Re: [Tagging] Successful proposal

2010-10-13 Thread Matthias Meißer
We talked about improving/changing the proposal process a few weeks ago to bypass problems like *people dislike voting chause of it's very limited nature *it should be a more 'show your design and improve it together with others' (as already said by others). *make it media indipendend so mailing

Re: [Tagging] Successful proposal

2010-10-13 Thread Peter Körner
Am 13.10.2010 09:31, schrieb Matthias Meißer: For this proposal IMHO the users who removed the proposal should be notified and the author should be allowed to add his new feature to the map features page. He fullfilled all requirements with his proposal I contacted him and we're still in a very

Re: [Tagging] Successful proposal

2010-10-13 Thread Lennard
On 13-10-2010 9:43, Peter Körner wrote: I contacted him and we're still in a very interesting discussion. His opinion is, that the map-features should list the *most common used* features and it's clear that with 500 uses, craft does not fall into this category. So I can accept this tag not bein

Re: [Tagging] Successful proposal

2010-10-13 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Wed, 13 Oct 2010 09:43:36 +0200 Peter Körner wrote: > Am 13.10.2010 09:31, schrieb Matthias Meißer: > > For this proposal IMHO the users who removed the proposal should be > > notified and the author should be allowed to add his new feature to > > the map features page. He fullfilled all requi

Re: [Tagging] Successful proposal

2010-10-13 Thread Ulf Lamping
Am 13.10.2010 10:30, schrieb Lennard: On 13-10-2010 9:43, Peter Körner wrote: I contacted him and we're still in a very interesting discussion. His opinion is, that the map-features should list the *most common used* features and it's clear that with 500 uses, craft does not fall into this cate

Re: [Tagging] Successful proposal

2010-10-13 Thread Peter Körner
Am 13.10.2010 10:55, schrieb Ulf Lamping: The same way as other features that are in common use and (even still) not listed on Map Features (like the ski piste stuff). eg. by searching the wili for Craft (or German: Handwerk). It can be found this way. If people actually like the concept, the

Re: [Tagging] Successful proposal

2010-10-13 Thread Richard Fairhurst
lennard wrote: > And how exactly would the craft tag become widely used if people have > to out on a limb to find it, exactly because it's not mentioned in the > Map Features? This will only hamper adoption. Ah, but the purpose of Map Features is not "let's make my favourite tags widely used! t

Re: [Tagging] Successful proposal

2010-10-13 Thread SomeoneElse
On 13/10/2010 09:30, Lennard wrote: And how exactly would the craft tag become widely used if people have to out on a limb to find it, exactly because it's not mentioned in the Map Features? This will only hamper adoption. Because they do a search of the wiki (and the mailing lists, and osm

Re: [Tagging] Successful proposal

2010-10-13 Thread Richard Mann
The search box is also a lot faster than opening MapFeatures. Indeed there'd be a case for abolishing MapFeatures (and just making MapFeatures a category). Richard On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 11:59 AM, SomeoneElse wrote: >  On 13/10/2010 09:30, Lennard wrote: >> >> And how exactly would the craft ta

Re: [Tagging] Successful proposal

2010-10-13 Thread NopMap
The voting process may not be representative, but I believe it is the best approach for defining a new tag that OSM currently has. - at least there is some discussion and some documentation - interested people have one place to look for new tags and join the discussion I think that just going for

Re: [Tagging] Successful proposal

2010-10-13 Thread Richard Fairhurst
NopMap wrote: > Considering the reversal of the crafts entry, I consider the changes > of Jonobennett very questionable as with his next edit on > MapFeatures he completely removed several established main tags, > e.g. barrier which is used over 10 times in Germany alone. I believe that wa

Re: [Tagging] Successful proposal

2010-10-13 Thread Peter Körner
Am 13.10.2010 13:54, schrieb NopMap: Considering the reversal of the crafts entry He did not reverse anything, the craft tag and all documentation is still there, its just not listed as a common used tag (because it's not common used right now). Peter

Re: [Tagging] Successful proposal

2010-10-13 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
what about removing "highway=byway" from the mapfeatures? It is used less then 2000 times (which is very little for highway), and it is UK-only, so IMHO no reason at all to be listed on the main features page, could be moved to mapfeatures UK. cheers, Martin __

Re: [Tagging] How do I amend the wiki Was[add leisure=swimming_pool to the core-features]

2010-10-13 Thread Brad Neuhauser
n Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 6:43 PM, Dave F. wrote: > On 12/10/2010 23:02, Brad Neuhauser wrote: > >> If you go to edit a OSM wiki page, just to the right of Save Page | Show >> Preview | Show Changes is a link for "Editing Help", which does go to a page >> with links which will help in editing, incl

