Re: [Tagging] RFD tag:shop=camera?

2015-06-03 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
> Am 03.06.2015 um 04:25 schrieb Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>: > > I've added the tag shop=camera on a node .. reflecting ONE shop I have > mapped. > There are others that I can tag (when I get to them). > > They sell cameras, video or still, tripods, memory cards, filters etc etc. is t

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] OSM is a right mess

2015-06-03 Thread Shawn K. Quinn
On Wed, 2015-06-03 at 08:00 +0200, Maarten Deen wrote: > On 2015-06-03 02:04, pmailkeey . wrote: > > iD shows oneway=unknown if it's not set. If it's unknown, iD should > > not show oneway at all. > > I agree. > > > In OSM if oneway=no then it's not oneway and the oneway tag should not > > appear

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] OSM is a right mess

2015-06-03 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
> Am 03.06.2015 um 10:39 schrieb Shawn K. Quinn : > > I have yet to see a > case where oneway=-1 is truly needed. Do any exist? it depends what is "truly needed", most attributes and tags can be inverted without changing the way direction (forward, left, incline etc). Those ways that are d

Re: [Tagging] RFD tag:shop=camera?

2015-06-03 Thread johnw
Chain stores usually deal in camera sales and prints with a smattering of accessories and services, or a store that does head shots also rents gear or the like. They are usually a mixed bag. But even in my sleepy little town, there is a “camera” store. It is not a photo store, he doesn’t sell

Re: [Tagging] OSM is a right mess (was: Craigslist OpenStreetMap Rendering Issue)

2015-06-03 Thread Richard
On Tue, Jun 02, 2015 at 07:28:11PM -0500, John Eldredge wrote: > The reason for tag/value pairs such as oneway=no is that the absence of a > oneway tag can mean either that it is unknown whether a given way is one-way > or not, or that it is definitely known to be not be one-way. Using > one-way=no

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] OSM is a right mess

2015-06-03 Thread Maarten Deen
On 2015-06-03 12:08, Shaun McDonald wrote: On 3 Jun 2015, at 07:00, Maarten Deen wrote: I agree that in every case where oneway=yes is not implied, oneway=no is superfluous (in a network design way), but that does not make oneway=no superfluous. There are some cases where oneway=no is us

Re: [Tagging] OSM is a right mess (was: Craigslist OpenStreetMap Rendering Issue)

2015-06-03 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
> Am 03.06.2015 um 12:18 schrieb Richard : > > oneway=uknown > > for the cases where soemone is not sure? Without a possibility to express > that possibility armchair mappers can either stop mapping roads they dont > know or make a mess of the data. armchair mappers without local knowledge

Re: [Tagging] RFD tag:shop=camera?

2015-06-03 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2015-06-03 11:50 GMT+02:00 johnw : > But even in my sleepy little town, there is a “camera” store. > > It is not a photo store, he doesn’t sell film, memory cards or prints. > > so this is the distinction, selling also film and memory cards and prints? The current definition for shop=photo doesn'

Re: [Tagging] OSM is a right mess (was: Craigslist OpenStreetMap Rendering Issue)

2015-06-03 Thread Richard
On Wed, Jun 03, 2015 at 12:44:13PM +0200, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > > > > Am 03.06.2015 um 12:18 schrieb Richard : > > > > oneway=uknown > > > > for the cases where soemone is not sure? Without a possibility to express > > that possibility armchair mappers can either stop mapping road

Re: [Tagging] OSM is a right mess (was: Craigslist OpenStreetMap Rendering Issue)

2015-06-03 Thread Sachin Dole
If oneway=unknown is not present then it already is implicitly there. Too many tags showing that something is unknown may not be needed. On Wed, Jun 3, 2015, 6:49 AM Richard wrote: > On Wed, Jun 03, 2015 at 12:44:13PM +0200, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Am 03.06.2015 um 12:18

Re: [Tagging] OSM is a right mess (was: Craigslist OpenStreetMap Rendering Issue)

2015-06-03 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
> Am 03.06.2015 um 13:48 schrieb Richard : > > Better ideas? there's highway=road in use for situations where you trace from aerial imagery and have no clue about the situation on the ground (name, oneway, maxspeed etc) cheers, Martin ___ Taggin

Re: [Tagging] RFD tag:shop=camera?

