Re: [SAtalk] German Locali[sz]ation

2002-04-14 Thread Jesus Climent
On Sat, Apr 13, 2002 at 07:19:56PM +0200, Hans-Dieter Stich wrote: > > hi there, > > if anyone is interested, I have attached my german > translation of the SpamAssassin messages. > > there are some body test messages missing, I will add them > asap. > Done. Please, check it out and diff it a

[SAtalk] SA died sometime this morning

2002-04-14 Thread Sean Rima
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Sometime around 3am SA died on me. I use the current CVS version. I cannot say why SA has such a short life as there are no error messages in the syslog or the mail log file. If anyone knows of a way of tracking SA so that I can catch whatever stoppe

Re: [SAtalk] German Locali[sz]ation

2002-04-14 Thread Sean Rima
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, 14 Apr 2002, Jesus Climent stated: >> >> if anyone is interested, I have attached my german >> translation of the SpamAssassin messages. >> >> there are some body test messages missing, I will add them >> asap. >> > > Done. Please, check

[SAtalk] Ignoring MAILER-DAEMON messages

2002-04-14 Thread Sean Rima
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Okay, here is a good one, I sent out a couple of spam reports this morning using Richochet. 2 of the messages were bounced and returned via [EMAIL PROTECTED] which is whitelisted. However both the return messages ended up in my spam directory :) Is

[SAtalk] Installing SpamAssassin 2.1.1 on AIX

2002-04-14 Thread Michael H. Martel
Hello! I'm trying to compile Spamassassin 2.1.1 on an AIX 4.3.3.0 box and get this message : cc -D_ALL_SOURCE -D_ANSI_C_SOURCE -D_POSIX_SOURCE -qmaxmem=16384 -I/usr/local/include -q32 -D_LARGE_FILES -qlonglong -O spamd/spamc.c \ -o spamd/spamc -L/usr/local/lib -b32 -lbind -lns

Re: [SAtalk] Installing SpamAssassin 2.1.1 on AIX

2002-04-14 Thread Craig R Hughes
Michael H. Martel wrote: MHM> I'm trying to compile Spamassassin 2.1.1 on an AIX 4.3.3.0 box and get this MHM> message : MHM> MHM> "spamd/spamc.c", line 60.32: 1506-045 (S) Undeclared identifier EX__MAX. Sounds like AIX needs to be added to the list of OSes which don't define this. Any idea

[SAtalk] Suggested Makefile.PL patch

2002-04-14 Thread Bart Schaefer
I've been trying to think how to correctly relocate $(LOCAL_RULES_DIR) relative to $(PREFIX) when building SA. The problem of course being that in the "normal" case, /etc is not relative to $Config{prefix}, which is the default value of $(PREFIX). This is particularly important when a non-root u

Re: [SAtalk] Suggested Makefile.PL patch

2002-04-14 Thread Rob McMillin
Bart Schaefer wrote: >I've been trying to think how to correctly relocate $(LOCAL_RULES_DIR) >relative to $(PREFIX) when building SA. The problem of course being that >in the "normal" case, /etc is not relative to $Config{prefix}, which is >the default value of $(PREFIX). This is particularly i

Re: [SAtalk] Suggested Makefile.PL patch

2002-04-14 Thread Bart Schaefer
On Sun, 14 Apr 2002, Rob McMillin wrote: > I would say that it should be called ROOT rather than PREFIX, but yes, PREFIX is the standard Makefile.PL name for this; SA can't change it without breaking CPAN compatibility, etc. This is orthogonal to stuff that would have to go in the .spec file

Re: [SAtalk] Suggested Makefile.PL patch

2002-04-14 Thread Rob McMillin
Bart Schaefer wrote: >>Why should it be necessary to be root in order to build an RPM?) >> > >No ... in fact, to build an RPM with the buildroot different from the >target install tree, you'd have more success as a non-root user. Right >now, installing NEVER puts local.cf anywhere but /etc/mail/

Re: [SAtalk] Suggested Makefile.PL patch

2002-04-14 Thread Duncan Findlay
On Sun, Apr 14, 2002 at 12:21:35PM -0700, Bart Schaefer wrote: > I've been trying to think how to correctly relocate $(LOCAL_RULES_DIR) > relative to $(PREFIX) when building SA. The problem of course being that > in the "normal" case, /etc is not relative to $Config{prefix}, which is > the defaul

Re: [SAtalk] Suggested Makefile.PL patch

2002-04-14 Thread Bart Schaefer
On Sun, 14 Apr 2002, Rob McMillin wrote: > >No ... in fact, to build an RPM with the buildroot different from the > >target install tree, you'd have more success as a non-root user. Right > >now, installing NEVER puts local.cf anywhere but /etc/mail/spamassassin > > > That's not my experience --

Re: [SAtalk] Suggested Makefile.PL patch

2002-04-14 Thread Rob McMillin
Duncan Findlay wrote: >On Sun, Apr 14, 2002 at 12:21:35PM -0700, Bart Schaefer wrote: > >>I've been trying to think how to correctly relocate $(LOCAL_RULES_DIR) >>relative to $(PREFIX) when building SA. The problem of course being that >>in the "normal" case, /etc is not relative to $Config{pref

