Re: [Tagging] tagging of one-way cycle lanes

2018-05-13 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
13. May 2018 23:34 by kevin.b.kenny+...@gmail.com : > I've long said that the final arbiters of tagging should be the intermediate > consumers of the data - not the end users, but rather the people who > implement the routers, renderers, navigation systems,.

Re: [Tagging] tagging of one-way cycle lanes

2018-05-13 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
14. May 2018 01:45 by ethnicfoodisgr...@gmail.com : >> Date: Sun, 13 May 2018 16:51:26 -0400 >> From: Bryan Housel <>> br...@7thposition.com >> >> > >> To: osm-tagging <>> tagging@openstreetmap.org >>

Re: [Tagging] tagging of one-way cycle lanes

2018-05-13 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
14. May 2018 08:38 by dieterdre...@gmail.com : > On 14. May 2018, at 08:05, <> osm.tagg...@thorsten.engler.id.au > > > <> > osm.tagg...@thorsten.engler.id.au > > > wrote: > > >>

Re: [Tagging] tagging of one-way cycle lanes

2018-05-13 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 14. May 2018, at 08:05, > wrote: > > So the easiest tagging is: > > > > lanes=2 > > cycleway=lane > is there a difference to cycleway:both=lane ? Is the latter for oneway streets with a counterflow lane? cheers, Martin _

Re: [Tagging] tagging of one-way cycle lanes

2018-05-13 Thread osm.tagging
To get back to your original question… From: Volker Schmidt Sent: Thursday, 10 May 2018 03:11 To: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools Subject: [Tagging] tagging of one-way cycle lanes I want to tag a road (one of thousands in this country) that has two lanes for cars (one in

Re: [Tagging] tagging of one-way cycle lanes

2018-05-13 Thread EthnicFood IsGreat
Date: Sun, 13 May 2018 16:51:26 -0400 From: Bryan Housel To: osm-tagging Subject: Re: [Tagging] tagging of one-way cycle lanes [...] It kind of makes one question whether a community edited wiki is a good way to standardize a tagging scheme intended to produce a coherant mapping dataset.

Re: [Tagging] tagging of one-way cycle lanes

2018-05-13 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 13. May 2018, at 23:50, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > if you want to be explicit, you could also add cycleway:left:lanes=0 and > cycleway:right:lanes=0 ;-) sorry for this, was obviously nonsense... ___ Tagging mailing list T

Re: [Tagging] tagging of one-way cycle lanes

2018-05-13 Thread Simon Poole
Am 13.05.2018 um 22:51 schrieb Bryan Housel: > Hah speaking of lanes.. > Why does the osm wiki page for `leisure=track` list `lanes=*` under > the “useful combination” section. > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:leisure=track Because it is an attribute tag for leisure=track and not for hig

Re: [Tagging] tagging of one-way cycle lanes

2018-05-13 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 9. May 2018, at 19:11, Volker Schmidt wrote: > > Should I go ahead with my tagging? Alternatives? if you want to be explicit, you could also add cycleway:left:lanes=0 and cycleway:right:lanes=0 ;-) Cheers, Martin ___ Taggi

Re: [Tagging] tagging of one-way cycle lanes

2018-05-13 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 9. May 2018, at 19:11, Volker Schmidt wrote: > > My (basic) tagging would be: > highway=unclassified (or whatever) > cycleway:right=lane > cycleway:right:oneway=yes > cycleway:left=lane > cycleway:left:oneway=-1 > > the value "-1" is discouraged for the "oneway" key, bu

Re: [Tagging] tagging of one-way cycle lanes

2018-05-13 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Sun, May 13, 2018 at 4:51 PM, Bryan Housel wrote: > It kind of makes one question whether a community edited wiki is a good > way to standardize a tagging scheme intended to produce a coherant mapping > dataset. Bold suggestion: maybe the people who write the tools should just > get together

Re: [Tagging] tagging of one-way cycle lanes

2018-05-13 Thread Bryan Housel
Hah speaking of lanes.. Why does the osm wiki page for `leisure=track` list `lanes=*` under the “useful combination” section. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:leisure=track I don’t believe I’ve ever seen an athletics track that allow

Re: [Tagging] tagging of one-way cycle lanes

2018-05-13 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
13. May 2018 20:58 by ba...@ursamundi.org : > On Sun, May 13, 2018 at 1:36 PM, Johnparis <> ok...@johnfreed.com > > > wrote: > >> Back to this again, Paul. It is getting tiresome. If you don't like how the >> tag is defined, create a new o

