Re: [Tagging] parking spaces limited to cars (no busses, trucks, etc.)

2011-04-30 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/4/30 Sebastian Hohmann : > Am 30.04.2011 12:10, schrieb M∡rtin Koppenhoefer: > "motorcar" is supposed to represent the class of "Zeichen 251" (shows a car > from the front), which forbids all double-tracked motor vehicles (which > includes hgv and buses etc).

Re: [Tagging] parking spaces limited to cars (no busses, trucks, etc.)

2011-04-30 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/4/30 Stefan Bethke : > And if you feel you need more classifications, here's a Wikipedia article on > the EU classification: > http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/EG-Fahrzeugklasse (seems there's no English > version) There is no English version of this, and it seems to deal only with trailers an

Re: [Tagging] parking spaces limited to cars (no busses, trucks, etc.)

2011-05-01 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/1 David Murn : > On Sun, 2011-05-01 at 02:10 +0200, Stefan Bethke wrote: > If I was towing a caravan, I wouldnt set my navigation device to think > Im in a car or a motorbike, Id most probably use hgv. this thread is not about hacking your system so that it does roughly what you want, but

Re: [Tagging] Formerly proposed highways

2011-05-02 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/1 Andrew Cleveland : > Can the highway=proposed tag apply to highways which were proposed but > are no longer? no, IMHO highway=proposed doesn't apply. This would not be a proposed (planned) highway but a formerly proposed highway. If you want to put them into OSM nonetheless (many mappers

Re: [Tagging] Vote / Opinion poll about history=event

2011-05-02 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/2 Pieren : > To stop a beginning of edit war > (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Map_Features:historic&action=history), > I would like try something new and ask your feedback about the tag > history=event wiki page. > > This tag is the result of a former discussion ab

[Tagging] [VOTING] service:bicycle

2011-05-03 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
I announce on behalf of Federico Cozzi that voting is open for service:bicycle http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/service:bicycle cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinf

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] sidewalks and trails

2011-05-04 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/4 fly : > Am 04.05.2011 10:31, schrieb Richard Mann: > We just had a discussion on talk-de and the german community about this > issue. > > The problem with footway/cycleway is that they mix access and highway. Well, this is valid for lots of highway types (implicit access, think of motorw

Re: [Tagging] Vote / Opinion poll about history=event

2011-05-05 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/5 John Smith : > Even if historic=event is removed from the wiki, and even if > historic=battlefield is removed I doubt it will stop people mapping > these locations, they are important to people, and people have already > shown that there are physical places that can be mapped. Yes, they

Re: [Tagging] Vote / Opinion poll about history=event

2011-05-05 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/5 Andre Engels : > Unless you are in New Zealand, you're unlikely to tag the same thing: > It's being used for a Maori fortress, see > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P%C4%81_%28M%C4%81ori%29 IMHO the tag is not very well chosen. Besides that I agree with John Smith (subtagging as a fortress)

Re: [Tagging] Vote / Opinion poll about history=event

2011-05-05 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/5 Simone Saviolo : > 2011/5/5 John Smith > Aren't we nitpicking? I've tagged remains of Roman cities whose "physical > presence" is arguable, but nonetheless those are places of historical > interest in that a Roman building or forum was there. Usually you will also find something on the

Re: [Tagging] Vote / Opinion poll about history=event

2011-05-05 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/5 Pieren : > On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 6:26 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > Note that the OP is about historic=event, not battlefield. The edit war > started because  JohnSmith documented what you, Martin, suggested in a > previous thread although that thread showed a

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Car access tag

2011-05-06 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/5 Stefan Bethke : > I've completed the draft and would like to solicit your comments: > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Car_access_tag > > > The proposal introduces a new tag car=* that applies to just cars, and > clarifies the meaning of the motorcar=* tag, which app

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Car access tag

2011-05-06 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/6 Stefan Bethke : >> If you introduce a new class you should define to which vehicles it >> applies. If you can't do it for all countries, do it for your country >> and let others do it for theirs. > > I think you will want to watch the tone you're using. (?) >  Besides, I don't see an e

