[sage-devel] Re: singular-3.0.2-20070506-2226 compile failure on cygwin

2007-05-06 Thread mabshoff
> > Both fixed in: > > /home/malb/pkgs/singular-3-0-2-20070507-0123.spkg > > IIRC Nick reported that the libsingular stuff works on OSX/PPC for him, so > this spkg should _build_ on all SAGE supported platforms. Reports are very > welcome. I think there is an issue when importing (to SAGE) libs

[sage-devel] Re: sage-2.5.alpha3

2007-05-06 Thread mabshoff
On May 7, 7:45 am, "William Stein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 5/6/07, cwitty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > I've posted sage-2.5.alpha3 here: > > > >http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/was/sage2.5/ > > > > Feedback is welcome. > > > On my machine running Debian testing, plottin

[sage-devel] Re: sage-2.5.alpha3

2007-05-06 Thread William Stein
On 5/6/07, cwitty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I've posted sage-2.5.alpha3 here: > > > >http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/was/sage2.5/ > > > > Feedback is welcome. > > On my machine running Debian testing, plotting-related tests fail with > messages like: > > libpng error: Incompatible li

[sage-devel] Re: sage-2.5.alpha3

2007-05-06 Thread cwitty
On May 6, 9:24 am, "William Stein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello, > > I've posted sage-2.5.alpha3 here: > >http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/was/sage2.5/ > > Feedback is welcome. On my machine running Debian testing, plotting-related tests fail with messages like: libpng error: Incom

[sage-devel] Re: sage-2.5.alpha3

2007-05-06 Thread didier deshommes
All tests pass on my machine, a Centrino running ubuntu feisty: didier On 5/6/07, William Stein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hello, > > I've posted sage-2.5.alpha3 here: > >http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/was/sage2.5/ > > Feedback is welcome. This still won't build on OS X PowerPC o

[sage-devel] building alpha2 on Mac OS X PPC

2007-05-06 Thread Nick Alexander
Hi sage-devel, Eventually I got alpha2 to build on PPC. Martin Albrecht and I discussed several small fixes to get Singular and libsingular building on OS X; most of those are in his package. I also needed this to build: export DYLD_LIBRARY_PATH=/Users/nalexand/sage/local/lib ; ./gentable I h

[sage-devel] Re: singular-3.0.2-20070506-2226 compile failure on cygwin

2007-05-06 Thread Martin Albrecht
On Sunday 06 May 2007 23:29, mabshoff wrote: > Hello, > > Latest package is at > http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/malb/pkgs/singular-3-0-2-20070506-2226 >.spkg > > There are two small problem: There are some garbage characters at line > 2 in Singular/Makefile.in

[sage-devel] Re: Fwd: Fwd: [sage-forum] String-integer coercion

2007-05-06 Thread William Stein
On Sunday 06 May 2007 4:14 pm, Timothy Clemans wrote: > I'm completely sorry. This is related to a fixed body with to center > the content-body. I won't be using it. There are over 130 subscribers to sage-devel. You're posting way too much to the list right now. Email Justin directly, etc.

[sage-devel] Re: Fwd: Fwd: [sage-forum] String-integer coercion

2007-05-06 Thread Timothy Clemans
I'm completely sorry. This is related to a fixed body with to center the content-body. I won't be using it. On 5/6/07, Justin C. Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On May 6, 2007, at 15:45 , Timothy Clemans wrote: > > > > > Oh so it is not resizing correctly. Thank you for the screenshot. I >

[sage-devel] Re: web page redesign

2007-05-06 Thread mabshoff
Hello, > To be clear, it's the way the 'a' and 'g' are joined, together with > the 'type face', that makes for a complex visual experience (:-}), at > least for me. I think the idea can be maintained, if the visual > aspect is modified slightly. But again, since I'm a part-time > engineer with

[sage-devel] Re: web page redesign

2007-05-06 Thread Justin C. Walker
On May 6, 2007, at 14:35 , Timothy Clemans wrote: > > The two column navigation table is very confusing to me. A lot of this discussion is about aesthetics, for which there are no easy answers when reasonable men agree to bicker :-} For me, the table is not confusing at all. > I think tha

[sage-devel] Re: web page redesign

2007-05-06 Thread William Stein
On Sunday 06 May 2007 3:49 pm, Justin C. Walker wrote: > > I agree. I actually changed it back already (try "refresh" in your > > browser). > > Much better :-} > > A point I meant to bring up earlier, and forgot (Tim's site reminded > me): do you want to keep SAGE as an acronym, or let it stand

