[sage-devel] Fwd: sage

2007-12-14 Thread William Stein
-- Forwarded message -- From: Mario Natiello < Date: Dec 14, 2007 1:38 AM Subject: sage To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hallo, > If you happen to have just read straight through > this tutorial, and have some sense of how long > it took you, please let me know Hi. I browsed the tutorial i

[sage-devel] chemist rock -- amazing 3d java graphics

2007-12-14 Thread William Stein
Hello, Tachyon3d is a raytracing program that has served Sage very very well for easy-to-produce standalone fast simple 3d raytracing. It was written by a chemist for visualizing molecules, etc. I found a page (http://www.openscience.org/blog/) that recommends Sage, and when scrolling down it n

[sage-devel] Re: Is -7 a prime number?

2007-12-14 Thread John Cremona
I was going to reply when I saw that William had said almost the same as I was going to. I am happy with is_irreducible(-7) being true but is_prime(-7) being false. When we teach the distinction between irreducibles and primes in more general integral domains we define prime elements in terms o

[sage-devel] Re: chemist rock -- amazing 3d java graphics

2007-12-14 Thread Robert Bradshaw
I am extremely impressed! It seems to be specifically optimized for rendering molecules, but I'm going to write an exporter for our 3d shapes as meshes and see how well it does. - Robert On Dec 14, 2007, at 2:28 AM, William Stein wrote: > > Hello, > > Tachyon3d is a raytracing program that

[sage-devel] Re: sage 2.8.15 compilation error with gcc 4.1.2 on Slackware Linux 12.0

2007-12-14 Thread mabshoff
On Dec 13, 6:20 pm, mabshoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED] dortmund.de> wrote: > On Dec 13, 6:05 pm, "John A. Murdie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hello John, > Hello John, I got some feedback from Hans Schöneman of the Singular team. His proposed solution is to change line 127 in Singular/cntrlc.cc fr

[sage-devel] Re: chemist rock -- amazing 3d java graphics

2007-12-14 Thread Ondrej Certik
On Dec 14, 2007 12:30 PM, William Stein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Dec 14, 2007 3:14 AM, Robert Bradshaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I am extremely impressed! It seems to be specifically optimized for > > rendering molecules, but I'm going to write an exporter for our 3d > > shapes as

[sage-devel] Re: Is -7 a prime number?

2007-12-14 Thread William Stein
On Dec 14, 2007 3:13 AM, John Cremona <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I was going to reply when I saw that William had said almost the same > as I was going to. > > I am happy with is_irreducible(-7) being true but is_prime(-7) being > false. When we teach the distinction between irreducibles and

[sage-devel] Re: chemist rock -- amazing 3d java graphics

2007-12-14 Thread mhampton
This seems like some nice documentation on the primitives: http://chemapps.stolaf.edu/jmol/docs/ It does look nice, I thought the vibration demo: http://jmol.sourceforge.net/demo/vibration/ was particularly impressive. On Dec 14, 6:27 am, Robert Bradshaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Dec 14

[sage-devel] Re: chemist rock -- amazing 3d java graphics

2007-12-14 Thread Robert Bradshaw
On Dec 14, 2007, at 3:30 AM, William Stein wrote: > On Dec 14, 2007 3:14 AM, Robert Bradshaw > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> I am extremely impressed! It seems to be specifically optimized for >> rendering molecules, but I'm going to write an exporter for our 3d >> shapes as meshes and see

[sage-devel] Re: Is -7 a prime number?

2007-12-14 Thread Mike Hansen
> I think that distinguishing between is_prime and is_prime_element > is very very confusing.And I agree with John Cremona that > "prime" is not a very useful notation in algebraic number > theory / commutative algebra for *elements* -- it's a great > notion for ideals. While it may not be te

[sage-devel] SAGE-2.9.alpha7 released!

2007-12-14 Thread mabshoff
Hello, This is alpha7, as you can guess alpha6 wasn't really ready for prime time. The main problem were little build oddities and some larger integration issues with ATLAS fixed by Josh Kantor and yours truly. Additionally I merged a bunch of other, non-ATLAS related fixes by William Stein, Robe

[sage-devel] Re: Is -7 a prime number?

