Re: [Tagging] Shelter for bats in an old building

2020-03-21 Thread althio
On Sat, 21 Mar 2020 at 12:24, Andrew Harvey wrote: > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Lifecycle_prefix > > disused:building=service > This, and: man_made=nesting_site https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dnesting_site > On Sat, 21 Mar 2020 at 19:13, s8evq wrote: > >> Hi every

Re: [Tagging] Hiking logbooks

2019-06-26 Thread althio
For what it's worth, some previous related discussions: https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2016-September/030048.html https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2019-January/041817.html On Wed, 26 Jun 2019 at 10:58, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > > On some hik

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - changing table - self referencing description

2019-05-28 Thread althio
Hi tagging, hi Warin, Sorry to interrupt, but I disagree at this point. * * * TL;DR: changing_table: "A tag for tagging changing tables" was indeed bad. changing_table: "provides a surface for changing the nappy (diaper) of an infant or young child" is just right (explains that "table" can be a "

Re: [Tagging] Tagging shared campuses: landuse=school?

2019-04-05 Thread althio
goes against 1 feature, 1 element. It would prevent basic operations like counting the schools in a city. -- althio ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Intermittently unprotected cycle track

2019-03-27 Thread althio
ki needs to be updated to the practice. -- althio [1]: if I am somehow wrong and it is indeed (remotely) possible to apply route relation membership with namespacing, I beg, please leave me ignorant. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org ht

Re: [Tagging] Horse mounting steps

2019-03-26 Thread althio
A few links https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=mounting_block#values https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2018-August/038689.html https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2018-August/038707.html -- althio On Tue, Mar 26, 2019, 21:37 Dave F via Tagging wrote

Re: [Tagging] Do we still need cycleway=opposite_lane? (Was: Do we still need cycleway=opposite?)

2019-03-20 Thread althio
On Tue, 19 Mar 2019 at 23:13, "Christian Müller" wrote: > Suggesting forward and backward as tag > values is a rather bad thing, as these > are values for route relation roles. > "rather bad thing"?!? Who says? Source? This is not what exists in the wiki page: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wik

Re: [Tagging] Wild changes to wiki pages changing the cycleway tagging scheme

2019-03-15 Thread althio
> > > "cycleway:left=lane" > > "cycleway:left:oneway=-1" > > > > as the currently preferred method and have been mapping/tagging like > > this for a while now. > > > > Just my two cents > > > > Hubert87 > &g

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - police=*

2019-03-14 Thread althio
Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > If this seems viable, I would expand the proposal by a migration proposal > > from amenity=police to police=station > > I don’t think we should abandon amenity=police and it will likely not happen > unless people tag so many different things with the tag that it be

Re: [Tagging] Wild changes to wiki pages changing the cycleway tagging scheme

2019-03-14 Thread althio
Discussed: maybe there https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2018-May/036164.html Decided : I don't know > Cmuelle introduces rather complex combinations of tags such as > cycleway:left=lane + cycleway:left:oneway=-1, that should in his view be used > instead of cycleway:left=opposit

Re: [Tagging] Mapping curb (kerb) lines as the home of curb, parking, etc information

2019-03-05 Thread althio
e objects are related to the nearest highway or the nearest crossing between several highways (use buffers accordingly in the pre-treatment). -- althio ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Fwd: Re: Forest parcel with other landcover (scrub, scree…): how to map?

2019-01-23 Thread althio
/* This kind of scheme seems to allow incremental mapping which is in my opinion desirable. -- althio On Wed, 23 Jan 2019 at 13:36, Paul Allen wrote: > On Wed, 23 Jan 2019 at 08:29, Mateusz Konieczny > wrote: > >> >> You may prefer to use landuse=logging or somet

Re: [Tagging] Yay, new howto map for diabilities created in wiki

2019-01-15 Thread althio
That sounds strange to me. I would not say we "map the needs", I would say we "map features or equipment", for people with particular needs (such as people with disabilities). I preferred "mapping _for_ the needs..." -- althio On Tue, 15 Jan 2019 at 10:15, Se

Re: [Tagging] wheelchair designated parking space tagging?

