Re: [sword-devel] Chinese Pinyin bible

2011-09-11 Thread AJ
It is not possible to directly covert from Chinese characters to pinyin. Many (most) characters have more than one pronunciation depending on the intended meaning (same as the in English with one word have multiple meanings). You have to look character by character to make decisions on what p

Re: [sword-devel] Chinese Pinyin bible

2011-09-11 Thread David Haslam
The output of converting to Pinyin using BabelPad is inadequate for the purpose I suggested, in that it still leaves tonal choices for the user to make. Example: ChiUn => Pinyin gives: Genesis 1:1: qǐ chū, shēn/shén chuāng/chuàng cāo/cào/zào tiān de/dì。 Genesis 1:2: de/dì shì kōng/kǒng/kòng xū gǔ

Re: [sword-devel] Chinese Pinyin bible

2011-09-11 Thread David Haslam
I just checked the web page where we got the source text from. http://www.wordproject.org/search/py.htm http://www.wordproject.org/search/py.htm It's clear that the text for Mark's Gospel is now available. Maybe other errors have been corrected? Thus the simplest thing would be to grab a fresh

Re: [sword-devel] Chinese Pinyin bible

2011-09-11 Thread David Haslam
PS> To do what I just suggested, you'd need to ask Chris Little for a copy of the OSIS source text file[s]. David -- View this message in context: http://sword-dev.350566.n4.nabble.com/Chinese-Pinyin-bible-tp3803241p3805455.html Sent from the SWORD Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __

Re: [sword-devel] Chinese Pinyin bible

2011-09-11 Thread David Haslam
Perhaps the best approach to fixing this ChiPinyin module is to start from a known "good" module such as ChiUn in the CrossWire Av11n repository? http://www.babelstone.co.uk/Software/BabelPad.html BabelPad includes a conversion for Han ideographs to Pinyin. One advantage is that the conversion p

Re: [sword-devel] Chinese Pinyin bible

2011-09-10 Thread 1stmac
I've had a look at this module. It has quite a number of errors, including: * missing words in several verses in Lev 11, Num 15, Dt, Neh, 2Kg, Job, Isa, Amos and Luke * missing verse in Dt 15:5, Lk 23:28 * problems with Ps 10, Ps 100-129, Eze 10-13 * missing Mark 3 Still, it does look salvageabl

Re: [sword-devel] Chinese Pinyin bible

2011-09-10 Thread David Haslam
As well as the ChiPinYin module in the Xiphos repository, if you have installed Xiphos, you could install the ChiUns module and then use Module Options in the Xiphos context menu, and select Transliteration. May not be exactly what you're seeking, but is certainly worth knowing about as a further

Re: [sword-devel] Chinese Pinyin bible

2011-09-10 Thread Martin Denham
Hi, There is one in the Xiphos repo: ftp://ftp.xiphos.org/zip/chipinyin.zip Martin On 10 September 2011 04:24, 1stmac wrote: > My apologies, that was probably *not* exactly what you we're looking for > ... > > On Sep 10, 2011, at 11:13 AM, 1stmac wrote: > > Is this what you're looking for? > h

Re: [sword-devel] Chinese Pinyin bible

2011-09-09 Thread 1stmac
My apologies, that was probably not exactly what you we're looking for ... On Sep 10, 2011, at 11:13 AM, 1stmac wrote: > Is this what you're looking for? > http://www.wordproject.org/pn/index.htm > > שלום > Yau Onn > > On Sep 10, 2011, at 10:45 AM, AJ wrote: > >> A while back (1 year +) someo

Re: [sword-devel] Chinese Pinyin bible

2011-09-09 Thread AJ
There are a number of Pinyin bibles on the web. What I need is a Pinyin module in the Sword Project format that I can install on my desktop. Thanks, Allen On 9/10/2011 11:13 AM, 1stmac wrote: Is this what you're looking for? http://www.wordproject.org/pn/index.htm שלום Yau Onn On Sep 10, 20

Re: [sword-devel] Chinese Pinyin bible

2011-09-09 Thread 1stmac
Is this what you're looking for? http://www.wordproject.org/pn/index.htm שלום Yau Onn On Sep 10, 2011, at 10:45 AM, AJ wrote: > A while back (1 year +) someone pointed me to a link where I could download a > Chinese Pinyin bible in Sword Project format (not someone on the normal > CrossWire w

[sword-devel] Chinese Pinyin bible

2011-09-09 Thread AJ
A while back (1 year +) someone pointed me to a link where I could download a Chinese Pinyin bible in Sword Project format (not someone on the normal CrossWire website). Can anyone send me a link? Thanks, Allen ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-de

Re: [sword-devel] Chinese pinyin

2010-10-21 Thread Matthew Patenaude
To all concerned: Peter's recent comment about pinyin search being a many-to-one affair is correct. I don't know how many people who seriously need to use this for ministry work would be very concerned about searching in pinyin, frankly. As far as searching goes, most would be more concerned about

Re: [sword-devel] Chinese PinYin, OSIS, SWORD and front-ends

2010-10-20 Thread Peter von Kaehne
> Von: DM Smith > My guess is that we can add a transliterator that would go from oikos to > οικοσ. That way, the transliteration would not need to be stored. > > I don't know enough about Chinese and PinYin to know if this would work. I think the biggest problem with Chinese -> PinYin is that

Re: [sword-devel] Chinese PinYin, OSIS, SWORD and front-ends

2010-10-19 Thread DM Smith
On Oct 19, 2010, at 5:20 PM, Chris Little wrote: > On 10/19/2010 1:54 PM, Matthew Talbert wrote: >> On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 4:19 AM, David Haslam >> wrote: >>> >>> Something to ponder for the future then, maybe? >>> >>> See �http://crosswire.org/wiki/Talk:Transliteration >>> http://crosswire.