Re: [Tagging] Successful proposal

2010-10-13 Thread Peter Körner
Am 13.10.2010 16:04, schrieb M∡rtin Koppenhoefer: what about removing "highway=byway" from the mapfeatures? It is used less then 2000 times (which is very little for highway), and it is UK-only, so IMHO no reason at all to be listed on the main features page, could be moved to mapfeatures UK. Y

Re: [Tagging] Successful proposal

2010-10-13 Thread Sean Horgan
As a new tagger, I look to Map Features to see what tags were supported by the community, not to see the most common tags. When I want to know the most commonly used tags, I use some automated tool like taginfo or tagstat. We are wrestling with a presentation issue and clearly a single wiki page

Re: [Tagging] Successful proposal

2010-10-13 Thread Craig Wallace
On 13/10/2010 15:04, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: what about removing "highway=byway" from the mapfeatures? It is used less then 2000 times (which is very little for highway), and it is UK-only, so IMHO no reason at all to be listed on the main features page, could be moved to mapfeatures UK. Yes

[Tagging] Non proposed features

2010-10-13 Thread Matthias Meißer
Inspired by the discussion on the "Successful proposal" proposal discussion I restarted the discussion about improving the map features management on the german forums: http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=9604 Everybody feel free to join the discussion :) Matthias

Re: [Tagging] Non proposed features

2010-10-13 Thread Matthias Meißer
Of course Pieren, but I just wanted to point out, that there is still a discussion. I'm aware of the fact that german users are only a subset of all mappers worldwide, but it might be a good way to talk it on a localized level and then compare the results with others. Matthias ___

Re: [Tagging] Non proposed features

2010-10-13 Thread Pieren
2010/10/13 Matthias Meißer > Inspired by the discussion on the "Successful proposal" proposal discussion > I restarted the discussion about improving the map features management on > the german forums: > http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=9604 > > Everybody feel free to join the disc

Re: [Tagging] Successful proposal

2010-10-13 Thread Noel David Torres Taño
On Miércoles 13 Octubre 2010 11:59:22 SomeoneElse escribió: > On 13/10/2010 09:30, Lennard wrote: > > And how exactly would the craft tag become widely used if people have > > to out on a limb to find it, exactly because it's not mentioned in the > > Map Features? This will only hamper adoption.

Re: [Tagging] Successful proposal

2010-10-13 Thread Richard Welty
On 10/13/10 2:38 PM, Noel David Torres Taño wrote: Maybe we need two separate pages, one with ALL approved features (which may be called, by the (high)way, Approved Map Features) which requires an agreed upon definition of what constitutes an Approved Map Feature. good luck with that. not tha

Re: [Tagging] Successful proposal

2010-10-13 Thread Noel David Torres Taño
On Miércoles 13 Octubre 2010 20:22:49 Richard Welty escribió: > On 10/13/10 2:38 PM, Noel David Torres Taño wrote: > > Maybe we need two separate pages, one with ALL approved features (which > > may be called, by the (high)way, Approved Map Features) > > which requires an agreed upon definition of

Re: [Tagging] Successful proposal

2010-10-13 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Craig Wallace wrote: > Yes, I agree with that, byway is really England and Wales > specific. And I think its generally deprecated there anyway Yes, it is, especially since the Countryside & Rights Of Way Act (CROW) which significantly reclassified UK 'byways'. It is better to use a universally u

Re: [Tagging] Successful proposal

2010-10-13 Thread Richard Welty
On 10/13/10 4:24 PM, Noel David Torres Taño wrote: On Miércoles 13 Octubre 2010 20:22:49 Richard Welty escribió: On 10/13/10 2:38 PM, Noel David Torres Taño wrote: Maybe we need two separate pages, one with ALL approved features (which may be called, by the (high)way, Approved Map Features) wh

[Tagging] Garmin Map Features

2010-10-13 Thread Sam Vekemans
Hi all, I'm happy to announce the creation of the Garmin Map features part of the of SchemaTroll 2.01 project http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/SchemaTroll_2.01#Garmin_Map_Features I used the 2nd latest version of the mkgmap features, and compared it with the Master Garmin map features list. and

[Tagging] Country names

2010-10-13 Thread Peter Budny
Looking at very high zoom levels on Mapnik, I noticed that the East Asian countries (Japan, China, etc) have their names written in native script with the English name in parentheses, but a lot of other countries (e.g. all the ones with Arabic characters) don't seem to follow this. Why the inconsi

Re: [Tagging] Country names

2010-10-13 Thread Jochen Topf
On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 11:14:37PM -0400, Peter Budny wrote: > Looking at very high zoom levels on Mapnik, I noticed that the East > Asian countries (Japan, China, etc) have their names written in native > script with the English name in parentheses, but a lot of other > countries (e.g. all the one