On Jan 21, 2008 6:30 PM, Ted Kosan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> William wrote:
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> > > Was the idea of Wiris using Sage as an additional calculation engine
> > > for their client discussed at all?
> >
> > No. Wiris is a commercial company
> > and I got the very strong impression that they view S
William wrote:
> > Was the idea of Wiris using Sage as an additional calculation engine
> > for their client discussed at all?
>
> No. Wiris is a commercial company
> and I got the very strong impression that they view Sage as basically
> potential competition whose mere existence is bad for them
On Mon, 21 Jan 2008, William Stein wrote:
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> On Jan 21, 2008 4:16 PM, Ted Kosan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>> William wrote:
>>
>>> Today at the AMS meeting Tom Boothby and I had a long talk with the
>>> people at the "Wiris Booth":
>>> http://www.wiris.com/
>>> Wiris is a closed source co
On Jan 21, 2008 4:16 PM, Ted Kosan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> William wrote:
>
> > Today at the AMS meeting Tom Boothby and I had a long talk with the
> > people at the "Wiris Booth":
> > http://www.wiris.com/
> > Wiris is a closed source commercial math software company that makes a
> > web-b
William wrote:
> Today at the AMS meeting Tom Boothby and I had a long talk with the
> people at the "Wiris Booth":
> http://www.wiris.com/
> Wiris is a closed source commercial math software company that makes a
> web-based interface to their own custom mathematical software.
Was the idea of Wi
On Jan 15, 2008 5:23 AM, dpvc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > Just out of curiosity do you know of _any_ javascript equations editors
> > that are actually pretty good / finished / better than your
> > currentjsmath-based one?
>
> No. I find the state of affairs with on-line equation editors to
> Just out of curiosity do you know of _any_ javascript equations editors
> that are actually pretty good / finished / better than your
> currentjsmath-based one?
No. I find the state of affairs with on-line equation editors to be
pretty sad at the moment. It's definitely something that needs
> This definately has some little issues that I don't like (for example, typing
> "in", which you might want to be the product i*n),
Yes, there are definitely some interface issues that need to be
considered. For the moment, you can use spaces to disambiguate
situations like this. For example
> Mouse positioning of the cursor, cut and paste, multiple fonts, font
> resizing, multiple equations on one "sheet" of paper, 2D plotting, 3D
> plotting, tabbed panes, etc. Moving on to DragMath's capabilities:
> load and save to disk, multi-language support, export to LaTeX,
> MathML, Maple, an
On Jan 14, 2008 5:02 PM, dpvc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > This definately has some little issues that I don't like (for example,
> > typing "in", which you might want to be the product i*n),
>
> Yes, there are definitely some interface issues that need to be
> considered. For the moment, yo
On Jan 14, 2008 10:17 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > Since we're comparing Java to Javascript for the purposes of an equation
> > editor,
> > I did a quick google search and found that the author ofjsmathwrote
> > a javascript equation editor. Please try it out:
> >
> > ht
> Since we're comparing Java to Javascript for the purposes of an equation
> editor,
> I did a quick google search and found that the author ofjsmathwrote
> a javascript equation editor. Please try it out:
>
> http://www.math.union.edu/~dpvc/talks/2006-12-08.IMA/editor.html
>
> It usesjsm
First, I like Java, too, but personally I think applets are not a good
solution for a webpage. If you design a full GUI as an applet, you
could equally as well or better do it as a standalone java application
(which still uses the server over the net like the applet does, but is
not trapped inside
On Jan 10, 2008, at 6:03 PM, Ted Kosan wrote:
> Robert wrote:
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>> What is unfinished about it? Just because the author had/has more
>> plans for it doesn't mean it isn't very useable now (more so, I would
>> argue, than a drag-n-drop interface).
>
> Mouse positioning of the cursor, cut and paste
Robert wrote:
> What is unfinished about it? Just because the author had/has more
> plans for it doesn't mean it isn't very useable now (more so, I would
> argue, than a drag-n-drop interface).
Mouse positioning of the cursor, cut and paste, multiple fonts, font
resizing, multiple equations on o
On Jan 10, 2008, at 4:14 PM, Ted Kosan wrote:
> Tom wrote:
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>> This is a very nice start.
>
> But the original discussion was about Javascript vs. Java as a
> technology for enhancing the notebook. I think that Wiris provides a
> good example of what Java is capable of in this area but it would
Tom wrote:
>This is a very nice start.
But the original discussion was about Javascript vs. Java as a
technology for enhancing the notebook. I think that Wiris provides a
good example of what Java is capable of in this area but it would be
unfair to compare the Javascript equation editor to Wir
*wow*
This definately has some little issues that I don't like (for example, typing
"in", which you might want to be the product i*n), but this looks good and
works very well. Also, it's very fast.
