Re: [Tagging] Hiking route abandoned

2013-10-02 Thread Fernando Trebien
Wouldn't the more generic disused=yes apply to this case? Rendering apps should support lifecycle tags and render them accordingly (though often then don't and none would support this anyway). I'd keep the route relation while the route is still open and somewhat popular among hikers. On Oct 1, 20

Re: [Tagging] Hiking route abandoned

2013-10-02 Thread SomeoneElse
Fernando Trebien wrote: Wouldn't the more generic disused=yes apply to this case? Rendering apps should support lifecycle tags and render them accordingly (though often then don't ... I think that you've answered your own question already :) ... and none would support this anyway). If

Re: [Tagging] cycle hierarchy

2013-10-02 Thread bredy
for me is not a good idea, there is just classification about it. -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/cycle-hierarchy-tp5779417p5779743.html Sent from the Tagging mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Tagging mailing lis

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - via_ferrata

2013-10-02 Thread bredy
The problem is the use of two scale, German and French. Same for path I propose the use of only one scale (german) because it don't have the scale 0. Then only Via Ferrata that required equipment are tagged as Via Ferrata, the other as path with equiped (same as Proposal wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - via_ferrata

2013-10-02 Thread bredy
And I don't know why the writer of this proposal stop the work about 1 years. -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Feature-Proposal-RFC-via-ferrata-tp5776186p5779745.html Sent from the Tagging mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting 2 - (automated_external_defibrillator)

2013-10-02 Thread Pieren
Hi, The first vote showed that "aed" has not been well prepared before its vote. That's why I would to start a new one with more than 2 options. This kind of vote is not usual - normally, the question is more "accept or reject". But I think we can give a try. It's here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (automated_external_defibrillator)

2013-10-02 Thread bredy
Start new vote for select the value of this proposal. Please all that have just vote for the first vote to take a choice. -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Feature-Proposal-Voting-automated-external-defibrillator-tp5779375p5779747.html Sent from the Tagging mailing

Re: [Tagging] Hiking route abandoned

2013-10-02 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2013/10/2 SomeoneElse > If you mean "don't render hiking routes" than that's obviously wrong; if > you mean "don't render _disused_ hiking routes then that's probably a > feature, but any that do render hiking routes that don't also look for > disused=yes (or whatever) will miss it. > +1 disuse

Re: [Tagging] cycle hierarchy

2013-10-02 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2013/9/29 hamster > I inform you that I have created a proposal for a set of tag to map > cycle hierarchy of roads, you can see here : > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Cycle_Hierarchy > One of the first things you point out is that the "highway"-classification was a classification made for

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting 2 - (automated_external_defibrillator)

2013-10-02 Thread Tod Fitch
Looking at the page, and specifically at the images of AED devices in various locations, reminded me: In the US the instructions given to the lay person by the AED are in spoken English. I assume those in other countries will give verbal instructions in the local language. Should there be a lang

Re: [Tagging] Which map supports complete bridge rendering

2013-10-02 Thread ael
On Tue, Oct 01, 2013 at 05:02:04PM +0100, SomeoneElse wrote: > (as has already been mentioned) if you're already using Lambertus' > maps than I'd be tempted to start creating your own using mkgmap > . It would allow you to > change what gets displayed a

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting 2 - (automated_external_defibrillator)

2013-10-02 Thread Pieren
On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 3:54 PM, Tod Fitch wrote: > I assume those in other countries will give verbal instructions in the local > language. Should there be a language tag associated with the AED? Well... I guess it is usually translated into the local language. No need for a special subtag in ge

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting 2 - (automated_external_defibrillator)

2013-10-02 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2013/10/2 Pieren > Hi, > > The first vote showed that "aed" has not been well prepared before its > vote. That's why I would to start a new one with more than 2 options. > This kind of vote is not usual - normally, the question is more > "accept or reject". But I think we can give a try. It's her

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting 2 - (automated_external_defibrillator)

2013-10-02 Thread Pieren
On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 4:05 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > Thanks for refining this votation Pieren. Actually I think that "AED" > (capital letters) should not even be proposed as we don't use capitalization > in formal keys/values if not for country codes (to differentiate between > countries

[Tagging] Tag for e-cigarette shop

2013-10-02 Thread StephaneP
Hello, After many searches, I didn't find any tag for the e-cigarette shops. I already added some with shop=e-cigarette, but perhaps it's not the best choice as we can use e-cig e-vap vaping ... What do you think about this ? -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Ta

Re: [Tagging] Which map supports complete bridge rendering

2013-10-02 Thread Dave Swarthout
Yes, I agree, ael. I did manage to get an updated map of Thailand compiled into a gmapsupp.img file and it did contain the changes I had made a few days ago. It was cool. But it took 4 hours of command line fiddling, changing environment variables, etc., stuff I used to do back in the old days of M

