[8139too]
crc32 1764 1 [8139too]
ide-scsi9936 0
ide-cd 33896 0
scanner11632 0
so, if anyone has any advice, that'd be great.
if this email is too much, please tell me, and i can abbreviate the problem.
thanks a lot,
noah
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Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 23:27:16 -0500
From: noah
To: Frank Zago
Subject: Re: [sane-devel] losing hair and sleep over this
i've tried kernels 2.5.33, 2.5.44, and 2.4.19. this output was from 2.4.19. i'm
using an athlon chip.
i am definitely using a via chipset though. uhci seems the only option. plus my
usb keyboard + mouse work fine.
> You could switch it to use the sb-uhci module. If you use the kernel from your
> distribution, it should be available.
> You can as root change it in /etc/modules.conf. It should list this now:
> alias usb-interface0 uhci
>
> You can change it to:
> alias usb-interface0 usb-uhci
>
> After a reb
= 1
all the threads i've ever found on the web concerning people who had similar
end rather dubiously with things like, "good luck," "see if that works," or "i
can't think of anything else," with no reply from the original poster.
spooky,
noah
ps: another
anyone? this can't be a lost cause.
could it be my distro? i don't really see how it could be if i used different
versions of sane and the kernel. those are the only things that would affect
this, no?
noah
that, based on the assumption that that's the
most likely device for the scanner to latch onto.
> Some of us have to work during the day ...
(sorry about that)
thanks,
noah
On Tue, 29 Oct 2002 16:55:12 -0500
Karl Heinz Kremer wrote:
> Even if yo change the kernel and Sane, stuff like
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i had the new version, and the new version exclusively, on my system and it
didn't work.
i did remove it when i installed 1
yes. the ls looks like this:
crw-rw-rw- 1 magikeye root 180,48 Aug 30 19:31 scanner0
magikeye is my username
On Tue, 29 Oct 2002 18:51:33 -0500
Karl Heinz Kremer wrote:
> Do you have read and write access to the device file /dev/usb/scanner0 ?
>
i guess i could go back to 7.3, or something.
On Tue, 29 Oct 2002 20:45:02 -0500
Karl Heinz Kremer wrote:
> I am downloading RH 8.0. Hope this helps to figure out what's going on.
>
imited to pacman and artificially "intelligent" othello) for it, but
that's the scoop. in terms of my personal kernel compilation i'm pretty sure i
had all the necesarry modules et c.
thanks a lot,
noah
On Wed, 30 Oct 2002 19:51:27 -0500
Karl Heinz Kremer wrote:
> Also, remove t
, the scanner DOES start
working, and scans a partial low-res image before hanging. I know this behavior
has been reported before, by Henrik Rintala.
I can provide a debug log if anyone's interested... I'd love to be able to get
this working (printing to a Canoscan 650).
thanks!
--
Noa
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attached is a perl script i wrote, it only wo
the problem is our SANE 1 standard, which defines the image format.
We have currently only the possibility to pass RGB data to a frontend.
The solution (whenever we can start) is SANE 2 where we have a more
flexible
approach for transmitting image data to a frontend.
> On Feb 22 09:16 m. allan noah wrote (shortened):
>> i would like to see a few things done in the sane2 standard:
> ...
>> 3. more consistent config file interface for all backends
>
> I would appreciate this very much.
>
> At the moment all what the Suse scanner co
>>> i would like to see a few things done in the sane2 standard:
>>> 3. more consistent config file interface for all backends
>>
>> I would appreciate this very much.
>>
>> At the moment all what the Suse scanner config tool does is:
>> a) show a list of model names made from the *.desc files
>>
t;
> Johannes Meixner wrote:
>> Hello all,
>>
>> hello Till,
>> I don't know if you followed the "Infrared channel" thread.
>> Now I include you explicitely because I think we have come
>> to a point where I would like to have you informed.
&g
most respectfully oliver, i disagree. perhaps your points about scanner
damage, etc are true in your backend because of models of scanners that
you support, but for my backend, it is far more likely that there is an
odd variation on the scanner that the backend does not know about, but
works ju
On Wed, 23 Feb 2005, Oliver Rauch wrote:
> Am Mit, 2005-02-23 um 20.59 schrieb m. allan noah:
>> most respectfully oliver, i disagree. perhaps your points about scanner
>> damage, etc are true in your backend because of models of scanners that
>> you support, but for my ba
On Thu, 24 Feb 2005, Julien BLACHE wrote:
> Johannes Meixner wrote:
>
>>> I think it is constructive to say that some of the existing config
>>> files are of no use today, and could be removed without any problem.
