Re: [Tagging] Which languages are admissible for name:xx tags?

Hi Simon. Do you have a link? The Municipality I live in has sensible names in WD https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q3240427 Does it matter to us in OSM if it "has the name"? I'm thinking that we outsource all the naming to WD to deal with and fight over. In OSM we could instead concentrate on e.g.

Re: [Tagging] Which languages are admissible for name:xx tags?

On March 25, 2020 11:50:15 AM GMT+01:00, Phake Nick wrote: >在 2020年3月25日週三 18:34，Frederik Ramm 寫道： > >> Hi, >> >> On 25.03.20 11:19, Phake Nick wrote: >> > My guess is that about 5% of name:xx tags in OSM actually >represent a >> > unique name in its own right; all others are either cop

Re: [Tagging] Which languages are admissible for name:xx tags?

On March 25, 2020 2:08:33 PM GMT+01:00, Paul Allen wrote: >On Wed, 25 Mar 2020 at 10:02, wrote: > >> Honestly I don't think it makes sense for OSM to have names at all on >> objects which has a Wikidata reference. >> > >Not all mappable objects have a Wikidata reference. Cities and big >towns,

Re: [Tagging] Which languages are admissible for name:xx tags?

Thank you very much for writing that post. I wholeheartedly agree with your arguments. On the basis of this it makes even more sense to sidestep the name issues and leave the battle to wikidatans. We just map what is on the ground and they fight over the rest with references, judgements of so

Re: [Tagging] Which languages are admissible for name:xx tags?

Just using the entry for your place, do you really think that an entry like say Swiss High GermanHärnösand makes sense? (Swiss High German is de-CH). Simon Am 27.03.2020 um 10:07 schrieb pang...@riseup.net: > Hi Simon. > > Do you have a link? The Municipality I live in has sensible names in > W

Re: [Tagging] Updating definition and description of place=square

Am Di., 24. März 2020 um 18:23 Uhr schrieb Greg Troxel : > Around here, squares are not square. (Oral tradition is that our roads > used to be cow paths.) indeed, from this thread it seems we all agree that squares do not have to have a square shape (even who asked about this seems was of this

Re: [Tagging] Which languages are admissible for name:xx tags?

Does it matter what I as a swede think? If the tourists/officials visiting speaking Swiss High German(among each other) choose to call this city that its fine by me. If the city ever translate their homepage to de-ch I suppose they would call it the same. Names are (in my view) socially const

Re: [Tagging] Updating definition and description of place=square

On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 at 14:09, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > Am Di., 24. März 2020 um 14:07 Uhr schrieb Paul Allen >: > >> An area that was once used as a town square (hard-surfaced place where >> the public >> congregate and may or may not be used for meetings) may retain the name >> "Foo Square"

Re: [Tagging] Which languages are admissible for name:xx tags?

On Fri, 27 Mar 2020 at 11:47, pangoSE wrote: > Does it matter what I as a swede think? > Perhaps. It depends how you answer my question below. :) Names are (in my view) socially constructed and constantly agreed upon by > the users of the language. I don't speak Swiss High German so I'm not > r

Re: [Tagging] Which languages are admissible for name:xx tags?

The point is that the name in question isn't actually the name in de-CH, it's the Swedish name. The general norm all over the world is that most places -don't- have names in languages that are not used locally. Pretending that they do isn't a useful concept and yes they typically won't have transl

Re: [Tagging] Updating definition and description of place=square

Disclaimer: I am German, so I am tackling the issue with my conscious and unconscious German background: The German word for a "square" is Platz, a word that can also mean "location". I would like to came back to the proposal of using place=square with the addition of the type of the square as a

Re: [Tagging] Which languages are admissible for name:xx tags?

On Fri, 27 Mar 2020 at 12:31, Simon Poole wrote: > The point is that the name in question isn't actually the name in de-CH, > it's the Swedish name. > I was hoping some would understand better by reversing the positions. > The general norm all over the world is that most places -don't- have nam

Re: [Tagging] Which languages are admissible for name:xx tags?

I think we are in violent agreement. Am 27.03.2020 um 14:04 schrieb Paul Allen: > On Fri, 27 Mar 2020 at 12:31, Simon Poole > wrote: > > The point is that the name in question isn't actually the name in > de-CH, it's the Swedish name. > > > I was hoping some would u

Re: [Tagging] Which languages are admissible for name:xx tags?

