[sage-devel] Re: Status of simple server API

2013-06-18 Thread Dima Pasechnik
On Tuesday, 18 June 2013 11:39:52 UTC+2, Jean-Pierre Flori wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, June 18, 2013 10:51:29 AM UTC+2, Dima Pasechnik wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tuesday, 18 June 2013 10:45:32 UTC+2, Dima Pasechnik wrote: >>> >>> >>> On Monday, 17 June 2013 23:47:29 UTC+2, Volker Braun wrote: >>>

[sage-devel] Re: Status of simple server API

2013-06-18 Thread Jean-Pierre Flori
On Tuesday, June 18, 2013 10:51:29 AM UTC+2, Dima Pasechnik wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, 18 June 2013 10:45:32 UTC+2, Dima Pasechnik wrote: >> >> >> On Monday, 17 June 2013 23:47:29 UTC+2, Volker Braun wrote: >> >>> On Monday, June 17, 2013 2:29:11 PM UTC-7, Dima Pasechnik wrote: >>> well, Cyg

[sage-devel] Re: Status of simple server API

2013-06-18 Thread Dima Pasechnik
On Tuesday, 18 June 2013 10:45:32 UTC+2, Dima Pasechnik wrote: > > > On Monday, 17 June 2013 23:47:29 UTC+2, Volker Braun wrote: > >> On Monday, June 17, 2013 2:29:11 PM UTC-7, Dima Pasechnik wrote: >> >>> well, Cygwin is entangled with OS in an intimate way, so it's not >>> "essentially the sam

[sage-devel] Re: Status of simple server API

2013-06-18 Thread Dima Pasechnik
On Monday, 17 June 2013 23:47:29 UTC+2, Volker Braun wrote: > On Monday, June 17, 2013 2:29:11 PM UTC-7, Dima Pasechnik wrote: > >> well, Cygwin is entangled with OS in an intimate way, so it's not >> "essentially the same way". >> > > Is it? The newest cygwin doesn't even use the registry any

[sage-devel] Re: Status of simple server API

2013-06-17 Thread Volker Braun
On Monday, June 17, 2013 2:29:11 PM UTC-7, Dima Pasechnik wrote: > well, Cygwin is entangled with OS in an intimate way, so it's not > "essentially the same way". > Is it? The newest cygwin doesn't even use the registry any more. Of couse if you need to run services like an ssh server then you

[sage-devel] Re: Status of simple server API

2013-06-17 Thread Dima Pasechnik
On 2013-06-17, Volker Braun wrote: > --=_Part_3022_16440786.1371499844732 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Will cygwin accept a monolithic Sage package that duplicates lots of Cygwin > packages? This is the same question about including Sage into linux > distros, and the an

[sage-devel] Re: Status of simple server API

2013-06-17 Thread Volker Braun
Will cygwin accept a monolithic Sage package that duplicates lots of Cygwin packages? This is the same question about including Sage into linux distros, and the answer is going to be a resounding "of course not". Of course it would be great to make Sage more modular, but its not going to happe

[sage-devel] Re: Status of simple server API

2013-06-17 Thread Dima Pasechnik
On 2013-06-17, Volker Braun wrote: > --=_Part_2565_268627.1371478847151 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > +1: we should not attempt to introduce any sort of package management on > Windows. In keeping with the Windows user experience we just need to vomit > stuff into the f

[sage-devel] Re: Status of simple server API

2013-06-17 Thread Jean-Pierre Flori
On Monday, June 17, 2013 4:20:47 PM UTC+2, Volker Braun wrote: > > +1: we should not attempt to introduce any sort of package management on > Windows. In keeping with the Windows user experience we just need to vomit > stuff into the filesystem with a one-click install. Moving Cygwin should be

[sage-devel] Re: Status of simple server API

2013-06-17 Thread Volker Braun
+1: we should not attempt to introduce any sort of package management on Windows. In keeping with the Windows user experience we just need to vomit stuff into the filesystem with a one-click install. Moving Cygwin should be easy, you just need to rewrite the mount points for the new cygwin dir

