Re: [Tagging] exit_to on motorway_junction

2012-11-20 Thread Martin Vonwald
I created a short wiki article about exit_to: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:exit_to I did NOT add examples or a detailed tagging instruction for obvious reasons. I added a link to this discussion and also put an excerpt of it on the talk page. I did not take all comments completely but i

[Tagging] Zones 30 in Belgium (from [OSM-talk-be] )

2012-11-20 Thread A.Pirard.Papou
Hi, A GPS addicts group has encoded a file of over 1000 30 km/h speed limits. Their leader has just discovered OSM, ITO Map, etc... He's promoting security much and would like his data into OSM. I wrote on talk-be that this was doing it the other way round. A speed limit has two ends and his POIs

Re: [Tagging] Money transfer agents

2012-11-20 Thread Pieren
On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 11:55 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > I think it is pointless to have operator:money_transfer rather than a > simple "operator". The tag should refer to the object that is tagged, > and if it is a money transfer it will refer to that, also when you > don't prefix it. I di

Re: [Tagging] Zones 30 in Belgium (from [OSM-talk-be] )

2012-11-20 Thread Stefano Fraccaro
It's not possible to apply the same JOSM preset to all nodes at one time? If the case, maybe I can write a short program to do that (in C# language). Stefano Il 20/11/2012 10:40, A.Pirard.Papou ha scritto: I have converted their file to a .osm file. I can transfer the nodes to another layer an

Re: [Tagging] Zones 30 in Belgium (from [OSM-talk-be] )

2012-11-20 Thread Jo
What you really want to do is apply the speed limits to the OSM ways: maxspeed=30 source:maxspeed=zone30. But the source file has nodes. Is there a way to feed all these nodes into Openstreetbugs automatically and then ask the Belgian population to fix those 'bugs'/'improvement requests' in thei

Re: [Tagging] Zones 30 in Belgium (from [OSM-talk-be] )

2012-11-20 Thread Ab_fab
http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr is also a nice tool for this type of manual integration 2012/11/20 Jo > What you really want to do is apply the speed limits to the OSM ways: > > maxspeed=30 > source:maxspeed=zone30. > > But the source file has nodes. > > Is there a way to feed all these nodes int

Re: [Tagging] Money transfer agents

2012-11-20 Thread Jaakko Helleranta.com
Pieren, ... And those are all important things to find. -Jaakko On Nov 20, 2012 4:47 AM, "Pieren" wrote: > On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 11:55 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > > I think it is pointless to have operator:money_transfer rather than a > > simple "operator". The tag should refer to the

Re: [Tagging] exit_to on motorway_junction

2012-11-20 Thread William Rieck
maybe the reference to a template was to this wiki page http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dmotorway_junction where it seems to emphasize the 'exit_to' key over 'destination' On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 3:36 AM, Martin Vonwald wrote: > I created a short wiki article about exit_to: > htt

Re: [Tagging] Money transfer agents

2012-11-20 Thread Janko Mihelić
2012/11/19 Sébastien Pierrel > > > I guess a bank could operate multiple money transfer solutions. > So, service:money:transfer:**operator:western_union=yes ? > > starting to get awkward... > What if we put "service:money:transfer=Western_Union"? And whenever you have that key (service:money:tran

Re: [Tagging] Money transfer agents

2012-11-20 Thread Sébastien Pierrel
On 20 November 2012 18:05, Janko Mihelić wrote: > 2012/11/19 Sébastien Pierrel >> >> >> I guess a bank could operate multiple money transfer solutions. >> So, service:money:transfer:**operator:western_union=yes ? >> >> starting to get awkward... >> > > What if we put "service:money:transfer=West

Re: [Tagging] Money transfer agents

2012-11-20 Thread Janko Mihelić
2012/11/20 Sébastien Pierrel > > What if the establishment can transfer money via Western union and > Moneygram? > service:money:transfer=Western_Union;Moneygram ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo

Re: [Tagging] Money transfer agents

2012-11-20 Thread Sébastien Pierrel
On 20 November 2012 18:50, Janko Mihelić wrote: > > > 2012/11/20 Sébastien Pierrel > >> >> What if the establishment can transfer money via Western union and >> Moneygram? >> > > service:money:transfer=Western_Union;Moneygram > > I don't like this kind of combo (reason for starting this thread).

Re: [Tagging] Differences between crop and produce?

2012-11-20 Thread Richard Smith
On 19/11/2012 23:19, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2012/11/19 Richard Smith: Although the tag crop has a page if you look at it's proposal page ( http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Crop ) it seems clear the idea was abandoned due to lack of support. So it seems strange that the

Re: [Tagging] exit_to on motorway_junction

2012-11-20 Thread Johan C
JOSM supports exit_to. JOSM doesn't support destination. Following the text by Martin I updated http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dmotorway_junction#Destinations. I indeed think it's a good idear to be clear in the communication of any (to be) deprecated tag. Most exit_to's seem to

[Tagging] Stop sign?

2012-11-20 Thread hbogner
How should http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:STOP_sign.jpg stop signs be marked? As highway=stop or traffic_sign=stop Or is there another way? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

[Tagging] access=emergency revisited

2012-11-20 Thread Richard Welty
we talked about this a year or so back, and had near consensus if not a real consensus. it never got documented in the wiki, and i thought i'd bring it up here rather than just charging off and editing the wiki. i think we need a separate emergency access category because there exist places wh

Re: [Tagging] exit_to on motorway_junction

2012-11-20 Thread Mike N
On 11/20/2012 3:43 PM, Johan C wrote: 1. does the tag exit_to=* on a motorway_junction in your opinion have the same meaning as the tag name=* on that motorway_junction? No -They are different. 2. if your answer to the first question is no, than what is the difference? Some motorways in t

Re: [Tagging] Stop sign?