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Car access tag

2011-05-06 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/6 Stefan Bethke : > Am 06.05.2011 um 12:29 schrieb Nathan Edgars II: >> Isn't motor_vehicle used for this? In my experience, the English term 'motor >> vehicle' does not include sub-motorcycle vehicles, such as motorized >> bicycles. For example, Florida statutes define... +1, this is th

[Tagging] RFC advertising

2011-05-07 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
There is a new draft how to tag advertising objects. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/advertising Are there any comments on this? What should be added/changed? According to tagwatch, some of the proposed values are already in use: http://taginfo.openstreetmap.de/keys/advertisin

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - childcare

2011-05-09 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/8 Flaimo : > no further comments over the last 1 1/2 weeks, so i'll start the > voting phase: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/childcare sorry for writing late, I think there are some problems. E.g. age. if you tagged a feature with amenity=childcare age=4 it would n

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - childcare

2011-05-09 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/9 Brad Neuhauser : > I  notice the suggested rendering is similar to schools.  Don't know about > other areas, but in the US, many childcare centers are run out of private > homes, so that rendering might seem a little strange.  Maybe in that case a > node is a better choice. The question

Re: [Tagging] Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - childcare

2011-05-10 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/10 Flaimo : > Further, i too consider the social facility tags to negative. Besides > that, i couldn't see a social_facility=* value that would fit. the > "or=child" part references to an target audience, which would > correspond more to the "age" tag of my proposal and not the > amenity=ch

Re: [Tagging] Tags for neighborhoods / subdivisions

2011-05-11 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/11 Josh Doe : > It's been about a month now, and I've gotten some feedback from the > talk page. My thoughts are that we either: > > * reuse the existing place=suburb (as the wiki definition seems like > it might work) > * use the new place=neighbourhood yes, you can use suburb for all kin

Re: [Tagging] Tags for neighborhoods / subdivisions

2011-05-11 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/11 Colin Smale : > Of course there can also be parallel > hierarchies, like police force areas and their districts and subdistricts, > or postal systems with major towns, distribution points and individual > postcodes (in the UK these frequently span national borders!). +1, also think abou

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - area:highway

2011-05-11 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/11 Nathan Edgars II : > There's a problem if this is treated like landuse. it is not "landuse", so there is no problem. There is still space for landuse=highway. > The highway landuse goes > up to the edge of the right-of-way, and includes sidewalks and and clear > zones, but your exampl

Re: [Tagging] Requirements for proposals and voting to be valid

2011-05-11 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/11 Ilya Zverev : > I've reverted his edits of the proposal page, but is he right? Is any > proposal with incorrect subject line in tagging@ post (let along those > which weren't mentioned here) automatically invalid? Well, it is an established convention to send an email to tagging with "V

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - area:highway

2011-05-11 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/11 Nathan Edgars II : > The proposal makes reference to landuse, in particular stating that one > might cut off adjacent landuses at its border. But the two positions on > landuse are that it shouldn't be cut or that it should be cut at the > right-of-way line, not at the edge of the roadway

Re: [Tagging] Requirements for proposals and voting to be valid

2011-05-11 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
Actually there is a problem here: http://taginfo.openstreetmap.de/keys/water#values "water" is already in wide use, but most of the values in use are not part of the proposal. Maybe some amendmend or changing of the key name (e.g. water:type seems to be what the proposal wants to achieve: http://t

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - area:highway

2011-05-11 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/11 Tobias Knerr : > Flaimo wrote: > In the example image, "lanes" (in this case: sidewalks) of the road that > are mapped as separate ways also have their own areas. Currently, I tend > to instead support one area for the entire road, containing the central > highway ways and the ways for th

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - voting - childcare

2011-05-11 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/11 Flaimo : > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/childcare#Voting I don't see why there should be "service_hours:childcare". Can't we reuse service_times? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:service_times cheers, Martin ___