2015-06-03 Thread Marc Gemis
On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 11:50 AM, johnw wrote: > How many people are going to understand that I need a “wooden home goods” > shop tag? There is an old traditional store that sells all the things for > your house - from yard tools, to buckets, to bathtubs - made out of wood by > an expert craftsman

Re: [Tagging] RFD tag:shop=camera?

2015-06-03 Thread John Eldredge
Some businesses that were formerly in the film-developing trade have shifted over into producing prints from digital photos. The professional-grade color printers produce noticeably better results than consumer-grade printers do. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com "Darkness cannot driv

[Tagging] SHAPE_Leng, SHAPE_Area, GIS_ACRES

2015-06-03 Thread Mike Thompson
I am encountering the tags SHAPE_Leng, SHAPE_Area, GIS_ACRES on US National Forests. If I am making other edits to the OSM element in question, can these be deleted? Converted to some other tag? Thanks, Mike ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetm

Re: [Tagging] SHAPE_Leng, SHAPE_Area, GIS_ACRES

2015-06-03 Thread Clifford Snow
On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 8:59 AM, Mike Thompson wrote: > I am encountering the tags SHAPE_Leng, SHAPE_Area, GIS_ACRES on US > National Forests. If I am making other edits to the OSM element in > question, can these be deleted? Converted to some other tag? They don't seem necessary since they can

Re: [Tagging] SHAPE_Leng, SHAPE_Area, GIS_ACRES

2015-06-03 Thread Mike Thompson
Clifford, Thanks, if there are no objections, I will delete the next time I am making other edits. Mike On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 10:03 AM, Clifford Snow wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 8:59 AM, Mike Thompson wrote: > >> I am encountering the tags SHAPE_Leng, SHAPE_Area, GIS_ACRES on US >> Nat

Re: [Tagging] SHAPE_Leng, SHAPE_Area, GIS_ACRES

2015-06-03 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 8:59 AM, Mike Thompson wrote: > I am encountering the tags SHAPE_Leng, SHAPE_Area, GIS_ACRES on US > National Forests. If I am making other edits to the OSM element in > question, can these be deleted? Converted to some other tag? > Those are leavings from an import. GIS

Re: [Tagging] SHAPE_Leng, SHAPE_Area, GIS_ACRES

2015-06-03 Thread Mike Thompson
On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 10:20 AM, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: > > > If there's a primary key from the original source, that has some value, do > leave that. > I don't think there is, but I will make sure to leave it if there is. > > > > Also take a look to see if the shape could be simplified: often tho

Re: [Tagging] RFD tag:shop=camera?

2015-06-03 Thread Andreas Goss
Created/Changed the Wiki page: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dcamera I think what we need might be a tag that in general indicates where you can get prints __ openstreetmap.org/user/AndiG88 wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:AndiG88‎ __

Re: [Tagging] Enough is enough

2015-06-03 Thread pmailkeey .
On 3 June 2015 at 10:17, Chris Hill wrote: > Mike, > After our last exchange of messages I thought you were trying to fit in at > least a bit. Since then I have watched your emails steadily descend into > trolling and abuse. > > Time to either shut up (which I doubt you can) or leave before you'r

Re: [Tagging] OSM is a right mess (was: Craigslist OpenStreetMap Rendering Issue)

2015-06-03 Thread pmailkeey .
On 3 June 2015 at 02:51, Andreas Goss wrote: > No tag >> Tag oneway >> tag twoway >> >> not an'equals' in sight and difficult to mistake twoway for oneway. >> > > I would say that's much worse both for mappers as well as consumers. Not > even to mention documentation, because now you have two wi

Re: [Tagging] OSM is a right mess (was: Craigslist OpenStreetMap Rendering Issue)

2015-06-03 Thread Warin
On 3/06/2015 11:16 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Am 03.06.2015 um 13:48 schrieb Richard : Better ideas? there's highway=road in use for situations where you trace from aerial imagery and have no clue about the situation on the ground (name, oneway, maxspeed etc) Errr road is where yo

Re: [Tagging] Enough is enough

2015-06-03 Thread Warin
On 4/06/2015 8:17 AM, pmailkeey . wrote: On 3 June 2015 at 10:17, Chris Hill > wrote: Mike, Deleted. What is wrong with you ? That appears to be a personal private message addressed to you Mike. I deplore broadcasting it on on public forum unless you ha

Re: [Tagging] RFD tag:shop=camera?