>>
>> Of course!
>> I fully agree to get rid of stuff which is in fact not needed.
On Thu, 24 Feb 2005, Julien BLACHE wrote:
> "m. allan noah" wrote:
>
>> let me ask this: how many of the config files that must be kept are
>> kept because they have scanner-specific information in them, as
>> opposed to backend-specific information?
>>
&g
On Thu, 24 Feb 2005, Oliver Rauch wrote:
> Hello.
>
> I think there will be a possibility that the backend finds out what
> scanner model talks to in almost all cases. Of course it is hard work to
> find out what registers behave different to identify the models. But I
> am pretty sure that in mos
On Thu, 24 Feb 2005, Julien BLACHE wrote:
> "m. allan noah" wrote:
>
>>> Don't you think that at least item 1 and 2 can be detected by the
>>> backend ?
>>
>> yes for #1, no for #2 and #3. since some times the same 'model' is
>&
the problem with this is that doing the config as non-root would mean the
backend would need elevated permissions in order to write its config out
into /etc/...
if the user is willing to run the front-end the first time as root, and
then the backend saves the config changes, that might be ok. o
On Fri, 25 Feb 2005, Johannes Meixner wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> On Feb 25 09:16 m. allan noah wrote (shortened):
>> the problem with this is that doing the config as non-root would mean the
>> backend would need elevated permissions in order to write its config out into
>&
On Fri, 25 Feb 2005, Johannes Meixner wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> On Feb 25 09:52 m. allan noah wrote (shortened):
>> i think we want to hide the config file concept from the user
>> if possible, rather than require someone to change the perms.
>
> It is not required t
>> ... i personally dont have much problem with users being able
>> to plug scanner into machine and make it
>> work without root permissions ...
>
> Admins don't like it when normal users can plug in whatever
> hardware and make it work.
> Admins want to be able to define what the normal users are
there has been much discussion in the past, but everyone seems too busy to
actually get anything in writing. search the archives of the sane mailing
list, there where several threads about it in the earlier part of this
year, IIRC.
basically:
front end polling a backend via asking for updates
try searching the archives of this mailing list. this comes up every few
months.
allan
On Tue, 26 Oct 2004, Gian Paolo Mureddu wrote:
> he...@pfinders.com wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I would like to buy a nice high end scanner that is supported
>> that has a document feeder. Any suggestions? Any exp
umm, install a compiler package for your os? if you have one, and
comfigure could not find it, then you either need to change your path. you
might also need to see the CC= environment var if your compiler has a
funny name.
allan
On Thu, 28 Oct 2004, Bensel wrote:
> We are trying to get a Memo
i have not gotten my hands on one of these to try, and i dont currently
have any documentation for it. i assume by its external appearance that it
may share some with the 4120c, but i would not be surprised to find that
it is very different chipset, since it is usb 2.0 IIRC. most fujitsu scsi
s
no on both questions i think. there is a scsi command to set a timer on
the lamp, but the backend does not send this command. should not be too
hard to add.
i have not investigated auto paper sizing, but it seems that it would only
work for width, and would involve perhaps taking a single scanl
On Wed, 17 Nov 2004, Mattias Kregert wrote:
> Oliver Schirrmeister wrote:
>>
>> There is an option 'sleeptimer'. I think it's the time in minutes(?) until
>> the
>> lamp is turned off. I've not tried it with the 4120.