[sage-devel] Re: web page redesign

2007-05-06 Thread Justin C. Walker
On May 6, 2007, at 15:20 , William Stein wrote: > > On 5/6/07, Justin C. Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On May 6, 2007, at 13:57 , William Stein wrote: > I agree. I actually changed it back already (try "refresh" in your > browser). Much better :-} A point I meant to bring up earlier,

[sage-devel] Re: Fwd: Fwd: [sage-forum] String-integer coercion

2007-05-06 Thread Timothy Clemans
Oh so it is not resizing correctly. Thank you for the screenshot. I had no idea that this sort of thing happened and it does happen for me. Can you make a screenshot of William's design for me? On 5/6/07, Justin C. Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On May 6, 2007, at 14:38 , Timothy Clemans w

[sage-devel] Re: web page redesign

2007-05-06 Thread William Stein
On 5/6/07, Justin C. Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On May 6, 2007, at 13:57 , William Stein wrote: > The rest may be fussing with details, but, being part engineer, > fussing comes naturally: Thanks. :-) >- I think putting the "Download/.." box above the sage logo and > tag doesn

[sage-devel] Re: web page redesign

2007-05-06 Thread Bobby Moretti
On 5/6/07, Timothy Clemans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > The two column navigation table is very confusing to me. This might be a valid point. It's definitely not done very often. I think that > web design has taken over content, which is pretty sad. Huh? The Sympy, > Octave, and GMP site

[sage-devel] Re: Fwd: Fwd: [sage-forum] String-integer coercion

2007-05-06 Thread Timothy Clemans
Can you make a screenshot of my version in Safari. I only have IE and Firefox. On 5/6/07, Justin C. Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On May 6, 2007, at 24:37 , William Stein wrote: > [snip] > > (1) do the pages look: > > -- visually appealing > > -- simple and clean > > --

[sage-devel] Re: sage-2.5.alpha3

2007-05-06 Thread mabshoff
On May 6, 9:39 pm, Jaap Spies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > William Stein wrote: > > Hello, > > > I've posted sage-2.5.alpha3 here: A couple issues from cygwin from alpha2. I am not sure that the two build patches I posted today are in alpha3, so I will postpone building alpha3 until tomorrow.

[sage-devel] Re: web page redesign

2007-05-06 Thread Timothy Clemans
The two column navigation table is very confusing to me. I think that web design has taken over content, which is pretty sad. The Sympy, Octave, and GMP sites are all good, because they provide all a lot of content in a clean web design. So while you guys don't use lists and css with them and use

[sage-devel] singular-3.0.2-20070506-2226 compile failure on cygwin

2007-05-06 Thread mabshoff
Hello, Latest package is at http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/malb/pkgs/singular-3-0-2-20070506-2226.spkg There are two small problem: There are some garbage characters at line 2 in Singular/Makefile.in. delete those. Also: change the ix86-Win directive in Singular/Makefile.in to something

[sage-devel] Re: web page redesign

2007-05-06 Thread Justin C. Walker
On May 6, 2007, at 13:57 , William Stein wrote: > > Hello, > > I've significantly modified > > http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/was/rc/web/ > > based on many people's extensive (and greatly > appreciated!) feedback. I like it. The rest may be fussing with details, but, being part enginee

[sage-devel] Re: web page redesign

2007-05-06 Thread William Stein
On 5/6/07, Mike Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Looking good. There should be a bit more space above the "Download > SAGE for ..." heading. Thanks. Fixed. > Do we have a vector version of the logo or > just a larger version that we can scale up so that it's not dominated > by the text b

[sage-devel] Re: web page redesign

2007-05-06 Thread Mike Hansen
Looking good. There should be a bit more space above the "Download SAGE for ..." heading. Do we have a vector version of the logo or just a larger version that we can scale up so that it's not dominated by the text below? --Mike On 5/6/07, William Stein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hello, >

[sage-devel] Re: web page redesign

2007-05-06 Thread William Stein
Hello, I've significantly modified http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/was/rc/web/ based on many people's extensive (and greatly appreciated!) feedback.More feedback would be appreciated, though I think it's converging, and I have a lot of papers to grade :-). William --~--~-~-

[sage-devel] Re: web page redesign

2007-05-06 Thread Martin Albrecht
On Sunday 06 May 2007 21:42, Yi Qiang wrote: > On May 6, 2007, at 10:41 AM, William Stein wrote: > > On 5/6/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> I like it a lot. I have a few aesthetic complaints: > >> > >> 1) Use the logo Alex designed. > > I couldn't help myself: > > > http://