2019-01-12 Thread althio
e; no @ stay<1h -- althio ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] wheelchair designated parking space tagging?

2019-01-09 Thread althio
On Sun, 6 Jan 2019 at 00:31, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > The page could be about those OSM tags that are relevant for Disabled > features, > how to map these things .. not about 'missing tags' nor "information relevant > for disabled persons" > > Perhaps a new page - "Mapping accessibi

Re: [Tagging] place nodes for continents?

2018-08-07 Thread althio
I agree this position is debatable and finally arbitrary. And I find this particular position (for North America node) rather strange, it feels too much North, as if it was biased for Mercator projection maybe. As arbitrary as it is, we could accept by definition something like https://en.m.wikipe

Re: [Tagging] Golf tag combinations

2018-08-02 Thread althio
… -- althio On Thu, Aug 2, 2018, 14:11 Paul Allen wrote: > > In some situations, where name=* is already used for one thing but a > reference number is also needed, it makes > sense. In other situations t doesn't make sense (to me) to use ref, which > isn't r

Re: [Tagging] discrepancy in shop definition and "wholesale" value

2018-03-06 Thread althio
I am happy with shop=wholesale and would prefer to change slightly the definitions and descriptions ["A place selling products or services", no mention of retail] on pages https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Shops https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:shop

Re: [Tagging] Surface value for irregular, flat stones with variable gaps

2018-01-16 Thread althio
ase. > [1] http://www.pavingexpert.com/cobble01.htm > [2] http://www.pavingexpert.com/setts01.htm > [3] http://www.pavingexpert.com/blocks.htm Great pages! -- althio ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Surface value for portuguese pavement

2018-01-15 Thread althio
terial=* https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:material -- althio On Jan 15, 2018 7:16 AM, "Leon Karcher" wrote: > I'm not sure about 'paving_stones'. This is rather for stones which are > made of concrete. Maybe I missed some information, but those stones look > very natural,

Re: [Tagging] Surface value for portuguese pavement

2018-01-14 Thread althio
I think they are much more flat, smooth than regular sett. I guess surface=paving_stones is a good option. -- althio On 14 January 2018 at 22:26, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > On Sun, 14 Jan 2018 19:21:52 -0200 > Fernando Trebien wrote: > >> surface=cobblestone > > Rather s

Re: [Tagging] tagging for decaying features

2018-01-04 Thread althio
ed:amenity=school Regarding end dates, a best guess is enough if you are not able to find out precisely. ~C19 or ~C20 or whatever seems best, but not required anyway. -- althio ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] the smallest cathedral in the world [was: Questions on building-tag]

2017-12-20 Thread althio
he local mappers to decide, > obviously, but I > don't think it would be a problem to classify it as cathedral. Amen! :) -- althio ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] the smallest cathedral in the world [was: Questions on building-tag]

2017-12-20 Thread althio
rg/wiki/Talk:Key:boundary# Religious_authority_boundaries boundary=religious_administration religion=* denomination=* admin_level=* > size is not everything, surely you have noticed this is from the nineth century? Well, the Wikipedia page reads: built as a royal chapel, not buil

Re: [Tagging] New tag for major recipient postcodes

2017-12-19 Thread althio
, ...) 2a - contact:addr:* space for contact (postal) address (used for detailed information about one POI) if 2a is not suitable, consider any of: physical:addr vs [contact|post|postal|snailmail]:addr -- althio On 18 December 2017 at 20:43, Simon Poole wrote: > > > Am 17.12.2017 um 21:2

Re: [Tagging] Names containing abbreviations that are the official name

2017-07-26 Thread althio
official_name=Mt. Lebanon short_name, alt_name if need for other variations My 2 cents -- althio On 26 July 2017 at 12:18, Paul Johnson wrote: > On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 3:24 PM, Clifford Snow > wrote: >> >> Saint Paul - but that certainly is an exception. >> >> I wa