>>
>
> Ok, i tried it, and as far as I can see this option doesn't do anything
dude, you need to buy a book on linux. there is no module called sg0 or
sg1, etc. there is a module called just sg
i am running FC2, kernel 2.6.8-1.521 and there already is a module for
your scsi card:
find /lib/modules/2.6.8-1.521/ | grep aha
/lib/modules/2.6.8-1.521/kernel/drivers/scsi/aha154
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On Wed, 1 De
rich, there has been a bit of discussion about how to handle buttons on
scanners, though MFD's may be different if they use a separate usb
interface for each function. Search the archives of this list for more
detail.
but i wonder, if the button issue was solved, how would your system know
whi
On Thu, 23 Dec 2004, Rich Duzenbury wrote:
> On Thu, 2004-12-23 at 09:52 -0500, m. allan noah wrote:
>> rich, there has been a bit of discussion about how to handle buttons on
>> scanners, though MFD's may be different if they use a separate usb
>> interface for each fun
simon, i guess you could say that i am maintaining the fujitsu backend,
along with oliver s. i have seen the timeouts that you have reported, and
find that they seem to have two root causes:
1. linux kernel doing something weird with the data0/1 usb toggle,
2. the firmware on the scanner gets co
try doing exactly what he told you :)
SANE_DEBUG_COOLSCAN2=255 scanimage -L
allan
On Tue, 17 May 2005, john wrote:
> I looked at sg0 & sg1 and all they contain is cdwriter nothing else. And "sane
> debug coolscan2=255 scanimage -L" bash says command not found.
>
> On Tuesday 17 May 2005 02:04 a
jon, are you using caps on the SANE_DEBUG_COOLSCAN2 and the -L?
cut and paste the command.
allan
On Tue, 17 May 2005, john wrote:
> I looked at /dev/sg* and found nothing relating to the scanner there.
> Otherwise the permissions there were okay.
> Here is the output:
>
> [john@ip68-11-45-233 j
steven, do you have a trace of the windows operation of the device? if not
get one using benoit's usbsniffer, and see if the RSS data block is not
read from the other endpoint, and perhaps that is why you get nothing...
allan
On Sat, 21 May 2005, Steven Palm wrote:
> OK, although I will need t
steven, i see this exact problem with certain fujitsu scanners. the
difficulty is that USB uses a 0/1 toggling bit during the data transmit
phase. when libusb closes the device, the device should reset the toggle
back to 0, the kernel does. subsequent transmissions should start with
toggle set
On Tue, 24 May 2005, stef wrote:
> On Tue, May 24, 2005 at 01:18:59PM +0200, stef wrote:
>> On Mon, May 23, 2005 at 02:52:27PM -0400, m. allan noah wrote:
>>> steven, i see this exact problem with certain fujitsu scanners. the
>>> difficulty is that USB uses a 0/1 t
On Tue, 24 May 2005, Olaf Meeuwissen wrote:
> "m. allan noah" writes:
>
>> steven, i see this exact problem with certain fujitsu scanners.
>
> It also manifests itself with several EPSON scanners as described in
>
> http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermai
e toggle problem.
>
> Kind regards,
> Bertrik Sikken
>
> m. allan noah wrote:
>> steven, i see this exact problem with certain fujitsu scanners. the
>> difficulty is that USB uses a 0/1 toggling bit during the data transmit
>> phase. when libusb closes the device, the d
tyler, myself and oliver schirrmeister are maintaining the fujitsu
backend. the support for the fi series is unfortunately limited, i have
access to the 4x20 units, and oliver has at least touched one of the 5xxx
units. i work on a proprietary app that uses the 4120, and i am currently
re-writi
if it makes you feel any better, there are a dozen people on this list in
the same boat. i dont know of any lawsuits that have occurred so far. in
fact, the opposite might be more likely to be true, as vendors realize the
utility of a package that means they dont have to write drivers for
sever
i only know fujitsu models, so i am sure there are others, but the
fi-4120C2 is pretty fast, and the sane support is ok for binary and
grayscale. scsi support is better than usb, but both work. it would be
better if it had a flat adf instead of the vertical one, it does jam
occasionally. the us
, 20 Apr 2005, Jeff Kowalczyk wrote:
> m. allan noah wrote:
>> i only know fujitsu models, so i am sure there are others, but the
>> fi-4120C2 is pretty fast, and the sane support is ok for binary and
>> grayscale.
>
> Thanks for the reply. The fujitsu models were my l
>
> Or maybe there just aren't any good scanners with ADFs out there?
> That seems unlikely.