[sage-devel] Re: Status of simple server API

2013-06-17 Thread Jean-Pierre Flori
On Monday, June 17, 2013 3:09:40 PM UTC+2, kcrisman wrote: > > >> > It would be unfortunate if the Sage notebook were to fall to the energy >> > behind SagemathCloud without having some alternate project (like the >> > IPython notebook, perhaps) providing this functionality; Andrey's >> points

[sage-devel] Re: Status of simple server API

2013-06-17 Thread kcrisman
> > > > It would be unfortunate if the Sage notebook were to fall to the energy > > behind SagemathCloud without having some alternate project (like the > > IPython notebook, perhaps) providing this functionality; Andrey's points > > are legitimate. It clearly fills a need, especially as long

[sage-devel] Re: Status of simple server API

2013-06-16 Thread Dima Pasechnik
On 2013-06-16, kcrisman wrote: > --=_Part_606_21518160.1371342662093 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > > > On Saturday, June 15, 2013 5:26:31 PM UTC-4, William wrote: >> >> >> On Jun 15, 2013 12:22 PM, "Andrey Novoseltsev" >> > >> wrote: >> > >> > On Jun 14, 4:28 pm, William

[sage-devel] Re: Status of simple server API

2013-06-15 Thread Jason Grout
On 6/15/13 1:22 PM, Andrey Novoseltsev wrote: On Jun 14, 4:28 pm, William Stein wrote: Some additional remarks: - I plan to (eventually) make Ipython also available as an integral part ofhttp://cloud.sagemath.com;if you open a .sagews you get the worksheet I've developed, but if you open an

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Status of simple server API

2013-06-15 Thread William Stein
On Jun 15, 2013 5:31 PM, "kcrisman" wrote: > > > > On Saturday, June 15, 2013 5:26:31 PM UTC-4, William wrote: >> >> >> On Jun 15, 2013 12:22 PM, "Andrey Novoseltsev" wrote: >> > >> > On Jun 14, 4:28 pm, William Stein wrote: >> > > Some additional remarks: >> > > >> > > - I plan to (eventually

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Status of simple server API

2013-06-15 Thread kcrisman
On Saturday, June 15, 2013 5:26:31 PM UTC-4, William wrote: > > > On Jun 15, 2013 12:22 PM, "Andrey Novoseltsev" > > > wrote: > > > > On Jun 14, 4:28 pm, William Stein wrote: > > > Some additional remarks: > > > > > > - I plan to (eventually) make Ipython also available as an integral > > >

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Status of simple server API

2013-06-15 Thread William Stein
On Jun 15, 2013 12:22 PM, "Andrey Novoseltsev" wrote: > > On Jun 14, 4:28 pm, William Stein wrote: > > Some additional remarks: > > > > - I plan to (eventually) make Ipython also available as an integral > > part ofhttp://cloud.sagemath.com;if you open a .sagews you get the > > worksheet I've d

[sage-devel] Re: Status of simple server API

2013-06-15 Thread Andrey Novoseltsev
On Jun 14, 4:28 pm, William Stein wrote: > Some additional remarks: > >   - I plan to (eventually) make Ipython also available as an integral > part ofhttp://cloud.sagemath.com;if you open a .sagews you get the > worksheet I've developed, but if you open an ipython notebook file, > you'll get an i

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Status of simple server API

2013-06-14 Thread William Stein
On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 1:28 PM, Jason Grout wrote: > On 6/14/13 2:23 PM, kcrisman wrote: >> >> There are a number of tickets like #12232 (maybe six or seven) related >> to the simple server API. This thread is to discuss the status of this. >> Here are a few possible opinions. >> >> 1) This API

[sage-devel] Re: Status of simple server API

2013-06-14 Thread Jason Grout
On 6/14/13 2:23 PM, kcrisman wrote: There are a number of tickets like #12232 (maybe six or seven) related to the simple server API. This thread is to discuss the status of this. Here are a few possible opinions. 1) This API hasn't worked for a long time well, and doesn't work at all with the c