Re: [Tagging] Trailhead tagging

2019-01-01 Thread Peter Elderson
At this point, I settle for just requiring that it's a named location visibly designated as access point for one ore more recreational routes. So just a node tagged highway=trailhead and name=. Which node? Well, if it's just the start with a name on a guidepost, use the guidepost node. If it's an

Re: [Tagging] request for review: OSM wiki rewording of tourism=motel based on Wikipedia

2019-01-01 Thread LeTopographeFou
I also reached this conclusion some time ago but looking at how it is difficult to change something regarding tagging I stop authorizing myself thinking that such situation CAN be changed. However I'm not affraid of such major change if it can bring enhancement. I'm ok to consider a proposal wh

[Tagging] Feature Proposal – RFC – natural=peninsula (Was: Feature Proposal – RFC – place=peninsula)

2019-01-01 Thread Markus
Hello everyone, Thanks for your comments so far! I've changed the proposed tag to natural=peninsula: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Tag:natural%3Dpeninsula Is the distinction of peninsulas from capes correct (see section See also)? Wishing you all a happy new year! Regar

Re: [Tagging] request for review: OSM wiki rewording of tourism=motel based on Wikipedia

2019-01-01 Thread Markus
On Monday, December 31, 2018, Tobias Wrede wrote: > > Now that several comments here indicate that the only practical > distinction today is the name on the front sign I come to think that we > could abandon the tag altogether. > +1 ___ Tagging mailing

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal – RFC – natural=peninsula (Was: Feature Proposal – RFC – place=peninsula)

2019-01-01 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Wed, 2 Jan 2019 at 02:01, Markus wrote: > > Is the distinction of peninsulas from capes correct (see section See also)? > I have concerns about the definition of peninsula that you've used "a piece of land nearly surrounded by water and *connected to a larger land area by an isthmus, that is

Re: [Tagging] request for review: OSM wiki rewording of tourism=motel based on Wikipedia

2019-01-01 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Tue, 1 Jan 2019 at 23:52, LeTopographeFou wrote: > I'm ok to consider a proposal which would lead to the tourism=accomodation > schema. > > But I think that whatever we do (new schema vs existing schema) an > "Accomodation" wiki page (routing to hotel/motel/... tags) will be helpfull > to toda

Re: [Tagging] request for review: OSM wiki rewording of tourism=motel based on Wikipedia

2019-01-01 Thread Dave Swarthout
LeTopographeFou wrote: > I also reached this conclusion some time ago but looking at how it is difficult to change something regarding tagging I stop authorizing myself thinking that such situation CAN be changed. However I'm not >affraid of such major change if it can bring enhancement. I'm ok to

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal – RFC – natural=peninsula (Was: Feature Proposal – RFC – place=peninsula)

2019-01-01 Thread Dave Swarthout
Agree with Graeme. I like the illustration he shared too, "a cape can be found at the end of a peninsula (and, in my experience, often are) while you'll never see a peninsula at the end of a cape." The state of Florida is a peninsula as is India, at least by someone's definition. On Wed, Jan 2, 20

[Tagging] Dispute on tagging place=* in Turkmenistan

2019-01-01 Thread Allan Mustard
Looking for some guidance here from the tagging experts. Please see the dispute section on the Turkmenistan wiki discussion page https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Turkmenistan#Disputed:_Suggested_Place_Tags_for_Administrative_Subdivisions The nub is that I advocate classifying Turkmenistan

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal – RFC – natural=peninsula (Was: Feature Proposal – RFC – place=peninsula)

2019-01-01 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 2. Jan 2019, at 00:14, Dave Swarthout wrote: > > The state of Florida is a peninsula as is India, at least by someone's > definition. also a significant part of Italy: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_Peninsula Cheers, Martin

Re: [Tagging] Dispute on tagging place=* in Turkmenistan

2019-01-01 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 2. Jan 2019, at 00:44, Allan Mustard wrote: > > What do you think? I have never understood why people wanted to add place tags to administrative territorial entities like countries, states or municipalities. Aren’t these thoroughly defined with boundary=administrativ

Re: [Tagging] Dispute on tagging place=* in Turkmenistan

2019-01-01 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Tue, Jan 1, 2019 at 6:46 PM Allan Mustard wrote: > > Looking for some guidance here from the tagging experts. Please see the > dispute section on the Turkmenistan wiki discussion page > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Turkmenistan#Disputed:_Suggested_Place_Tags_for_Administrative_Su

Re: [Tagging] Dispute on tagging place=* in Turkmenistan

2019-01-01 Thread marc marc
Le 02.01.19 à 00:44, Allan Mustard a écrit : > Looking for some guidance here from the tagging experts.  Please see the > dispute section on the Turkmenistan wiki discussion page > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Turkmenistan#Disputed:_Suggested_Place_Tags_for_Administrative_Subdivisions

Re: [Tagging] Dispute on tagging place=* in Turkmenistan

2019-01-01 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Tue, Jan 1, 2019 at 7:11 PM Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > I have never understood why people wanted to add place tags to administrative > territorial entities like countries, states or municipalities. Aren’t these > thoroughly defined with boundary=administrative and the related admin_level?