>
depends entirely on how much you want to spend. i have been playing with
the fujitsu fi-4120c for awhile. it still has some issues in the sane
drivers that i have not been able to fix, mostly cause the
it says OCR is done by software. this means it is likely able to take a
traditional 'picture' of the document. this part could perhaps work under
sane, if you have enough programming docs, or the ability to reverse
engineer the windows driver.
all the other things it does (reading micr, etc) an
that is nice to hear. i bet you are using SCSI. the 4120C can get a little
flaky on USB. its replacements, the 5110C and the 4120C2 seem much better
in that regard.
however, i have taken bertrik's advice and done some experiments where i
keep throwing commands at the scanner until it responds.
oh, and watch out for some of the cheaper fujitsus, like the fi-4110, it
uses a completely different chipset, and is not supported by the fujitsu
backend. some of the older scsi models use the sp15 or avision backends, i
dont know much about those.
allan
--
"so don't tell us it can't be done,
mohit, perhaps you mean
else {
//now for color
j++;
}
note the braces.
allan
On Mon, 20 Jun 2005, Mohit Kumar wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I have the following piece of code: (kindly ignore the declarations..)
>
> options = sane_get_option_descriptor(handle, index); //index po
try running it under gdb and take a backtrace?
allan
On Mon, 20 Jun 2005, Mohit Kumar wrote:
> Sorry for the confusion Allan. But no its not the case. Rather it is
> the following:
>
> else
> {
> //now for color
>}
>j++;
>
> Thanks,
> Mo
>> -
>> Automatic Length Detection
>> The 4097D automatically detects the end of a document as it passes
>> through
>> the paper path. Perfect for eliminating the extra white space when
>> scanning mixed length batches of documents.
>> -
>>
>> By the way, this is a nice scan
>>> The problem is, the backend gives an "Invalid Option?" message that
>> prevents
>>> it from scanning when turning that feature on.
>>>
>>> I can send more verbose output if anyone is interested.
>>>
>>> Tyler.
>>
>> sorry tyler, i have not had a chance to even look at length detection. i
>>
>>
uhm, this is unix.
scanimage --options > file.pnm
allan
On Mon, 27 Jun 2005, David Morse wrote:
> I'm trying to write a script to scan from the scanner and print the
> result to the printer.
>
> "scanimage" looks like the command line way to scan an image.
> Invoking it causes the scanner to sc
try www.nslu2-linux.org
its a pair of replacement linux-based os for a cheap linksys strong-arm
box.
allan
On Mon, 27 Jun 2005, John (yt) Hogenmiller wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I would like to setup a multi-function device (printer/scanner) to
> work off of the network. I'm looking at an Epson Stylus C
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jeff, any fu
gregory-
what fujitsu scanner are you working with? i can get programming specs for
most of their models, and at least for the scsi ones, they are good enough
to make sure the sane driver works. windows dumps are helpful to see
fujitsu's code in action, but actual docs can save alot of time...
scott, not enough data from the debug logs there. with both the endianness
and alignment issues of gcc on the slug, it could be a host of things. can
you try doing some differences in color depth and resolution, and see if
it is truly size based, or rather data size based.
can you verify that y
su is a good address for scanners of this type. There are
> really expensive models but also two ones in the affordable region: the
> Fujitsu 5110C and the 4120C (pricing from 600 to 1000 Dollars). Sane-support
> is basic and as far I can see the maintainer of the backend Allan Noah is
>
it also gets tiring when users want software to move forward and support
more devices and systems, but they dont want to upgrade the software :)
allan
On Thu, 18 Aug 2005 alanco...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> Your libusb is too old. 0.1.8 is minimum, 0.1.10a is
>> current. I'll add
>> that version numb
Aldo- the options for paper size and scanning area are provided by the
'backend' which is a driver that talks to the scanner. scanimage is a
'frontend' which talks to you. try scanimage --help, which will tell the
frontend to list all the options the backend provides.
allan
On Tue, 30 Aug 2005
wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Tue, Aug 30, 2005 at 10:12:56AM -0400, m. allan noah wrote:
>> Aldo- the options for paper size and scanning area are provided by the
>> 'backend' which is a driver that talks to the scanner. scanimage is a
>> 'frontend' which talk
phil- i think you need to look around a bit more. sane support for
machines with ADF exists for many models. not sure about the Avision
820, but i have used the fujitsu sp15c with the avision backend, and
its adf works. look at the options the backend provides using
the command 'scanimage --he
>
> One more question: I used a windows installation and snoopypro to get
> a log of a preview scan - I'm missing the actual data?! Does snoopypro
> not log the actual (image)data transfer?
