On 02/27/11 03:37 PM, rjf wrote:
There seem to be two separate questions here.
Yes, and they should be kept separate, on different threads really.
1. Should there be commercial support for Sage, whatever that might
be.
Anyone can announce he/(she_ is available for consulting work on the
Sage
There seem to be two separate questions here.
1. Should there be commercial support for Sage, whatever that might
be.
Anyone can announce he/(she_ is available for consulting work on the
Sage
collection of programs. He may be paid to enhance Sage for a client.
The work he does may or may not be r
On 02/27/11 08:00 AM, William Stein wrote:
On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 9:34 PM, daly wrote:
Are you advertising to a particular niche market? For instance,
Mathcad is very engineering oriented and has a lot of special
purpose packages such as a way to get GPIB data off your spiffy
HP equipment. Lab
On 02/27/11 06:32 AM, Rob Beezer wrote:
On Feb 26, 5:08 pm, "Dr. David Kirkby"
wrote:
Things like number theory
are interesting academically, but don't have a huge interest to industrial
users.
I guess RSA public-key cryptography is not very important to banks,
the military, diplomats wishing
On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 9:34 PM, daly wrote:
> On Sat, 2011-02-26 at 20:09 -0800, Nils Bruin wrote:
>> On Feb 25, 10:52 pm, William Stein wrote:
>> > > 2) Pay for advertising Sage in maths journals, New Scientist, or if
>> > > deemed appropriate, anywhere where the 4 M's are advertised.
>> >
>> >
On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 9:34 PM, daly wrote:
> Are you advertising to a particular niche market? For instance,
> Mathcad is very engineering oriented and has a lot of special
> purpose packages such as a way to get GPIB data off your spiffy
> HP equipment. Lab guys love it and will pay for this ab
On Feb 26, 5:08 pm, "Dr. David Kirkby"
wrote:
> Things like number theory
> are interesting academically, but don't have a huge interest to industrial
> users.
I guess RSA public-key cryptography is not very important to banks,
the military, diplomats wishing to keep "cables" secret from
WikiLea
On Sat, 2011-02-26 at 20:09 -0800, Nils Bruin wrote:
> On Feb 25, 10:52 pm, William Stein wrote:
> > > 2) Pay for advertising Sage in maths journals, New Scientist, or if
> > > deemed appropriate, anywhere where the 4 M's are advertised.
> >
> > b) Is 2) something that will annoy anybody reading t
I don't have much of a sense about how much such advertising costs,
but intuitively I'm pretty sure that our booths at the AMS meetings
are extremely cost-effective in comparison. If possible we should try
to have booths at other similar meetings in the future. I'm planning
on going to the ICIAM
On Feb 25, 10:52 pm, William Stein wrote:
> > 2) Pay for advertising Sage in maths journals, New Scientist, or if
> > deemed appropriate, anywhere where the 4 M's are advertised.
>
> b) Is 2) something that will annoy anybody reading this? I could see
> somebody being annoyed that valuable Sage m
On 02/26/11 09:44 PM, kcrisman wrote:
But honestly I don't think that the money is to be made for Sage (yet)
for commercial support, precisely for the reasons that a few people
stated; R and numpy/Enthought have very targeted audiences, and why
would someone ask for support for Sage when they co
Two comments:
If you're going to advertise, you should look at NCTM and MAA
publications. Not as many will want to use as in research
mathematics, but many will want it for personal use, and most will be
teaching at least some courses where it's a drop-in replacement for
other options. I could s
n support of
or against a market for sage support/service.
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>Cc: RegB <2regburg...@earthlink.net>
>Subject: Re: [sage-devel] Re: Support contracts for commercial custo
On 26 February 2011 18:13, John Cremona wrote:
> Surely advertising in academic places such as AMS Notices, LMS
> newsletter, and similar, would be cheaper than commercial
> publications, and also reach people more likely to use Sage and become
> developers?
>
> John
True, though sometime like Ne
Surely advertising in academic places such as AMS Notices, LMS
newsletter, and similar, would be cheaper than commercial
publications, and also reach people more likely to use Sage and become
developers?
