[sage-devel] Re: Trivial problems in the sage 3.0.5 distribution

2008-07-20 Thread mabshoff
On Jul 20, 9:13 pm, Timothy G Abbott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi Tim, > Below I list a large number of trivial problems in the Sage 3.0.5 > distribution tarball that the Debian automatic package checking tools > detected. > > None of the problems below have any functional effect, they're just

[sage-devel] Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: [sage-devel] Re: Identification with ldap.

2008-07-20 Thread William Stein
On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 4:34 AM, Mike Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Google and Microsoft, having invested real dollars into the >> effort, ought to try for a higher standard and a longer horizon. >> I really wish they would hire a team with a mandate to make this >> code literate. > > Tim

[sage-devel] Trivial problems in the sage 3.0.5 distribution

2008-07-20 Thread Timothy G Abbott
Below I list a large number of trivial problems in the Sage 3.0.5 distribution tarball that the Debian automatic package checking tools detected. None of the problems below have any functional effect, they're just things that are likely mistakes and are probably worth correcting. If desired,

[sage-devel] Re: sage + py.test fails

2008-07-20 Thread Ondrej Certik
On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 6:38 PM, mabshoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Jul 20, 8:20 am, "Ondrej Certik" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 4:48 PM, William Stein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi, > > > >> BTW, here is another creepy thing, that maybe is a bug in Sage: >>

[sage-devel] Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: [sage-devel] Re: Identification with ldap.

2008-07-20 Thread Mike Hansen
> Google and Microsoft, having invested real dollars into the > effort, ought to try for a higher standard and a longer horizon. > I really wish they would hire a team with a mandate to make this > code literate. Tim: Please create a new thread if you would like to push literate programming as it

[sage-devel] Re: Geogebra license

2008-07-20 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
On 20 Jul, 23:42, "William Stein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Sage-Devel (cc: Markus), > > After emailing with Markus Hohenwarter -- director of Geogebra -- and > looking around at the code, I get the impression that the Geogebra group is > very well meaning and a great group of people doing s

[sage-devel] Re: units, was: Suggestion components to add onto SAGE

2008-07-20 Thread David Joyner
On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 11:14 PM, root <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>I have looked around to see what Maple and Mathematica have in >>the way of units, but from what I have seen, there is nothing very >>exciting. Which is OK --- something boring which just works right >>would be very useful. > >

[sage-devel] Re: units, was: Suggestion components to add onto SAGE

2008-07-20 Thread root
>I have looked around to see what Maple and Mathematica have in >the way of units, but from what I have seen, there is nothing very >exciting. Which is OK --- something boring which just works right >would be very useful. Frink is the standard for unit conversion.

[sage-devel] Re: units, was: Suggestion components to add onto SAGE

2008-07-20 Thread Tim Lahey
On Jul 20, 2008, at 9:19 PM, Robert Dodier wrote: > > William Stein wrote: >> (3) Does Maxima, Maple, Mathematica, Matlab or Axiom do anything >> particularly cool, surprising or clever involving units? > > I have looked around to see what Maple and Mathematica have in > the way of units, but fr

[sage-devel] CUDA and Sage

2008-07-20 Thread Simon Beaumont
I am just about to embark on integrating come CUDA libraries into sage. I was not sure of the best route to go - I am considering the pycuda libraries as a starting point - this a pure kernel approach - I but would also like to get the CUDA blas and fft libraries integrated. (I think cuda-python)

[sage-devel] Re: Identification with ldap.

2008-07-20 Thread root
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > Yes, yes, it is easy to criticize and whats really needed is energy > and effort... well I hope to try some more... but the structure of the > files makes it very difficult to follow. When one only has a limited > amount of time to contribute it is really depressin

[sage-devel] Re: Package management and versioning

2008-07-20 Thread mabshoff
On Jul 20, 2:39 pm, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi folks, Hi Vincent, > Looking at the way that sage builds and installs its packages, I > didn't see an easy way to remove an optional package (say in case it > breaks something, or you don't need it anymore) ; has it been > c

[sage-devel] Re: marketing strategy [was: sagemath.org website info #2]

2008-07-20 Thread Harald Schilly
On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 16:55, Dr. David Kirkby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What they do not show, which is probably the > more useful, is keyword searches which did not cause someone to click > a link to sage, but would have usefully generated such a link. I have exactly this kind of data! >Fro