Re: [Tagging] Tags for neighborhoods / subdivisions

2011-05-11 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/11 : > Part of the problem is that neighborhoods, unlike official administrative > units, or even Home Owner Associations, don't necessarily have agreed-upon > boundaries.  Different people may consider the same location to be in > different neighborhoods. then it's a node ;-) serious

Re: [Tagging] Tags for neighborhoods / subdivisions

2011-05-11 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/11 Josh Doe : > Can we begin discussion of this? A "place_level" that allows for > unincorporated areas, neighborhoods, and the like. I am not sure that we need a place_level. Such a key would only make sense if there was a clear hierarchy. Place structures can be different overlapping sys

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - voting - childcare

2011-05-12 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/12 Flaimo : > i changed the main key to service_times, but i kept the subkey. > otherwise it would be problematic in case someone want to tag the > office hours separately. IMHO the key service_times refers to the feature, which is children daycare in this case. There is no need to namespa

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - area:highway

2011-05-12 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/12 : > Also, sidewalks are not always directly next to the driving lanes.  There are > sometimes grassy borders between the driving lanes and the sidewalk.   > Typically, this is a meter or so, but can be wider.  On one street here in > Nashville, Tennessee, USA, the sidewalk is about thr

Re: [Tagging] Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - childcare

2011-05-12 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/12 Sean Horgan : > I personally like when OSM definitions are linked to other references, > especially a well-known source like wikipedia. at least then link to a specific version of an article. > From http://www.thefreedictionary.com/social+service: > social service > n. > 1. Organized

Re: [Tagging] website=*url* vs. contact:website=*url*

2011-05-12 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/12 Flaimo : > the reason for that might be, than no editor supports the contact: > syntax. personally, i always use it and type it in manually without > the JOSM preset, because it makes locating all the contact information > in long tag lists much easier. OSM allows everybody to tag whate

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - area:highway

2011-05-12 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/12 fly : > What do we do with dual-carriage ways ? > Sometimes there exist paved connections between both directions. Maybe > blocked by a barrier but that is no need. if they are constantly connected (no change of the paving, no physical barrier) it's actually not a dual-carriage way. If

Re: [Tagging] website=*url* vs. contact:website=*url*

2011-05-12 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/12 Flaimo : > when was the topic of webcams ever mentioned? they are part of the contact-proposal. I mentioned them to point out, that even if everyone followed this proposal and added "contact:" to some of the tags, this wouldn't improve overall consistency. > contact information and wh

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - area:highway

2011-05-13 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/13 Nathan Edgars II : > OK, but there's still the issue of a so-called "flush median". I think in a > rural area with few intersections this would be called a dual carriageway. I > can't find an image, but Interstate 90 used to have one over Lookout Pass in > Idaho. You can imagine http://ww

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - area:highway

2011-05-13 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/13 Nathan Edgars II : > On 5/13/2011 6:47 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > An emergency vehicle could also cross a grass median if there's no raised > barrier. yes, and a person can jump over a 2ft wall and climb a 8ft wall. A series of bollards is no barrier to bicycles a

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - addr keys (2011-04)

2011-05-16 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/14 Flaimo : > any other comments on that proposal? otherwise i'll start the voting phase: > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/addr_keys_%282011-04%29 Yes. You are currently concentrating on the micro level, but there could be a suggestion for the intermediate scale bet

Re: [Tagging] Tagging split exit ramps

2011-05-16 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
isn't this information a router could gain from the data simply by looking where the ramp leads to? cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] [Spam?] JOSM wiki Potlatch2 In consistences fishmonger vs. seafood

2011-05-16 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/16 David Murn : > I agree.  I think seafood is a more generic proposal than 'fishmonger' > which may not be understood as widely. I recall this vivid discussion where in the end it was agreed on shop=seafood (with myself not beeing extremely happy about it, because I'd personally consider