[Tagging] Grape & vineyard. Was: Key crop values containing tree or field

2017-07-08 Thread althio
aisins, table grapes and non-alcoholic grape juice. -- althio On Jul 9, 2017 4:32 AM, "Graeme Fitzpatrick" wrote: > I'd agree with you there Warin, the crop is what is being harvested, not > the trees themselves. > > Another one I noticed on that page is > > *cr

Re: [Tagging] minibus routes

2017-06-27 Thread althio
On 26 June 2017 at 14:25, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > 2017-06-26 10:05 GMT+02:00 althio: >> >> + bus=minibus > > bus, according to the wiki, is a legal access restriction. Or do you suggest > to use the same tags in different ways, according to the context? Hi Martin

[Tagging] tourist sightseeing bus routes [WAS: minibus routes]

2017-06-26 Thread althio
different type bus route, something similar to: type = route + route = tour_bus / sightseeing_bus + tour_bus = double_decker / land_train / + fee = * + key_for_hop_on_hop_off = * + capacity? + network, operator see also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trackless_train UK: land train, road train, Tschu-Tsc

Re: [Tagging] minibus routes

2017-06-26 Thread althio
+1 to all that, this looks good to me: type=route + route=bus + bus=minibus + network=* + operator=* -- althio ps: splitting the discussion about sightseeing/tourist On 26 June 2017 at 06:39, John Willis wrote: > > >> On Jun 26, 2017, at 1:02 AM, Colin Smale wrote: >>

[Tagging] Bus stop without infrastructure

2017-05-02 Thread althio
Hi, I started to gather some info about existing practices to map and tag bus stops without infrastructure. Please read there: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Tag:public_transport%3Dplatform#Bus_stop_without_infrastructure I would appreciate your comments and additions. -- althio

Re: [Tagging] Quonset hut

2017-04-13 Thread althio
ave started with: building=prefabricated prefabricated=quonset/nissen/... and optionally all subtags suggestions, they do seem to fit: building:levels=0 roof:levels=1 building:material=steel/... roof:material=steel/... roof:shape=round roof:orientation=along - althio _

Re: [Tagging] Restaurant that doesn't sell alcohol...

2017-04-10 Thread althio
I agree with Martin and I must insist: no abbreviations or acronyms please. My ideas are about: alcohol=yes/no/bring_your_own wine=yes/no/bring_your_own - althio On 11 April 2017 at 00:13, ajt1...@gmail.com wrote: > https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=byo > > Finds 3 "

Re: [Tagging] Holiday house for groups

2017-03-12 Thread althio
Well then as Thilo said, if it is not "tourism=apartment" it is "tourism=chalet" On 12 March 2017 at 16:35, Lorenzo "Beba" Beltrami wrote: > 2017-03-12 16:10 GMT+01:00 althio : >> >> From your description, I understand that tourism=apartment is a

Re: [Tagging] water=pool

2017-03-12 Thread althio
ter water=lake lake=stream_pool or natural=water water=stream_pool -- althio On 11 March 2017 at 10:24, Andrew Harvey wrote: > I'm looking for a tag for "A small and rather deep collection of (usually) > fresh water, as one supplied by a spring, or occurring in the course

Re: [Tagging] Holiday house for groups

2017-03-12 Thread althio
in the building". tourism=apartment number_of_apartments=* capacity=* -- althio On 11 March 2017 at 12:28, Lorenzo "Beba" Beltrami wrote: > Hi all, > I'm searching a valid tag for an holiday house rented to groups. > > It's something like tourism=apartment, but it

Re: [Tagging] A place where letters & parcels are sent to be sorted so they can be delivered?

2017-02-23 Thread althio
oes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sorting_office http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/sorting-office http://www.macmillandictionary.com/us/dictionary/american/sorting-office Cheers -- althio ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.o

Re: [Tagging] A place where letters & parcels are sent to be sorted so they can be delivered?