在 2020年3月27日週五 17:14， 寫道： > > > On March 25, 2020 11:50:15 AM GMT+01:00, Phake Nick > wrote: > >在 2020年3月25日週三 18:34，Frederik Ramm 寫道： > > > >> Hi, > >> > >> On 25.03.20 11:19, Phake Nick wrote: > >> > My guess is that about 5% of name:xx tags in OSM actually > >represent a > >> > uniqu

Re: [Tagging] Updating definition and description of place=square

sent from a phone > On 27. Mar 2020, at 13:06, Paul Allen wrote: > > This is untrue of British English, when speaking of town squares. In geometry > a square is a particular shape, a subset of the class of rectangles, In the > geometrical sense objects can be square regardless of their funct

Re: [Tagging] Updating definition and description of place=square

sent from a phone > On 27. Mar 2020, at 13:36, Volker Schmidt wrote: > > I would like to came back to the proposal of using place=square with the > addition of the type of the square as a second key where we can accommodate > the various interpretations according the local varieties. I ag

Re: [Tagging] Updating definition and description of place=square

On Fri, 27 Mar 2020 at 21:59, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > to give an example of an object which I would call a square (maybe not in > English): https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/51.50997/-0.13430 > > Piccadilly Circus (note the different word). > Not a place I've ever been to. But I can

Re: [Tagging] Which languages are admissible for name:xx tags?

On Fri, 27 Mar 2020 at 22:23, Paul Allen wrote: > > If we English speakers are looking at a map of the world, we prefer to see > our own names for places. The media here don't report an earthquake in > Roma > but an earthquake in Rome. They don't report a general strike in > Deutschland > but a

Re: [Tagging] Updating definition and description of place=square

W dniu 27.03.2020 o 23:30, Paul Allen pisze: > The first words of the first sentence of the first paragraph of that > WP article: > "Piccadilly Circus is a road junction and public space..."  Public > space, so > as far as OSM tagging based upon British English goes, place=square. And later in thi

Re: [Tagging] Updating definition and description of place=square

Martin Koppenhoefer writes: > Am Di., 24. März 2020 um 18:23 Uhr schrieb Greg Troxel : > >> So one definition is >> >> a square is an area with an indistinct boundary that is known by a >> placename by most locals. > > I would rather say "distinct" boundaries". This leads me to understand ho

Re: [Tagging] Updating definition and description of place=square

On Sat, 28 Mar 2020 at 00:08, Greg Troxel wrote: What about a grassy area surrounded by streets. We call that "town > common" usually (even though people may not bring their animals to graze > on it), but we would not call it a square, almost always. > Could be a common or a park, depending. N

Re: [Tagging] Updating definition and description of place=square

On Fri, Mar 27, 2020 at 5:23 PM Paul Allen wrote: > I can think of one US city square which has "square" in the name > (not square shaped, though) that is rather well-known. If you > can't think of it the ball will drop eventually, at midnight on Dec 31st. > > The University of Washington has "

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - RFC - Overhead lines management (consecutive to line_attachment)

Hi and thank you Joseph, Answers are on the Talk page https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/Lines_management All the best François Le ven. 27 mars 2020 à 01:55, Joseph Eisenberg a écrit : > The explanation of line_management=branch is not very clear: > > "==Loops are actu

Re: [Tagging] Updating definition and description of place=square

"taking "Harvard Square" as an example, that refers to an area around the road junctions. It includes the sidewalks, and it includes the businesses and buildings that are on the roads that border the center, and even includes things that are perhaps 50-100m down side roads, as long as they are sor

Re: [Tagging] Which languages are admissible for name:xx tags?

Hello, sorry I'm late to this discussion. I added a bunch of Klingon language country names to OSM a few days ago, which were reverted. Regardless about whether the OSM community think names in {tlhIngan Hol} should get the {HISlaH} "yea" or {ghobe'} "nay", I think it's important that any rule

Re: [Tagging] Updating definition and description of place=square

> On Mar 27, 2020, at 5:29 PM, Clifford Snow wrote: > > > > On Fri, Mar 27, 2020 at 5:23 PM Paul Allen > wrote: > > I can think of one US city square which has "square" in the name > (not square shaped, though) that is rather well-known. If you > can't think of i

Re: [Tagging] Which languages are admissible for name:xx tags?

在 2020年3月27日週五 21:05，Paul Allen 寫道： > On Fri, 27 Mar 2020 at 12:31, Simon Poole wrote: > >> Pretending that they do isn't a useful concept and yes they typically >> won't have transliterations either. >> > I'm not pretending the street I'm on has a name in Mandarin. But the > country I'm in doe