Re: [Tagging] Residential=rural, =urban?

2019-04-12 Thread Warin
On 12/04/19 19:02, Ilya Zverev wrote: I agree the naming is a bit off, since in Russia it is common to have buildings in medium-sized cities “sorted” by height from outskits towards the center :) The only criteria is a number of families living in a building, actual height does not matter. One

Re: [Tagging] Requiring area=yes with barrier=wall, barrier=hedge and other usually linear features when mapped as an area`1

2019-04-12 Thread Phake Nick
>Example: I'm considering using the tag "area=yes" to check if a >barrier should be rendered as an area. Right now "barrier=hedge" is >rendered as an area in the Openstreetmap-carto if it is imported as a >polygon. This happens for all closed ways that are tagged "area=yes", >but it also happens if

[Tagging] Requiring area=yes with barrier=wall, barrier=hedge and other usually linear features when mapped as an area`1

2019-04-12 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Question: Will mappers understand if adding or taking away "area=yes" from a closed way changes the rendering? Background: Right now the wiki pages for barrier=wall and barrier=hedge allow these features to be mapped as an area, but the closed way is supposed to have the tag "area=yes" added to ma

Re: [Tagging] airport check in counters

2019-04-12 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Sat, 13 Apr 2019 at 09:26, Paul Allen wrote: Thanks, Paul - sort of understand where you're coming from, but it's complicated, & as I mentioned ^, probably unsolvable? At least that's what I understood the reasoning to be the last time the > lead programmer of iD > had things to say about cov

Re: [Tagging] airport check in counters

2019-04-12 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Sat, 13 Apr 2019 at 09:01, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > There are 457 uses of booking=* in the data base. I have used it on > camping sites that require seasonal booking. > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key%3Abooking > & the discussion page there suggests using reservation=, wh

Re: [Tagging] airport check in counters

2019-04-12 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
For campgrounds, campsites and tourism=caravan_site the most commonly used tag is camp_site=reception, over 1000 uses but it was only part of an old proposal. On Sat, Apr 13, 2019 at 8:01 AM Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > There are 457 uses of booking=* in the data base. I have used it on

Re: [Tagging] airport check in counters

2019-04-12 Thread Paul Allen
On Fri, 12 Apr 2019 at 23:41, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > Yes, we see this with some of the camping grounds we regularly go to. Some > have offices / kiosks, where you check in on arrival; some have no check in > requirements at all - you just arrive, pick a (unmarked) spot & set up; > while othe

Re: [Tagging] airport check in counters

2019-04-12 Thread Warin
There are 457 uses of booking=* in the data base. I have used it on camping sites that require seasonal booking. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key%3Abooking Humm reception and checkin as the same? I did propose amenity=reception .. failed as some did not want it as amenity ... I use it.

Re: [Tagging] airport check in counters

2019-04-12 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Fri, 12 Apr 2019 at 21:49, Paul Allen wrote: > On Fri, 12 Apr 2019 at 10:13, bkil wrote: > >> >> Also, I was just considering whether we could unite related features >> like ticket booths/ticket check/vending/reception/information >> desk/check-in for various places like camp_site, hotel, mot

Re: [Tagging] what is the meaning of bicycle=yes on highway=path

2019-04-12 Thread Greg Troxel
Richard Fairhurst writes: > Volker Schmidt wrote: >> "highway=path" implies "bicycle=yes" (in most jurisdictions) - see the >> proposed Default-Access-Restriction for all countries > > That's not a default that I feel enormously comfortable with. Whatever the > wiki might say, "bare" highway=path

Re: [Tagging] what is the meaning of bicycle=yes on highway=path

2019-04-12 Thread Greg Troxel
Joseph Eisenberg writes: > "an armchair mapper should add access=unknown to the tagging" > > I certainly don't do this when mapping from aerial imagery, and > neither of the editors that I've used (ID and JOSM) have suggest > adding "access=unknown" to a newly mapped path. I only add access=unkn

Re: [Tagging] what is the meaning of bicycle=yes on highway=path

2019-04-12 Thread Volker Schmidt
"an armchair mapper should add access=unknown to the tagging" > > I certainly don't do this when mapping from aerial imagery, and > neither of the editors that I've used (ID and JOSM) have suggest > adding "access=unknown" to a newly mapped path. > Thinking about this, I would say it's wrong. When

Re: [Tagging] what is the meaning of bicycle=yes on highway=path

2019-04-12 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
Apr 12, 2019, 3:24 PM by vosc...@gmail.com: > @Mateusz > > I just got alerted that you added a paragraph on the wiki Page > > OSM_tags_for_routing/Access-Restrictions > > in which you state: > > "Note that explici