2017-02-23 Thread althio
lier) post_office=sorting_center 18 from https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/post_office=sorting_center all instances strangely in one place: https://overpass-turbo.eu/?w=%22post_office%22%3D%22sorting_center%22+global&R -- althio On 22 February 2017 at 20:56, Dave F wrote: > Hi > > A

Re: [Tagging] RFC: new key seaway for seabased transportation, ports, etc.

2017-02-22 Thread althio
://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/Seaway for this attempt. I hope this is relevant for your proposal. -- althio On 21 February 2017 at 19:34, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > Please comment on: > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Seaway > > Thank you, >

Re: [Tagging] Tagging of Country Names

2016-11-05 Thread althio
n intervene if necessary. But that is not a reason, quite the contrary, to start another war between local community and remote/global community. Especially when there is no disagreement locally. Even more so when there was disagreement locally and it is settled now. -- althio

Re: [Tagging] Tagging of Country Names

2016-11-04 Thread althio
unused) And I read here you seem to agree. > The longer I think about this, the more I come to the conclusion, that > having an official langage tag as Simon suggested might be the ways to go. > This way producers of maps can avoid using "name" at all. -- althio ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Tagging of Country Names

2016-11-04 Thread althio
Hi Dave, > Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: >> >> I'd prefer avoiding the word "official", in favor of eg default or >> on-the-ground etc. +1 Dave F wrote: > Isn't that what we have atm & where much of the ambiguity stems from? > > 'official' names appears the correct way to proceed -1 > > Ideally,

Re: [Tagging] Busways

2016-11-03 Thread althio
a special type, motorways are another > special type and so on. > So anything that is a highway but is none of these special types, then it's a > service. -1, not my understanding -- althio On 2 November 2016 at 07:23, Tijmen Stam wrote: > In the local Dutch forum there was a dis

Re: [Tagging] Proposal for motor racetracks

2016-10-17 Thread althio
Hi, I added a comment in the wiki discussion [Please see documented and already in use tag Tag:highway=raceway]. -- althio On 15 October 2016 at 23:11, Lorenzo Mastrogiacomi wrote: > Hi all, > I have drafted this proposal about a dedicated tag for racing circuits. > Please have a l

Re: [Tagging] Tagging natural or historic regions

2016-03-29 Thread althio
we could introduce a way to store fuzzy areas >>without using polygons, or by using more than one polygon as one object > >May be: Using a minimum (core area) and maximum (extension area) estimation as >one relation. - althio On 27 March 2016 at 11:08, David Marchal wrote: &g

Re: [Tagging] building=yes for multiple building

2016-03-23 Thread althio
ry. Is this suitable tracing and tagging (6 years ago)? - althio ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] building=yes for multiple building

2016-03-19 Thread althio
to have rough mapping and let it improve over time. Back to OP question: Once you trace a rough outline for multiple buildings, what is the tag? building=yes? or another value? with a note=*? a fixme=*? - althio ___ Tagging mai

Re: [Tagging] building=yes for multiple building

2016-03-19 Thread althio
=residential vs building=??? - althio ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] highway=residential road

2016-02-18 Thread althio
http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/37272932 Best course in my opinion would be to contact directly mapper(s) via OSM changesets discussion to welcome and explain. See you all - althio On Feb 18, 2016 7:57 AM, "Gerd Petermann" wrote: > Hi all, > > > in the last da

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Discourage tourism=gallery

2016-02-02 Thread althio
exhibition and sales): shop = artwork + artwork = painting / photography / ... (note: we have also tourism = artwork for public pieces of art, not for sale) For "art shops": shop = interior_decoration / furniture / carpet / antiques / ...