John
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On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 7:46 AM, David Kirkby wrote:
> On 26 February 2011 14:31, William Stein wrote:
>> On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 2:56 AM, Volker Braun wrote:
>>
>>> Its true that its nice to have the university backing. But depending on how
>>> much overhead the University charges this may or m
On 26 February 2011 14:31, William Stein wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 2:56 AM, Volker Braun wrote:
>
>> Its true that its nice to have the university backing. But depending on how
>> much overhead the University charges this may or may not be a cost-effective
>> way of running things. I take
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 09:28:32AM -0800, William Stein wrote:
> I'm also curious about honest *opinions* about how people in the Sage
> community would feel about a company making potentially gobs of money
> selling support contracts? What balance between profit and giving
> back to the communit
On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 2:56 AM, Volker Braun wrote:
> On Saturday, February 26, 2011 7:05:42 AM UTC, William wrote:
>>
>> > (in the US) it is very difficult to set up a non-profit and make sure
>> > you
>> > are and remain in compliance with all rules.
>>
>> This is all true. I got around this s
On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 1:29 AM, David Kirkby wrote:
> On 26 February 2011 06:52, William Stein wrote:
>> On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 3:16 AM, David Kirkby
>> wrote:
>
>>> As for the issue I raised as support contracts, then the following
>>> might be a method which would not irritate anyone, so ha
On Saturday, February 26, 2011 7:05:42 AM UTC, William wrote:
>
> > (in the US) it is very difficult to set up a non-profit and make sure you
> > are and remain in compliance with all rules.
>
> This is all true. I got around this so far via the University of
> Washington, which has an army of acc
On 26 February 2011 06:52, William Stein wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 3:16 AM, David Kirkby wrote:
>> As for the issue I raised as support contracts, then the following
>> might be a method which would not irritate anyone, so has almost zero
>> probability of losing any Sage developers. Use
On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 10:56 PM, Jason Grout
wrote:
> On 2/26/11 12:52 AM, William Stein wrote:
>>>
>>> > Personally, I don't feel the amount of money raised would be huge. But
>>> > the fact commercial support was available, could make Sage more
>>> > attractive to commercial customers.
>>
>>
On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 1:22 AM, Dima Pasechnik wrote:
> It seems that a reasonable option would have a non-profit foundation
> selling these kinds of services,
> so that all the surplus money it makes goes into funding Sage
> development (including things like internships, etc).
This already hap
On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 1:31 AM, Dima Pasechnik wrote:
>
>
> On Feb 25, 4:37 am, William Stein wrote:
>> On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 12:01 PM, Jason Grout
>>
>> wrote:
>> > On 2/24/11 11:28 AM, William Stein wrote:
>>
>> >> I'm also curious about honest *opinions* about how people in the Sage
>> >>
On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 1:54 AM, Jeroen Demeyer wrote:
> On 2011-02-24 21:50, William Stein wrote:
>> If you mean that GPL-incompatible components would be added to the
>> Windows version of Sage, then this would violate the GPL. Not only
>> might there be a fork, there would a copyright violatio
On 2/26/11 12:52 AM, William Stein wrote:
> Personally, I don't feel the amount of money raised would be huge. But
> the fact commercial support was available, could make Sage more
> attractive to commercial customers.
It's a fact that the numerical/engineering aspects of Sage already
have co
On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 6:41 AM, RegB <2regburg...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> I don't know free market theory at all well - at all for that matter.
> It would SEEM that if market pull exists it would have shown itself
> by now, e.g. enterprising (3rd party) individuals would be selling
> per incident
On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 3:16 AM, David Kirkby wrote:
> On 24 February 2011 17:28, William Stein wrote:
>
>> I'm also curious about honest *opinions* about how people in the Sage
>> community would feel about a company making potentially gobs of money
>> selling support contracts? What balance b
I don't know free market theory at all well - at all for that matter.