Re: [sword-devel] Chinese PinYin, OSIS, SWORD and front-ends

2010-10-19 Thread Matthew Talbert
> I'm really about as ignorant of (C)Lucene as a person can be, so someone > please correct me if I'm wrong. I believe our indexing just indexes at the > record level (verses or dictionary entries). So, upon creation of the index, > you could just concatenate the text and the transliterated text

Re: [sword-devel] Chinese PinYin, OSIS, SWORD and front-ends

2010-10-19 Thread Chris Little
On 10/19/2010 1:54 PM, Matthew Talbert wrote: On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 4:19 AM, David Haslam wrote: Something to ponder for the future then, maybe? See �http://crosswire.org/wiki/Talk:Transliteration http://crosswire.org/wiki/Talk:Transliteration Thanks, Chris, for useful comments there. As

Re: [sword-devel] Chinese PinYin, OSIS, SWORD and front-ends

2010-10-19 Thread Matthew Talbert
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 4:19 AM, David Haslam wrote: > > Something to ponder for the future then, maybe? > > See  http://crosswire.org/wiki/Talk:Transliteration > http://crosswire.org/wiki/Talk:Transliteration > > Thanks, Chris, for useful comments there. As Chris says there, it would require ind

Re: [sword-devel] Chinese PinYin, OSIS, SWORD and front-ends

2010-10-19 Thread David Haslam
Something to ponder for the future then, maybe? See http://crosswire.org/wiki/Talk:Transliteration http://crosswire.org/wiki/Talk:Transliteration Thanks, Chris, for useful comments there. David -- View this message in context: http://sword-dev.350566.n4.nabble.com/Chinese-PinYin-OSIS-SWORD-

Re: [sword-devel] Chinese PinYin, OSIS, SWORD and front-ends

2010-10-18 Thread Matthew Talbert
On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 2:19 PM, David Haslam wrote: > > Does anyone know whether the PinYin transliteration of a module can be > indexed and searched? > > e.g. In Xiphos, where transliteration is a module option. At this point, no. ___ sword-devel mai

Re: [sword-devel] Chinese PinYin, OSIS, SWORD and front-ends

2010-10-18 Thread David Haslam
Does anyone know whether the PinYin transliteration of a module can be indexed and searched? e.g. In Xiphos, where transliteration is a module option. David -- View this message in context: http://sword-dev.350566.n4.nabble.com/Chinese-PinYin-OSIS-SWORD-and-front-ends-tp2720727p3000774.html Se

Re: [sword-devel] Chinese PinYin, OSIS, SWORD and front-ends

2010-09-30 Thread Chris Little
Our ICU transliterators include a Pinyin transliterator, allowing the user to switch between Han and Pinyin. It wouldn't be especially difficult to write a filter to put the transliterated text in ruby. The transliterator table is fairly good, I believe, and sometimes looks at context, not jus

Re: [sword-devel] Chinese Pinyin

2010-09-30 Thread Leo So
1 Chinese character could be mapped to many pinyin, depending on its context (I.e. which phrase/word this character is part of). e.g. 樂 could be lè, yuè, yào, luò, liáo. E.g. Try the following link and paste the text of Romans 12:12 在指望中要喜樂,在患難中要忍耐,禱告要恆切。in the first big Chinese text box, and c

Re: [sword-devel] Chinese pinyin

2010-09-30 Thread Matthew Patenaude
> > > Matthew, > > Please use the mobile-devel mailing list for issues relating to the > And-Bible. > > It is much more active in that mailing list than in the general list > sword-devel. > > David > Ah, sorry about that. > This question is first addressed to the experts on OSIS markup, though i

Re: [sword-devel] Chinese PinYin, OSIS, SWORD and front-ends

2010-09-30 Thread Peter von Kaehne
I think the answer to your question is Ruby markup Peter -- Neu: GMX De-Mail - Einfach wie E-Mail, sicher wie ein Brief! Jetzt De-Mail-Adresse reservieren: http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/demail ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org htt

[sword-devel] Chinese PinYin, OSIS, SWORD and front-ends

2010-09-30 Thread David Haslam
This question is first addressed to the experts on OSIS markup, though it will also be of interest to front-end & SWORD/JSword developers. Suppose we had a Chinese Bible module and wanted to include inline http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pin_Yin Pinyin pronunciation markup for every ideogram, as a