Re: [Tagging] [Spam?] JOSM wiki Potlatch2 In consistences fishmonger vs. seafood

2011-05-16 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/17 David Murn : > I think fishmonger is the shop/retailer, seafood is the product. would you use seafood for freshwater fish? And if yes, also if they sell only freshwater fish? cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - addr keys (2011-04)

2011-05-17 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/17 Flaimo : > something like that should be handled in a seperate proposal, though i > think most of your examples are covered with addr:housename. none of this is covered by addr:housename. addr:housename is for individual names (like "Windsor Castle"), not for descriptions. cheers, Mart

Re: [Tagging] [Spam?] JOSM wiki Potlatch2 In consistencesfishmonger vs. seafood

2011-05-18 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/18 : > In American usage, seafood covers all aquatic-origin food, whether from fresh > water, estuaries, or the ocean. In the context of OSM I am more interested in the British usage. cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreet

Re: [Tagging] [Spam?] JOSM wiki Potlatch2 In consistencesfishmonger vs. seafood

2011-05-19 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/18 Sam Vekemans : > I'll also include a Wikipedia word-definition for each value, as the aim for > this is to not duplicate into other languages, but to 'look at' what the > other language pages have done, then to a google-translate and fill in the > details. You can of course include wiki

Re: [Tagging] URL to view specific Relation version?

2011-05-19 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/20 Dave F. : > Hi > > There's a URL to view specific relation versions. Something like: > > http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/1318928/version/2 this is not a question for tagging. The answer is: http://api.openstreetmap.org/api/0.6/relation/1318928/2 cheers, Martin ___

Re: [Tagging] Residential gardens: deprecate leisure=garden, suggest alternative

2011-05-23 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/23 Tobias Knerr : > This implies that the landuse=residential tag would be used on > smale-scale structures, which I believe should not be done. landuses are > large-scale areas. When you create a landuse polygon for an individual > building or garden, you are doing something wrong, imo. +

Re: [Tagging] Building life cycle

2011-05-31 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/29 Mihkel Rämmel : > If it is not right then please correct me. you can also have a look at start_date which would be inauguration or start of usage of the building. > Would building=yes ruins=yes (3000 uses)  and  building=ruins (850 > uses) mean the same?  Which one would be better to

Re: [Tagging] Fwd: tower:type=lighting proposal

2011-05-31 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/27 Eugene Alvin Villar : > On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 6:46 PM, John Smith wrote: >> "I propose the following new tag {{tag|tower:type|lighting}} as follows:" >> >> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Tag:man_made%3Dtower&diff=next&oldid=639593 > > Would this also include stree

[Tagging] tagging monasteries, convents and

2011-05-31 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
looking at the available data and in the wiki I'm currently missing some tags for monasteries. All I found is this: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:historic%3Dmonastery which suggests to tag former monasteries as historic=monastery and the monastery building as monastery=yes. If I see this

Re: [Tagging] etymology of street names

2011-06-01 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/6/1 Peter Wendorff : > Why not include a weblink to the "reason for the name"? > That could be a wikipedia-link to the page of the person the name comes from > - or something else. The key could be "eponym", but personally I don't see necessity for this. cheers, Martin

Re: [Tagging] tagging monasteries, convents and

2011-06-03 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
Vincent, thank you for your valueable feedback. 2011/6/1 Vincent Pottier : >>> looking at the available data and in the wiki I'm currently missing >>> some tags for monasteries. > They are different things to be tagged : > * the building, that can be tagged in building=monastery ou building=conve

Re: [Tagging] tagging monasteries, convents and

2011-06-03 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
A first draft for monasteries can be found here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/monastery (I am currently working on this, and will extend the content this afternoon). Btw.: I found another argument against the use of a community-tag (against the tag name): there seem to be a

Re: [Tagging] tagging monasteries, convents and

2011-06-03 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/6/3 M∡rtin Koppenhoefer : > A first draft for monasteries can be found here: > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/monastery > (I am currently working on this, and will extend the content this afternoon). OK, I arrived at a point where this should be reviewed b

Re: [Tagging] steps as access to water, and waterfront

2011-06-03 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/6/3 Josh Doe : > I would use highway=steps on the steps, and highway=footway for the > walk along the water. Yes, but probably not on the ladder that gives you access to (or from) the water. I'd tag this on a node (the alternative would be to draw a way with 2 nodes, set layer-tags to the no

[Tagging] building=dormitory for monasteries?