[sage-devel] Re: Geogebra license

2008-07-20 Thread Ondrej Certik
>> So I don't think (optional) integration or support of Geogebra from >> Sage is a wise move right now. I very much hope the situation with >> Geogebra changes asap. I.e., in my opinion, the Geogebra group should >> either make the Geogebra distribution fully GPL'd or they should replace >> YAC

[sage-devel] Re: Geogebra license

2008-07-20 Thread Ondrej Certik
On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 12:42 AM, William Stein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi Sage-Devel (cc: Markus), > > After emailing with Markus Hohenwarter -- director of Geogebra -- and > looking around at the code, I get the impression that the Geogebra group is > very well meaning and a great group o

[sage-devel] Re: [sage-combinat-devel] Sage days in Orsay

2008-07-20 Thread William Stein
On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 4:11 AM, Mike Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 1:56 AM, Nicolas M. Thiery > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> - Have a followup to Sage Days 10 in Nancy, surfing on its wave, >> but without competing with it >> - Run a sage-combinat coding party

[sage-devel] Re: Package management and versioning

2008-07-20 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> OK, so who knows a clever way to detect which files were added/changed > in a directory structure? Quick and very dirty : 'find . -cmin -5' (files modified less than 5 minutes ago). Quick and dirty : ls -lR > before ; make install ; ls -lR after ; diff -u before after | sed -e 'whatever_to_pr

[sage-devel] Re: Package management and versioning

2008-07-20 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > There is also a lot of code that does not use configure && make && > > make install. How is that dealt with? What about python packages? Or > > do you only want to deal with optional packages? > > Yes, I think he definitely claims to *only* want to deal with optional > packages. I don't ! On

[sage-devel] Re: CUDA and Sage

2008-07-20 Thread Thierry Dumont
William Stein a écrit : > > > What is CUDA? Why should the typical read of sage-devel or user > of Sage care? Any chance you could write a paragraph or two and > about this? It might get a lot more Sage developers excited about > what you're doing (which is I'm sure extremely exciting). > > -

[sage-devel] Re: Package management and versioning

2008-07-20 Thread mabshoff
On Jul 20, 3:27 pm, "William Stein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 11:59 PM, mabshoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Jul 20, 2:39 pm, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > >> Hi folks, > > > Hi Vincent, > > >> Looking at the way that sage builds and inst

[sage-devel] Re: Package management and versioning

2008-07-20 Thread William Stein
On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 1:00 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > Yep. Although the "keeping track of the package manifest" would still >> > help a bit there - no protection against clobbering files though. >> >> What about literally doing that? If one installs a package foo-0.

[sage-devel] Re: Identification with ldap.

2008-07-20 Thread Michael_D_G
Well I sort have run out of time on this for the moment. I hope to come back to it in a month or so. I love the sage idea and what has been put together so far is VERY impressive. Unfortunately the warts from the developer side, are fairly daunting to me. I have some experience with Django, and s

[sage-devel] Re: Package management and versioning

2008-07-20 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Yep. Although the "keeping track of the package manifest" would still > > help a bit there - no protection against clobbering files though. > > What about literally doing that?  If one installs a package foo-0.1.spkg, > then a file > >     spkg/installed/foo-0.1 > > appears.  It could contain

[sage-devel] Re: Package management and versioning

2008-07-20 Thread William Stein
> Yep. Although the "keeping track of the package manifest" would still > help a bit there - no protection against clobbering files though. What about literally doing that? If one installs a package foo-0.1.spkg, then a file spkg/installed/foo-0.1 appears. It could contain a list of all t

[sage-devel] Re: Geogebra license

2008-07-20 Thread William Stein
Hi Sage-Devel (cc: Markus), After emailing with Markus Hohenwarter -- director of Geogebra -- and looking around at the code, I get the impression that the Geogebra group is very well meaning and a great group of people doing some wonderful things in math education. Unfortunately, it appears the

[sage-devel] Re: Package management and versioning

2008-07-20 Thread François Bissey
On Mon, 21 Jul 2008, mabshoff wrote: > > Packages need to be configured with --prefix=$SAGE_ROOT/local, > > installed with DESTDIR=somewhere, and then somewhere/$SAGE_ROOT/local > > has to be renamed to $SAGE_ROOT/spkg/graft/packagename-v.er.si-on > > before graft (or whichever one) is called to p

[sage-devel] Re: Package management and versioning

2008-07-20 Thread William Stein
On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 11:59 PM, mabshoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Jul 20, 2:39 pm, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> Hi folks, > > Hi Vincent, > >> Looking at the way that sage builds and installs its packages, I >> didn't see an easy way to remove an optional package

