So just a quick idea, what do you think if we subtyped amenity=café? What non-UK people refer to as a café: amenity=cafe + cafe=coffeehouse
Diners/greasy spoon and whatnot: amenity=cafe + cafe=diner Or even this one: amenity=cafe + cafe=teehouse $SUBJECT: amenity=cafe + cafe=cukrászda*** (***We're still working on the word to recommend, but many came up already, like dessert, dessert_bakery, sweet_bakery, fancy_bakery, patisserie and others) For the kind of cukrászda where you can not sit in, we could also add takeaway=only/capacity=0 to this or maybe introduce shop=*** instead. On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 11:40 PM Paul Allen <pla16...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Tue, 30 Jun 2020 at 20:13, Gábor Fekete <fekgab...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> It's about the main function. In an imagined daily routine (similarly to >> Bkil), coffeehouse (and cukrászda) is the place of some social life after or >> between meals. One can arrange a date with his/her (girl)friend, or even a >> meeting with a business partner for a short talk in a posh coffeehouse in a >> calm ambience (soft chillout music, porcelain tableware). It's not about the >> food or the coffee :) > > > So nobody would ever go to a cukrászda alone, just to eat the limited fare. > And nobody would ever have a romantic meeting at a McDonalds. Except > that both of those happen. Yeah, I know you said main function, but it's all > blurred together, especially with the existing tags. McDonalds calls itself > a fast food restaurant yet I get mocked because it occupies my mental > space for "cafe" and I think of "fast food" as a type of cuisine. > > The discussions so far make things murkier. At one moment bkil argues > that cukrászda sell only coffee and should be split off, and that sounds > sensible. Then he says they sell cakes. And sandwiches. Which puts > them into that broad category in the wiki for amenity=cafe, which > encompasses anything from coffee shops to diners (but not if the > diners sell fast food, everyone assures me). > > A cukrászda sounds almost like a UK coffee shop, which can be for > socializing/meeting but is also for people who feel a little hungry. Except > places that start out as coffee shops in the UK usually end up selling more > substantial meals too. > > It is a horrible mess. Our tags, especially amenity=cafe, are a poor fit to > reality. Retagging everything would be the only way to bring some sense to > it. > But that will never happen. Maybe the best we can do is carve out something > for > coffee shops that can be applied to newly-mapped POIs and accept that the rest > is a mess. Doing that might let this thread die down. > > -- > Paul > > _______________________________________________ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging _______________________________________________ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