2011-06-03 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
I am currently preparing a proposal for monasteries and part of them is generally also a dormitory. By looking up the wiki I found this page: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:building%3Ddormitory which does limit the use to "sleeping and living quarters for University students, provided by th

Re: [Tagging] steps as access to water, and waterfront

2011-06-06 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/6/4 David Murn : > On Fri, 2011-06-03 at 15:36 +0200, Martijn van Exel wrote: >> Hi, >> >> How would you tag steps that provide access to water? See here: >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/rhodes/5793021284 > > Im trying to map a similar situation, except in my case the bottom 2 > steps are unde

Re: [Tagging] building=dormitory for monasteries?

2011-06-06 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/6/5 Steve Bennett : > On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 3:10 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer > wrote: >> I have at least 2 problems with this definition: >> >> 1. It doesn't seem to be a British English term (at least not with >> this definition) >> 2. It seems to excl

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Club

2011-06-06 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/6/6 Alessio Zanol : > Hello, > this is my feature proposal: > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Club > > Please discuss here or even better in the discussion page on the > wiki. I think that here is a better place to have discussions, that's why I reply here. I like this

Re: [Tagging] building=dormitory for monasteries?

2011-06-06 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/6/6 Brad Neuhauser : > I think it'd make sense to broaden the definition: > "Sleeping and living quarters provided by an institution for (large numbers > of) people associated with that institution.  For example, housing for > university students." in the case of a monastery it is not a quar

Re: [Tagging] building=dormitory for monasteries?

2011-06-06 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/6/6 Brad Neuhauser : > why not just stick with building=residential then? actually in the case of a monastery I would prefer dormitory because it is a dedicated place for sleeping, not for living. There are other buildings for other aspects of "residential" in a monastery from which I would

Re: [Tagging] building=dormitory for monasteries?

2011-06-06 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/6/6 Brad Neuhauser : > If you want to split that hair, "sleeping_quarters" would be a lot more > clear in English than dormitorium.  From your earlier comment on quarters, > it sounds like you might be confused by this term, but "quarters" can apply > to a single structure or part of a structu

Re: [Tagging] building=dormitory for monasteries?

2011-06-08 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/6/7 Steve Bennett : > On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 12:44 AM, Brad Neuhauser > wrote: >> I think it'd make sense to broaden the definition: >> "Sleeping and living quarters provided by an institution for (large numbers >> of) people associated with that institution.  For example, housing for >> univ

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Club

2011-06-09 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/6/7 Alessio Zanol : > In data lunedì 6 giugno 2011 15:13:42, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer ha scritto: >> A last side note: someone mentioned recently on the German ML that >> sport=xy should not be used to describe any kinds of sports but only >> places where you actually ca

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Club

2011-06-09 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/6/8 John Smith : > On 8 June 2011 10:08, David Murn wrote: >> In Australia, 'going to the club' means (generally) going to a licenced >> members-only venue, this is true for many parts of the world I believe, and why I questioned the actual decision for "club" as key (but still supporting t

Re: [Tagging] access=avoid

2011-06-14 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/6/14 Nathan Edgars II : > http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/83524747/history > No comment. you are actually missusing the access-tag because it is intended for legal restrictions and not for recommendations. Why not use another tag? Their number is not limited... cheers, Martin _

Re: [Tagging] access=avoid

2011-06-14 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/6/14 Sander Deryckere : > It's Paul Johnson who introduced the tag, not Nathan. > > Your comment is right, but you should point it to Paul Johnson instead. yes, I saw this, he kept it, so they're sitting in the same boat ;-) Cheers, Martin ___ Ta

