Re: [Tagging] Successful proposal

2010-10-13 Thread Richard Welty
On 10/13/10 4:24 PM, Noel David Torres Taño wrote: On Miércoles 13 Octubre 2010 20:22:49 Richard Welty escribió: On 10/13/10 2:38 PM, Noel David Torres Taño wrote: Maybe we need two separate pages, one with ALL approved features (which may be called, by the (high)way, Approved Map Features) wh

Re: [Tagging] Successful proposal

2010-10-13 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Craig Wallace wrote: > Yes, I agree with that, byway is really England and Wales > specific. And I think its generally deprecated there anyway Yes, it is, especially since the Countryside & Rights Of Way Act (CROW) which significantly reclassified UK 'byways'. It is better to use a universally u

Re: [Tagging] Successful proposal

2010-10-13 Thread Noel David Torres Taño
On Miércoles 13 Octubre 2010 20:22:49 Richard Welty escribió: > On 10/13/10 2:38 PM, Noel David Torres Taño wrote: > > Maybe we need two separate pages, one with ALL approved features (which > > may be called, by the (high)way, Approved Map Features) > > which requires an agreed upon definition of

Re: [Tagging] Successful proposal

2010-10-13 Thread Richard Welty
On 10/13/10 2:38 PM, Noel David Torres Taño wrote: Maybe we need two separate pages, one with ALL approved features (which may be called, by the (high)way, Approved Map Features) which requires an agreed upon definition of what constitutes an Approved Map Feature. good luck with that. not tha

Re: [Tagging] Successful proposal

2010-10-13 Thread Noel David Torres Taño
On Miércoles 13 Octubre 2010 11:59:22 SomeoneElse escribió: > On 13/10/2010 09:30, Lennard wrote: > > And how exactly would the craft tag become widely used if people have > > to out on a limb to find it, exactly because it's not mentioned in the > > Map Features? This will only hamper adoption.

Re: [Tagging] Successful proposal

2010-10-13 Thread Craig Wallace
On 13/10/2010 15:04, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: what about removing "highway=byway" from the mapfeatures? It is used less then 2000 times (which is very little for highway), and it is UK-only, so IMHO no reason at all to be listed on the main features page, could be moved to mapfeatures UK. Yes

Re: [Tagging] Successful proposal

2010-10-13 Thread Sean Horgan
As a new tagger, I look to Map Features to see what tags were supported by the community, not to see the most common tags. When I want to know the most commonly used tags, I use some automated tool like taginfo or tagstat. We are wrestling with a presentation issue and clearly a single wiki page

Re: [Tagging] Successful proposal

2010-10-13 Thread Peter Körner
Am 13.10.2010 16:04, schrieb M∡rtin Koppenhoefer: what about removing "highway=byway" from the mapfeatures? It is used less then 2000 times (which is very little for highway), and it is UK-only, so IMHO no reason at all to be listed on the main features page, could be moved to mapfeatures UK. Y

Re: [Tagging] Successful proposal

2010-10-13 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
what about removing "highway=byway" from the mapfeatures? It is used less then 2000 times (which is very little for highway), and it is UK-only, so IMHO no reason at all to be listed on the main features page, could be moved to mapfeatures UK. cheers, Martin __

Re: [Tagging] Successful proposal

2010-10-13 Thread Peter Körner
Am 13.10.2010 13:54, schrieb NopMap: Considering the reversal of the crafts entry He did not reverse anything, the craft tag and all documentation is still there, its just not listed as a common used tag (because it's not common used right now). Peter

Re: [Tagging] Successful proposal

2010-10-13 Thread Richard Fairhurst
NopMap wrote: > Considering the reversal of the crafts entry, I consider the changes > of Jonobennett very questionable as with his next edit on > MapFeatures he completely removed several established main tags, > e.g. barrier which is used over 10 times in Germany alone. I believe that wa

Re: [Tagging] Successful proposal

2010-10-13 Thread NopMap
The voting process may not be representative, but I believe it is the best approach for defining a new tag that OSM currently has. - at least there is some discussion and some documentation - interested people have one place to look for new tags and join the discussion I think that just going for

Re: [Tagging] Successful proposal

2010-10-13 Thread Richard Mann
The search box is also a lot faster than opening MapFeatures. Indeed there'd be a case for abolishing MapFeatures (and just making MapFeatures a category). Richard On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 11:59 AM, SomeoneElse wrote: >  On 13/10/2010 09:30, Lennard wrote: >> >> And how exactly would the craft ta

Re: [Tagging] Successful proposal

2010-10-13 Thread SomeoneElse
On 13/10/2010 09:30, Lennard wrote: And how exactly would the craft tag become widely used if people have to out on a limb to find it, exactly because it's not mentioned in the Map Features? This will only hamper adoption. Because they do a search of the wiki (and the mailing lists, and osm