[sage-devel] Re: web page redesign

2007-05-06 Thread David Harvey
I'm starting to agree with some people on this list, maybe the Big Four links in the middle are simply unnecessary. The menu at the top is pretty short and sweet. I think people can probably find what they want there. BTW the latest iteration is looking pretty gorgeous. David --~--~

[sage-devel] Re: web page redesign

2007-05-06 Thread Yi Qiang
On May 6, 2007, at 10:41 AM, William Stein wrote: > > On 5/6/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I like it a lot. I have a few aesthetic complaints: >> >> 1) Use the logo Alex designed. I couldn't help myself: http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/yqiang/media/sage2.5.png Ch

[sage-devel] Re: sage-2.5.alpha3

2007-05-06 Thread Jaap Spies
William Stein wrote: > Hello, > > I've posted sage-2.5.alpha3 here: > >http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/was/sage2.5/ > > Feedback is welcome. This still won't build on OS X PowerPC or > Cygwin, but should build on Linux and Intel OS X and pass "make test" > there. Also, it should hav

[sage-devel] Re: Fwd: Fwd: [sage-forum] String-integer coercion

2007-05-06 Thread Justin C. Walker
On May 6, 2007, at 24:37 , William Stein wrote: [snip] > (1) do the pages look: > -- visually appealing > -- simple and clean > -- convey all the necessary information (i.e., I'm not missing > key things that used to be there) Overall, it looks good. I think it's worth

[sage-devel] Re: web page redesign

2007-05-06 Thread David Harvey
On May 6, 2007, at 2:08 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > +1 > > >> One option might be: put the logo where the "SAGE" is now, and then >> on the next line, instead of >> >> Free Open Source Mathematics Software >> >> do >> >> SAGE: Free Open Source Mathematics Software A few more comments...

[sage-devel] Re: web page redesign

2007-05-06 Thread boothby
+1 > One option might be: put the logo where the "SAGE" is now, and then > on the next line, instead of > > Free Open Source Mathematics Software > > do > > SAGE: Free Open Source Mathematics Software --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to s

[sage-devel] Re: web page redesign

2007-05-06 Thread David Harvey
On May 6, 2007, at 1:41 PM, William Stein wrote: > > On 5/6/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I like it a lot. I have a few aesthetic complaints: >> >> 1) Use the logo Alex designed. > > Where? In place of a screen shot? I'm not putting it at the top > instead > of the sim

[sage-devel] Re: web page redesign

2007-05-06 Thread William Stein
On 5/6/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I like it a lot. I have a few aesthetic complaints: > > 1) Use the logo Alex designed. Where? In place of a screen shot? I'm not putting it at the top instead of the simple text word "SAGE" since many people have told me it is hard to a

[sage-devel] Re: web page redesign

2007-05-06 Thread boothby
I like it a lot. I have a few aesthetic complaints: 1) Use the logo Alex designed. 2) I don't like 3 of the screenshots. symbolic.png has too big of fonts; makes it ugly fortress.png and 37a.png are old! The notebook doesn't look like that anymore. 3) Center the car -- it looks funny

[sage-devel] sage-2.5.alpha3

2007-05-06 Thread William Stein
Hello, I've posted sage-2.5.alpha3 here: http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/was/sage2.5/ Feedback is welcome. This still won't build on OS X PowerPC or Cygwin, but should build on Linux and Intel OS X and pass "make test" there. Also, it should have most code that people have sent me fo

[sage-devel] Re: 2.5.0alpha2: sympow trouble on cygwin

2007-05-06 Thread William Stein
On 5/6/07, mabshoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > There is one other thing that I know of that breaks on cygwin, which is > > one point-count example on an elliptic curve over a finite field (PARI > > fails in this case). > > Interesting. Do you have the pari input so that I could have a look at

[sage-devel] Re: 2.5.0alpha2: sympow trouble on cygwin

2007-05-06 Thread mabshoff
On May 6, 5:33 pm, "William Stein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 5/6/07, mabshoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hello, > > > While libsubgular now passes the tests on cygwin sympow does not. The > > are more failing tests, but this one is the first I got around to: > Sorry, libsingular sti

[sage-devel] Re: 2.5.0alpha2: sympow trouble on cygwin

2007-05-06 Thread William Stein
On 5/6/07, mabshoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > While libsubgular now passes the tests on cygwin sympow does not. The > are more failing tests, but this one is the first I got around to: You should feel free to not worry too much about this, since: (1) Sympow has never worked on cygwin.

