Re: [Tagging] Clarify tag access doc

2012-09-13 Thread Janko Mihelić
I think all those designated/official/yes are the same thing. They allow something to go through a certain way. What is different is the source of that allowance. If the source is law (access=yes, access:source=de:law) then it's official. If you have a "access:source=sign", then it's designated. If

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (amenity=kennel)

2012-09-13 Thread teuxe
Hi Alberto, Thank you for your proposal. Couldn't we have some more general tagging for this purpose? Such facilities can generally keep other kinds of animals (like "SPA", "Société Protectrice des Animaux" in France) so why having a specific tag for dogs? We could add "dogs=yes" next to a more

Re: [Tagging] Clarify tag access doc

2012-09-13 Thread Martin Vonwald
2012/9/13 Janko Mihelić : > I think all those designated/official/yes are the same thing. They allow > something to go through a certain way. What is different is the source of > that allowance. If the source is law (access=yes, access:source=de:law) then > it's official. If you have a "access:sour

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (amenity=kennel)

2012-09-13 Thread Martin Vonwald
2012/9/13 : > Thank you for your proposal. > Couldn't we have some more general tagging for this purpose? Such facilities > can generally keep other kinds of animals (like "SPA", "Société Protectrice > des Animaux" in France) so why having a specific tag for dogs? Actually I just revived an old

Re: [Tagging] Clarify tag access doc

2012-09-13 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2012/9/13 Janko Mihelić : > I think all those designated/official/yes are the same thing. They allow > something to go through a certain way. What is different is the source of > that allowance. If the source is law (access=yes, access:source=de:law) then > it's official. If you have a "access:sour

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (amenity=kennel)

2012-09-13 Thread Andrew Errington
On Thu, 13 Sep 2012 18:00:19 Martin Vonwald wrote: > 2012/9/13 : > > Thank you for your proposal. > > Couldn't we have some more general tagging for this purpose? Such > > facilities can generally keep other kinds of animals (like "SPA", > > "Société Protectrice des Animaux" in France) so why havi

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (amenity=kennel)

2012-09-13 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2012/9/13 Andrew Errington : > I'm not sure if a common tag would be ideal. > > Off the top of my head we have 'stables', 'kennels' and 'cattery'. Each name > is very specific. Also, they are not limited to welfare (lost, abandoned or > abused animals), there are commercial businesses which look

[Tagging] amenity=kennel

2012-09-13 Thread Alberto
I don't think stable is a good tagging for all animal shelters, as you and other people say, stable is for horses. In addition the proposal was to add a tag stable to a building or a part of it. But a kennel for example is a wider area that includes buildings, courtyards and meadows. We can add a

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - key:branch

2012-09-13 Thread Andrew Errington
Hello everyone, This is my first proposal for a key that I feel is missing. I have searched, but I couldn't find anything to suggest it has been rejected before, but I could be wrong. You will find the details here, but is basically a place to put the branch name for an office/bank/restaurant

Re: [Tagging] amenity=kennel

2012-09-13 Thread John Sturdy
Martin wrote: > Actually I just revived an old proposal for stables [1]. My first thought > was to simply use stables= until someone with much better english > language skills pointed out that stables usually only refer to horses. I > would also like to see one common tag for "some place where anim

Re: [Tagging] Map for surface/smoothness?

2012-09-13 Thread sylvain letuffe
Martin Vonwald (Imagic) wrote > > Am 11.09.2012 um 16:10 schrieb Georg Feddern : > >> http://roads.osm4people.org/?zoom=7&lat=49.60305&lon=10.72137&layers=B0TFF > > Thanks! This covers surface, but smoothness isn't supported as far as I > can see. > http://maps.refuges.info does

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (amenity=kennel)

2012-09-13 Thread Craig Wallace
On 13/09/2012 10:13, Andrew Errington wrote: Off the top of my head we have 'stables', 'kennels' and 'cattery'. Each name is very specific. Also, they are not limited to welfare (lost, abandoned or abused animals), there are commercial businesses which look after animals while their owners go o

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (amenity=kennel)

2012-09-13 Thread André Pirard
In French, we'd use the word *garderie*, garder=keep, like for keeping children for a while after school. *Pet keeping* seems to only mean owning one at home. The word *crèche* is used for daytime keeping, that is, preliminary school. I see that /*pet crèche*/ is often used in English (most often

[Tagging] Open stable / feeding station

2012-09-13 Thread Martin Vonwald
Hi! How would you tag an open stable? landuse=open_stable? And how the feeding stations within the open stable? amenity=feeding_station? Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Open stable / feeding station

2012-09-13 Thread SomeoneElse
Martin Vonwald wrote: How would you tag an open stable? landuse=open_stable? And how the feeding stations within the open stable? amenity=feeding_station? You might want to link to a picture of an example - as an English speaker I'm not sure exactly what an "open_stable" would be. Cheers, An

Re: [Tagging] Open stable / feeding station

2012-09-13 Thread Martin Vonwald
2012/9/13 SomeoneElse : > Martin Vonwald wrote: >> >> How would you tag an open stable? landuse=open_stable? >> And how the feeding stations within the open stable? >> amenity=feeding_station? > > > You might want to link to a picture of an example - as an English speaker > I'm not sure exactly wha