It would SEEM that if market pull exists it would have shown itself
by now, e.g. enterprising (3rd party) individuals would be selling
per incident and/or per year contracts to do little more than
search the docs and forums for a
On 24 February 2011 17:28, William Stein wrote:
> I'm also curious about honest *opinions* about how people in the Sage
> community would feel about a company making potentially gobs of money
> selling support contracts? What balance between profit and giving
> back to the community would be ap
I don't have any problems with people getting paid for sage related
stuff (selling service contract, implementing features, fixing bugs)
as long as the output of it is getting back to the community. I mean,
someone working fulltime on sage related stuf, and improving sage
along the way, also deserv
On 2011-02-24 21:50, William Stein wrote:
> If you mean that GPL-incompatible components would be added to the
> Windows version of Sage, then this would violate the GPL. Not only
> might there be a fork, there would a copyright violation.
Really? I'm sure you argued before that spkgs do not hav
On Feb 25, 4:37 am, William Stein wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 12:01 PM, Jason Grout
>
> wrote:
> > On 2/24/11 11:28 AM, William Stein wrote:
>
> >> I'm also curious about honest *opinions* about how people in the Sage
> >> community would feel about a company making potentially gobs of mon
On Friday, February 25, 2011 12:55:39 AM UTC, robertwb wrote:
>
> [...] I'm still not sure where I
> stand on all of this, but I think I'd be comfortable with a non-profit with
> some paying customers that uses the proceeds to make Sage better.
>
I have been told that (in the US) it is very diffic
On Feb 25, 4:50 am, William Stein wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 11:35 AM, daly wrote:
>
> >> I'm also curious about honest *opinions* about how people in the Sage
> >> community would feel about a company making potentially gobs of money
> >> selling support contracts? What balance between
For some perspective (in the very big business of modeling and stats,
where people are trying to harness GPL software - and apparently are
successful), see
http://www.revolutionanalytics.com/
http://www.revolutionanalytics.com/products/revolution-r.php
http://www.mango-solutions.com/
Packaging
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 11:18 AM, Tom Boothby wrote:
>> I'm also curious about honest *opinions* about how people in the Sage
>> community would feel about a company making potentially gobs of money
>> selling support contracts? What balance between profit and giving
>> back to the community wou
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 11:35 AM, daly wrote:
>
>> I'm also curious about honest *opinions* about how people in the Sage
>> community would feel about a company making potentially gobs of money
>> selling support contracts? What balance between profit and giving
>> back to the community would be
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 12:01 PM, Jason Grout
wrote:
> On 2/24/11 11:28 AM, William Stein wrote:
>
>> I'm also curious about honest *opinions* about how people in the Sage
>> community would feel about a company making potentially gobs of money
>> selling support contracts? What balance between
On 2/24/11 11:28 AM, William Stein wrote:
I'm also curious about honest *opinions* about how people in the Sage
community would feel about a company making potentially gobs of money
selling support contracts? What balance between profit and giving
back to the community would be appropriate? W
On Thu, 2011-02-24 at 11:18 -0800, Tom Boothby wrote:
> > I'm also curious about honest *opinions* about how people in the Sage
> > community would feel about a company making potentially gobs of money
> > selling support contracts? What balance between profit and giving
> > back to the community
> I'm also curious about honest *opinions* about how people in the Sage
> community would feel about a company making potentially gobs of money
> selling support contracts? What balance between profit and giving
> back to the community would be appropriate? What services might be
> offensive, a
> I'm also curious about honest *opinions* about how people in the Sage
> community would feel about a company making potentially gobs of money
> selling support contracts? What balance between profit and giving
> back to the community would be appropriate? What services might be
> offensive, an
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 6:52 AM, kcrisman wrote:
>
>
> On Feb 24, 6:09 am, Jeroen Demeyer wrote:
>> On 2011-02-24 10:30, Dr. David Kirkby wrote:
>>
>> > Any comments? Is there any chance of implementing this?
>>
>> Who is going to do this commercial support?
>
> There's been talk of founding a co
On Feb 24, 6:09 am, Jeroen Demeyer wrote:
> On 2011-02-24 10:30, Dr. David Kirkby wrote:
>
> > Any comments? Is there any chance of implementing this?
>
> Who is going to do this commercial support?
There's been talk of founding a company which would support notebook
servers, provide them - sor
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