Re: [Tagging] Central European insight needed: cukrászda, cukrárna, cukiernia, ciastkarnia, cukráreň, pasticceria, konditorei, patisserie, ...

Am Mo., 29. Juni 2020 um 14:05 Uhr schrieb bkil : > If we already add a type, why can't we make it right? Why not use such > a taxonomy that makes sense, enabling interpretation for both locals > and internationally? I think this is what we all are striving for here, the problem is that it is

Re: [Tagging] Central European insight needed: cukrászda, cukrárna, cukiernia, ciastkarnia, cukráreň, pasticceria, konditorei, patisserie, ...

On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 12:11 PM Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > it is you who knows the cukrászda best. You must decide (together with your > fellow local mappers who also know the feature), whether it is a subtype of > one of the established tags, or whether it is so different that it must get a

[Tagging] QA Tag for addr:city vs al8/al9 boundary

Hi, i am running some address validation pipeline as others do aswell. In Germany we have the case that most of the time the addr:city on the addresses matches the name on the admin_level 8 boundary (Sometimes admin_level 6). So normally you have: boundary=administrative admin_le

Re: [Tagging] Central European insight needed: cukrászda, cukrárna, cukiernia, ciastkarnia, cukráre?, pasticceria, konditorei, patisserie, ...

On Mon, 2020-06-29 at 12:36 +0200, Gábor Fekete wrote: > In Hungary in every restaurant before you pay the bill, the waiter > asks if you want some dessert. She asks you, even if they only have > pancakes as dessert. So one could tag every "amenity=restaurant" with > "cuisine=*;dessert". But the re

Re: [Tagging] Central European insight needed: cukrászda, cukrárna, cukiernia, ciastkarnia, cukráre?, pasticceria, konditorei, patisserie, ...

sent from a phone > On 30. Jun 2020, at 14:13, Philip Barnes wrote: > > Cuisine=dessert is perfectly valid, my local big town has > two restaurants which only sell desserts. doesn’t seem to meet the requirements of the amenity=restaurant tag in OpenStreetMap though („full sit down menus“),

Re: [Tagging] Central European insight needed: cukrászda, cukrárna, cukiernia, ciastkarnia, cukráre?, pasticceria, konditorei, patisserie, ...

On Mon, 2020-06-29 at 12:52 +0100, Paul Allen wrote: > On Mon, 29 Jun 2020 at 12:02, Jake Edmonds via Tagging < > tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > > While it might be used in Paul’s area, McDonalds is not a cafe > > where I am from, and would put money on most British people calling > > it a fas

Re: [Tagging] QA Tag for addr:city vs al8/al9 boundary

IMHO addr:city is the "postal" city at least for countries that have such a concept. With other words validating the tag against admin boundaries is fundamentally flawed to start with and will only work in the cases in which admin entity and postal city just happen to have the same name (in the cou

Re: [Tagging] Central European insight needed: cukrászda, cukrárna, cukiernia, ciastkarnia, cukráre?, pasticceria, konditorei, patisserie, ...

Yes, pretty much sounds like a cukrászda to me. ;-) Especially if they prepare their own desserts and if they take custom orders (why shouldn't they if they already have a pastry cook?). Do they have waited tables? Do they serve alcohol? It would be great if you could share a link to their websit

[Tagging] Is there any case of valid numeric addr:housename - for example addr:housename?

We have 15000 addresses such as addr:housename=3 (  http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/VBS ) Is there some chance that any of them is valid? Because it seems to me that editors should complain about addr:housename with just numbers. I want to check worldwide situation before proposing doing it in say JOS

Re: [Tagging] Central European insight needed: cukrászda, cukrárna, cukiernia, ciastkarnia, cukráre?, pasticceria, konditorei, patisserie, ...

On Tue, 2020-06-30 at 14:45 +0200, bkil wrote: > Yes, pretty much sounds like a cukrászda to me. ;-) > > Especially if they prepare their own desserts and if they take custom > orders (why shouldn't they if they already have a pastry cook?). > > Do they have waited tables? Do they serve alcohol?

Re: [Tagging] Central European insight needed: cukrászda, cukrárna, cukiernia, ciastkarnia, cukráre?, pasticceria, konditorei, patisserie, ...

On Tue, 2020-06-30 at 13:35 +0100, Philip Barnes wrote: > On Mon, 2020-06-29 at 12:52 +0100, Paul Allen wrote: > > On Mon, 29 Jun 2020 at 12:02, Jake Edmonds via Tagging < > > tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > > > While it might be used in Paul’s area, McDonalds is not a cafe > > > where I am fro

Re: [Tagging] Is there any case of valid numeric addr:housename - for example addr:housename?

sent from a phone > On 30. Jun 2020, at 15:08, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging > wrote: > > Is there some chance that any of them is valid? IMHO not, these are likely autocompletion bloopers. I’d support an automatic retagging effort to addr:housenumber (unless there is already a different

Re: [Tagging] Central European insight needed: cukrászda, cukrárna, cukiernia, ciastkarnia, cukráre?, pasticceria, konditorei, patisserie, ...