For the record: I will *never* use any interface that requires me to use the
mouse for non-tri
On Jan 8, 11:09 pm, "William Stein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Just to break up the tension in this thread a little bit, here's my
> idea of what it might look like:
>
>http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/was/tmp/architecture_en.jpg
Factoring Sage into a front end communicating with a S
Tom wrote:
> The clicking & dragging interface is *painful*. I can't see using that for
> anything more than a few symbols.
I agree, the interface is not very usable. On the plus side, however,
the application's core looks solid and the project looks fairly
active:
0.6.2 Notes (2007-
The clicking & dragging interface is *painful*. I can't see using that for
anything more than a few symbols.
On Wed, 9 Jan 2008, Ted Kosan wrote:
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> Tom wrote:
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>> Excellent idea, Ted. I took your idea, expanded upon it, and added standard
>> scalable development concepts to accelerate th
It worked for me, and seems nice for what it does.
On Jan 9, 7:49 pm, "William Stein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Jan 9, 2008 4:53 PM, Ondrej Certik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > On Jan 10, 2008 1:12 AM, William Stein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > > On Jan 9, 2008 2:35 PM, Justi
Justin wrote:
> In addition, it appears only some of the components
> of the equation are editable (in "X+Y", I can select and change "X"
> and "Y", but not "+"?),
Double click on the operator to select it and then select a
replacement operator from the pallet.
>and navigating between these "
On Jan 10, 2008 1:12 AM, William Stein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> On Jan 9, 2008 2:35 PM, Justin C. Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> >
> > On Jan 9, 2008, at 10:43 AM, Ted Kosan wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Tom wrote:
> > >
> > >> Excellent idea, Ted. I took your idea, expanded upon it, an
On Jan 9, 2008, at 4:12 PM, William Stein wrote:
> On Jan 9, 2008 2:35 PM, Justin C. Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On Jan 9, 2008, at 10:43 AM, Ted Kosan wrote:
[snip]
> Since we're comparing Java to Javascript for the purposes of an
> equation editor,
> I did a quick google search and f
Justin wrote:
> Roughly the same behavior:
It looks like this is a known issue:
"
According to Apple specs OS X 10.5 Leopard already runs the newer
Version (J2SE 1.5.0_13 and 1.4.2_16),. However, Tiger and Leopard use
different build numbers, so problem seems limited to Tiger 10.4.10 and
.11,
On Jan 9, 2008, at 3:53 PM, Ted Kosan wrote:
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> Justin wrote:
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>> Sorry; I should have noted the version installed here. I installed
>> this last month, so that's not the issue.
>
> Does this code work? It is the standard GUI widget demo that is
> distributed with the Java development kit:
>
On Jan 9, 2008 2:35 PM, Justin C. Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> On Jan 9, 2008, at 10:43 AM, Ted Kosan wrote:
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> >
> > Tom wrote:
> >
> >> Excellent idea, Ted. I took your idea, expanded upon it, and
> >> added standard scalable development concepts to accelerate the
> >> synergy of th
Justin wrote:
> Sorry; I should have noted the version installed here. I installed
> this last month, so that's not the issue.
Does this code work? It is the standard GUI widget demo that is
distributed with the Java development kit:
#GUI widgets.
html('http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/tk
On Jan 9, 2008, at 3:33 PM, Ted Kosan wrote:
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> Justin wrote:
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>> Maybe it's just that my system senses my inate hostility to Java, but
>> this doesn't seem to work well for me (Mac OS X, 10.4.11, Safari 3
>> Public Beta, whatever version of Java I have).
>>
>> I pasted the above snippit into
Justin wrote:
> Maybe it's just that my system senses my inate hostility to Java, but
> this doesn't seem to work well for me (Mac OS X, 10.4.11, Safari 3
> Public Beta, whatever version of Java I have).
>
> I pasted the above snippit into the notebook, and evaluated it,
> giving me a sort of Jav
On Jan 9, 2008, at 10:43 AM, Ted Kosan wrote:
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> Tom wrote:
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>> Excellent idea, Ted. I took your idea, expanded upon it, and
>> added standard scalable development concepts to accelerate the
>> synergy of the web service protocols you've proposed.
>>
>> http://sage.math.washington.edu/hom
Quite fancy, but the thing took about 1 Minute to load on my Kubuntu
machine, and Firefox was frozen in the meantime!!!
Yes, that's right, it's Java ;)
But it sure could be one possible way to go. (I must say I like the AJAX
stuff more, although I really have NO CLUE at all about web programming...
Tom wrote:
> Excellent idea, Ted. I took your idea, expanded upon it, and added standard
> scalable development concepts to accelerate the synergy of the web service
> protocols you've proposed.