2015-06-03 Thread Warin
On 4/06/2015 3:37 AM, Andreas Goss wrote: Created/Changed the Wiki page: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dcamera I think what we need might be a tag that in general indicates where you can get prints I think that is the present shop=photo ... but its wili description is not clear

Re: [Tagging] RFD tag:shop=camera?

2015-06-03 Thread John Willis
Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 3, 2015, at 10:46 PM, Marc Gemis wrote: > > >> On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 11:50 AM, johnw wrote: >> How many people are going to understand that I need a “wooden home goods” >> shop tag? There is an old traditional store that sells all the things for >> your house

Re: [Tagging] Enough is enough

2015-06-03 Thread pmailkeey .
On 4 June 2015 at 00:09, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 4/06/2015 8:17 AM, pmailkeey . wrote: > > > > On 3 June 2015 at 10:17, Chris Hill wrote: > >> Mike, >> > Deleted. > > What is wrong with you ? > > > > That appears to be a personal private message addressed to you Mike. > > I

Re: [Tagging] RFD tag:shop=camera?

2015-06-03 Thread pmailkeey .
On 3 June 2015 at 03:25, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > I've added the tag shop=camera on a node .. reflecting ONE shop I have > mapped. > There are others that I can tag (when I get to them). > > They sell cameras, video or still, tripods, memory cards, filters etc etc. > > Any ide

Re: [Tagging] RFD tag:shop=camera?

2015-06-03 Thread pmailkeey .
On 4 June 2015 at 00:59, John Willis wrote: > > > Its been an uphill battle to get even the most basic (read: required) > Japanese mapping conventions accepted. Traffic light rendering is still a > big stinky pile of garbage. Kanji rendering is still really bad compared to > Roman characters - bo

Re: [Tagging] RFD tag:shop=camera?

2015-06-03 Thread Warin
On 4/06/2015 9:59 AM, John Willis wrote: What about a fixtures store? Toto (the maker of those famous Japanese toilets) has a huge number of chain stores that sell just bathroom and kitchen fixtures. They don't sell anything other than toilets, tubs, and sinks there. Its not a home store, n

Re: [Tagging] RFD tag:shop=camera?

2015-06-03 Thread Andreas Goss
The thing is these services are also often available in supermarkets, copyshops etc. and you don't want to put shop=photo on those. And if a shop has both cameras and prints then you can use shop=photo if the camera selection isn't that big like just some point&shoot cameras or you can use sho

Re: [Tagging] RFD tag:shop=camera?

2015-06-03 Thread Warin
On 4/06/2015 10:04 AM, pmailkeey . wrote: On 3 June 2015 at 03:25, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com > wrote: Hi, I've added the tag shop=camera on a node .. reflecting ONE shop I have mapped. There are others that I can tag (when I get to them).

Re: [Tagging] SHAPE_Leng, SHAPE_Area, GIS_ACRES

2015-06-03 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 06/03/2015 05:59 PM, Mike Thompson wrote: > I am encountering the tags SHAPE_Leng, SHAPE_Area, GIS_ACRES on US > National Forests. If I am making other edits to the OSM element in > question, can these be deleted? Converted to some other tag? These tags are an indication of a broken and u

Re: [Tagging] RFD tag:shop=camera?

2015-06-03 Thread John Willis
Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 4, 2015, at 9:18 AM, pmailkeey . wrote: > > > >> On 4 June 2015 at 00:59, John Willis wrote: >> >> >> Its been an uphill battle to get even the most basic (read: required) >> Japanese mapping conventions accepted. Traffic light rendering is still a >> big st

Re: [Tagging] RFD tag:shop=camera?

2015-06-03 Thread John Willis
Picture of my wood goods / bathing goods shop i just took. The Toto banner can be seen on the left, and an old bathtub out front. Wood hand tools hang on the wall inside on the left. https://m.flickr.com/#/photos/javbw/18254840438/ Javbw > On Jun 4, 2015, at 11:14 AM, John Willis wrote: >