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - key:branch

2012-09-13 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2012/9/13 Andrew Errington : > You will find the details here, but is basically a place to put the branch > name for an office/bank/restaurant/store etc.: > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:branch this seems to be already in wider use (more than 3000 times): http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] amenity=kennel

2012-09-13 Thread Sax-Barnett, Melelani
Native speaker here too. How about amenity=animal_boarding instead of kennel? "Boarding" typically refers to places you can pay to leave your dogs, cats, horses, etc. for a period and have them be cared for. One could also add additional tags like dogs=yes, cats=yes, etc., since these facilities

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - key:branch

2012-09-13 Thread David ``Smith''
On Sep 13, 2012 6:54 AM, "Andrew Errington" wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > This is my first proposal for a key that I feel is missing. I have searched, > but I couldn't find anything to suggest it has been rejected before, but I > could be wrong. > > You will find the details here, but is basical

Re: [Tagging] Open stable / feeding station

2012-09-13 Thread Dudley Ibbett
Hi In the UK we have field shelters for horses. It can be very difficult to get planning permission for a fixed building in a field so people have these shelters that are movable. This gets round the planning restriction. Some people do move them around to protect their fields so they would

Re: [Tagging] Open stable / feeding station

2012-09-13 Thread Martin Vonwald
2012/9/13 Dudley Ibbett : > Hi > > In the UK we have field shelters for horses. It can be very difficult to > get planning permission for a fixed building in a field so people have these > shelters that are movable. This gets round the planning restriction. Some > people do move them around to p

Re: [Tagging] Open stable / feeding station

2012-09-13 Thread Dudley Ibbett
Hi I decided to get the wife to look at these. She's the horse "expert". [1], [2], & [3] she would call a paddock. The shelters in [1] and [2] she would call "field shelters". The small area in [4] would be a "turn out". Not sure this helps! Dudley > Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 20:11:39 +02

Re: [Tagging] Open stable / feeding station

2012-09-13 Thread John F. Eldredge
SomeoneElse wrote: > Martin Vonwald wrote: > > How would you tag an open stable? landuse=open_stable? > > And how the feeding stations within the open stable? > amenity=feeding_station? > > You might want to link to a picture of an example - as an English > speaker I'm not sure exactly what an

Re: [Tagging] Open stable / feeding station

2012-09-13 Thread Martin Vonwald
Am 13.09.2012 um 20:30 schrieb Dudley Ibbett : > [1], [2], & [3] she would call a paddock. The shelters in [1] and [2] she > would call "field shelters". > > The small area in [4] would be a "turn out". > > Not sure this helps! What I'm looking for is a name/tag for the complete area, not the

Re: [Tagging] Open stable / feeding station

2012-09-13 Thread Martin Vonwald
Am 13.09.2012 um 21:30 schrieb "John F. Eldredge" : > At a guess, "open stable" probably refers to a shelter that has permanently > open doorways No, but a stable/shelter is part of an open stable. An open stable is characterised by * a large open-air area * one or more shelters, accessible all

Re: [Tagging] Tagging Digest, Vol 36, Issue 20, 9

2012-09-13 Thread St Niklaas
> From: tagging-requ...@openstreetmap.org > Subject: Tagging Digest, Vol 36, Issue 20 > To: tagging@openstreetmap.org > Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 10:13:53 +0100 > > Send Tagging mailing list submissions to > tagging@openstreetmap.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, vis

Re: [Tagging] Open stable / feeding station

2012-09-13 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2012/9/13 Martin Vonwald : > Am 13.09.2012 um 21:30 schrieb "John F. Eldredge" : > Obviously there is no tag for it ;-) So I'll try to find some english > speaking horse experts which may confirm or deny if this kind of area is in > fact called open stable in english. the most important google

Re: [Tagging] Open stable / feeding station

2012-09-13 Thread Martin Vonwald
Am 13.09.2012 um 22:25 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer : > 2012/9/13 Martin Vonwald : >> Am 13.09.2012 um 21:30 schrieb "John F. Eldredge" : >> Obviously there is no tag for it ;-) So I'll try to find some english >> speaking horse experts which may confirm or deny if this kind of area is in >> fact

Re: [Tagging] amenity=kennel

2012-09-13 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2012/9/13 Sax-Barnett, Melelani : add additional tags like dogs=yes, cats=yes, etc., since these facilities sometimes do take more than one kind of animal. +1, we should do this, and it is already done ;-), you will find this documented in the wiki and there is also data: http://taginfo.openstree

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (amenity=kennel)

2012-09-13 Thread Steve Doerr
On 13/09/2012 21:00, St Niklaas wrote: What about Asylum, for all animals and a tag for the spieces, cats, dags, horses or guinea pigs ? That word has different connotations in English: either a lunatic asylum (outdated term for a hospital or home for the mentally ill) or political asylum (m

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (amenity=kennel)

2012-09-13 Thread André Pirard
On 2012-09-13 23:38,  Steve Doerr wrote : On 13/09/2012 21:00, St Niklaas wrote: What about Asylum, for all animals and a tag for the spieces, cats, dags, horses or guinea pigs ? That word has different connotations in E

[Tagging] amenity=kennel

2012-09-13 Thread Alberto
Ok, because according to English native speakers there isn't a single word that indicates "a facility where animals are kept and the staff feeds them and cares of them", I propose to change from "amenity=kennel" to "amenity=animal_shelter". In Italy there are centers for dogs only, cats only, dogs