Re: [Tagging] Dispute on tagging place=* in Turkmenistan

2019-01-01 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Those municipalities are relations of type=boundary and boundary=administrative with an appropriate admin_level, no? These are different from the OSM settlements, which are mapped as a node at the center of a city, town, village, hamlet or isolated dwelling or farm. While the pages suggest certai

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal – RFC – natural=peninsula (Was: Feature Proposal – RFC – place=peninsula)

2019-01-01 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Other big peninsulas: Yucatán (in Mexico), Baja California, Patagonia(Argentina/Chile), Iberia (Spain and Portugal), the Malay peninsula (southern Thailand and Malaysia), and Korea. Most of Arabia could be considered a very large peninsula as well. Certainly these are different than the node that

Re: [Tagging] Dispute on tagging place=* in Turkmenistan

2019-01-01 Thread Allan Mustard
Very interesting. In the Turkmen case, the classifications are defined in law and involve both size (though population data are secret) and type of governance structure (for full details please see https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Turkmenistan#Administrative_Structure). Is it fair to call a s

Re: [Tagging] Dispute on tagging place=* in Turkmenistan

2019-01-01 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
In OSM a neighborhood is a named part of a larger settlement, usually a town or suburb or city, though in Indonesia some “desa” (villages) consist of a dozen named “kampung” (neighborhoods). Suburbs are also considered parts of larger towns or cities. So a city can be divided into a dozen suburbs,

Re: [Tagging] Dispute on tagging place=* in Turkmenistan

2019-01-01 Thread Allan Mustard
By that definition, then, calling an autonomous village with its own council a "neighbourhood" would be erroneous, correct? On Tue, Jan 1, 2019 at 10:24 PM Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > In OSM a neighborhood is a named part of a larger settlement, usually a > town or suburb or city, though in Indone

Re: [Tagging] Dispute on tagging place=* in Turkmenistan

2019-01-01 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Wed, 2 Jan 2019 at 10:32, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > > But in a densely populated region, like Java (where there are 120,000 > million people on one island), > Wow, I knew java was crowded ... :-) Thanks Graeme ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@open

Re: [Tagging] Dispute on tagging place=* in Turkmenistan

2019-01-01 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
That’s the American million, you remove 3 zeros from the British version, right? Like how a trillion is a billion? Something like that. :-) https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/million_billion_trillion.png (See hover-over text) On Wed, Jan 2, 2019 at 12:48 PM Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > > On Wed, 2 Jan

Re: [Tagging] Dispute on tagging place=* in Turkmenistan

2019-01-01 Thread Allan Mustard
Not according to the wiki. It seems nodes are the accepted way of identifying a settlement, municipal or otherwise. On Tue, Jan 1, 2019 at 7:11 PM Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > sent from a phone > > > On 2. Jan 2019, at 00:44, Allan Mustard wrote: > > > > What do you think? > > > I have nev

Re: [Tagging] Dispute on tagging place=* in Turkmenistan

2019-01-01 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
It depends on if it is part of a continuous urban settlement or not. I use “suburb” and “neighborhood” for places that are considered to be part of a larger place. Usually these are mainly urban places, where most people are involved in services and industry rather than agriculture or forestry or

Re: [Tagging] Dispute on tagging place=* in Turkmenistan

2019-01-01 Thread Allan Mustard
I put some examples in the table located here: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Turkmenistan#Administrative_Structure On Tue, Jan 1, 2019 at 11:17 PM Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > It depends on if it is part of a continuous urban settlement or not. > > I use “suburb” and “neighborhood” for places

Re: [Tagging] Dispute on tagging place=* in Turkmenistan

2019-01-01 Thread Dolly Andriatsiferana
> > I suspect this sort of classification can work even in places that do not > have good population figures available, like where I map in Indonesia. For > example: > a farm or isolated dwelling has only 1 or 2 households, a hamlet has a few > families but no services (maybe there is a tiny kiosk