[sage-devel] Package management and versioning

2008-07-20 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi folks, Looking at the way that sage builds and installs its packages, I didn't see an easy way to remove an optional package (say in case it breaks something, or you don't need it anymore) ; has it been considered to use something like GNU stow or my favorite, graft (http://www.gormand.com.au/

[sage-devel] Re: Draft Sage description for Debian

2008-07-20 Thread François Bissey
On Mon, 21 Jul 2008, William Stein wrote: > On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 10:54 PM, Tim Abbott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm getting the point in the Debianization of Sage that I'm primarily > > working on the package for Sage itself (rather than its dependencies). > > Below is my current draft des

[sage-devel] Re: Draft Sage description for Debian

2008-07-20 Thread William Stein
On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 10:54 PM, Tim Abbott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm getting the point in the Debianization of Sage that I'm primarily > working on the package for Sage itself (rather than its dependencies). > Below is my current draft description for the Debian Sage package > (i.e. > t

[sage-devel] Re: sage + py.test fails

2008-07-20 Thread mabshoff
On Jul 20, 1:22 pm, "Ondrej Certik" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi Ondrej, > > Nope, it does not work for example on OSX. With a python 2.5.2 on > > I don't understand the OSX problems about universal/non universal > python (ucs2 vs ucs4 surely can be fixed). > > > Linux x86 and x86 it should

[sage-devel] Re: Package management and versioning

2008-07-20 Thread William Stein
On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 11:39 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi folks, > > Looking at the way that sage builds and installs its packages, I > didn't see an easy way to remove an optional package (say in case it > breaks something, or you don't need it anymore) ; has it been >

[sage-devel] Re: sage + py.test fails

2008-07-20 Thread William Stein
On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 11:23 PM, mabshoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > On Jul 20, 1:22 pm, "Ondrej Certik" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Hi Ondrej, > >> > Nope, it does not work for example on OSX. With a python 2.5.2 on >> >> I don't understand the OSX problems about universal/non un

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 3.0.6.alpha0 released

2008-07-20 Thread Andrzej Giniewicz
Hi, it still breaks on -O3 and -O2 iirc as when I tested... it should be lowered to -O1 to work always, anyway adding only those 2 mentioned earlier flags (-fno-crossjumping -fno-reorder-blocks) makes it work, I though rather about looking for what compiler versions it fails and patching it in th

[sage-devel] Re: sage + py.test fails

2008-07-20 Thread mabshoff
On Jul 20, 11:20 am, "Ondrej Certik" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 6:38 PM, mabshoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi Ondrej, > > But even then it will only be a question of time until something else > > blows up. That is why I strictly refuse to support Sage being used i

[sage-devel] Re: CUDA and Sage

2008-07-20 Thread Glenn Tarbox
On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 09:54:39 -0700, mabshoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Jul 20, 9:21 am, Simon Beaumont <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi Simon, > >> I am just about to embark on integrating come CUDA libraries into >> sage. I was not sure of the best route to go - I am considering the >>

[sage-devel] Re: marketing strategy [was: sagemath.org website info #2]

2008-07-20 Thread Harald Schilly
On Jul 20, 10:02 pm, "William Stein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > ... I think you and > I should put together an application. > > I saw absolutely nothing on that google grants page that was against > open source software.  ... Ok, great, i'd like to help with that in any possible way (except w

[sage-devel] Re: CUDA and Sage

2008-07-20 Thread Simon Beaumont
Thanks Michael - that's a very good heads up - I'll take some time to digest the issues and get working on an approach that makes sense for the widest community - we want a well supported capability with a future. It is my opinion (in spite of current 32bit floats - though I think the Tesla h/

[sage-devel] Re: Draft Sage description for Debian

2008-07-20 Thread Timothy G Abbott
There is a "sage" source package, which builds the library packages libsage2 and libsage-dev. In theory, I could try to be sneaky and take "sage" as the binary package with "sagemath" as the source package name, but I suspect I would not get away with it. -Tim Abbott On Sun, 20 Jul 2

[sage-devel] Re: sage + py.test fails

2008-07-20 Thread Ondrej Certik
On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 10:02 PM, mabshoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > On Jul 20, 11:20 am, "Ondrej Certik" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 6:38 PM, mabshoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Hi Ondrej, > >> > But even then it will only be a question of time until so

[sage-devel] Re: Draft Sage description for Debian

2008-07-20 Thread Ondrej Certik
On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 10:54 PM, Tim Abbott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm getting the point in the Debianization of Sage that I'm primarily > working on the package for Sage itself (rather than its dependencies). > Below is my current draft description for the Debian Sage package > (i.e. > t