2007-12-14 Thread John Cremona
Where in ring theory (outside of number theory) is the notion of a prime element of a ring used? And how might it be implemented in a general (commutative?) ring? John On 14/12/2007, Mike Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I think that distinguishing between is_prime and is_prime_element >

[sage-devel] documenting Python

2007-12-14 Thread Ondrej Certik
Hi, how is the SAGE API reference done? Using docutils? I am looking for some tool for documenting SymPy and so far I tried: epydoc, pygment, pudge, apydia and all fail for sympy producing some error. So I am curious what your experience with such tools are and what is your favourite? The SAG

[sage-devel] Re: sage 2.8.15 compilation error with gcc 4.1.2 on Slackware Linux 12.0

2007-12-14 Thread John A. Murdie
Thank you, Michael; I made the change to the copy of 2.8.15 I'd downloaded here, and that indeed fixes the problem. John A. Murdie --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [

[sage-devel] Re: Is -7 a prime number?

2007-12-14 Thread Mike Hansen
> others where they are not -- and in these other rings the notion > "prime" is just not useful as an attribute for elements, so one goes > over to using it for ideals only. I'm not sure I believe this. > Conclusion: is_prime should be defined for integers, and ideals, but > need not be defined

[sage-devel] Fedora 6 & VMWare compile error

2007-12-14 Thread Robert Manning
I am running Fedora 6 under VMWare. When I compile sage-2.8.15, I receive the following error. Any suggestions? Bob make[2]: Entering directory `/home/manningr/sage-2.8.15/spkg/build/libfplll-2.1.6-20071129/src' Making all in src make[3]: Entering directory `/home/manningr/sage-2.8.15/spkg/

[sage-devel] Re: [sage-newbie] is there any way to copy jsfonts to word ?

2007-12-14 Thread Ted Kosan
Jason wrote: > What about writing an openoffice function that converts an expression to > openoffice equation format? For example, the above output is: > > {cos(1)} over {sin(1)} - {(sin(1)^2 + cos(1)^2) cdot (x-1)} over > {sin(1)^2} + {(cos(1) cdot sin(1)^2 + cos(1)^3) cdot ((x-1)^2)} over > {s

[sage-devel] Re: chemist rock -- amazing 3d java graphics

2007-12-14 Thread William Stein
On Dec 14, 2007 9:43 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > This seems like some nice documentation on the primitives: > > > > http://chemapps.stolaf.edu/jmol/docs/ > > > > It does look nice, I thought the vibration demo: > > > > http://jmol.sourceforge.net/demo/vibration/ > > > > was particula

[sage-devel] Re: "a long, long way to go before it offers serious competition to Matlab."

2007-12-14 Thread Jason Grout
William Stein wrote: > Hi, > > Here is a blog post by somebody that claims "[Sage has] got a long, long > way to go before it offers serious competition to Matlab." > > > http://simoncast.blogspot.com/2007/12/matlab-competitor-how-about-eclipse.html > > -- William > I've been playing the

[sage-devel] Re: "a long, long way to go before it offers serious competition to Matlab."

2007-12-14 Thread Fabio Tonti
Hmm... the author of this post doesn't seem to realize what Sage is about, correct me if I'm wrong!?! Best wishes, Fabio On 12/14/07, William Stein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi, > > Here is a blog post by somebody that claims "[Sage has] got a long, long > way to go before it offers serious

[sage-devel] Re: Is -7 a prime number?

2007-12-14 Thread Robert Miller
On Dec 14, 4:15 am, "John Cremona" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Where in ring theory (outside of number theory) is the notion of a > prime element of a ring used? In basic commutative algebra, e.g. a beginning graduate student is playing around with rings to get a sense of things... It might be m

[sage-devel] Re: chemist rock -- amazing 3d java graphics

2007-12-14 Thread boothby
> > This seems like some nice documentation on the primitives: > > http://chemapps.stolaf.edu/jmol/docs/ > > It does look nice, I thought the vibration demo: > > http://jmol.sourceforge.net/demo/vibration/ > > was particularly impressive. Wow. This is *really* neat. It's even got an option so y

[sage-devel] Re: Fedora 6 & VMWare compile error

2007-12-14 Thread William Stein
On Dec 14, 2007 6:56 AM, Robert Manning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I am running Fedora 6 under VMWare. When I compile sage-2.8.15, I > receive the following error. Any suggestions? What version of gcc is it? I can't build Sage on my Fedora 7 install either because of a documented compiler

[sage-devel] "a long, long way to go before it offers serious competition to Matlab."