2012-11-20 Thread Jo
I'm mapping them as highway=stop as a node of the way, just before where it crosses the main road. I would map a traffic_sign=stop as a node next to the road. But that just makes it harder to work with the data, so I prefer the first approach. What I never do anymore is to tag the node of the cros

Re: [Tagging] Stop sign?

2012-11-20 Thread LM_1
Is there any distinction for direction of the sign? LM_1 2012/11/20 Jo : > I'm mapping them as highway=stop as a node of the way, just before where it > crosses the main road. I would map a traffic_sign=stop as a node next to the > road. But that just makes it harder to work with the data, so I pr

[Tagging] Fwd: exit_to on motorway_junction

2012-11-20 Thread Johan C
Forwarded message by NE2 -- Forwarded message -- From: Nathan Edgars II Date: 2012/11/20 Subject: Re: [Tagging] exit_to on motorway_junction To: Cc: Johan C On 11/20/2012 3:43 PM, Johan C wrote: > JOSM supports exit_to. JOSM doesn't support destination. > > Following the text

Re: [Tagging] Fwd: exit_to on motorway_junction

2012-11-20 Thread Richard Welty
there are quite a few named interchanges in South Carolina, as i recall. frequently named after State Troopers who were killed in the line of duty. the name is not at all the same as the value of exit_to richard ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@open

Re: [Tagging] Proposal: expanded address tags for US

2012-11-20 Thread Martin Koppenhöfer
Am 20/nov/2012 um 08:05 schrieb "David ``Smith''" : > That varies by city. In Cleveland, this is true. But in Columbus, 200 North > Third Street and 200 South Third Street are two distinct addresses on the > very same Third Street. > > Still, I think the Karlsruhe Schema is sufficient. I'm

Re: [Tagging] exit_to on motorway_junction

2012-11-20 Thread Paul Williams
I don't see any reason to deprecate exit_to, it seems to be the simplest method of mapping a destination sign on a motorway junction or similar exit. I use exit_to fairly frequently and it has been a documented tag for a while (although on the motorway junction page rather than it's own page) a

Re: [Tagging] Zones 30 in Belgium (from [OSM-talk-be] )

2012-11-20 Thread Martin Koppenhöfer
Am 20/nov/2012 um 10:40 schrieb "A.Pirard.Papou" : > Well, do you think it would be useful to add those POIs and how? If they are sign positions I think they are useful. You can tag them with traffic_sign=maxspeed and maxspeed=30 on the sign position (to infer the direction). There is a JOSM

Re: [Tagging] exit_to on motorway_junction

2012-11-20 Thread Johan C
Well Paul, the fundamental question is: where do you store the information needed for any router, in a node, in a way or in both? In my opinion destination on a way can work very well, please take a look at this example: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:It's_so_funny Cheers, Johan ps no d

Re: [Tagging] exit_to on motorway_junction

2012-11-20 Thread Paul Williams
Hi Johan, I don't know about storing information for a router, I'm just speaking from the perspective of myself as a mapper and saying that to me exit_to on a junction node seems a simple and established way of recording exit destination signs, so I don't see why I and other mappers using exit_

Re: [Tagging] exit_to on motorway_junction

2012-11-20 Thread Tobias Knerr
On 20.11.2012 23:42, Paul Williams wrote: > I don't see any reason to deprecate exit_to, it seems to be the simplest > method of mapping a destination sign on a motorway junction or similar > exit. Isn't adding a destination tag to the outgoing highway fork just as simple? When you have two tags

Re: [Tagging] Stop sign?

2012-11-20 Thread David ``Smith''
On Nov 20, 2012 4:41 PM, "LM_1" wrote: > > Is there any distinction for direction of the sign? > LM_1 It's understood that the sign faces traffic approaching an intersection. If a node with highway=stop is on a way but nowhere near an intersection, or roughly halfway between two intersections, it

Re: [Tagging] Proposal: expanded address tags for US

2012-11-20 Thread David ``Smith''
On Nov 20, 2012 5:42 PM, "Martin Koppenhöfer" wrote: > > > > Am 20/nov/2012 um 08:05 schrieb "David ``Smith''" : > >> That varies by city. In Cleveland, this is true. But in Columbus, 200 North Third Street and 200 South Third Street are two distinct addresses on the very same Third Street. >> >

Re: [Tagging] Proposal: expanded address tags for US

2012-11-20 Thread Steven Johnson
Thanks for all the constructive, if skeptical responses. I can't respond to each of them individually, but I'll try to respond to the most pointed comments here. Bill R Washburn (dygituljunky) asked: >> "Would you be opposed to just splitting off the directional prefixes and suffixes, thereby leav

Re: [Tagging] Proposal: expanded address tags for US

2012-11-20 Thread Paul Johnson
On Tuesday, November 20, 2012, David ``Smith'' wrote: > Also, the street name in addresses doesn't always match the name of the > street. For example, there are houses on Old Walker Road which retain > Walker Rd addresses. And the name Lilly Chapel Opossum Run Road is so > long, the local post o

Re: [Tagging] Stop sign?

2012-11-20 Thread Paul Johnson
Can we start using relations for this already? Really seems like that provides the specifics we want for this. On Tuesday, November 20, 2012, Jo wrote: > I'm mapping them as highway=stop as a node of the way, just before where > it crosses the main road. I would map a traffic_sign=stop as a node

Re: [Tagging] exit_to on motorway_junction

2012-11-20 Thread Colin Smale
Using only exit_to there is no way to handle junction topologies other than a straightforward highway exit, where there is one "big" through road and one "small" road leaving. What about wrong-side exits? Or where the highway splits into two (or more) roads of equal importance? Destination tagging