[sage-devel] Re: units, was: Suggestion components to add onto SAGE

2008-07-20 Thread William Stein
On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 8:36 PM, Robert Dodier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > William Stein wrote: > >> The justification for ConvertAll would be exactly the justification for us to >> *not* use it in Sage, i.e., for Sage unit conversion we would surely want >> something that works well in the con

[sage-devel] Re: Geogebra license

2008-07-20 Thread William Stein
> Looking at the GeoGebra license at > http://www.geogebra.org/download/license.txt > it says: > > 1) GeoGebra Installer, Language and Documentation Files License: > Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-NoDerivs 3.0 > > 2) GeoGebra Application and Source Code License: > GNU General Publ

[sage-devel] Re: sagemath.org website info #2

2008-07-20 Thread mabshoff
On Jul 19, 11:53 pm, "Dr. David Kirkby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Jul 19, 11:38 pm, mabshoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi, > > On Jul 19, 2:45 am, "Dr. David Kirkby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > On 18 Jul, 20:33, "Harald Schilly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > 12) O

[sage-devel] Re: marketing strategy [was: sagemath.org website info #2]

2008-07-20 Thread William Stein
On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 6:05 PM, Harald Schilly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Jul 20, 5:41 pm, "William Stein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Yep, though let's not reject the possibility of paid advertising. >> For example, I'm paying a little so there will be a Sage booth >> at the AMS meeti

[sage-devel] Re: CUDA and Sage

2008-07-20 Thread William Stein
On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 6:21 PM, Simon Beaumont <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I am just about to embark on integrating come CUDA libraries into > sage. I was not sure of the best route to go - I am considering the > pycuda libraries as a starting point - this a pure kernel approach - I > but woul

[sage-devel] Re: marketing strategy [was: sagemath.org website info #2]

2008-07-20 Thread Harald Schilly
On Jul 20, 5:41 pm, "William Stein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yep, though let's not reject the possibility of paid advertising. > For example, I'm paying a little so there will be a Sage booth > at the AMS meeting in DC.  That's paid advertising in some sense. > Yes, it is in some way, but in

[sage-devel] units, was: Suggestion components to add onto SAGE

2008-07-20 Thread Robert Dodier
William Stein wrote: > The justification for ConvertAll would be exactly the justification for us to > *not* use it in Sage, i.e., for Sage unit conversion we would surely want > something that works well in the context of sage itself, e.g., the coercion > model, symbolic calculus, etc. FWIW I'v

[sage-devel] Re: sagemath.org website info #2

2008-07-20 Thread mabshoff
On Jul 20, 9:43 am, "Dr. David Kirkby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Jul 20, 10:03 am, mabshoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi David, > > Ok, we had some discussions off list about Solaris support in general > > and back then the possibility of setting up a Sparc with Solaris 8 > > came up, s

[sage-devel] Re: marketing strategy [was: sagemath.org website info #2]

2008-07-20 Thread Harald Schilly
On Jul 20, 5:28 pm, "William Stein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Harald, are you personally considering > spending some of your own money on advertising Sage? oh no, don't worry, i have no money ;) i got some virtual money as a "teaser" or something else to play with. so i try to spend it wisely

[sage-devel] Re: CUDA and Sage

2008-07-20 Thread mabshoff
On Jul 20, 9:21 am, Simon Beaumont <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi Simon, > I am just about to embark on integrating come CUDA libraries into > sage. I was not sure of the best route to go - I am considering the > pycuda libraries as a starting point - this a pure kernel approach - I > but would a

[sage-devel] Re: sage + py.test fails

2008-07-20 Thread mabshoff
On Jul 20, 8:20 am, "Ondrej Certik" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 4:48 PM, William Stein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi, > BTW, here is another creepy thing, that maybe is a bug in Sage: > > $ gedit > gedit: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libxml2.so.2: undefined symbol: gz

[sage-devel] Re: sagemath.org website info #2

2008-07-20 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
On Jul 20, 10:03 am, mabshoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ok, we had some discussions off list about Solaris support in general > and back then the possibility of setting up a Sparc with Solaris 8 > came up, so I could have "my own" box to do the port. I've very rarely to seen Solaris 8 mention

[sage-devel] Re: sage + py.test fails

2008-07-20 Thread Ondrej Certik
On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 5:45 PM, William Stein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> There must be a way to get this fixed, so that Sage can be used as a >> library and it can use it's own compiled libs, but it will not force >> the rest of the system to use them. Or there isn't? > > There pretty much i