>
> Thanks for your help!
>
>Daniel
forget snoopypro. use benoit's usbsniffer. search this list for vari
On Mon, 26 Sep 2005, Henning Meier-Geinitz wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Mon, Sep 26, 2005 at 03:36:23PM +0200, Enrico Weigelt wrote:
>> Dont think so. Of course we can assume that these packages only fit
>> together with matching releases.
>>
>> The point is to get them built separately and put them into
>
that microtek usb to scsi adapter is a weird beast. it changes its usb
interface based on whether it was plugged into the device or the host
first. hence, those weird mass-storage devices it makes. try searching
around for reviews of it online, some will surely mention the details.
i wont have
Tom, most of the fujitsu scsi models are resonably well supported, and use
very similar protocols to one another. fujitsu is also pretty good about
giving out documents of the scanner internals. so, if you use one of
theirs, its pretty easy to get them working, at least in a basic form.
many o
if you scan with a higher dpi, there is more data to display. it may be
possible for a front-end to be smart enough to scale the image to fit on
your screen no matter the dpi, but this really has nothing to do with
sane. i know for instance, that gqview has options to do just this...
allan
On
if you just want to scan them, only to resize them, then why not scan them
at a lower res?
wysiwg for size depends entirely on the size of your screen, and what res
you are running at. not a simple thing for sane to work with.
allan
On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 jouth...@dds.nl wrote:
> Well, my point
mmitted a patch to cvs to use makedepend. it
should do this.
> Thanks for the help,
>
its not a good long-term fix, so be prepared to test something more
permanent later...
allan
> On Nov 1, 2005, at 10:53 AM, m. allan noah wrote:
>
>>
>> as a test, could
hat line commented is no worse than it
not working, like it was before :) if you did want to specify the color,
you could not do it til this code is fixed.
allan
> Thanks again.
>
>>
>> allan
>>
>>
>>> On Nov 1, 2005, at 10:53 AM, m. allan noah wrote
On Wed, 2 Nov 2005, Darrell Styner wrote:
>
> On Nov 2, 2005, at 6:48 AM, m. allan noah wrote:
>
>>>> 1. no thats not normal, but it may be caused by lamp warm-up or some
>>>> such. need more debug log info of what is going on during that pause.
>>>&
>> that said, the vertical paper path of these units does leave a bit to be
>> desired, and i have been thinking of looking at some of the panasonic usb
>> units that have the laser-jet like paper path. i cannot comment on their
>> sane support.
>>
>> allan
>
> Thanks for the feedback. I've als
Pierre- i know nothing about your scanner, but the way sane works, the
'dll' backend controls what other, device specific backends get loaded
each time you run a sane front-end program.
try editing the dll.conf file on your box, and # out all the backends you
are not using, and make sure the ba
Should it be due to my installation : I've make and installed the cvs
code
in /usr/local without uninstalling the debian version which is in /usr
>>> In order to use Kooka (KDE scanner prog) I start it from a console with
>>>
>>> LD_PRELOAD=/usr/local/lib/libsane.so kooka
>>
terr- you have too many different issues in one mail, and not enough info
to actually help you. if you want help debugging your problems with the
hp, you will need to give info about its model number, what os or distro
you are using, what version of sane, what changed around the time the
scanne
the slug is a little slow, esp. if there are multiple usb devices using
the bus at the same time. there are also supposedly issues with usb2.0
hubs on the slug, though i dont remember the details. can you try on a
full-sized linux pc?
allan (sane and slug developer)
On Fri, 9 Dec 2005 s...@rs
On Fri, 2 Jan 2004, Jaeger, Gerhard wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Mittwoch, 31. Dezember 2003 18:10, m. allan noah wrote:
> > i am converting the fujitsu backend to use sanei_thread instead of fork.