Re: [SAtalk] Suggested Makefile.PL patch

2002-04-14 Thread Bart Schaefer
On Sun, 14 Apr 2002, Duncan Findlay wrote: > Configuration files should ALWAYS be under /etc/. Failure to do so is a > violation of the FHS (Filesystem Hierarchy Standard). I'd love to agree with you, but what's /usr/local/etc for, then? What about e.g. Apache with /usr/local/conf/? Configurat

Re: [SAtalk] Suggested Makefile.PL patch

2002-04-14 Thread Richie Laager
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday 14 April 2002 17:54 pm, Bart Schaefer wrote: > On Sun, 14 Apr 2002, Duncan Findlay wrote: > > Configuration files should ALWAYS be under /etc/. Failure > > to do so is a violation of the FHS (Filesystem Hierarchy > > Standard). > > I'd love

Re: [SAtalk] Suggested Makefile.PL patch

2002-04-14 Thread Bart Schaefer
On Sun, 14 Apr 2002, Richie Laager wrote: > From: http://www.pathname.com/fhs/2.2/fhs-3.1.html > > The root filesystem contains many system-specific > configuration files. ... > [...] > > So, /usr/local/etc doesn't exist after a default install. > Okay, so let's create it. There's no restric

Re: [SAtalk] Suggested Makefile.PL patch

2002-04-14 Thread Duncan Findlay
On Sun, Apr 14, 2002 at 03:11:00PM -0700, Rob McMillin wrote: > >No. That is an awful idea. > >Configuration files should ALWAYS be under /etc/. Failure to do so is a > >violation of the FHS (Filesystem Hierarchy Standard). > > > But I would say the point here is not to violate it but to permit RP

Re: [SAtalk] Suggested Makefile.PL patch

2002-04-14 Thread Duncan Findlay
On Sun, Apr 14, 2002 at 03:54:03PM -0700, Bart Schaefer wrote: > On Sun, 14 Apr 2002, Duncan Findlay wrote: > > > Configuration files should ALWAYS be under /etc/. Failure to do so is a > > violation of the FHS (Filesystem Hierarchy Standard). > > I'd love to agree with you, but what's /usr/loca

Re: [SAtalk] Suggested Makefile.PL patch

2002-04-14 Thread dman
On Sun, Apr 14, 2002 at 03:54:03PM -0700, Bart Schaefer wrote: | On Sun, 14 Apr 2002, Duncan Findlay wrote: | | > Configuration files should ALWAYS be under /etc/. Failure to do so is a | > violation of the FHS (Filesystem Hierarchy Standard). | | I'd love to agree with you, but what's /usr/loca

Re: [SAtalk] Suggested Makefile.PL patch

2002-04-14 Thread Bart Schaefer
On Sun, 14 Apr 2002, Duncan Findlay wrote: > > Configuration files for standard system software should always be under > > /etc/. The question is whether it should be possible to install SA as > > something other than "standard system software." > > Define 'standard system software.' This is b

Re: [SAtalk] Suggested Makefile.PL patch

2002-04-14 Thread Bart Schaefer
On Sun, 14 Apr 2002, dman wrote: > $(PREFIX) should normally be '' (or '/' if paths are properly > normalized after expansion). You're thinking of GNU autoconf. SA uses Perl's ExtUtils::MakeMaker. MakeMaker does not define $(PREFIX) that way. MakeMaker defines $(PREFIX) as (by default) $Conf

Re: [SAtalk] Suggested Makefile.PL patch

2002-04-14 Thread dman
On Sun, Apr 14, 2002 at 05:32:38PM -0700, Bart Schaefer wrote: | On Sun, 14 Apr 2002, dman wrote: | | > $(PREFIX) should normally be '' (or '/' if paths are properly | > normalized after expansion). | | You're thinking of GNU autoconf. That's where most of my experience lies, and it seems nicel

Re: [SAtalk] Suggested Makefile.PL patch

2002-04-14 Thread Bart Schaefer
On Sun, 14 Apr 2002, dman wrote: > | MakeMaker does not define $(PREFIX) that way. MakeMaker defines > | $(PREFIX) as (by default) $Config{prefix} from Perl's Config module. > | That is normally /usr or /usr/local, not /, and Makefiles generated > | with MakeMaker install into $(PREFIX)/bin $(

Re: [SAtalk] Suggested Makefile.PL patch

2002-04-14 Thread Duncan Findlay
On Sun, Apr 14, 2002 at 07:31:23PM -0500, dman wrote: > | The question is whether it should be possible to install SA as > | something other than "standard system software." > > Right. I like the approach of > $ ./configure --prefix=$HOME > $ make > $ make install > > (for systems o

Re: [SAtalk] Suggested Makefile.PL patch

2002-04-14 Thread Duncan Findlay
On Sun, Apr 14, 2002 at 06:56:08PM -0700, Bart Schaefer wrote: > On Sun, 14 Apr 2002, dman wrote: > > > | MakeMaker does not define $(PREFIX) that way. MakeMaker defines > > | $(PREFIX) as (by default) $Config{prefix} from Perl's Config module. > > | That is normally /usr or /usr/local, not /,

Re: [SAtalk] Suggested Makefile.PL patch

2002-04-14 Thread Rob McMillin
Duncan Findlay wrote: >I don't know anything about RPM's (other than that they are far inferior to >.deb's). > >Debian's packages are installed with: >make install PREFIX="/some/local/dir/usr" >So, config files go in /some/local/dir/etc. (With LOCAL_RULES_DIR set to >'$(PREFIX)../etc/mail') > >Cl