On Jan 9, 1:31 am, "Ted Kosan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Jaap wrote:
> > > With bandwidth and memory capacity increasing exponentially, this is
> > > fast becoming a non-issue.
>
> > I've heard that before! But I don't believe this is the panacea!
>
> The exponential growth of computing indicates that by 2020, a $1000
> computer will have the same capacity as a human brain. By 2050, a
> $1000 computer will have the same capacity as all the human brains on
> the planet.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:PPTExponentialGrowthof_Computing.jpg
>
> http://www.kurzweilai.net/meme/frame.html?main=/articles/art0134.html?
>
> To me, exponential growth seems more like magic than anything else,
> even if it is just simple science :-)
Well, in the current form it is doubtful that Moore's law will hold
that long, but the expectation that Moore's law will take care of any
kind of performance issue by just providing enough power gave us
Windows Vista. This is obviously a rim shot, but "just because it is
there" isn't a valid argument. I started my computing career with 16
kb of RAM - it has been a while. And while I certainly don't remember
the time of 40x25 16 color displays one has to wonder every once in a
while where things could have gone better in OS design in the last 20
years.
> If these projections are even close to being accurate then computer
> capacity is not going to be a problem for Java. I truly believe that
> the real issue we will be dealing with in the not so distant future is
> the best way to upload Sage into human brains.
>
> > Maybe java is popular, but ask your self why? Managers want it, but they
> > usually don't know why!
>
> Java is one of the most popular languages for manager-free open source
> projects on sourceforge too:
>
> http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~flab/languages.html
Well, that doesn't really mean much - the interesting question is how
many of those projects are thriving and actually used by people.
Azureus is the only Java app I have ever looked at and was willing to
use. I switched away from it because I removed Java from my box due to
the constant need to update it for security reasons. Especially on
Windows you have to remove older JDKs manually since they stick around
and since the java applet can request specific JDK versions, even
older installed ones, that is a big potential infection vector.
> I agree, though, that Java has a significant amount of hype associated
> with it and this is definitely a distraction.
>
> > Ok, I once thought java was the way to go, but now I'm a convert.
> > I hate java.
>
> Truth be told, I like programming in Python better than Java when this
> is feasible. For rich cross-platform browser-based applications,
> however, it is difficult to beat.
Well, some people will tell you that running real application in a
browser is the problem in the first place, but I don't intent to start
a flame war. Java has its place, but I personally dislike the GUI
interface interface and I don't see the need for command line applets.
We have that think called "C" that is cross platform :). Even eclipse
based code is slow and every time somebody tries to convince me to use
an IDE which requires a couple hundred MB to run, even more space to
install and feels like molasses I can only say "thank you, but not
thank you." Other people feel different, so we can agree to disagree.
> >E.g. why the hell the new jmoll graphics does not work on
> > my Fedora 7 install from the sage command line?
>
> Some of this might be due to the quickness with which jmol was added
> to Sage so that it could be demonstrated at the AMS meeting.
I suspect interaction between gcc's libgjc and jmol. libgjc is close
to Sun's java in compability, but not equal. Installing and using
Sun's JDK 1.6 might fix the issue.
> Ted
Cheers,
Michael "I really don't want to start a flame war about this" Abshoff
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