Re: [Tagging] Successful proposal

2010-10-13 Thread Richard Fairhurst
lennard wrote: > And how exactly would the craft tag become widely used if people have > to out on a limb to find it, exactly because it's not mentioned in the > Map Features? This will only hamper adoption. Ah, but the purpose of Map Features is not "let's make my favourite tags widely used! t

Re: [Tagging] Successful proposal

2010-10-13 Thread Peter Körner
Am 13.10.2010 10:55, schrieb Ulf Lamping: The same way as other features that are in common use and (even still) not listed on Map Features (like the ski piste stuff). eg. by searching the wili for Craft (or German: Handwerk). It can be found this way. If people actually like the concept, the

Re: [Tagging] Successful proposal

2010-10-13 Thread Ulf Lamping
Am 13.10.2010 10:30, schrieb Lennard: On 13-10-2010 9:43, Peter Körner wrote: I contacted him and we're still in a very interesting discussion. His opinion is, that the map-features should list the *most common used* features and it's clear that with 500 uses, craft does not fall into this cate

Re: [Tagging] Successful proposal

2010-10-13 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Wed, 13 Oct 2010 09:43:36 +0200 Peter Körner wrote: > Am 13.10.2010 09:31, schrieb Matthias Meißer: > > For this proposal IMHO the users who removed the proposal should be > > notified and the author should be allowed to add his new feature to > > the map features page. He fullfilled all requi

Re: [Tagging] Successful proposal

2010-10-13 Thread Lennard
On 13-10-2010 9:43, Peter Körner wrote: I contacted him and we're still in a very interesting discussion. His opinion is, that the map-features should list the *most common used* features and it's clear that with 500 uses, craft does not fall into this category. So I can accept this tag not bein

Re: [Tagging] Successful proposal

2010-10-13 Thread Peter Körner
Am 13.10.2010 09:31, schrieb Matthias Meißer: For this proposal IMHO the users who removed the proposal should be notified and the author should be allowed to add his new feature to the map features page. He fullfilled all requirements with his proposal I contacted him and we're still in a very

Re: [Tagging] Successful proposal

2010-10-13 Thread Matthias Meißer
We talked about improving/changing the proposal process a few weeks ago to bypass problems like *people dislike voting chause of it's very limited nature *it should be a more 'show your design and improve it together with others' (as already said by others). *make it media indipendend so mailing

Re: [Tagging] Successful proposal

2010-10-12 Thread Pieren
On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 9:56 PM, Elizabeth Dodd wrote: > On Tue, 12 Oct 2010 21:06:44 +0200 > Peter Körner wrote: > > > I can follow this argumentation but it makes it hard to have two sets > > of rules to follow when creating tag-pages in the wiki. > > There are few rules regarding the wiki. >

Re: [Tagging] Successful proposal

2010-10-12 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Tue, 12 Oct 2010 21:06:44 +0200 Peter Körner wrote: > I can follow this argumentation but it makes it hard to have two sets > of rules to follow when creating tag-pages in the wiki. There are few rules regarding the wiki. I have not voted (because voting on the wiki is ridiculous) but whether

Re: [Tagging] Successful proposal

2010-10-12 Thread Peter Körner
Am 12.10.2010 18:02, schrieb M∡rtin Koppenhoefer: Am 12. Oktober 2010 17:31 schrieb Matthias Meißer: We identified the problem on the german mailinglist: http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=9586 I think there is a different problem, as the user who removed the item from the map-feat

Re: [Tagging] Successful proposal

2010-10-12 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
Am 12. Oktober 2010 17:31 schrieb Matthias Meißer : > We identified the problem on the german mailinglist: > http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=9586 What about closing the forum and redirecting them to the mailing-list archive? There is always complaints in the forum, that nobody tol

Re: [Tagging] Successful proposal

2010-10-12 Thread Matthias Meißer
We identified the problem on the german mailinglist: http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=9586 Matthias ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Successful proposal

2010-10-12 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
Am 12. Oktober 2010 13:20 schrieb Matthias Meißer : > I guess it is just an mistake and the situation is a little bit heated up by > some undocumented adds during the past months. +1 > There is no further doc needed beside a backlink to the vote (my suggestion) usually a feature page is creat

Re: [Tagging] Successful proposal

2010-10-12 Thread Peter Körner
Am 12.10.2010 13:20, schrieb Matthias Meißer: I guess Jonobennett just couldn't find the backlink to your sucessful vote and tried to keep the Map features page clean. Did you tried to contact him already? No but I will do so. I'm not following the tagging list permanently so I was not sure if I

Re: [Tagging] Successful proposal

2010-10-12 Thread Matthias Meißer
Hi Peter, I guess it is just an mistake and the situation is a little bit heated up by some undocumented adds during the past months. I guess Jonobennett just couldn't find the backlink to your sucessful vote and tried to keep the Map features page clean. Did you tried to contact him already