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 3.0.6.alpha0 released

2008-07-20 Thread mabshoff
On Jul 19, 10:01 am, "Andrzej Giniewicz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > after some sniffing around, I noticed that for me (see bottom of mail > for gcc version) techyon needs to be compiled with "make linux" (with > disabled threads) or with "-fno-crossjumping -fno-reorder-blocks" > added

[sage-devel] Re: sage + py.test fails

2008-07-20 Thread William Stein
On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 4:48 PM, William Stein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 4:34 PM, Ondrej Certik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> If you're using the system-wide python why does Sage's copy of >>> IPython have anything to do with anything?I guess I'm basically >>> askin

[sage-devel] Re: sage + py.test fails

2008-07-20 Thread William Stein
> There must be a way to get this fixed, so that Sage can be used as a > library and it can use it's own compiled libs, but it will not force > the rest of the system to use them. Or there isn't? There pretty much isn't. However you can maybe do: sage: os.system('unset LD_LIBRARY_PATH; gedit

[sage-devel] Python question or Sage question...

2008-07-20 Thread Thierry Dumont
I have posted some time ago some messages about ldap identification I want to put in Sage... It is not so easy as I could imagine: Sage relies on "twisted" (and may be on some parts of Zope -am I wrong?- to do this); may be what I want to do is not very complicated but I am lost in "twisted",

[sage-devel] Re: sage + py.test fails

2008-07-20 Thread Ondrej Certik
On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 5:20 PM, Ondrej Certik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 4:48 PM, William Stein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 4:34 PM, Ondrej Certik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: If you're using the system-wide python why does Sage's copy of

[sage-devel] Re: sage + py.test fails

2008-07-20 Thread Ondrej Certik
On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 4:48 PM, William Stein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 4:34 PM, Ondrej Certik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> If you're using the system-wide python why does Sage's copy of >>> IPython have anything to do with anything?I guess I'm basically >>> ask

[sage-devel] Re: marketing strategy [was: sagemath.org website info #2]

2008-07-20 Thread William Stein
On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 5:16 PM, Harald Schilly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 16:55, Dr. David Kirkby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> What they do not show, which is probably the >> more useful, is keyword searches which did not cause someone to click >> a link to sage, but

[sage-devel] Re: Geogebra license

2008-07-20 Thread William Stein
On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 4:11 PM, Dr. David Kirkby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > On Jul 20, 12:57 pm, "William Stein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Geogebra code is licensed GPL according to their page. But they >> also claim that Geogebra is free "for noncommercial use only". >> These two

[sage-devel] Re: marketing strategy [was: sagemath.org website info #2]

2008-07-20 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
On Jul 20, 1:43 pm, Harald Schilly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > me either, but what i mean is to promote sage on google.com (the right > column of sponsored links). from my last analysis, the market for the > keyword "mathematica" is too expensive, so i'll first have to find > good keywords. for

[sage-devel] Re: sage + py.test fails

2008-07-20 Thread William Stein
On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 4:34 PM, Ondrej Certik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> If you're using the system-wide python why does Sage's copy of >> IPython have anything to do with anything?I guess I'm basically >> asking why you are having to program around a problem with >> Ipython in order to do

[sage-devel] Re: Geogebra license

2008-07-20 Thread William Stein
On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 4:11 PM, Dr. David Kirkby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I assumed you knew yourself, so did not wish to waste time downloading > it to tell you something you already knew. With hindsight, it would > have been better to downloaded and checked myself. > > However, I later did downloa

[sage-devel] Re: sage + py.test fails

2008-07-20 Thread Ondrej Certik
On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 4:05 PM, William Stein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 3:57 PM, Ondrej Certik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 1:36 PM, William Stein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>> On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 10:44 PM, Ondrej Certik <[EMAIL PR

[sage-devel] Re: Geogebra license

2008-07-20 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
On Jul 20, 12:57 pm, "William Stein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Geogebra code is licensed GPL according to their page.  But they > also claim that Geogebra is free "for noncommercial use only". > These two statements are mutually incompatible as I mentioned > before. I did not see that. I wo

[sage-devel] Re: sage + py.test fails

2008-07-20 Thread William Stein
On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 3:57 PM, Ondrej Certik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 1:36 PM, William Stein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 10:44 PM, Ondrej Certik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> when testing sage 3.0.5 using py.test, sage f