On Tue, 30 Jun 2020 at 13:37, Philip Barnes wrote: > On Mon, 2020-06-29 at 12:52 +0100, Paul Allen wrote: > > However, taking another look at the wiki for fast food, I see it covers > sit down as well as takeaway only. Which surprised me (never having > had to map a McD). > > > Come to think

Re: [Tagging] Central European insight needed: cukrászda, cukrárna, cukiernia, ciastkarnia, cukráre?, pasticceria, konditorei, patisserie, ...

Jun 30, 2020, 15:18 by pla16...@gmail.com: > On Tue, 30 Jun 2020 at 13:37, Philip Barnes <> p...@trigpoint.me.uk> > wrote: > >> On Mon, 2020-06-29 at 12:52 +0100, Paul Allen wrote: >> >   > >>> However, taking another look at the wiki for fast food, I see it covers >>> sit down as well as takea

Re: [Tagging] Central European insight needed: cukrászda, cukrárna, cukiernia, ciastkarnia, cukráre?, pasticceria, konditorei, patisserie, ...

> I'd be happy with that. Except we don't have seating=yes. We can > differentiate > with takeaway=yes|no|only. However, apart from the chip shop and a Greggs, > all > the fast food joints near me that I can recollect are takeaway=only. So I > don't > get a hint from the icon as to whether I

Re: [Tagging] Central European insight needed: cukrászda, cukrárna, cukiernia, ciastkarnia, cukráreň, pasticceria, konditorei, patisserie, ...

On Tue, 30 Jun 2020 at 12:58, bkil wrote: > On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 12:11 PM Martin Koppenhoefer > > almost everytime find someone who does not agree, and while I have read a > lot of things from Paul that made sense in other contexts, in this > particular discussion it appeared to me that he w

Re: [Tagging] Central European insight needed: cukrászda, cukrárna, cukiernia, ciastkarnia, cukráreň, pasticceria, konditorei, patisserie, ...

Paul Allen: > On Tue, 30 Jun 2020 at 12:58, bkil http://bkil.hu>+a...@gmail.com > > wrote: > > On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 12:11 PM Martin Koppenhoefer > >   > > almost everytime find someone who does not agree, and while I have read a > lot of > things from Paul

Re: [Tagging] Central European insight needed: cukrászda, cukrárna, cukiernia, ciastkarnia, cukráreň, pasticceria, konditorei, patisserie, ...

On Mon, 29 Jun 2020 at 12:35, bkil wrote: > Okay, so at least now I better see where the misunderstanding stems > from. Let's get some facts straight. It may be true that almost all > words in OSM are interpreted within British English, but amenity=café > is an exception (we've decided to leave o

Re: [Tagging] QA Tag for addr:city vs al8/al9 boundary

Hi Tod, Simon, On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 09:49:50AM -0700, Tod Fitch wrote: > Simon is being much more polite and succinct than my first reaction. > Checking the addr:city against the enclosing administrative boundary > will not work well in the areas I am familiar with. Then make it a broader requ

Re: [Tagging] Central European insight needed: cukrászda, cukrárna, cukiernia, ciastkarnia, cukráreň, pasticceria, konditorei, patisserie, ...

On Tue, 30 Jun 2020 at 17:55, Niels Elgaard Larsen wrote: > > From the point of a user, when I am about driving with my wife and we want > to stop > for a nice lunch, I search for cafes and restaurants somewhat nearby. If > we drive 10 > Km to end up at a McDonals-like place we will be disappoint

Re: [Tagging] Central European insight needed: cukrászda, cukrárna, cukiernia, ciastkarnia, cukráreň, pasticceria, konditorei, patisserie, ...

On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 05:29:44PM +0100, Paul Allen wrote: > On Tue, 30 Jun 2020 at 12:58, bkil wrote: > > > On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 12:11 PM Martin Koppenhoefer > > > > > > almost everytime find someone who does not agree, and while I have read a > > lot of things from Paul that made sense in

Re: [Tagging] Central European insight needed: cukrászda, cukrárna, cukiernia, ciastkarnia, cukráreň, pasticceria, konditorei, patisserie, ...

> Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2020 18:14:44 +0100 > From: Paul Allen > Subject: Re: [Tagging] Central European insight needed: cukrászda, > cukrárna, cukiernia, ciastkarnia, cukráreň, pasticceria, > konditorei, patisserie, ... > [...] > > As mentioned by Feket, a coffeehouse usually also has

Re: [Tagging] QA Tag for addr:city vs al8/al9 boundary

Simon is being much more polite and succinct than my first reaction. Checking the addr:city against the enclosing administrative boundary will not work well in the areas I am familiar with. Let me give some examples from the western United States: • The “town” I lived in growing up was Tucson,

Re: [Tagging] Central European insight needed: cukrászda, cukrárna, cukiernia, ciastkarnia, cukráreň, pasticceria, konditorei, patisserie, ...