2007-12-14 Thread William Stein
Hi, Here is a blog post by somebody that claims "[Sage has] got a long, long way to go before it offers serious competition to Matlab." http://simoncast.blogspot.com/2007/12/matlab-competitor-how-about-eclipse.html -- William -- William Stein Associate Professor of Mathematics University

[sage-devel] Re: Adding JSON capabilities to SAGE

2007-12-14 Thread Ted Kosan
William wrote > > If further testing is successful, I would like to have simpleJSON > > included in SAGE. What procedure do I need to follow in order to make > > an official software addition request? > > (1) Convince us it's a good idea. You basically just did that. > > (2) Create a trac ticket

[sage-devel] Re: [sage-newbie] is there any way to copy jsfonts to word ?

2007-12-14 Thread William Stein
On Dec 14, 2007 9:28 AM, Ted Kosan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Jason wrote: > > > What about writing an openoffice function that converts an expression to > > openoffice equation format? For example, the above output is: > > > > {cos(1)} over {sin(1)} - {(sin(1)^2 + cos(1)^2) cdot (x-1)} over

[sage-devel] Re: documenting Python

2007-12-14 Thread William Stein
On Dec 14, 2007 5:11 AM, Ondrej Certik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi, > > how is the SAGE API reference done? Using docutils? No. It doesn't use docutils. > I am looking for some tool for documenting SymPy and so far I tried: > epydoc, pygment, pudge, apydia and all fail for sympy producin

[sage-devel] Re: "a long, long way to go before it offers serious competition to Matlab."

2007-12-14 Thread mabshoff
On Dec 14, 7:12 pm, "Fabio Tonti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi, > Hmm... the author of this post doesn't seem to realize what Sage is > about, correct me if I'm wrong!?! I am under the impression that the author expected something more like an IDE, which the notebook clearly isn't. Sage can'

[sage-devel] Re: Is -7 a prime number?

2007-12-14 Thread William Stein
On Dec 14, 2007 11:04 AM, Robert Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Dec 14, 4:15 am, "John Cremona" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Where in ring theory (outside of number theory) is the notion of a > > prime element of a ring used? > > In basic commutative algebra, e.g. a beginning graduate

[sage-devel] Re: chemist rock -- amazing 3d java graphics

2007-12-14 Thread Robert Bradshaw
On Dec 14, 2007, at 10:02 AM, William Stein wrote: > On Dec 14, 2007 9:43 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> >>> This seems like some nice documentation on the primitives: >>> >>> http://chemapps.stolaf.edu/jmol/docs/ >>> >>> It does look nice, I thought the vibration demo: >>> >>> http://jmo

[sage-devel] Re: [sage-newbie] is there any way to copy jsfonts to word ?

2007-12-14 Thread William Stein
On Dec 14, 2007 10:50 AM, Jason Grout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > William Stein wrote: > > On Dec 14, 2007 9:28 AM, Ted Kosan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Jason wrote: > >> > >>> What about writing an openoffice function that converts an expression to > >>> openoffice equation format? For

[sage-devel] Re: [sage-newbie] is there any way to copy jsfonts to word ?

2007-12-14 Thread Jason Grout
William Stein wrote: > On Dec 14, 2007 9:28 AM, Ted Kosan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Jason wrote: >> >>> What about writing an openoffice function that converts an expression to >>> openoffice equation format? For example, the above output is: >>> >>> {cos(1)} over {sin(1)} - {(sin(1)^2 + cos(

[sage-devel] Re: [sage-newbie] is there any way to copy jsfonts to word ?

2007-12-14 Thread Ted Kosan
William wrote: > What needs to be done is to write in Python a latex --> open office format > converter, probably with a bunch of regexp's, etc. How hard is that? Wouldn't regular expressions be inadequate for deciphering nested expressions like the following?: sage: a = cos(cos(cos(x))) sage:

[sage-devel] Re: documenting Python

2007-12-14 Thread Ondrej Certik
On Dec 14, 2007 7:37 PM, William Stein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Dec 14, 2007 5:11 AM, Ondrej Certik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > how is the SAGE API reference done? Using docutils? > > No. It doesn't use docutils. > > > I am looking for some tool for documenting SymPy

[sage-devel] Re: [sage-newbie] is there any way to copy jsfonts to word ?

2007-12-14 Thread Ted Kosan
Ted wrote: > Wouldn't regular expressions be inadequate for deciphering nested > expressions like the following?: > > sage: a = cos(cos(cos(x))) > sage: a > cos(cos(cos(x))) > sage: latex(a) > \cos \left( \cos \left( \cos \left( x \right) \right) \right) > > For nested expressions, my understandi

[sage-devel] Re: SAGE-2.9.alpha7 released!