[sage-devel] Re: sage + py.test fails

2008-07-20 Thread Ondrej Certik
On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 1:36 PM, William Stein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 10:44 PM, Ondrej Certik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> when testing sage 3.0.5 using py.test, sage fails to import, because >> it's using input (?) stream's write and flush methods: >

[sage-devel] Re: Suggestion components to add onto SAGE

2008-07-20 Thread William Stein
>>> It seems that SAGE is also missing a geometry sketchpad component. It >>> would be nice to add the GPLed 2D/3D geometry sketchpad program known >>> as Geogebra (http://www.geogebra.org). >> >> This has been discussed before. I think it has serious licensing >> incompatibility issues and also

[sage-devel] Re: marketing strategy [was: sagemath.org website info #2]

2008-07-20 Thread Harald Schilly
On Jul 20, 9:12 am, "Dr. David Kirkby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Jul 19, 8:31 pm, Harald Schilly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm not sure if there is something to be said for updating a site > frequently. I'm telling google and yahoo about important sites using the sitemap protocol: http

[sage-devel] Re: Geogebra license

2008-07-20 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
On 20 Jul, 11:06, "William Stein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Markus, > > The Geogebra download page says "You are free to copy, distribute and > transmit GeoGebra for non-commercial purposes. Please see the GeoGebra > license for details." The license itself on code is according to the > lic

[sage-devel] Re: sage + py.test fails

2008-07-20 Thread William Stein
On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 10:44 PM, Ondrej Certik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi, > > when testing sage 3.0.5 using py.test, sage fails to import, because > it's using input (?) stream's write and flush methods: I don't know what py.test is, but do you really need to use the IPython interface to

[sage-devel] Re: Geogebra license

2008-07-20 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
On 20 Jul, 11:06, "William Stein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Markus, > > The Geogebra download page says "You are free to copy, distribute and > transmit GeoGebra for non-commercial purposes. Please see the GeoGebra > license for details." The license itself on code is according to the > l

[sage-devel] Geogebra license

2008-07-20 Thread William Stein
Hi Markus, The Geogebra download page says "You are free to copy, distribute and transmit GeoGebra for non-commercial purposes. Please see the GeoGebra license for details." The license itself on code is according to the license:"GeoGebra's source code is subject to the GNU General Public Licens

[sage-devel] Re: Suggestion components to add onto SAGE

2008-07-20 Thread William Stein
On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 2:44 AM, Jason Grout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > David Joyner wrote: >> On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 6:10 PM, q10 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> Hello: >>> >>> It has come to my attention that SAGE does not have a units-conversion >>> program component (maybe it has; if it do

[sage-devel] Re: Python question or Sage question...

2008-07-20 Thread William Stein
2008/7/19 Thierry Dumont <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I have posted some time ago some messages about ldap identification I > want to put in Sage... > > It is not so easy as I could imagine: Sage relies on "twisted" (and may > be on some parts of Zope -am I wrong?- to do this); 1. Sage *only* uses Twi

[sage-devel] Re: Coercion merge, 3.0.6, 3.1 and 3.1.1

2008-07-20 Thread mabshoff
On Jul 20, 12:20 am, Robert Bradshaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Jul 19, 2008, at 7:09 AM, mabshoff wrote: > > Hello folks, Hi, > > due to the ssmod and the gfe2 bug in Sage we really want to have a > > stable release out by Wednesday when William gives his talk at ISSAC. > > Since we don

[sage-devel] Re: Coercion merge, 3.0.6, 3.1 and 3.1.1

2008-07-20 Thread Robert Bradshaw
On Jul 19, 2008, at 7:09 AM, mabshoff wrote: > > Hello folks, > > due to the ssmod and the gfe2 bug in Sage we really want to have a > stable release out by Wednesday when William gives his talk at ISSAC. > Since we don't want to cut it too short that means that I just moved > all but the above t

[sage-devel] Re: marketing strategy [was: sagemath.org website info #2]

2008-07-20 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
On Jul 19, 8:31 pm, Harald Schilly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, this sounds more than marketing for me, so i've changed the > subject. > > On Jul 19, 11:45 am, "Dr. David Kirkby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > I think the homepage could be more search engine friendly, which > > should he

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 3.0.6.alpha0 released

2008-07-20 Thread William Stein
On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 3:04 PM, Andrzej Giniewicz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi again, > > was trying to track that segfault in tachyon doctest, it happens > during show(t) in "texture" example, that's in: > > t = Tachyon(camera_center=(2,5,4), look_at=(2,0,0), raydepth=6) > t.light((10,3,4),