[sage-devel] Re: web page redesign

2007-05-06 Thread William Stein
On 5/6/07, David Joyner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I like it. I think links at the top are convenient. I would include > a components link, as I personally think the main webpage should > acknowledge GAP, PARI, etc. (In fact, on the SAGE authors page > http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/was/rc

[sage-devel] Re: buglet in maxima list

2007-05-06 Thread Michel
After sleeping on it feel even more strongly about zero based indexing. Otherwise the semantics of slicing would depend on the context and lead to confusion. As said by others, consistency is very important for a CAS. A user should not have to know where a listlike object comes from to be able to

[sage-devel] Re: Fwd: Fwd: [sage-forum] String-integer coercion

2007-05-06 Thread didier deshommes
I've only looked at the frontpage... I'm wondering if it would not be better to merge the 2 sets of links : "Use SAGE Online! (alternate) | Live Tutorial | Download | Documentation |" and """ DownloadDocumentation Live Tutorial Mailing Lists, etc """ into one big one. The second set o

[sage-devel] 2.5.0alpha2: sympow trouble on cygwin

2007-05-06 Thread mabshoff
While libsubgular now passes the tests on cygwin sympow does not. The are more failing tests, but this one is the first I got around to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] /SYMPOW-1.019 $ /sage-2.5.alpha2/local/bin/sympow sympow 1.018 RELEASE (c) Mark Watkins -**ERROR** QD_check failed at x[1] When I build the

[sage-devel] Re: website redesign

2007-05-06 Thread William Stein
Dear David Harvey, Many thanks for you detailed comments. I agree with all of them, and made all the changes you suggest to http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/was/rc/web/index.html I'm glad you like the clean and straightforward layout of the new page. -- William Stein Associate Professo

[sage-devel] Re: web page redesign

2007-05-06 Thread mabshoff
> > In terms of missing information, I've heard several complaints that it > is too hard to figure out how to install the windows version. > For example, athttp://www.sagemath.org/SAGEbin/microsoft_windows/cygwin/ > there is no zip file, so most people cannot uncompress it. > One possible solution

[sage-devel] Re: 2.5.0alpha2: compile fix for quaddouble on cygwin

2007-05-06 Thread mabshoff
Ok, real_rqdf.pyx also needs a fix: http://fsmath.mathematik.uni-dortmund.de/~mabshoff/patches/sage-2.5.0-alpha2-add-NAN-and-INIFINITY-on-cygwin.patch because NAN and INFINITY are undefined on cygwin. With that patch I got 2.5.0alpha2 to compile and start on cygwin. I am currently with Martin

[sage-devel] 2.5.0alpha2: compile fix for quaddouble on cygwin

2007-05-06 Thread mabshoff
Hello, isnan and isinf aren't available, so just declare them extern "C" just like on MacOSX. Patch is available at http://fsmath.mathematik.uni-dortmund.de/~mabshoff/patches/sage-2.5.0-alpha2-fix-quaddouble-on-cygwin.patch Cheers, Michael --~--~-~--~~~---~--~

[sage-devel] Re: web page redesign

2007-05-06 Thread David Joyner
I like it. I think links at the top are convenient. I would include a components link, as I personally think the main webpage should acknowledge GAP, PARI, etc. (In fact, on the SAGE authors page http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/was/rc/web/ack.html it would be nice to add a link to the GAP aut

[sage-devel] Re: website redesign

2007-05-06 Thread Timothy Clemans
Oh ok. I was trying to build a very clean site that gave detailed information about SAGE. I don't like William's new site, because it appears to have very little info about SAGE. With mine, a user will be able to click on say algebra or calculus and see a page on calculus in SAGE. The GMP and Octa

[sage-devel] Re: website redesign

2007-05-06 Thread David Harvey
On May 6, 2007, at 8:15 AM, Timothy Clemans wrote: > I know all I was trying to do was show that I was working on it and > what it looked liked so far. I don't know why they are linking that > way since it is not in my code and I have tried to fix that. Those > pages do not exist yet, but why bo

[sage-devel] Re: website redesign

2007-05-06 Thread Timothy Clemans
It was a problem with my editor. Sorry about it. No other pages exist yet. I did state this was a work in progress. I just started soon after William's e-mail. On 5/6/07, Timothy Clemans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I know all I was trying to do was show that I was working on it and > what it loo