Re: [Tagging] Tag for e-cigarette shop

2013-10-02 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2013/10/2 StephaneP > After many searches, I didn't find any tag for the e-cigarette shops. > I already added some with shop=e-cigarette, but perhaps it's not the best > choice as we can use > seems reasonable, alternatively I could think of "shop=electronic_cigarette" but e-cigarette seems suf

Re: [Tagging] Tag for e-cigarette shop

2013-10-02 Thread Stéphane Péneau
I know that many e-cig users are trying to remove the word "cigarette". They don't "e-smoke" but they are "vaping". So perhaps there is something better than "e-cigarette". As english isn't my native tongue I asking here. Stf Le mercredi 2 octobre 2013 16:54:24, Martin Koppenhoefer a écrit :

Re: [Tagging] cycle hierarchy

2013-10-02 Thread Andre Engels
On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 3:40 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > One of the first things you point out is that the "highway"-classification > was a classification made for motorized vehicles, but this is not > completely true, instead, it is the classification of the road network (and > admittedly as

Re: [Tagging] Tag for e-cigarette shop

2013-10-02 Thread John F. Eldredge
On 10/02/2013 09:45 AM, StephaneP wrote: Hello, After many searches, I didn't find any tag for the e-cigarette shops. I already added some with shop=e-cigarette, but perhaps it's not the best choice as we can use e-cig e-vap vaping What do you think about this ? -- View this message in

Re: [Tagging] Tag for e-cigarette shop

2013-10-02 Thread Stéphane Péneau
I want to use this tag for the shops which only sell e-cigarette, e-liquid and parts. There are many shops of these type in france. Stf Le mercredi 2 octobre 2013 17:31:49, John F. Eldredge a écrit : On 10/02/2013 09:45 AM, StephaneP wrote: Hello, After many searches, I didn't find any tag f

Re: [Tagging] Tag for e-cigarette shop

2013-10-02 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2013/10/2 John F. Eldredge > Do these shops sell only e-cigarettes, or do they sell other tobacco > products as well? Are they a form of convenience store, which (at least in > the USA) typically sells beer, tobacco products including e-cigarettes, > candy, and a small amount of general merchand

Re: [Tagging] Hiking route abandoned

2013-10-02 Thread Fernando Trebien
I'm sorry but maybe some misspellings changed the message. So let me clarify. Renderers often don't support life cycle tags, but that doesn't matter because we don't tag for the renderer/applications, right? If you just add a disused tag, the route likely will still be rendered in current map styl

Re: [Tagging] Hiking route abandoned

2013-10-02 Thread Colin Smale
Of course we tag for the renderer (a.k.a. data consumer), that's the only reason OSM exists. What we DON'T do, is deliberately tag *incorrectly* to persuade the renderer to produce a desired result. Renderers need to be able to make certain distinctions - if not based on an explicit tag, then by

Re: [Tagging] Hiking route abandoned

2013-10-02 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2013/10/2 Fernando Trebien > Renderers often don't support life cycle tags, but that doesn't matter > because we don't tag for the renderer/applications, right? This is nothing particular about renderers or routers, it is generally a flawed approach to add tags like the so-called "life cycle"

Re: [Tagging] Hiking route abandoned

2013-10-02 Thread John F. Eldredge
Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2013/10/2 Fernando Trebien > > > Renderers often don't support life cycle tags, but that doesn't > matter > > because we don't tag for the renderer/applications, right? > > > > This is nothing particular about renderers or routers, it is generally > a > flawed app

Re: [Tagging] Hiking route abandoned

2013-10-02 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2013/10/2 John F. Eldredge > I think it makes sense to tag a no-longer-maintained hiking trail in a > manner that will still be rendered, but will be rendered in a manner that > distinguishes it from an actively-maintained trail. what is rendered or not in a given map is the decision of the st

Re: [Tagging] Hiking route abandoned

2013-10-02 Thread John F. Eldredge
Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2013/10/2 John F. Eldredge > > > I think it makes sense to tag a no-longer-maintained hiking trail in > a > > manner that will still be rendered, but will be rendered in a manner > that > > distinguishes it from an actively-maintained trail. > > > > what is render

Re: [Tagging] Hiking route abandoned

2013-10-02 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
In the case of a trail the landowner is actively trying to erase, I'll often draw the trail into osm, tag it discouragingly, and put barrier nodes at each end. Across a wide variety of map rendering, this has a chance of communicating the intent of non-use. The downside of omitting, removing, or

Re: [Tagging] Hiking route abandoned

2013-10-02 Thread Konfrare Albert
There is a proposed feature with this purpose: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Obstacle Regards! 2013/10/3, Bryce Nesbitt : > In the case of a trail the landowner is actively trying to erase, I'll > often draw the trail into osm, tag it discouragingly, and put barrier nodes >