Re: [Tagging] access=avoid

2011-06-14 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/6/14 Flaimo : > the wiki page doesn't say that the restriction need to be of a legal > kind. How else can you interpret: "Description For describing the legal accessibility of an element." ? > access=no could also mean that it is physically not accessible > even though it might be allowed

Re: [Tagging] access=avoid

2011-06-14 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/6/14 Nathan Edgars II : > It would be more useful to say why they should avoid, like maxheight=*. btw.: maxheight is a legal restriction as well. Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tag

Re: [Tagging] Missing only_u_turn?

2011-06-19 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/6/19 Andre Engels : > And in that case, only_left_turn or > only_right_turn would seem applicable. +1 cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Kerb

2011-06-22 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/6/22 Pieren : > On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 7:46 PM, Josh Doe wrote: >> >> I removed the yes and no values, because I couldn't see any utility, >> instead offering the "unknown" value. >> > > I don't think it is a good idea. In fact, the 'yes' value is widely used in > OSM when you don't know the

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Kerb

2011-06-22 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
what about introducing a kerb:height ? Implying heights from values like "yes", "raised", "normal" will probably not be very reliable or stable as this might vary from country to country and also in different cities/neighbourhoods. cheers, Martin ___ Ta

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] the map on osm.org - airstrips showing only at zoom 10

2011-06-25 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/6/25 John Smith : > Wasn't there some discussion about that before, how important airports > such as LAX should show sooner than regional airports which should > show up sooner than grass airstrips. Yes, the discussions and proposals are endless for this. Suggestions are usually that you sho

Re: [Tagging] service=drive-through or drive_through?

2011-06-29 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/6/29 David Murn : > Well, technically if were mapping whats on the ground, a lot of > restaurant signs say "Drive thru".  The wiki has a redirect from > drive_thru to drive_through, with 4 occurances of 'drive thru' on the > page, but no explanation about why the tag uses the British English >

Re: [Tagging] service=drive-through or drive_through?

2011-06-30 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/6/30 Eugene Alvin Villar : > In April 2010, I first suggested having another value (namely, > service=drive_thru) for the service=* tag for drive-through lanes > similar to service=parking_aisle: > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2010-April/001710.html > Based on the response

[Tagging] Prevoting: New_barrier_types

2011-06-30 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
Folk, I rediscovered an old proposal which is extending the set of barrier values. Please comment now on this, before we can eventually vote to get this to a more definite status: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/New_barrier_types Cheers, Martin _

Re: [Tagging] service=drive-through or drive_through?

2011-06-30 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/6/30 Eugene Alvin Villar : > Yes and no. It's true that we use underscores simply because we > substitute spaces with underscores. But there's actually a precedent > for substituting an underscore for a hyphen and this is the tag for > specifying power sub-stations (created back in 2007): > ht

Re: [Tagging] Prevoting: New_barrier_types

2011-06-30 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/6/30 Paul Johnson : > The rope barrier pictured is actually a crash fence commonly used as a > cost saving measure on motorway medians in the US. thank you for this comment Paul. I overlooked this and will change it the next days. I guess the thing on the pic is a kind of guard_rail (probabl

Re: [Tagging] Prevoting: New_barrier_types

2011-07-04 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/7/1 Nathan Edgars II : >> thank you for this comment Paul. I overlooked this and will change it >> the next days. I guess the thing on the pic is a kind of guard_rail >> (probably could be subtagged). I didn't put this picture in myself and >> it is not showing what I had in mind when suggesti

Re: [Tagging] Prevoting: New_barrier_types

2011-07-04 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/7/1 Paul Johnson : > On 06/30/2011 05:35 PM, Stephen Hope wrote: >> How about lane dividers?  This is an example below, though where I'm >> thinking of them they actually divide a couple of lanes for about a km >> or so - no lane changing allowed at that point. >> http://www.ingalcivil.com.au/