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Discourage tourism=gallery

2016-02-01 Thread althio
understand why you seem to support the wiki in this current state. - althio ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Government offices

2016-01-28 Thread althio
Colin, Please see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_of_Paris and tell me if it answers your questions and if I understood your concerns. - althio On 28 January 2016 at 12:10, Colin Smale wrote: > What do you mean with "institution"? Is that a single building housi

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Government offices

2016-01-28 Thread althio
On 28 January 2016 at 11:47, Matthijs Melissen wrote: > On 28 January 2016 at 11:43, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: >> Only problem: if an institution >> serves several levels we will either loose information (e.g. by using only >> the highest level) or deal with multiple values (but that's no dif

Re: [Tagging] Discussion about Multivalued Keys

2016-01-27 Thread althio
> Thanks for getting this discussion started. I agree, thank you Colin Colin, Matthijs, good luck on this one, I hope something will come out positively. > One thing to take into account in this discussion is that multi-valued > keys often move the problem to the data consumer. For that reason I

Re: [Tagging] Art galleries/museums

2016-01-26 Thread althio
brings too much confusion, I take it for a bad case of duck tagging. I would like : - discourage tourism=gallery - subtype of tourism=museum, museum=art just like museum=railway/history, and further art=painting/... - also redirect towards shop=art for badly tagged items althio On 25 Januar

Re: [Tagging] Tagging place offering photocopying and printing supplies

2016-01-19 Thread althio
to the list and use that. althio On 19 January 2016 at 21:43, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > I know that there is shop=copyshop ("A shop that offers photocopying > and printing services."). > > I want tag place offering photocopying and printing supplies - printers, > i

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - wedding_reception

2015-06-24 Thread althio
On 24 June 2015 at 14:36, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > (I note that event_venue is not on the wiki so I am unable to find what > restrictions this would place on its use other than the amenity key.) > Low numbers but the wiki page exists: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity

Re: [Tagging] Sector, section, and cemetery

2015-05-15 Thread althio
Kotya Karapetyan wrote: > 2) For large cemeteries, mapping of sections/sectors is essential for the > map to be of any use. There is a proposal for this > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Cemetery_sector, but > it seems to be abandoned. I would restart it, but I have a doubt:

Re: [Tagging] HOT: potential Helicopter landings leisure=common

2015-05-11 Thread althio
Forwarding to HOT activation working group. Activation WG, Please see an ongoing discussion about tagging:leisure=common for potential helicopter landings Tagging group, Tentative answers inline. Andreas Goss wrote: > > > Look for a clear ar

Re: [Tagging] Tagging village sign

2015-05-08 Thread althio
Please have a look at: man_made=village_sign + http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:inscription - althio On 8 May 2015 at 11:50, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) wrote: > On 7 May 2015 at 23:11, pmailkeey . wrote: >> Tips on tagging a village sign please. >> >> Village

Re: [Tagging] Artist studio?

2015-04-29 Thread althio
I would re-use coworking_space like: amenity=coworking_space craft=artist [/photographer/sculptor/...] cheers althio On 26 April 2015 at 06:58, Dave F. wrote: > On 26/04/2015 09:02, André Pirard wrote: > > The major skill of an artist being to be inventive, be prepared for &g

Re: [Tagging] List v Forum - was Accepted or rejected?

2015-03-20 Thread althio
> >> I use Stack Exchange a lot and it's great, very well designed for its > >> purpose. BUT Stack Exchange is not designed for community decision > >> making. There are tools/forums that are actually designed for that > >> purpose. > > 1) Can you point in the direction of the tools you mean ("des

Re: [Tagging] Buildings blocks

2015-03-12 Thread althio
On Mar 11, 2015 7:44 PM, "Markus Lindholm" wrote: > > On 11 March 2015 at 18:04, althio wrote: > > The trouble is there is no definition yet of city_block > > Not so. When I added it to osm wiki I also put there a reference to > the definition found in Wikipedia an

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-bf] Buildings blocks

2015-03-11 Thread althio
On 11 March 2015 at 18:14, Jean-Marc Liotier wrote: > On 11/03/2015 18:04, althio wrote: > >> >> To Séverin, >> >> For your particular case with your students and considering your time >> frame I would say: >> IMO it is taggable, no need to avoid in

