Re: [Sursound] Domestic Concert Hall

2012-07-09 Thread Ronald C.F. Antony
On 8 Jul 2012, at 13:10, Daniel Courville wrote: > AFAIK, there's no HOA IRs out there. As Fons said, you can > upsample/upmix/uporder 1st order B-Format IRs with Harpex-B, but, even > then, there's not many B-Format IRs around. Apple's Logic's SpaceDesigner reverb used to come with a bunch of B

[Sursound] higher order ambisonics

2012-07-09 Thread Jörn Nettingsmeier
hi! mr gregory pallone just brought the mpeg-h workshop to the attention of the sursound mailing list: On 07/06/2012 01:33 AM, gregory.pall...@orange.com wrote: Hello, I'm new to this group (even if my colleague Jerome (Daniel) shares sometimes info about it) so I hope you will excuse my usa

Re: [Sursound] higher order ambisonics over 8 to 10 loudspeakers

2012-07-09 Thread Garth Paine
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Re: [Sursound] higher order ambisonics over 8 to 10 loudspeakers

2012-07-09 Thread Jörn Nettingsmeier
On 07/09/2012 01:17 PM, Garth Paine wrote: Hi everyone I have been gathering lots of ambient field recordings in A-Format for a few years using my SPS200 Soundfiled mike and a 788T. I have experimented with playback over an 8 channel circle, and also with 3 circles of 8 at different heights (ro

Re: [Sursound] higher order ambisonics over 8 to 10 loudspeakers

2012-07-09 Thread Augustine Leudar
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Re: [Sursound] higher order ambisonics over 8 to 10 loudspeakers

2012-07-09 Thread Augustine Leudar
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Re: [Sursound] higher order ambisonics over 8 to 10 loudspeakers

2012-07-09 Thread Garth Paine
Thanks for that feedback - I have HARPEX, but did not realise it does third-order horizontal? One drawback with Harpex is it does not do height Cheers Garth http://www.activatedspace.com http://www.syncsonics.com On 09/07/2012, at 9:27 PM, Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote: > On 07/09/2012 01:17 PM

Re: [Sursound] higher order ambisonics over 8 to 10 loudspeakers

2012-07-09 Thread Jörn Nettingsmeier
On 07/09/2012 01:57 PM, Garth Paine wrote: Thanks for that feedback - I have HARPEX, but did not realise it does third-order horizontal? One drawback with Harpex is it does not do height you could do HARPEX on the 8 horizontal speakers, then take two virtual microphones, aim them into the up

Re: [Sursound] higher order ambisonics over 8 to 10 loudspeakers

2012-07-09 Thread Jörn Nettingsmeier
On 07/09/2012 01:32 PM, Augustine Leudar wrote: that is for 3d by the way but not sure ... anyone ? there are no hard upper limits. the absolute lower limit is (N+1)². in horizontal layouts, i find 8 too much for first order, and 12 too much for third order. the issue is that additional

Re: [Sursound] Domestic Concert Hall

2012-07-09 Thread umashankar manthravadi
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Re: [Sursound] higher order ambisonics over 8 to 10 loudspeakers

2012-07-09 Thread GP
Thank for all this guidance. If the min is (N+1)². Surely for 3rd order that is (3+1)² = 16 speakers? This is what has been confusing me as I see reports of third order over 8 speakers which seems to go against the rules. Cheers Garth Sent on the Move On 09/07/2012, at 22:07, Jörn Netting

Re: [Sursound] higher order ambisonics over 8 to 10 loudspeakers

2012-07-09 Thread GP
I did wonder about using Daniel Courville's plugins to do decoding for the height info separate to HARPEX. The HARPEX decoding does sound good ( how can I confirm it is 3rd order over 8 speakers?) and so if I could add height using another approach that would be good. I need to look at how to ge

Re: [Sursound] higher order ambisonics over 8 to 10 loudspeakers

2012-07-09 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Mon, Jul 09, 2012 at 11:13:04PM +1000, GP wrote: > If the min is (N+1)². > Surely for 3rd order that is > (3+1)² = 16 speakers? The minimum is (M + 1)^2 for 3D, and (2 * M) + 1 for 2D, but - You better use at least on more, - For 3D, the minimum is 8, even for first order. That is because

Re: [Sursound] higher order ambisonics over 8 to 10 loudspeakers

2012-07-09 Thread Michael Chapman
> Thank for all this guidance. > > If the min is (N+1)². > Surely for 3rd order that is > (3+1)² = 16 speakers? > > This is what has been confusing me as I see reports of third order over 8 > speakers which seems to go against the rules. > > Cheers Garth Eight 'is' a cube, the classic first order

Re: [Sursound] higher order ambisonics over 8 to 10 loudspeakers

2012-07-09 Thread Richard Furse
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Re: [Sursound] higher order ambisonics over 8 to 10 loudspeakers

2012-07-09 Thread Dave Malham
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Re: [Sursound] Domestic Concert Hall

2012-07-09 Thread Simon Edmonds
I successfully used b-format impulse responses from York Uni's OpenAir library in my 12 speaker cube array at the end of June. This was for an assessment for my MA in Creative Music Practice at University of Wales Newport. The IR from York Minster was spectacular and gave a solidly 3D impressio

Re: [Sursound] Domestic Concert Hall

2012-07-09 Thread ThomasChen
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Re: [Sursound] higher order ambisonics over 8 to 10 loudspeakers

2012-07-09 Thread Daniel Courville
Le 2012-07-09 09:17, GP a écrit : >I did wonder about using Daniel Courville's plugins to do decoding for >the height info separate to HARPEX. The HARPEX decoding does sound good ( >how can I confirm it is 3rd order over 8 speakers?) and so if I could add >height using another approach that would

Re: [Sursound] higher order ambisonics over 8 to 10 loudspeakers

2012-07-09 Thread Eric Benjamin
Fons Adriaensen wrote: > for anything based on energy> vectors the angle between the speakers can't be >too big. Is there a good reference for that important point? Eric - Original Message From: Fons Adriaensen To: sursound@music.vt.edu Sent: Mon, July 9, 2012 6:48:40 AM Subject: R

Re: [Sursound] Waveplayer - 16 chnl SD-card audio device

2012-07-09 Thread Marc Lavallée
Dave, It's possible to skip the A/D conversion by using amplifiers with digital inputs. Texas Instruments have a 8 channels digital to PWM converter that can drive D-class amps with PWM inputs; that means only one A/D conversion, done by the speaker... http://www.ti.com/product/TAS5508C Marc

Re: [Sursound] Waveplayer - 16 chnl SD-card audio device

2012-07-09 Thread Marc Lavallée
I meant: "one D/A conversion" I wrote: > It's possible to skip the A/D conversion by using amplifiers with > digital inputs. Texas Instruments have a 8 channels digital to PWM > converter that can drive D-class amps with PWM inputs; that means only > one A/D conversion, done by the speaker... >

[Sursound] Analogue Ambisonic Decoders

2012-07-09 Thread Martin Leese
Gerald Wilson > Just checking: > > I assume no-one is manufacturing such devices anymore? Meridian currently include Ambisonic decoding in their surround sound boxes. (Although whether these are analogue comes down to definitions.) I am not familiar with Meridian's current offerings, and when I