Re: [RE-wrenches] Delta LA's

2010-09-02 Thread Bill Brooks
David, They are supposed to be mounted outside boxes so that you can clearly see when they have been used up. Sand makes glass that expands and breaks the plastic. They used to be porcelain for the very same reason. If you are concerned about unqualified people coming in contact with conductors

Re: [RE-wrenches] The Demise of Reason

2010-09-12 Thread Bill Brooks
Peter, Be a little more careful in your choice of subjects. You are talking about the SunPower IFF clip. I have not heard this story, but I don't doubt it. There have been significant changes at UL and ETL, the two largest listers of PV modules, in the area of evaluating grounding equipment for PV

Re: [RE-wrenches] The Demise of Reason

2010-09-13 Thread Bill Brooks
ax 323-258-8885 -Original Message- From: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Bill Brooks Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2010 8:50 PM To: 'RE-wrenches' Cc: 'Christopher Flueckiger'; Tim Zgonena Subject: Re: [RE-

Re: [RE-wrenches] The Demise of the Rooftop Solar Tech

2010-09-13 Thread Bill Brooks
Andrew, You make a decent argument, but it is flawed. A tech working on a faulted array removing modules without disabling them is likely to be injured whether or not there is a lug or a clip. The circuit must be disabled before taking loose anything. Not an easy task, but necessary. The argume

Re: [RE-wrenches] The Demise of the WEEB THREAD

2010-09-13 Thread Bill Brooks
Please STOP using this subject heading. It is disrespectful to one manufacturer and is annoying. Call it Array Grounding or anything but this. Bill. ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options &

Re: [RE-wrenches] GEC for Enphase inverters

2010-09-14 Thread Bill Brooks
Mark and Rebekah, The term "continuous" is a requirement for any circuit and implies electrical continuity and current-carrying capability. Both the GEC and EGC must be continuous or you don't got one. It is not defined in NEC Article 100. What most people are referring to when they say tha

Re: [RE-wrenches] PV and Roof Flammability

2010-09-23 Thread Bill Brooks
Joel, The problem is not with the rating of the modules. It is with the way we install them. The air gap is a problem. If HVAC systems were installed like PV modules, they would have the same problem. There will be changes of some sort coming in the next year or so. The IBC in 2012 will require "P

Re: [RE-wrenches] deadly fall off of roof

2010-09-24 Thread Bill Brooks
Marco, The company was purposely not identified. I believe the young man fell through a skylight while moving equipment during construction. Much more likely way to die since most people assume a skylight will bear their weight if they fall against it. Edge of roof falls definitely occur, but s

Re: [RE-wrenches] Solmetric PVA-600 PV Analyser

2010-09-27 Thread Bill Brooks
Benn and Bill, Paul and I got together last week and took a beta unit out to test several arrays at PVUSA. I’m very impressed with the capabilities. It has been a long time coming, but this product will revolutionize how most companies test, analyze, and commission PV systems. Hats off to So

Re: [RE-wrenches] Tranformless inverter

2010-10-01 Thread Bill Brooks
All, Transformerless inverters are simply a subset of ungrounded or resistively grounded PV systems covered by the NEC in 690.35 since the 2005 code cycle. Power-One has been marketing their ungrounded inverter in the U.S. for several years now. It was listed by CSA. The requirements for ung

Re: [RE-wrenches] Tranformless inverter

2010-10-01 Thread Bill Brooks
It has to do with the development of a “double-insulated” conductor needed for ungrounded systems. PV Wire is double-insulated while USE-2 is not tested as double insulated. It is analogous to double-insulated tools in the U.S. that do not require a ground wire. Bill. From: re-wrenches-b

Re: [RE-wrenches] Tranformless inverter

2010-10-07 Thread Bill Brooks
Hans, It is not correct that you will have twice the disconnects necessarily. Most switches require passing through the disconnect twice. This must be done on the one ungrounded conductor for grounded systems, or the two ungrounded conductors with ungrounded systems. It is a circuit and it simply

Re: [RE-wrenches] BAKERSFIELD FIRE former "Target fire"

2010-10-18 Thread Bill Brooks
, it is a large improvement over where we are today. Don’t be surprised if things change about how we do GFPs soon. If I have anything to do with it, it is going to happen. The current hazardous situation, and bad information about the Bakersfield fire, cannot continue. Bill. Bill Brooks

Re: [RE-wrenches] BAKERSFIELD FIRE former "Target fire"

2010-10-19 Thread Bill Brooks
here we are today. Don't be surprised if things change about how we do GFPs soon. If I have anything to do with it, it is going to happen. The current hazardous situation, and bad information about the Bakersfield fire, cannot continue. Bill. Bill Brooks, PE Principal Brooks Engineerin