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-bf] Buildings blocks

2015-03-11 Thread althio
Hi Jean-Marc, Thank you for your detailed input and review on this idea. It indeed looks to fit well within the existing scheme as a more refined urban territorial subdivision. place = city/town > suburb > neighbourhood > city_block/block / plot The trouble is there is no definition yet of city_

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-bf] Buildings blocks

2015-03-11 Thread althio
I do not have the answer but I wanted to look towards place=* tagged as area. A few possibilities may include: place=block [taginfo ~1 200 as area] [no wiki] place=city_block [taginfo ~900 as area] [wiki documentation, mostly in Stockholm, Sweden] place=plot [taginfo ~900 as area] [no wiki] p

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - shop=storage

2015-03-10 Thread althio
On 10 March 2015 at 21:40, Jan van Bekkum wrote: > Hi Bryce, > > How can I rename the wiki? Do I need to create a new one and copy/paste the > contents? Look on the line: Read | Edit | View history | [Star, Watch] | Dropdown arrow Click the Dropdown arrow and Move. _

Re: [Tagging] Tagging established, unofficial and wild campings

2015-02-24 Thread althio
On 24 February 2015 at 08:55, David Bannon wrote: > On Tue, 2015-02-24 at 06:15 +, Jan van Bekkum wrote: > >> >> What to do with places where one cannot camp? > > But your examples mostly focus on what were once campsites and are now not. So is > it camp_site=closed (or disused or similar) ? >

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - temperature

2015-02-11 Thread althio
On 11 February 2015 at 17:45, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: > On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 9:04 PM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> A hotel room that has air conditioning may be both heated or cooled >> depending on the desired temperature and the ambient temperature (and the >> air conditioner). It

Re: [Tagging] RFD pipeline sub tag substance

2015-01-30 Thread althio
> Sorry, I was thinking of gas as a product (as in natural gas), not a state of matter. Confusing, so I proposed natural_gas for natural gas. > I was thinking of substance=* as a category (water, fuel, oil, gas, coolant, etc etc I think we need (as often as possible) to tag separately nature and

Re: [Tagging] RFD pipeline sub tag substance

2015-01-30 Thread althio
John Willis wrote: > Substance=gas > Substance:detailed:multiphase_gas > Substance:state=multi That is not coherent. Do you mean that (substance=gas) is for mainly gas or gas-only? If it is gas only (substance=gas), it can be multiple gaseous products. But it is not multiphase. And then state=ga

Re: [Tagging] RFD pipeline sub tag substance

2015-01-29 Thread althio
On 29 January 2015 at 22:54, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 30/01/2015 5:07 AM, Rainer Fügenstein wrote: >>> >>> I'd like to repeat once again that "substance" doesn't seem to be a nice >>> key descriptor for values like ... >> content ... too static >> medium ... too spooky >> product

Re: [Tagging] RFD pipeline sub tag substance

2015-01-29 Thread althio
Throwing out my ideas... Disclaimer: These are generic proposals for pipeline sub-tagging with example values for illustration. I do not want to derail this towards water/drinking_water and multi-values (semicolon or namespaced). ;) I propose 3 keys: use/purpose (as main subtag), state/phase and

Re: [Tagging] Lifecycle concepts, "REMOVED"

2015-01-29 Thread althio
Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > Yes, feature that does not exist anymore (or even never existed!) or > is only proposed has no place in OSM. +1. No place on rendered map and apps. +/-1. No place on DB. > With possible caveat that features that are extremely likely to be added > (recently destroyed bu

Re: [Tagging] Lifecycle concepts, "REMOVED"

2015-01-29 Thread althio
Richard Z. wrote: > thank you all for the unexpected attention, the problematic text snippet > was cut&paste from [[Comparison of life cycle concepts]] where it must > have been lurking for some time. [[Comparison of life cycle concepts]] is meant as an overview. I approve very much your edit for