On Tue, 30 Jun 2020 at 20:13, Gábor Fekete wrote: > > It's about the main function. In an imagined daily routine (similarly to > Bkil), coffeehouse (and cukrászda) is the place of some social life after > or between meals. One can arrange a date with his/her (girl)friend, or even > a meeting with

Re: [Tagging] Central European insight needed: cukrászda, cukrárna, cukiernia, ciastkarnia, cukráre?, pasticceria, konditorei, patisserie, ...

On Tue, 30 Jun 2020 at 23:20, Paul Allen wrote: > Except we don't have seating=yes. We can differentiate > with takeaway=yes|no|only. However, apart from the chip shop and a > Greggs, all > the fast food joints near me that I can recollect are takeaway=only. > But then how do we handle food pl

Re: [Tagging] Is there any case of valid numeric addr:housename - for example addr:housename?

On Tue, 30 Jun 2020 at 23:08, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > We have 15000 addresses such as addr:housename=3 ( > http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/VBS ) > That search is producing an error for me, once over Australia & then again for Western Europe: " This query re

Re: [Tagging] Central European insight needed: cukrászda, cukrárna, cukiernia, ciastkarnia, cukráreň, pasticceria, konditorei, patisserie, ...

On Tue, 30 Jun 2020 at 13:15, Paul Allen wrote: > On Mon, 29 Jun 2020 at 12:35, bkil wrote: >> Note that illustrations depict Burger King, McDonald's and a fish and >> chip shop in England, and that the icon generally depicts a fast food >> item like a burger. It is true that there exist such sma

Re: [Tagging] Central European insight needed: cukrászda, cukrárna, cukiernia, ciastkarnia, cukráreň, pasticceria, konditorei, patisserie, ...

On Wed, 1 Jul 2020 at 01:02, Jarek Piórkowski wrote: > On Tue, 30 Jun 2020 at 13:15, Paul Allen wrote: > > > > That may be the situation where you are but not where I am. More than > > half of the fast food outlets in my town have no seats and are takeaway > only. > > Many chip shops I've encou

Re: [Tagging] Central European insight needed: cukrászda, cukrárna, cukiernia, ciastkarnia, cukráre?, pasticceria, konditorei, patisserie, ...

> But then how do we handle food places in food courts? > > They would all count as =fast_food, as everything is already cooked / > prepared, & they are takeaway only from the actual shopfront, but there is > seating & tables 5m's away, so are they takeaway or sit-down? > These kind of places ar

Re: [Tagging] Central European insight needed: cukrászda, cukrárna, cukiernia, ciastkarnia, cukráreň, pasticceria, konditorei, patisserie, ...

On Tue, 30 Jun 2020 at 20:28, Paul Allen wrote: > On Wed, 1 Jul 2020 at 01:02, Jarek Piórkowski wrote: >> Maybe tag them amenity=takeaway > > Good idea. Except that value is not officially agreed and isn't > rendered. Are you suggesting somebody propose it? It doesn't look like being officiall

Re: [Tagging] Central European insight needed: cukrászda, cukrárna, cukiernia, ciastkarnia, cukráreň, pasticceria, konditorei, patisserie, ...

So just a quick idea, what do you think if we subtyped amenity=café? What non-UK people refer to as a café: amenity=cafe + cafe=coffeehouse Diners/greasy spoon and whatnot: amenity=cafe + cafe=diner Or even this one: amenity=cafe + cafe=teehouse $SUBJECT: amenity=cafe + cafe=cukrászda*** (***We

Re: [Tagging] Is there any case of valid numeric addr:housename - for example addr:housename?

On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 9:15 AM Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > " This query returned no nodes. In OSM, only nodes contain coordinates. > For example, a way cannot be displayed without its nodes" > > Is there a hiccup in the way it's written, or is my system playing up this > morning? > The query onl

Re: [Tagging] Is there any case of valid numeric addr:housename - for example addr:housename?

On 30/6/20 11:16 pm, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone On 30. Jun 2020, at 15:08, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote: Is there some chance that any of them is valid? IMHO not, these are likely autocompletion bloopers. Highly likely these are errors. However it is not imposs

Re: [Tagging] Is there any case of valid numeric addr:housename - for example addr:housename?

On Wed, 1 Jul 2020 at 12:26, Andrew Davidson wrote: > > The query only returns a count of how many elements it found. If you want > to map them you'll need a modified version: > > http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/VDp > Thanks! Graeme ___ Tagging mailing l