Re: [RE-wrenches] BAKERSFIELD FIRE

2010-10-19 Thread Bill Brooks
00 PM, Bill Brooks wrote: Ray, The reason I mentioned resistively grounded systems is that anything requires a ground, like SunPower, could use a resistive ground instead of being ungrounded. This solves SunPower polarization issue and is the way many of their systems are installed in E

Re: [RE-wrenches] Mounting Enphase when using S-5-PV Clamps

2010-10-20 Thread Bill Brooks
Benn, If it were me, I would mount rails on the S-5! Clamps so that you can mount the micro-inverters on the rails. It is not good to mount the inverters on the module frames. Although some modules may be able to physically handle it, as you noted, you will probably void the warranty. The weigh

Re: [RE-wrenches] Ground Mount Screening

2010-10-21 Thread Bill Brooks
Drake, I recommend using 4'x8' panels of lattice work that is either wood or PVC so that you don't have worry about grounding the material. It is reasonably attractive and can hide some of the ugly parts of the array. The panels can be held on with battens that screw into the structural member and

Re: [RE-wrenches] Ground Mount Screening

2010-10-21 Thread Bill Brooks
Mark, The fact is you can't legally walk up and touch NM cable anymore. Whenever your house was built, that may have been code compliant, but not since the early 1990s has that been allowed. You may think a wooden lattice work is insufficient protection, but the code disagrees with you as a minimu

Re: [RE-wrenches] Ground Mount Screening

2010-10-22 Thread Bill Brooks
of the system we build. Mark Frye Berkeley Solar Electric Systems 303 Redbud Way Nevada City, CA 95959 (530) 401-8024 www.berkeleysolar.com -Original Message- From: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Bill Brooks Sent: T

Re: [RE-wrenches] Ground Mount Screening

2010-10-22 Thread Bill Brooks
n...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Bill Brooks Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 8:27 AM To: 'RE-wrenches' Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Ground Mount Screening Mark, I certainly was not implying that you were in any way unintelligent. I was merely suggesting that fences or only one means of

Re: [RE-wrenches] 2011 code changes

2010-10-23 Thread Bill Brooks
Rebecca, Although I recommended delaying the implementation of arc-fault detectors, the Code Making Panel felt that the hazard justified the requirement. Article 90.4 clarifies the NEC's approach to your concern: 90.4 (paragraph 3) This Code may require new products, construct

Re: [RE-wrenches] enphase AC carrier length

2010-11-04 Thread Bill Brooks
Jay, It is my understand that the distance is quite far. If neighbors have systems, they have to assign the inverters so they are not counted by the neighboring web interfaces. How far do you need it to run? Bill. -Original Message- From: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto

Re: [RE-wrenches] Another PV fire

2010-11-11 Thread Bill Brooks
William, Apparently this fire was started by miswiring a combiner box. Most likely reverse polarity of a string or whole combiner box feeder at the inverter. Details to come. Bill. From: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On B

Re: [RE-wrenches] Head Spinning..(Con) fused.

2010-11-15 Thread Bill Brooks
Eric, Your concern over shorting the current carrying conductors to a single conductor would require multiple faults-not that this is impossible-but we generally are not required to design for it. Squirrels would probably be the most likely way to cause such an event. Since all four strings

Re: [RE-wrenches] Megger for array testing

2010-11-17 Thread Bill Brooks
Meggerers, Although shorting the terminals to perform the megger tests may provide the most uniform voltage profile, it is difficult to perform on many arrays and adds unnecessary complexity to a test that needs to become routine for all PV installations. The appropriate way to perform the

Re: [RE-wrenches] Megger for array testing

2010-11-18 Thread Bill Brooks
: www.alterisinc.com From: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Bill Brooks Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 9:11 PM To: 'RE-wrenches' Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Megger for array testing Meggerers, Although sho

Re: [RE-wrenches] Wire Management and Panel Claw

2010-12-08 Thread Bill Brooks
Sam, Panel Claw requires conduit to properly protect conductors, particularly row-to-row. I have seen bundling done, but it will not last long. Panel Claw is just one of many companies that do not provide much, if any, wire management strategies. Bill. From: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re

Re: [RE-wrenches] Driving Point Impedance of the Point of Connection of a Grid-tied PV System

2010-12-10 Thread Bill Brooks
Peter, Are you making your measurement before and after the inverter breaker? I believe what you are attributing to the breaker is actually the voltage rise from the service transformer, through the service conductors, through the service panel. A 3-Volt drop is common when adding a 4kW load to a