Re: [Tagging] Ethnic shops

2015-01-29 Thread althio
Eric SIBERT wrote: > I started modifying the wiki following our recent discussion. > > For cuisine=*, I added: > ... > For shop=convenience, I added (in Tags used in combination): > ... +1 > And latter go on with culture=* for nonfood services? +1 Hi Martin Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > The f

Re: [Tagging] Lifecycle concepts, "REMOVED"

2015-01-29 Thread althio
Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: >> removed: >> (features that do not exist anymore but may still be seen on other >> sources) >> [@Martin: leave a mention to the other sources] > > I see no harm in leaving them in OSM. Untill something is built there or the > landuse/cover changes. Leave it th

Re: [Tagging] Lifecycle concepts, "REMOVED"

2015-01-28 Thread althio
> removed: > > (features that do not exist anymore or never existed but are commonly seen > on other sources) > > I propose to remove the part "or never existed but are commonly seen on > other sources", because this has nothing to do with "removed". If people want > to tag easter eggs or errors >

Re: [Tagging] Shop for watches

2015-01-25 Thread althio
And see also for repairs: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:craft%3Dwatchmaker ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Shop for watches

2015-01-25 Thread althio
Hi Plural form shop=watches is (a bit) more used and documented at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dwatches But not mentioned in Map Features or Key:shop. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/li

Re: [Tagging] Wiki Edit War on using/avoiding semicolon lists

2015-01-23 Thread althio
> Also, I think that the subkey separator (':') should be different from > the index separator (let's say '_' although that isn't fully > standardised yet). Because I could concoct an example where "2" is a > subkey rather than an index. Visually for index I would go for "#" or "-" but I don't kno

Re: [Tagging] Wiki Edit War on using/avoiding semicolon lists

2015-01-23 Thread althio
While I am no skilled programmer I agree with the next points: (any guru is welcome to disregard my following opinion if he wants to) > Just because one can use a regular expression to grep out a certain meaning > doesn't mean it's a good thing to do and will always work. Regexps are AFAIK quit

Re: [Tagging] Electronic or 'e' cigarettes?

2015-01-22 Thread althio
>> Existing pages: value "e-cigarette" is referenced in the wiki. >> >> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3De-cigarette >> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:shop#Others > > The wiki page is very recent with only two contributors. I wouldn't be > surprised if "e-cigarette" in the db w

Re: [Tagging] Wiki Edit War on using/avoiding semicolon lists

2015-01-22 Thread althio
>> My little +1 for key:subkey=* > > New people don't know how to add new keys. So they will have problems to add > cuisine:antwerp = yes (in case such a thing would exist :-) ). > it's much easier to come up with cuisine=Antwerp, especially when there is > an input field "cuisine". New people can

Re: [Tagging] Electronic or 'e' cigarettes?

2015-01-22 Thread althio
Existing pages: value "e-cigarette" is referenced in the wiki. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3De-cigarette http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:shop#Others On 22 January 2015 at 15:43, Dave F. wrote: > Ah, As normal cigarettes are sold in multiples I didn't think of searching >

Re: [Tagging] Deprecation of associatedStreet-relations

2015-01-22 Thread althio
> Hi all - does anyone know what the geographic distribution of > associatedStreet is like? taginfo doesn't render a map (it seems it > doesn't do that for relations). This shows a map, I don't know if this is what you are looking for: http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/type=associatedStreet#ma

Re: [Tagging] Deprecation of associatedStreet-relations

2015-01-22 Thread althio althio
read, I guess it does not really matter. But the starting process looked biased towards the German community. Mit freundlichen Grüssen althio ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Wiki Edit War on using/avoiding semicolon lists

2015-01-22 Thread althio althio
> I even find the second example more difficult to visualize. It's just worse > than the first in every respect. >From a mapper's point of view My little +1 for key:subkey=* In free text like this thread, several key:subkey=* may look more heavy and complicated than key=values;separated;by;semico

