Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

> Am 25.05.2015 um 17:53 schrieb pmailkeey . : > > CONGRATULATIONS ! You win the award for the best puzzle of the year! It > appears to be a loose numbering system for identifying entrances rather than > properties. that's what I told you initially, you said tagging a node would be "wrong"

Re: [Tagging] Airport power and USB stations

> Am 25.05.2015 um 17:18 schrieb Dave Swarthout : > > amenity=charging_station > fee=no > access=public > socket:USB=yes > socket:typeb=yes > motor_vehicle=no > > There are currently only 7 socket:typeb=* in the world including the 6 I just > added and a similar number of socket:USB=* acc

Re: [Tagging] Deprecating wikipedia Tag

On 26 May 2015 at 00:35, moltonel 3x Combo wrote: > On 25/05/2015, Andy Mabbett wrote: >> "On 25 May 2015 at 22:18, moltonel 3x Combo wrote: >> >>> How do you link to a wikidata label in an OSM tag ? One that never >>> suffers from renaming ? As far as I know, we can/should only use >>> wikidata

Re: [Tagging] Deprecating wikipedia Tag

> Am 25.05.2015 um 20:58 schrieb Janko Mihelić : > > Creating a wikidata object out of a wikipedia article is a non issue. You > just get an object with no attributes, only a link to the article. > > Even articles like Wikipedia disambiguation pages have wikidata objects: > http://www.wikida

Re: [Tagging] Deprecating wikipedia Tag

> Am 25.05.2015 um 21:18 schrieb Thorsten Alge : > > Since wikipedia migrated the interwikilinks (the link which are > connecting the article in language a of something to all other articles > in a different language about that same topic) it is where you get links > to articles in all availab

Re: [Tagging] Deprecating wikipedia Tag

Am 26.05.2015 um 11:11 schrieb Andy Mabbett : >> a hotel that includes a restaurant. OSM uses >> two objects from the begining, both linked to the single wikidata >> article that talks about the hotel as a whole. > > OSM should only link the hotel item to the Wikipedia article. why's that,

Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

On 26/05/2015 6:11 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Am 25.05.2015 um 17:53 schrieb pmailkeey . : CONGRATULATIONS ! You win the award for the best puzzle of the year! It appears to be a loose numbering system for identifying entrances rather than properties. that's what I told you initially,

Re: [Tagging] Deprecating wikipedia Tag

On 26 May 2015 at 10:25, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > how can you edit wikidata? https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Introduction -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https:

Re: [Tagging] Deprecating wikipedia Tag

On 26 May 2015 at 10:36, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > Am 26.05.2015 um 11:11 schrieb Andy Mabbett : > >>> a hotel that includes a restaurant. OSM uses >>> two objects from the begining, both linked to the single wikidata >>> article that talks about the hotel as a whole. >> >> OSM should only lin

Re: [Tagging] Deprecating wikipedia Tag

On 26/05/2015, Andy Mabbett wrote: > You don't "link to a Wikidata label", you link to a Wikidata item. QED, you can only use wikidata IDs such as "Q936" in OSM tags, which is much less userfriendly than the wikipedia equivalent. You brought wikidata labels to the discussion; they're nice but the

Re: [Tagging] Deprecating wikipedia Tag

On 26/05/2015, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > My main concern with wikidata for the moment: it's mostly as fuzzy as > Wikipedia is - because the objects are not created by humans but conversions > of articles. Using only wikidata would mean we are sure that wikidata will > be a success. Agreed. I i

Re: [Tagging] Deprecating wikipedia Tag

> Am 26.05.2015 um 12:08 schrieb Andy Mabbett : > > https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Introduction Thank you for this pointer, it's appreciated. Are there definitions for the properties? I have had a look at the examples and landed here: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P106 is

Re: [Tagging] Deprecating wikipedia Tag

I wouldn't deprecate the wikipedia tags either. They give a human readable form of what is hopefully the same item on WD. I only hope that we won't stop at adding only the WP tags. Also I don't think anybody is adding name:etymology:wikipedia tags, but we do have name:etymology:wikidata So a usec