[sage-devel] Re: website redesign

2007-05-06 Thread Timothy Clemans
I know all I was trying to do was show that I was working on it and what it looked liked so far. I don't know why they are linking that way since it is not in my code and I have tried to fix that. Those pages do not exist yet, but why bother if someone just says no. On 5/6/07, mabshoff <[EMAIL PR

[sage-devel] Re: website redesign

2007-05-06 Thread mabshoff
Also: the links to local pages are on your disc, i.e. file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Timothy/My%20Documents/developer_names.html Cheers, Michael --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from thi

[sage-devel] Re: website redesign

2007-05-06 Thread Timothy Clemans
Uh? On 5/6/07, David Harvey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On May 6, 2007, at 7:59 AM, Timothy Clemans wrote: > > > It is taking me along time to get much but what I have so far is at > > http://tclemans.nonlogic.org/sage/ > > No. > > David > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~--

[sage-devel] Re: website redesign

2007-05-06 Thread David Harvey
On May 6, 2007, at 7:59 AM, Timothy Clemans wrote: > It is taking me along time to get much but what I have so far is at > http://tclemans.nonlogic.org/sage/ No. David --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To un

[sage-devel] Re: website redesign

2007-05-06 Thread Timothy Clemans
It is taking me along time to get much but what I have so far is at http://tclemans.nonlogic.org/sage/ On 5/6/07, David Harvey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On May 6, 2007, at 3:37 AM, William Stein wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > I'm doing a redesign of the SAGE website to target SAGE much > > m

[sage-devel] Re: Wrapping C (Symmetrica) with Pyrex/SageX

2007-05-06 Thread Martin Albrecht
On Sunday 06 May 2007 13:20, Mike Hansen wrote: > Thanks. It's coming along slowly but surely. Symmetrica uses macros > (as functions) pretty extensively. Is there a way in Pyrex/SageX to > have it treat something like a macro or do you just have to declare it > like a function? You just treat

[sage-devel] Re: website redesign

2007-05-06 Thread David Harvey
On May 6, 2007, at 3:37 AM, William Stein wrote: > > Hi, > > I'm doing a redesign of the SAGE website to target SAGE much > more at end users rather than developers (I think the tipping > point has now arrived, since about 500 people downloaded > SAGE in the last two weeks...) Anyways, your com

[sage-devel] Re: Wrapping C (Symmetrica) with Pyrex/SageX

2007-05-06 Thread Mike Hansen
Thanks. It's coming along slowly but surely. Symmetrica uses macros (as functions) pretty extensively. Is there a way in Pyrex/SageX to have it treat something like a macro or do you just have to declare it like a function? --Mike On 5/6/07, Robert Bradshaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > That

[sage-devel] Re: Fwd: Fwd: [sage-forum] String-integer coercion

2007-05-06 Thread Timothy Clemans
Much better but still confusing and the screen seems very busy. I don't like the two sets of links. I can get a pure css version of it up soon. SAGE is not an alternative to Mathematica and Maple yet. It does not run under Windows natively so it is best to say that it runs under Cygwin well. Link

[sage-devel] Fwd: Fwd: [sage-forum] String-integer coercion

2007-05-06 Thread William Stein
Hi, I'm doing a redesign of the SAGE website to target SAGE much more at end users rather than developers (I think the tipping point has now arrived, since about 500 people downloaded SAGE in the last two weeks...) Anyways, your comments on the mockup here would be welcome: http://sage.math.w

[sage-devel] Re: buglet in maxima list

2007-05-06 Thread David Roe
To some extent I agree. I think what pushed me to the other side is that if you're having to use an index such an object in the first place, you already have had to put the effort into learning that package. And for those people who know the package well and not SAGE well, preserving the native i

[sage-devel] Re: Wrapping C (Symmetrica) with Pyrex/SageX

2007-05-06 Thread Robert Bradshaw
That would be really nice. If it's just plain c code, don't be intimidated by Martin's talk because that's a whole lot easier than trying to wrap c++. Many of the interfaces that I've worked with (givaro, linbox, ntl, qd) are more complicated for this reason... Mostly you should just be abl

[sage-devel] Re: buglet in maxima list

2007-05-06 Thread Nick Alexander
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > +1 for consistency across the board. +1 from me too. I'd like to learn Python and SAGE, not 50+ packages. Nick --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, sen