Re: [Tagging] Wiki Edit War on using/avoiding semicolon lists

2015-01-22 Thread althio althio
Hi Jo/Polyglot and list, On 22 January 2015 at 12:01, Jo wrote: > Which too schemes? I think you'd need to be more specific. 1. key=values;separated;by;semicolon 2. several key:subkey=* > route_ref:De_Lijn=1;2;3;4;5;6;7;8;9;284;285;310;315;316;317;333;334;335;337;351;352;358;370;371;372;373;374

Re: [Tagging] Wiki Edit War on using/avoiding semicolon lists

2015-01-22 Thread althio althio
First point: It is good that several people invent, propose and use various schemes. Second point: At some point, unification of schemes with similar intent would be great. As usage grows, having the same kind of data treated differently is a pain for everyone, mappers, developers, maintainers and

Re: [Tagging] Deprecation of associatedStreet-relations

2015-01-22 Thread althio althio
> Please vote here: > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Relation:associatedStreet Is this a formal voting? Is there a date for start and end vote? It looks strange, hidden on a Talk:page without the usual template or RFC or call for votes on the international mailing lists.

Re: [Tagging] Basic philosophy of OSM tagging

2015-01-20 Thread althio althio
Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > What is the basic philosophy of OSM tagging at the top level? > ... > Is there an FAQ on this? Or has this never been documented I do not have a FAQ on philosophy, only this and that... A few entries about 'how to create/propose/use' tags: http://wiki.openst

Re: [Tagging] Ethnic shops

2015-01-20 Thread althio althio
> like: > amenity=hairdresser > name=Scalp > culture=punk > ? Exactly, I provided other examples in my previous message such as culture=country, culture=grunge, culture=shinto. Using several keys ethnicity=* + nationality=* + subculture=* all together would be unambiguous but I think culture=* do

Re: [Tagging] Ethnic shops

2015-01-19 Thread althio althio
John Willis wrote: > I think there should be ethnic=*, Nationality=* , or culture=*tag that can be used [...] I find culture=* the best so far. I find it specialised enough (compared to _type=*, origin=*, category=*, group=* ...) I find it accurate enough. I find it generic enough (compared to m

Re: [Tagging] waterway=wadi problem

2015-01-19 Thread althio althio
On 19 January 2015 at 13:42, Eric SIBERT wrote: > One may also not that road are also subject to intermittent (un)usability. > Some unpaved one are closed during rainy season. Some part of road have > concrete parts that are flood_prone during cyclone. > > How can we (or not) extend it to roads?

Re: [Tagging] waterway=wadi problem

2015-01-18 Thread althio althio
My main suggestion would be to re-use the same scheme as Key:opening_hours to define the time when the waterway is likely to flow. I would also discard rare/frequent as too subjective. Instead: approximate duration are not perfect but should improve mutual understanding. For instance as in: waterw

Re: [Tagging] Basic philosophy of OSM tagging

2015-01-16 Thread althio althio
"Kotya Karapetyan" > 2) Suggested tags functionality should be implemented. I have seen that in the Android editor Vespucci. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - Voting - Water tap

2015-01-16 Thread althio althio
It seems that Pieren and I agree on most points. @François Maybe drinkable water is a very special case... but here service/use is much more important than object/feature. The ability to find this water on a map or from any data consumer is useful. It can even be essential to many people from hike

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - Voting - Water tap

2015-01-16 Thread althio althio
I didn't follow every bits of the discussion, so sorry for interrupting. Sorry also if my proposals are out of scope or already reviewed. Maybe a fresh view can help. @Marc amenity=drinking_water // amenity=non_drinking_water It feels like a good start and compromise. Either can be associated with

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - Voting - Water tap

2015-01-14 Thread althio althio
On Jan 14, 2015 5:53 PM, "Marc Gemis" wrote: > > > On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 12:45 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> I appreciate you concerns. They should have been raised in the commenting period of the proposal rather than the voting period that is coming to a close. > > > -1. Why wo

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