Re: [Tagging] Prevoting: New_barrier_types

2011-07-04 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/7/2 Gary Gallagher : > I like the proposal. I'm always coming across barriers I can't adequately > tag. The section that also caught my eye was the bit near the end about > subtags like barrier:key=yes/no/number. I've been trying to tag in useful > ways for the blind and was wondering whether

Re: [Tagging] Prevoting: New_barrier_types

2011-07-04 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/7/3 Stephen Hope : > Maybe these are better examples of what I meant, though I have seen > the others in use in the same role. > > http://www.zjeastsea.com/en/lane-divider.html > http://www.roadstud.com.cn/road-studs/61.html > > I wouldn't call them bollards - bollard implies to me something t

Re: [Tagging] service=drive-through or drive_through?

2011-07-04 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/7/1 Brad Neuhauser : > just an FYI, one hyphenated tag still on the wiki & in use is > amenity=parking, parking=multi-storey There is many more of them. I propose to use service=drive-through to follow our standard recommendations (BE, no abbrevs, underscores instead of spaces, hyphens where

Re: [Tagging] service=drive-through or drive_through?

2011-07-04 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/7/4 Eugene Alvin Villar : > On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 8:23 AM, Anthony wrote: >> Besides, the fact that someone made a mistake back in 2007 is not a >> good reason to make a similar mistake today.  There's no good reason >> to replace hyphens with underscores. > > There are plenty of good reason

Re: [Tagging] Prevoting: New_barrier_types

2011-07-04 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/7/4 fly : > Am 04.07.2011 13:03, schrieb M∡rtin Koppenhoefer: >> 2011/7/2 Gary Gallagher : >>> I like the proposal. I'm always coming across barriers I can't adequately >>> tag. The section that also caught my eye was the bit near the end about >>>

Re: [Tagging] service=drive-through or drive_through?

2011-07-04 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/7/4 Eugene Alvin Villar : > 81 instances of denomination=latter_day_saints > http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/denomination=latter_day_saints see below > 331 instances of denomination=seventh_day_adventist > http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/denomination=seventh_day_adventist > 1 in

Re: [Tagging] service=drive-through or drive_through?

2011-07-04 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
btw.: I adjusted the wiki page so that it reflects the original tag and the potlatch preset (JOSM has no preset for this) as well as the English spelling. btw2: The problem is present with drive-in as well. cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Taggi

Re: [Tagging] service=drive-through or drive_through?

2011-07-04 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/7/4 Eugene Alvin Villar : > I prefer to convert hyphens to underscores so why would I "correct" this? and what do you suggest to convert underscores to? cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.

Re: [Tagging] Prevoting: New_barrier_types

2011-07-04 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/7/4 Pieren : > On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 3:51 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > I'm using "barrier=door" from time to time when a private service street is > closed by a door (not a gate) or a named path or footway, again when it is > closed physically by a door (

Re: [Tagging] service=drive-through or drive_through?

2011-07-04 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/7/4 Eugene Alvin Villar : > Your point actually gives us a reason to use underscores instead of > hyphens. If many people can't remember that two words are correctly > hyphenated ("without doing research that a hyphen was correct in the > first place"), why should we force "correct" hyphens wh

Re: [Tagging] service=drive-through or drive_through?

2011-07-04 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/7/4 Eugene Alvin Villar : > I'm not advocating for wrong spelling, but I don't think hyphenation > is part of spelling, but of grammar/syntax. Wikipedia says that > "spelling is the writing of one or more words with letters and > diacritics" and hyphens are neither letters nor diacritics but i

Re: [Tagging] service=drive-through or drive_through?

2011-07-04 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/7/4 SomeoneElse : > On 04/07/2011 17:14, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: >> >> OK, I think we have provided ample arguments for both sides. Only >> three of us have debated this point in the last few hours and I'd >> really like to hear other people's thoughts on this so that we can >> gauge if the

Re: [Tagging] service=drive-through or drive_through?