>
> okay - good ;-)
>
> >
> > in reading the threading code, i fo
depends on the scanner. more expensive models will change the lut the a/d
uses inside the scanner. cheaper models will do this in the backend. which
scanner/backend are you using?
allan
On Tue, 13 Jan 2004, Christopher Marshall wrote:
> I was just curious if specifying a contrast argument to t
my company does something similar to what you describe. we started out
using scanimage called from a perl script to scan individual pages. but,
we needed to monitor the status of various sensors and buttons in the
hardware, which sane does not give access to. so now, we dont use sane,
but for y
as soon as i find a spare minute :)
allan
On Thu, 15 Jan 2004, avv. Giovanni Rocchi wrote:
> Il giorno 15/gen/04, alle 17:19, m. allan noah ha scritto:
>
> > scanner we use is fujitsu fi-4120C it has scsi and usb 1.1 ports
>
> Allan:
> Are you still converting fu
this also is an issue for any other scanners that have buttons, esp. the
adf models. unfortunately, i dont see a good way to handle multiple
scanners, since a frontend would have to load and unload multiple
backends many times per minute to monitor buttons...
what about a simple frontend that f
On Tue, 27 Jan 2004, Bruce Bertrand wrote:
> Till Kamppeter wrote:
>
> > I recommend that you post this on the SANE mailing list
> > (http://www.sane-project.org/), as this is a scanning problem. I am
> > CCing this posting to there.
> >
> > AFAIK noone has written a driver for scanner buttons
On Tue, 27 Jan 2004, Christopher Marshall wrote:
> >
> > not so simple as that. for machines with adf, you will usually have a
> > couple other sensors like paper thickness, input or output hopper
> > empty/full, cover open, lamp warm, etc. if the scanner sends all those as
> > a bitmask in on
On Tue, 27 Jan 2004, Christopher Marshall wrote:
> > you could have a flag to a front-end that told it to load the backend, but
> > instead of scan, constantly check the option descriptor for a button's
> > status. the front-end could print this, or even take a series of command
> > line switch
i have done the first steps of modifying scanadf so that it uses the
stiff.h library and can output tiff files as well as pnm. the problem is
that stiff.h would need to be copied from sane-backends/frontends to
sane-frontends where scanadf lives.
the other option is to move scanadf into sane-ba
On Thu, 9 Oct 2003, Peter Kirchgessner wrote:
> Hi,
>
> the debug log shows lots of times a "read failed. End of file reached".
> Please try the current CVS-version of the hp-backend. I just added a
> retry for that case.
>
> You can also try to get around the USB-scanner module and work direc
On Wed, 15 Oct 2003, Chris Chesney wrote:
> Hello,
>
> First off, I am new to this list (I just subscribed today), but have
> done a few searches without finding anything related to my problem.
>
> I have a Fujitsu 3091 scanner attached via SCSI to a RedHat 9 Compaq
> Laptop. I'm running versio
On Sun, 19 Oct 2003, richard hebert wrote:
> Once i worked out a compile error i got on my
> machine fujitsu backends would not compile.
> so i deleted the reference in the backend Makefile
> and it then compiled.
>
my fault. fixed in cvs now.
allan
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"so don't tell us it can't be done, put
not possible to use png's progressive loading, cause it uses Adam7, which
needs a low-resolution version of the image at the beginning of the file,
followed by multiple (effectively) higher res versions.
if your client is timing out, you could try sending them a redirect to
keep the page refres
On 5 Nov 2003, Andi McLean wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm using
> red-hat 8.0
> sane-backends 1.0.12
> scanimage 1.0.12
> and a M3093GD
>
> Scanning the front of the document works perfectly but if I try to scan
> the back page I get about 38 rows of blank image. If I try full duplex I
> only get the fr
On 7 Nov 2003, Andi McLean wrote:
> On Thu, 2003-11-06 at 08:57, Oliver Schirrmeister wrote:
> > Am Mit, 2003-11-05 um 21.40 schrieb m. allan noah:
> > > On 5 Nov 2003, Andi McLean wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > &g
There are several folks on this list (and cc'd) who have Fujitsu scanners.
Most are SCSI, some are SCSI/USB models. Those trying to use their USB
ports under linux have been seeing strange timeouts, for as long as usb
support has been in the fujitsu backend.
I think i might have found something
perhaps old version of sane, i think this is fixed. try getting the sane
1.0.13 pre-release from the website and install it yourself.
allan
On Fri, 14 Nov 2003, Mattias Kregert wrote:
> Good evening
> I have a kind of weird color problem... maybe someone here have an idea of
> whats causin
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