals...
Advice? Help? Tea?
Jenn V.
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ecting to produce the basic functionality.
System design CAN limit functionality, it CAN prevent something from
being added later. So a wishlist IS important. But don't do a complete
specification for things which aren't going to be in this version. It
just leads to burn-out.
Je
which case, maybe you
can play politics (iewww) till you can do some approximation of this.
I'm really blathering on with this topic .. hopefully I'm making sense.
Jenn V.
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n. And why. Cause you might need that
knowledge in a day's time. Or a week's. Or five years'.
Hm. I've rambled. Hope I've rambled usefully.
Jenn V.
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yo
7;t
need to actually attend uni to get the knowledge. But you DO need to
have it.
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ignificant it is. If it was only two of them,
I'd be inclined to shrug it off as a couple of mangled packets.
OTOH, depending on your paranoia level, you might want to do a
quick self-check for your machines. (IE: has anyone tried to come
in? Is everything working fine?)
Jenn V.
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&
Mary Gardiner wrote:
> I've only been looking at Prolog for a few days though and got very
> frustrated at the step of defining Y true, from knight says Y.
Been many years since I last used prolog. Lemme go grab a book.
true(Y) :-
knight(X)
says(X, Y)
Try that
is a complex
statement, and technically should be separated into 'My husband is
right' and 'Mr Smith is a knight'.
Jenn V.
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! So are they *all* normals?
That's how I worked that set - that's the answer I came up with.
Of course, I didn't overtly use the fancy logical skills I have,
though I did use this as an example of one way to use boolean
logic in my last post.
Jenn V.
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th-tells-lies THEN Mr-Smith-is-not-a-knight
. and so on. Until you hit false statements, or
self-contradictions like that one.
This particular puzzle can also be solved by either propositional or
predicate calculus, which are also on my recommended learn-list. :)
Jenn V.
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fficult than a fibionacci sequence. This is
to ensure that you KNOW how your program actually runs through the CPU,
or can at least make a good guess.
There's other stuff - you can't summarise a 3-year degree in a single
email. But that's a start.
Jenn V.
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Mary Gardiner wrote:
>
> If I
> reconsider the dynamic regeneration of pages make will be involved
> too... but I can't see myself using C for a webpage generation script.
This sentence implies that you think make is only for C. It isn't.
You can use it for anything.
Je
headers and footers, I'd change the scripts make uses and run it
over the whole database, re-uploading the new pages.
Heh. Laurel, you're a woman after my own fingers. (Hey, what's more
critical to a programmer?)
Jenn V.
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"Do you ever wonder if there's a whole
oot from them.
If not, the next suggestion, is Lin4Win or whatever it's called -
the linux-under-windows distribution. Would that work for you?
Jenn V.
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BiOFH wrote:
> Just a thought that occurred to me based on a recent research side-trip...
> ADV is the subject header some states are requiring (or attempting to
> require) on mass advertising (SPAM) email.
OOOPS! You're absolutely right!
Hrm. EXPERT? PROG (for programme
GN rather than text-that-happens-to
-be-on-the-web.
Jenn V.
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_
on to another, without deconstructing the current branch
and making a new one - just move the pointer that points to
the branch.)
*I* couldn't figure out a way to do that within an N-ary tree (other
than also changing the 'where in the tree am I' stuff). I
was wondering if anyone
sible,
and him as wanting to have one...
Jenn V.
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Amanda Babcock wrote:
> Does anybody know how to make vi pass control characters through instead
> of showing them as hex numbers?
IIRC, type ^V before the character. (EG: ^V^C)
Save before you try this...
Jenn V.
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ins for
> hours over why your car won't start. You're rooting about under
> the hood, checking everything, fearing an expensive repair job, when,
> on a lark, you look at the fuel tank and find it empty.
You always find the solution in the last place you look
Jenn V.
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A!
Any day in which you learn something is a good day.
Thanks, Jeff, for making this a good day for me. :)
Jenn V.
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you miss out on by being a geek?" - Da
elieve that woody is now in the stable tree.
Jenn V.
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oth been caused
by C.
I think you can see the light .. and it's not an oncoming train!
Jenn V.
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using
as the install-from media.
Well, if it was me this was happening to, those would be my avenues
of investigation. Sorry I can't be more precise.
Jenn V.
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s, boundary conditions, and
probably annoy the hell out of users.
A thorough checklist will include every feature, alone and in
combination - it will also be impossible to do on most budgets.
I never said 'simple' checklist.. did I? :)
Jenn V.
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oped into a synonym for 'causing
fear/terror', and from there into the state where 'oh, that's awful'
equates to 'oh, that's not at all nice'.
Jenn V.
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is
> problematic for two reasons,
Yes, exactly.
> So, technical discussion #2: How do you deal with an immediate superior
> who is a non-techie (especially when your pay is low, your top priority is
> uni or other reasons why you don't want to be a defacto project manager)?
I escal
e
that feature. It can go in the next release'.
Of course, I have that luxury in every single I job I go to .. don't I?
Yess.
(no.)
Jenn V.
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y can't do extensive QA on hundreds of thousands of
> different hardware configurations.
Game companies aren't sane entities .. or rather, they're well aware
that their audience will put up with buggy software.
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hate' level. I'd fall back to my standard
'test each subroutine, test each feature, in isolation and in groups'
axiom.
My test plans tend to be big long checklists that developers hate. If
anyone's got a better way, PLEASE sa
as anything other than an alpha or a beta release?
(ok, ok. What /sane/ entity?)
And not just free of known bugs, but tested well.
Jenn V.
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[
e faced recently.)
Well, I'd be very happy to use techtalk for such discussions. I've just
never seen them brought up on techtalk.
As for release 1.0: when there's a complete, bugtested set of features
which provide at least a minimum functionality for the type of program.
(Not an alp
Bek Oberin wrote:
>
> Jenn Vesperman wrote:
> >Keep the MTU reasonably down, so that if your
> >partner's doing a large download your chat packets go out promptly
> >anyway. Learn what MTU means, and how to set it.
>
> Okay, time to learn. Wh
Marisa Mack wrote:
>
> i thought maybe someone else would respond, (someone with a better idea
> of what's going on here) but they haven't, so i'll try...
It's always safe to assume that silence means 'we don't know'. :)
Jenn V.
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you
can't quite remember a specific thing, but much less useful if you need
to tie the concept to other things.
Jenn V.
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s what su *IS*. 'switch user'. And if you can get to root, the
entire system is open to you.
Colour me 'not understanding what's bugging you'.
Jenn V.
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you miss out on
/u01/staroffice52/program/soffice
That means the same thing as 'be in the directory
/u01/staroffice52/program and type ./soffice'.
Jenn V.
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, I found it much closer to a 3-hour install
process. YMMV, of course.
Jenn V.
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