2007-12-14 Thread Jaap Spies
mabshoff wrote: > > The only high priority known build issue is #1497, for which a > workaround exists. So if you run FC7, 32 bit on a Dual core CPU > please disable power management completely before the build. We > are working on a way to detect this issue and stopping the build > of ATLAS wit

[sage-devel] Re: Fedora 6 & VMWare compile error

2007-12-14 Thread mabshoff
On Dec 14, 6:37 pm, "William Stein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Dec 14, 2007 6:56 AM, Robert Manning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > I am running Fedora 6 under VMWare. When I compile sage-2.8.15, I > > receive the following error. Any suggestions? > > What version of gcc is it? I ca

[sage-devel] Re: chemist rock -- amazing 3d java graphics

2007-12-14 Thread William Stein
On Dec 14, 2007 4:31 PM, Robert Bradshaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > As a mesh, rather than jmol spheres Damn it, I can't wait to try this out!! :-) > > > On Dec 14, 2007, at 4:10 PM, Robert Bradshaw wrote: > > > On Dec 14, 2007, at 11:16 AM, Robert Bradshaw wrote: > > > >> On Dec 14, 2007, a

[sage-devel] Re: chemist rock -- amazing 3d java graphics

2007-12-14 Thread Robert Bradshaw
Bundle up at http://sagetrac.org/sage_trac/ticket/1511 On Dec 14, 2007, at 4:33 PM, William Stein wrote: > > On Dec 14, 2007 4:31 PM, Robert Bradshaw > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> As a mesh, rather than jmol spheres > > > Damn it, I can't wait to try this out!! > > :-) > >> >> >> On Dec 14,

[sage-devel] Sage and Special Functions??

2007-12-14 Thread William Stein
Hi, This is a (very short!) Sage proposal that we're putting together for NSF. It's getting close to being finished. Any comments, including on typos are welcome: http://wstein.org/grants/2007-cdi-reinhardt/ Thanks! -- William -- William Stein Associate Professor of Mathematics Univer

[sage-devel] Re: DVDs and Posters

2007-12-14 Thread William Stein
This is related to the AMS meeting... On Dec 14, 2007 5:56 PM, Dennis Stein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > When do you want to get started with the DVDs and posters? It's > always better to give the vendors more time. > We'll be able to start with the poster soon. I think the DVD's will *have* t

[sage-devel] Re: Sage and Special Functions??

2007-12-14 Thread TimDaly
in the first paragraph s/chunck/chunk/ page 3 s/fucntions/functions/ The DLMF copyright section states: The material on this site is copyrighted ((c)) by NIST and/or the respective authors, and subject to the usual copyright restrictions. Does that imply DLMF can be used by open source program

[sage-devel] Re: Sage and Special Functions??

2007-12-14 Thread William Stein
Tim, Many thanks for your thoughts about the proposal! On Dec 14, 2007 6:46 PM, TimDaly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > in the first paragraph s/chunck/chunk/ > page 3 s/fucntions/functions/ > > > The DLMF copyright section states: > > The material on this site is copyrighted ((c)) by NIST and/or

[sage-devel] Re: DVDs and Posters

2007-12-14 Thread Jason Grout
William Stein wrote: > This is related to the AMS meeting... > > On Dec 14, 2007 5:56 PM, Dennis Stein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> When do you want to get started with the DVDs and posters? It's >> always better to give the vendors more time. >> > > We'll be able to start with the poster soon

[sage-devel] Sparse SVD

2007-12-14 Thread David Roe
My housemates have been writing a Python wrapper for SVDLIBC (a C library that does SVDs for sparse and dense matrices over the reals) using Swig. I suggested that they use Cython instead and thought that this might make a good spkg. I've asked a few people about sparse SVDs, and I think Sage cur

[sage-devel] Re: DVDs and Posters

2007-12-14 Thread Ted Kosan
Jason wrote: > I think it's a perfect idea to have something to give people. Instead of giving people something physical at the show, another idea that comes to mind is to give out tickets that have a piece of information on them. In the next version of SAGE that is released after the show, inc

[sage-devel] Re: DVDs and Posters

2007-12-14 Thread Timothy Clemans
I really like the idea of making physical copies of the tutorial to sell in the neighborhood of $5. I am very interested in polishing the tutorial. I also think the tutorial could benefit from being more general than a tutorial on Sage for number theorists. Anyways I am interested in working on t

[sage-devel] Re: DVDs and Posters

2007-12-14 Thread William Stein
On Dec 14, 2007 10:12 PM, Jason Grout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > As a student, I probably wouldn't buy a DVD if it was $20 and probably > would forget about it later and wouldn't download Sage. I probably also > wouldn't need a printed version of the tutorial even if I did get the > DVD. I *wou