>
> http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/boothby/web_service_architecture_joke.png
>
> (tongue firm
boothby wrote
>I'd really prefer people to help out with the notebook, since
homework already keeps me.
>stretched thin, and I'd rather be writing more mathematical code.
But hey, y'all are volunteers -- do what you want.
I am about 1/3 of the way through the O'Reilly JavaScript book and I
think
On Jan 9, 6:52 am, "Ted Kosan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The idea of separating the Sage computation engine from the notebook
> server looks interesting.
That's very nice, yes. Especially then there could be different
interfaces (third party ...). If somebody likes Java, no problem -- or
re
Excellent idea, Ted. I took your idea, expanded upon it, and added standard
scalable development concepts to accelerate the synergy of the web service
protocols you've proposed.
http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/boothby/web_service_architecture_joke.png
(tongue firmly in cheek)
On Wed, 9
On Tue, 8 Jan 2008, William Stein wrote:
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> On Jan 8, 2008 8:48 PM, mabshoff
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>>
>>
>> On Jan 9, 5:39 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>> On Tue, 8 Jan 2008, Ted Kosan wrote:
>>> > Jaap wrote:
>>> >> Ok, I once thought java was the way to go, but now I'm a convert.
William wrote:
> Just to break up the tension in this thread a little bit, here's my
> idea of what it might look like:
>
> http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/was/tmp/architecture_en.jpg
The idea of separating the Sage computation engine from the notebook
server looks interesting. I took
On Jan 8, 2008 11:51 PM, William Stein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Just a quick question: Isn't Flash a closed-source commercial product, hence
> completely unsuitable for use as a core technology in Sage? (In contrast,
> Java is (supposed to be?) GPL'd now. )
>
> -- William
Yes it is closed
On Jan 8, 2008 8:48 PM, mabshoff
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> On Jan 9, 5:39 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > On Tue, 8 Jan 2008, Ted Kosan wrote:
> > > Jaap wrote:
> > >> Ok, I once thought java was the way to go, but now I'm a convert.
> > >> I hate java.
> >
> > > Truth be told, I like pr
On Jan 9, 5:39 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Tue, 8 Jan 2008, Ted Kosan wrote:
> > Jaap wrote:
> >> Ok, I once thought java was the way to go, but now I'm a convert.
> >> I hate java.
>
> > Truth be told, I like programming in Python better than Java when this
> > is feasible. For rich cros
On Tue, 8 Jan 2008, Ted Kosan wrote:
> Jaap wrote:
>> Ok, I once thought java was the way to go, but now I'm a convert.
>> I hate java.
>
> Truth be told, I like programming in Python better than Java when this
> is feasible. For rich cross-platform browser-based applications,
> however, it is d
On Jan 8, 2008 5:34 PM, Ted Kosan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> This is a fun thread :-)
>
> Anyway, what I am more interested in than specific Sage client types
> is a good way for all client types to talk with Sage. Here is Wiris's
> communication architecture:
>
> http://www.wiris.com/images/
This is a fun thread :-)
Anyway, what I am more interested in than specific Sage client types
is a good way for all client types to talk with Sage. Here is Wiris's
communication architecture:
http://www.wiris.com/images/stories/architecture_en.jpg
What I would like to have in Sage is a protoco
Justin C. Walker wrote:
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> On Jan 8, 2008, at 4:31 PM, Ted Kosan wrote:
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>> Jaap wrote:
>>
With bandwidth and memory capacity increasing exponentially, this is
fast becoming a non-issue.
>>> I've heard that before! But I don't believe this is the panacea!
>> The exponential grow
Ted Kosan wrote:
> Jaap wrote:
>
>>> With bandwidth and memory capacity increasing exponentially, this is
>>> fast becoming a non-issue.
>>>
>> I've heard that before! But I don't believe this is the panacea!
>
> The exponential growth of computing indicates that by 2020, a $1000
> computer will
On Jan 8, 2008, at 4:31 PM, Ted Kosan wrote:
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> Jaap wrote:
>
>>> With bandwidth and memory capacity increasing exponentially, this is
>>> fast becoming a non-issue.
>>>
>>
>> I've heard that before! But I don't believe this is the panacea!
>
> The exponential growth of computing indicates that
On Jan 9, 1:31 am, "Ted Kosan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Jaap wrote:
> > > With bandwidth and memory capacity increasing exponentially, this is
> > > fast becoming a non-issue.
>
> > I've heard that before! But I don't believe this is the panacea!
>
> The exponential growth of computing indic
Jaap wrote:
> > With bandwidth and memory capacity increasing exponentially, this is
> > fast becoming a non-issue.
> >
>
> I've heard that before! But I don't believe this is the panacea!
The exponential growth of computing indicates that by 2020, a $1000
computer will have the same capacity as
Justin C. Walker wrote:
> A brief comment:
>
> I think Harald's comment is apt.