2011-07-05 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
Hi Eugene, thank you! cheers, Martin 2011/7/5 Eugene Alvin Villar : > On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 2:59 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer > wrote: >> Eugene, I ask you to revert the automated edits you have done in the >> past days concerning drive-throughs, e.g. >> http://www.ope

Re: [Tagging] service=drive-through or drive_through?

2011-07-05 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/7/6 Eugene Alvin Villar : >> well, wikipedia also says that hyphens are sometimes used as diacritics: >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diacritic >> >> ;-) > > [off-list] > > Well, I'd certainly like to see you try and convince people that the > hyphen in "drive-through" is actually a diacritic

Re: [Tagging] Prevoting: New_barrier_types

2011-07-06 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/7/6 Pieren : > http://maps.google.ch/maps?q=paris,+Passage+de+la+Boule+Blanche&hl=fr&ll=48.85134,2.37229&spn=0.001273,0.001982&sll=48.853082,2.370364&sspn=0.002545,0.003964&t=k&z=19&layer=c&cbll=48.851346,2.37229&panoid=M3k9nxcYnp2fn3fpfeP39Q&cbp=12,33.63,,0,-2.44 > > The "Passage de la Boule

Re: [Tagging] Prevoting: New_barrier_types

2011-07-06 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/7/7 Pieren : > And this case, Cour Delepine entrance, Paris: > http://maps.google.ch/maps?q=paris,+Cour+Delepine&hl=fr&ll=48.853267,2.376236&spn=0.001272,0.001982&sll=48.853393,2.376266&sspn=0.002527,0.003964&t=k&z=19&layer=c&cbll=48.853272,2.376236&panoid=QaPsmt8GresisBm_udoo9w&cbp=12,4.87,,0

Re: [Tagging] Introducing Potlatch2 Island - part of the CommonMap group of Islands

2011-07-11 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/7/11 Sam Vekemans > Idea's thoughts? > > I'll be working on this today/tomorrow and work out the layout of one of > the islands, then the rest will follow the same structures > png_url = ttp://too.where.it.is/features/pois/food_pub.n.24.png maybe you can find another key-structure for icon

Re: [Tagging] Introducing Potlatch2 Island - part of the CommonMap group of Islands

2011-07-11 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/7/11 Sam Vekemans > definition = A public house, informally known as a pub, is a drinking >> establishment which is part of British,[1][2] Irish,[3] Australian,[4] and >> New Zealand culture. >> where does this come from? The wiki reads: "An establishment that sells >> alcoholic drinks that

Re: [Tagging] Prevoting: New_barrier_types

2011-07-11 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/7/11 Steve Doerr : >> Thanks - I was wondering what "visor=hedge" meant! > I wonder if screen=hedge would be what they're looking for? +1 yes, in the mentioned discussion on talk-de it was clarified that "visor" is not suitable for these elements. The mapper told us that he found this word

Re: [Tagging] Prevoting: New_barrier_types

2011-07-11 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/7/11 Zsolt Bertalan : > My english, tagging and motorway mapping skills are not good enough, but I > want to learn, that's why I ask you the following questions: > - Is beam_barrier a useful addition to this proposal? I think that a beam_barrier is the same thing as a guard_rail but please c

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Hiking_checkpoint

2011-07-19 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/7/15 Zsolt Bertalan : > No, I see it as a tourism feature. I don't want to introduce a new > namespace. The other tag (hiking_checkpoint=yes) is only needed in the rare > case if we already have a tourism tag. I agree to the others: don't propose 2 tags for the same thing. As you say, stampi

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - playground:splash_pad

2011-07-20 Thread Mrtin Koppenhoefer
2011/7/20 Jason Cunningham : > To > keep things simple the convention is, where possible, to stick with > british_english for tags. +1, BE is the general convention for tags in OSM. > Wikipedia has a use for some people, but openstreetmap is not part of > wikipedia.The english pages are also do

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