Re: [Tagging] Deprecating wikipedia Tag

uto, 26. svi 2015. 11:20 Martin Koppenhoefer je napisao: yes, basically at the moment wikidata entities have almost the same issues as wp articles have (because they have been created from the articles) with the advantage of the capability of better handling of name changes I remember readin

Re: [Tagging] Wiki: Key:level: proposed rewrite

Level should be the layers relative to the (lowest) ground, regardless of how that's defined in the building, for consistency sake. As often as not here, 1 is either the second floor off the ground or the ground floor, with G being Ground. Granted, this gets a little tricker, with complex example

Re: [Tagging] Deprecating wikipedia Tag

> Am 26.05.2015 um 12:46 schrieb Jo : > > Also I don't think anybody is adding name:etymology:wikipedia tags, but we do > have name:etymology:wikidata there are a few tags like that: http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=%3Awikipedia I agree that wikidata is better for these kind of th

Re: [Tagging] Wiki: Key:level: proposed rewrite

-- Original message --From: ba...@ursamundi.orgSent: 26/05/2015 12:07To: tagging@openstreetmap.orgSubject: Re: [Tagging] Wiki: Key:level: proposed rewriteLevel should be the layers relative to the (lowest) ground, regardless of how that's defined in the building, for consistency sake.  As often a

[Tagging] Future of categories (was: Re: Deprecating wikipedia Tag)

W dniu 26.05.2015 12:46, Jo napisał(a): So a usecase: Say you want to locate all the streets and other objects named after 17th century Dutch painters, worldwide. You could start by finding the painters from wikidata, then use the Overpass API to do a regular expression search with all the res

Re: [Tagging] Wiki: Key:level: proposed rewrite

Did you forget to add any comments? On May 26, 2015 6:58:49 AM wp4...@gmail.com wrote: ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailin

Re: [Tagging] Future of categories (was: Re: Deprecating wikipedia Tag)

On 26 May 2015 at 13:01, Daniel Koć wrote: >> So a usecase: >> >> Say you want to locate all the streets and other objects named after >> 17th century Dutch painters, worldwide. >> >> You could start by finding the painters from wikidata, then use the >> Overpass API to do a regular expression sea

[Tagging] Future of categories

W dniu 26.05.2015 16:54, Andy Mabbett napisał(a): On 26 May 2015 at 13:01, Daniel Koć wrote: Wikidata alone may be problematic, because it's independent project, Why would that be a problem? If you start rely on something, it's good if you have some control of it and if it doesn't move t

Re: [Tagging] Airport power and USB stations

On 05/23/2015 12:47 PM, Dave Swarthout wrote: In the meantime I have tagged those areas with amenity=charging_station until we resolve this question. By going against the documentation, you are breaking the data for consumers that follow the documentation. At the very least Osmand 2.0.4 shows

Re: [Tagging] Future of categories (was: Re: Deprecating wikipedia Tag)

I think we need a separate instalation of wikibase on our wiki. No need to fork wikibase. Then we can organize our tags in categories, subcategories, relations to outside data like wikidata and so on. Not only that, but make that wikibase a sort of an API to our tags. For example, if a data consum

Re: [Tagging] Future of categories

On 26.05.2015 20:06, Janko Mihelić wrote: > I think we need a separate instalation of wikibase on our wiki. A wikibase installation on wiki.osm.org would be really useful, in many different ways. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https

Re: [Tagging] Airport power and USB stations

On 26 May 2015 at 18:32, Andrew Guertin wrote: > On 05/23/2015 12:47 PM, Dave Swarthout wrote: > >> In the meantime I have tagged those areas with >> amenity=charging_station until we resolve this question. >> > > By going against the documentation, you are breaking the data for > consumers that

Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

On 26 May 2015 at 09:11, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > > > > Am 25.05.2015 um 17:53 schrieb pmailkeey . : > > > > CONGRATULATIONS ! You win the award for the best puzzle of the year! It > appears to be a loose numbering system for identifying entrances rather > than properties. > > > that's wh

Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

Mike, you are missing the point... A building and an address are two different things. A building may have 0 to N addresses. An address may or may not refer to a building. The "business rules" to link the two concepts vary by country. An address is not usually a unique identifier of a building -

Re: [Tagging] "Pet Relief Areas"

On 26 May 2015 at 07:33, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 26/05/2015 3:23 PM, Marc Gemis wrote: > > based on http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Animal > > On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 6:59 AM, Bryce Nesbitt > wrote: > >> While the names are confusing, the concepts seem to be: >> >> 1) Hitc

Re: [Tagging] Future of categories (was: Re: Deprecating wikipedia Tag)

On Tue, 2015-05-26 at 18:06 +, Janko Mihelić wrote: > I think we need a separate instalation of wikibase on our wiki. No > need to fork wikibase. Then we can organize our tags in categories, > subcategories, relations to outside data like wikidata and so on. Yep, great concept, could be OSM Ta

Re: [Tagging] "Pet Relief Areas"

And more parking: trolley_parking (near supermarkets) pram_parking Umbrella coat And anything else we might need to park. Wheelchairs, mobility scooter, motorbikes... -- Mike. @millomweb - For all your info on Millom and South Copelan

Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

On 27 May 2015 at 00:06, Colin Smale wrote: > Mike, you are missing the point... A building and an address are two > different things. A building may have 0 to N addresses. An address may or > may not refer to a building. The "business rules" to link the two concepts > vary by country. An addres

Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

On 5/26/15 6:56 PM, pmailkeey . wrote: > > Building addresses shouldn't be on nodes. Named entrances can be - on > ent/exit nodes. > if building addresses shouldn't be on nodes, what are we to make of the address interpolation feature? richard -- rwe...@averillpark.net Averill Park Networking

Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

Your still missing the point. Depending on the country, state, area the address does not necessarily refer to the building. In Australia the address refers to the property ie the plot of ground that is defined by the cadastral plan. So those plots of ground may be 600 sq m or 1,000,000 hec

Re: [Tagging] "Pet Relief Areas"

On Mon, May 25, 2015 at 11:33 PM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 26/05/2015 3:23 PM, Marc Gemis wrote: > > based on http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Animal > > On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 6:59 AM, Bryce Nesbitt > wrote: > >> While the names are confusing, the concepts seem to be: >> >>

Re: [Tagging] "Pet Relief Areas"

I have not followed this discussion so must ask, is this dog relief area a place where dogs and other pets can leave excrement? On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 4:14 PM, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: > On Mon, May 25, 2015 at 11:33 PM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On 26/05/2015 3:23 PM, Marc Gemis w

Re: [Tagging] "Pet Relief Areas"

On 27/05/2015 9:16 AM, pmailkeey . wrote: And more parking: trolley_parking (near supermarkets) pram_parking Umbrella coat And anything else we might need to park. Wheelchairs, mobility scooter, motorbikes... You do not park a horse! Nor a dog. _

Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

If a building is all one address, I see no reason not to tag the building outline. If there are multiple addresses, then nodes are a good way to go. Both schemes are in use. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.o

Re: [Tagging] "Pet Relief Areas"

No, it's about (e.g.) a metal bar outside a shop where a dog chained while the owner is inside. Mike posted some pictures earlier on. On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 2:27 AM, Dave Swarthout wrote: > I have not followed this discussion so must ask, is this dog relief area a > place where dogs and other p

Re: [Tagging] "Pet Relief Areas"

> >> >> > The function is akin to car parking and bicycle parking. Sticking with > that theme, we'd get dog parking and horse parking. A sign labelled 'dog > park' tagged as dog parking has obvious links but the to tag a dog park > sign with 'hitching rail' breaks the similarity - a similarity that

Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

> Am 27.05.2015 um 02:00 schrieb Ross : > > In Australia the address refers to the property ie the plot of ground that is > defined by the cadastral plan. > > So those plots of ground may be 600 sq m or 1,000,000 hectares and may have > zero, one or many buildings. generally it will be m