>
+1
Jaap
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Ted Kosan wrote:
> Harald wrote:
>
>> but I'm more
>> and more convinced that a huge java applet is not the best way for any
>> webbased project. There are two things to consider: 1. it is much
>> heavier, concerning load time/memory and so on.
>
> With bandwidth and memory capacity increasing e
A brief comment:
On Jan 8, 2008, at 2:29 PM, Ted Kosan wrote:
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> Harald wrote:
>
>> but I'm more
>> and more convinced that a huge java applet is not the best way for
>> any
>> webbased project. There are two things to consider: 1. it is much
>> heavier, concerning load time/memory and so on.
Harald wrote:
> but I'm more
> and more convinced that a huge java applet is not the best way for any
> webbased project. There are two things to consider: 1. it is much
> heavier, concerning load time/memory and so on.
With bandwidth and memory capacity increasing exponentially, this is
fast be
Francois wrote:
> And it is supposed to work with what? On Linux I get a blank page with
> firefox and konqueror - opera just went and crashed.
> I certainly won't take seriously a product of that kind, that I cannot
> test on Linux.
It takes a while for the applet to load the first time. I had
On Jan 8, 2008 12:07 PM, Justin C. Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>
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> On Jan 7, 2008, at 23:50 , William Stein wrote:
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> >
> > On Jan 7, 2008 11:42 PM, Francois <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Jan 8, 8:22 pm, "Fernando Perez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>> On Jan 8, 200
On Jan 7, 2008, at 23:50 , William Stein wrote:
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> On Jan 7, 2008 11:42 PM, Francois <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>>
>>
>> On Jan 8, 8:22 pm, "Fernando Perez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> On Jan 8, 2008 12:13 AM, Francois <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>> FWIW, it worked for me under Ubuntu
I think that the Wiris web interface is specialized so much that it
may never be better than the Sage Notebook. I currently primary use
the Sage Notebook to teach a ten year old how to program with Python.
Therefore, for me organization and revision control are far more
important than fancy formul
On Jan 8, 7:00 am, "Ted Kosan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I like the AJAX notebook. But my position is that an AJAX-based
> notebook that is so good it pushes the limits of what AJAX can do
> would still be no where near as capable as a well-written Java
> Applet-based notebook.
Well, I'm in g
> Wiris is a closed source commercial math software company that makes a
> web-based interface
> to their own custom mathematical software. They ended the
> discussion by telling us that their
> web-based interface is (going to be) much better than ours.
A closed source commercial software wi
On 8 Jan., 09:37, Francois <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Jan 8, 8:50 pm, "William Stein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > On Jan 7, 2008 11:42 PM, Francois <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > On Jan 8, 8:22 pm, "Fernando Perez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > On Jan 8, 2008 12:13 AM, Francois
On Jan 8, 8:50 pm, "William Stein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Jan 7, 2008 11:42 PM, Francois <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>
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> > On Jan 8, 8:22 pm, "Fernando Perez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > On Jan 8, 2008 12:13 AM, Francois <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > FWIW, it worked for me
On Jan 7, 2008 11:42 PM, Francois <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>
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> On Jan 8, 8:22 pm, "Fernando Perez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Jan 8, 2008 12:13 AM, Francois <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > FWIW, it worked for me under Ubuntu Gutsy with firefox...
> >
> Strange it definitely just st
On Jan 8, 8:22 pm, "Fernando Perez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Jan 8, 2008 12:13 AM, Francois <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> FWIW, it worked for me under Ubuntu Gutsy with firefox...
>
Strange it definitely just stay blank for me. I am using the plugin
from the
sun jdk 1.6, do you use 1.5 o
On Jan 8, 2008 12:13 AM, Francois <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> And it is supposed to work with what? On Linux I get a blank page with
> firefox and konqueror - opera just went and crashed.
> I certainly won't take seriously a product of that kind, that I cannot
> test on Linux.
FWIW, it worked f
On Jan 8, 7:00 pm, "Ted Kosan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> William wrote:
> > It would be good for you to take a look at what Wiris does if you are
> > interested in the Sage notebook.
>
> Here is a direct link to the demo applet. Just click the link, wait a
> bit for the applet to load, and t
William wrote:
> It would be good for you to take a look at what Wiris does if you are
> interested in the Sage notebook.
Here is a direct link to the demo applet. Just click the link, wait a
bit for the applet to load, and then play with it.
http://www.wiris.com/applets/CAS/en/cas_1_en.htm
Pretty slick, although I wonder about the flash demos - all the
calculations were instantaneous. Maybe it really is that fast, since
none of the calculations were very hard. If so, it would be
impressive.
Eventually having a palette interface for sage would be cool but seems
like a lot of work.
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