Re: OT: [SAtalk] Only 1.3 score by spamassassin

2003-07-03 Thread Kai Schaetzl
David B Funk wrote on Wed, 2 Jul 2003 18:30:19 -0500 (CDT): > So you see that the simple-minded sed stripping won't work here. > Only solution would be to define a set of tags where we just strip the contents as well. Kai -- Kai Schätzl, Berlin, Germany Get your web at Conactive Internet Se

Re: OT: [SAtalk] Only 1.3 score by spamassassin

2003-07-03 Thread Daniel Quinlan
Bart Schaefer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > One thing I'm not clear on is whether any tests look at intermediate > stages of decoding. That is, if a message has a base64'd HTML body, I > think "rawbody" sees the base64 and "body" sees the rendered content, > but nothing sees the un-rendered HTML.

Re: RE: [SAtalk] Only 1.3 score by spamassassin

2003-07-02 Thread Alain Fauconnet
On Wed, Jul 02, 2003 at 08:15:59AM -0500, Thomas Cameron wrote: > - Original Message - > From: "Bill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 7:47 AM > Subject: OT: RE: [SAtalk] Only 1.3 score by spamassassin > > > > What I dont u

Re: OT: RE: [SAtalk] Only 1.3 score by spamassassin

2003-07-02 Thread Daniel Quinlan
"Bill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > What I dont understand is why you guys dont just pass html messages > thru the rendering core of Mozilla and extract the text as the > viewer would see. This would eliminate all the attempts to obscure > the message. And any message with screwed up text after

Re: OT: [SAtalk] Only 1.3 score by spamassassin

2003-07-02 Thread David B Funk
On Wed, 2 Jul 2003, Jim Ford wrote: > On Wed, Jul 02, 2003 at 10:31:30PM +0200, Kai Schaetzl wrote: > > > no "extra". There is no difference in text/plain or HTML text advertising, so > > why should one try to to match in mixed text and markup? I think this has also > > been discussed here some we

Re: OT: [SAtalk] Only 1.3 score by spamassassin

2003-07-02 Thread Justin Mason
Jim Ford writes: > On Wed, Jul 02, 2003 at 10:31:30PM +0200, Kai Schaetzl wrote: > > > no "extra". There is no difference in text/plain or HTML text advertising, so > > why should one try to to match in mixed text and markup? I think this has also > > been discussed here some weeks ago. Don't r

Re: OT: [SAtalk] Only 1.3 score by spamassassin

2003-07-02 Thread Bart Schaefer
On Wed, 2 Jul 2003, Jim Ford wrote: > If spam with eg 'penis enlargement' is > slipping through as has previously been mentioned No, spam in that format is not what has previously been mentioned. The format that has been mentioned is pengarbageis which I speculate SA is translating to "pengar

Re: OT: [SAtalk] Only 1.3 score by spamassassin

2003-07-02 Thread Jim Ford
On Wed, Jul 02, 2003 at 10:31:30PM +0200, Kai Schaetzl wrote: > no "extra". There is no difference in text/plain or HTML text advertising, so > why should one try to to match in mixed text and markup? I think this has also > been discussed here some weeks ago. Don't remember the outcome or if it

Re: OT: [SAtalk] Only 1.3 score by spamassassin

2003-07-02 Thread Bart Schaefer
(Is this still "OT"?) On Wed, 2 Jul 2003, Kai Schaetzl wrote: > > The only way to extract the text as the viewer would see it is to use > > the renderer of the viewer's mail client [impossible, given that SA > > generally runs before the message is even delivered] > > Well, I think one can do th

Re: OT: [SAtalk] Only 1.3 score by spamassassin

2003-07-02 Thread Kai Schaetzl
Jim Ford wrote on Wed, 2 Jul 2003 20:02:18 +0100: > > 1. just ignore all extra markup or seemingly markup, so that you just get > > the text > > It'd be easy enough to strip out nonsense like , wouldn't it? > Think so. I just notice that my wording was somewhat ambiguous, I wanted to say: > j

Re: OT: [SAtalk] Only 1.3 score by spamassassin

2003-07-02 Thread Jim Ford
On Wed, Jul 02, 2003 at 07:31:30PM +0200, Kai Schaetzl wrote: > 1. just ignore all extra markup or seemingly markup, so that you just get > the text It'd be easy enough to strip out nonsense like , wouldn't it? I would have thought it could be done by sed in .procmailrc. If spam using such measu

Re: RE: [SAtalk] Only 1.3 score by spamassassin

2003-07-02 Thread Thomas Cameron
- Original Message - From: "Bill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 7:47 AM Subject: OT: RE: [SAtalk] Only 1.3 score by spamassassin > What I dont understand is why you guys dont just pass html messages thru the > r

Re: OT: [SAtalk] Only 1.3 score by spamassassin

2003-07-02 Thread Kai Schaetzl
Bart Schaefer wrote on Wed, 2 Jul 2003 08:55:34 -0700 (PDT): > Possibly because Mozilla isn't written in Perl? > > Possibly because SA already has its own HTML renderer through which the > messages are passed? And possibly because Mozilla libaries are not necessarily installed on mail machines?

Re: OT: RE: [SAtalk] Only 1.3 score by spamassassin

2003-07-02 Thread Bart Schaefer
On Wed, 2 Jul 2003, Bill wrote: > What I dont understand is why you guys dont just pass html messages thru > the rendering core of Mozilla Possibly because Mozilla isn't written in Perl? Possibly because SA already has its own HTML renderer through which the messages are passed? > and extract t

OT: RE: [SAtalk] Only 1.3 score by spamassassin

2003-07-02 Thread Bill
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Subject: Re: [SAtalk] Only 1.3 score by spamassassin > > > On Wed, Jul 02, 2003 at 10:42:00AM +0300, Jan Elmqvist Nielsen wrote: > >> How did this mail only get 1.3 by spamassassin? >> >> I am using mailscanner 4.21-9 and spama

Re: [SAtalk] Only 1.3 score by spamassassin

2003-07-02 Thread Hannu Liljemark
On Wed, Jul 02, 2003 at 10:42:00AM +0300, Jan Elmqvist Nielsen wrote: > How did this mail only get 1.3 by spamassassin? > > I am using mailscanner 4.21-9 and spamassassin 2.55 Are you letting MailScanner do DNSBL/RBL lookups or SpamAssasssin? Here with spamc/spamd 2.55 via postfix the mail scor

[SAtalk] Only 1.3 score by spamassassin

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