Re: [Tagging] tagging of one-way cycle lanes

2018-05-13 Thread Tod Fitch
> On May 13, 2018, at 11:58 AM, Paul Johnson wrote: > > On Sun, May 13, 2018 at 1:36 PM, Johnparis > wrote: > Back to this again, Paul. It is getting tiresome. If you don't like how the > tag is defined, create a new one. Don't vandalize the old one. > > Improvemen

Re: [Tagging] tagging of one-way cycle lanes

2018-05-13 Thread Simon Poole
Am 11.05.2018 um 17:40 schrieb Paul Johnson: > > Why the almost religious doctrine level of resistance to change?  Even > the Linux kernel rewrites entire subsystems from time to time when a > superior approach comes around. > Try to change the semantics of an existing LINUX system call (which is

Re: [Tagging] tagging of one-way cycle lanes

2018-05-13 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sun, May 13, 2018 at 1:36 PM, Johnparis wrote: > Back to this again, Paul. It is getting tiresome. If you don't like how > the tag is defined, create a new one. Don't vandalize the old one. > Improvement=vandalism. Got it. > The *:lanes suffix is unrelated to the lanes=* tag. Get over it.

Re: [Tagging] tagging of one-way cycle lanes

2018-05-13 Thread Johnparis
Back to this again, Paul. It is getting tiresome. If you don't like how the tag is defined, create a new one. Don't vandalize the old one. The *:lanes suffix is unrelated to the lanes=* tag. Get over it. On Sun, May 13, 2018 at 8:26 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: > On Sun, May 13, 2018 at 1:23 PM,

Re: [Tagging] [OKFILTER] Re: tagging of one-way cycle lanes

2018-05-13 Thread Johnparis
+1 Thanks, Marc. Simpler is better :) On Sun, May 13, 2018 at 8:21 PM, Marc Gemis wrote: > I would just map them as lanes =2; cycleway=lane. That is how they are > mapped in Belgium and The Netherlands. > Isn't that the L1a case of > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Bicycle that you describe

Re: [Tagging] tagging of one-way cycle lanes

2018-05-13 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sun, May 13, 2018 at 1:23 PM, Marc Gemis wrote: > On Sat, May 12, 2018 at 11:34 PM, Marc Gemis wrote: > > For your first image lanes=0, lanes:forward=2, lanes:backward=1. Awkward > but > > correct. > > > This is of course incorrect, lanes = 0 (or just do not mention it) > and bicycle:lanes:fo

Re: [Tagging] tagging of one-way cycle lanes

2018-05-13 Thread Marc Gemis
On Sat, May 12, 2018 at 11:34 PM, Marc Gemis wrote: > For your first image lanes=0, lanes:forward=2, lanes:backward=1. Awkward but > correct. This is of course incorrect, lanes = 0 (or just do not mention it) and bicycle:lanes:forward=yes|yes (or designated|designated) and something similar for

Re: [Tagging] tagging of one-way cycle lanes

2018-05-13 Thread Marc Gemis
I would just map them as lanes =2; cycleway=lane. That is how they are mapped in Belgium and The Netherlands. Isn't that the L1a case of https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Bicycle that you describe ? regards m. On Wed, May 9, 2018 at 7:11 PM, Volker Schmidt wrote: > > I want to tag a road (one

Re: [Tagging] [OKFILTER] Re: tagging of one-way cycle lanes

2018-05-13 Thread Johnparis
Thorsten's initial suggestion is the agreed-upon method, not PJ's. https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2018-May/036178.html Instead of oneway=yes and oneway=-1, use :lanes:forward or :lanes:backward in the key. And as many have pointed out, don't touch the main "lanes" tag, which e

Re: [Tagging] tagging of one-way cycle lanes

2018-05-13 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sun, May 13, 2018 at 12:04 PM, Volker Schmidt wrote: > May I kindly ask my fellow mappers to come back to my initial question > about tagging of oneway cycle lanes? I would like to get an amswer without > changing the existing tagging schemes for lanes. > > Thanks in advance > I still stand b

Re: [Tagging] tagging of one-way cycle lanes

2018-05-13 Thread Volker Schmidt
May I kindly ask my fellow mappers to come back to my initial question about tagging of oneway cycle lanes? I would like to get an amswer without changing the existing tagging schemes for lanes. Thanks in advance On 13 May 2018 at 16:30, Paul Johnson wrote: > > > On Sun, May 13, 2018, 00:37 Ma

Re: [Tagging] tagging of one-way cycle lanes

2018-05-13 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sun, May 13, 2018, 00:37 Marc Gemis wrote: > For your first image lanes=0, lanes:forward=2, lanes:backward=1. > This literally doesn't add up. Also, that's a shoulder on the right, Tulsa screwed up and used white paint for the centerline. Awkward but correct. But as said before, the lanes