Re: [Tagging] what is the meaning of bicycle=yes on highway=path

2019-04-12 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
"an armchair mapper should add access=unknown to the tagging" I certainly don't do this when mapping from aerial imagery, and neither of the editors that I've used (ID and JOSM) have suggest adding "access=unknown" to a newly mapped path. My understanding is that highway=path is rather problemati

Re: [Tagging] what is the meaning of bicycle=yes on highway=path

2019-04-12 Thread Andy Townsend
On 12/04/2019 14:24, Volker Schmidt wrote: @Mateusz I just got alerted that you added a paragraph on the wiki Page OSM_tags_for_routing/Access-Restrictions in which you state: " Note that explicit tagging of acce

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Camp_site=camp_pitch

2019-04-12 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
I agree that "camp_site=camp_pitch" isn't a perfect tag name, but it's been used so often that I don't think it's worth changing. It's already supported with a preset in ID as well. As mentioned in the older version of the proposal, the value is "camp_pitch" to avoid ambiguity with sporting pitche

Re: [Tagging] what is the meaning of bicycle=yes on highway=path

2019-04-12 Thread Volker Schmidt
@Mateusz I just got alerted that you added a paragraph on the wiki Page OSM_tags_for_routing/Access-Restrictions in which you state: " Note that explicit tagging of access repeating what following tables imply may be

Re: [Tagging] airport check in counters

2019-04-12 Thread Paul Allen
On Fri, 12 Apr 2019 at 10:13, bkil wrote: > > Also, I was just considering whether we could unite related features > like ticket booths/ticket check/vending/reception/information > desk/check-in for various places like camp_site, hotel, motel, > guest_house, school, office, mall, community_centre

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Camp_site=camp_pitch

2019-04-12 Thread Sven Geggus
Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > I’m fine with mapping individual pitches, but I don’t like the key. > “camp_site=*” sounds like a tag for the subtype of a camp site rather than > a different feature within such a site. Unfortunately its currently used for both. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/

Re: [Tagging] airport check in counters

2019-04-12 Thread bkil
When drafting your proposal, please consider that some map indoor features as nodes, not areas. This is to minimize cost to benefit, improve overview and enhance maintainability. Also, I was just considering whether we could unite related features like ticket booths/ticket check/vending/reception/

Re: [Tagging] Residential=rural, =urban?

2019-04-12 Thread Ilya Zverev
I agree the naming is a bit off, since in Russia it is common to have buildings in medium-sized cities “sorted” by height from outskits towards the center :) The only criteria is a number of families living in a building, actual height does not matter. One or two — this is “=rural”, more — “=urb

Re: [Tagging] what is the meaning of bicycle=yes on highway=path

2019-04-12 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 11. Apr 2019, at 19:45, marc marc wrote: > > look like wrong. some mtb tag exist (including the misued mtb=*, > misused because I doubt there are so many signs saying that > a path is forbidden to mtb's. > https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=mtb > what's a path no

Re: [Tagging] what is the meaning of bicycle=yes on highway=path

2019-04-12 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 11. Apr 2019, at 17:48, Paul Johnson wrote: > > It's recommended that bicycle and foot get tagged explicitly where there's no > obvious global default (like footway, path, cycleway and motorway). +1, please do not remove “apparently redundant” access tags. IMHO we sh

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Camp_site=camp_pitch

2019-04-12 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 10. Apr 2019, at 09:02, Joseph Eisenberg > wrote: > > There is also a tag camp_site=pitch which is undocumented and seems to mean > the same thing, but it is only used 1500 times by 34 mappers, and does not > seem to be growing in usage. I'd recommend approving camp_s

Re: [Tagging] tags for a live stock sale yard

2019-04-12 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 11. Apr 2019, at 09:27, Philip Barnes wrote: > > Cattle Market, or Livestock Market are the British terms for these. what about the key, amenity? shop? man_made? “building” is about the building, not the feature (function), landuse is a property of the land. From the

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Camp_site=camp_pitch

2019-04-12 Thread Sven Geggus
Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > It sounds like your sites are used as second homes or vacation homes > in the countryside, so I can see how that could still fit under > tourism=caravan_site. Exactly. However an access=private or access=members might be sufficient as well. Sven -- "Dynamische IP-Numm

Re: [Tagging] what is the meaning of bicycle=yes on highway=path

2019-04-12 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
Apr 11, 2019, 4:43 PM by vosc...@gmail.com: > In the context of cycling-related tagging there is an issue which I would > like to bring up. > This regards the tag combination highway=path and bicycle=yes. > > Access tags generally are about legal access (with a few exceptions which do > not a