Re: [RE-wrenches] feed-in imbalance

2010-12-10 Thread Bill Brooks
Marco, All 3-phase services, and single split-phase services has imbalances from time to time. The question of whether the imbalance is problematic depends on the size of the imbalance relative to the service transformer. Since 3-phase services are generally larger, a 10kW phase-to-phase connec

Re: [RE-wrenches] Tranformless inverter

2010-12-10 Thread Bill Brooks
...@luminalt.com> > > *From:*re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org > <mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org> > [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org > <mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org>] *On Behalf Of *Bill > Brook

Re: [RE-wrenches] feed-in imbalance

2010-12-10 Thread Bill Brooks
Jamie, The 6kVA imbalance limit, as you point out, is for 120V/240 split phase services, not 3-phase. It comes from California’s Rule 21 interconnection rules adopted by each California utility. As the technical facilitator of the development of Rule 21, I had a lot to do with the 6kVA numbe

Re: [RE-wrenches] Handy Map for ASHRAE temperatures

2010-12-14 Thread Bill Brooks
Jesse, The map is in degrees C not F and it is for the mean extreme minimum drybulb temperature from the ASHRAE Fundamentals 2009 edition. It is a statistical lowest expected temperature for calculating the maximum voltage of a PV array. Bill. -Original Message- From: re-wrenches-boun..

Re: [RE-wrenches] Xslent?

2011-01-06 Thread Bill Brooks
ow on residential it makes no sense. However for commercial that might have to pay extra for PF issues, to have the inverter adjust for this makes sense. Its the reason they( inverter companies ) are doing it. I"ve heard a better more complete reason of course from Bill Brooks, who maybe can chime

Re: [RE-wrenches] Inverter oversizing

2011-01-19 Thread Bill Brooks
Kent, How often were your data records? To capture edge of cloud effects, you need one-second data. Not many people gather that fast or that much data on inverters. I don't think there is that much energy in these spikes, but they are real and make some difference. 15-minute average data will c

Re: [RE-wrenches] Inverter oversizing

2011-01-19 Thread Bill Brooks
energy to throw my graph off by very much. Kent Osterberg Blue Mountain Solar, Inc. Bill Brooks wrote: Kent, How often were your data records? To capture edge of cloud effects, you need one-second data. Not many people gather that fast or that much data on inverters. I don't thin

Re: [RE-wrenches] Inverter oversizing

2011-01-19 Thread Bill Brooks
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Re: [RE-wrenches] SolarEdge

2011-01-29 Thread Bill Brooks
Any chance for solar resource monitoring to help the data make sense? Irradiance monitoring is necessary to understand performance. Does SolarEdge have that option yet? Bill. -Original Message- From: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.o

Re: [RE-wrenches] Calculation of Maximum Circuit Current

2011-02-11 Thread Bill Brooks
To add to Brian's well formulated response, the 2011 NEC is much more detailed and accurate on this subject. Oversizing wire is not a big deal on residential systems, but it is prohibitively expensive in megawatt jobs. Bill. From: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenche

Re: [RE-wrenches] Calculation of Maximum Circuit Current

2011-02-11 Thread Bill Brooks
Peter and Larry, Brian's post was correct and consistent with the 2011 NEC. It is not correct to apply both 1.25 factors on the dc side. This has been done for years, but it is inconsistent with the rest of the code. Conditions of use are only applied to maximum current-defined by 690.8(A) as r

Re: [RE-wrenches] "Keep that there PV off my grid!"

2011-02-15 Thread Bill Brooks
Karl, What you are referring to is a "reverse power relay." These are common devices used for customer-generators. Basler is one company that makes them. Just google the topic and you will find several companies. The utility may have a preferred product so go with them if they have one. Th

Re: [RE-wrenches] NEC 690.11 - Arc Fault Protection Provision Questions ?

2011-03-02 Thread Bill Brooks
ercial buildings? How about an enclosed MW in a box solution in the middle of a MW power plant, is that a building? I like for example that in the 600V max limitation that it specifies 1 or 2 family dwellings, leaving small & large commercial buildings opportunity to have 1000V systems. Any c

Re: [RE-wrenches] grounding the Enphase inverter

2011-03-03 Thread Bill Brooks
ional electrode, install a j-box at the point near ground-level where the conduit transitions from vertical to horizontal and install an irreversibly spliced bare 6AWG to run from the j-box to a ground rod below the j-box--mildly painful, but very doable. Bill. Bill Brooks, PE Principal Brooks Engine

Re: [RE-wrenches] grounding the Enphase inverter

2011-03-04 Thread Bill Brooks
g] On Behalf Of Bill Brooks Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 10:48 PM To: 'RE-wrenches' Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] grounding the Enphase inverter All, While there is ambiguity in the 2008 NEC in 690.47(C) on the requirements for system grounding of PV systems, the 2011 NEC in 690.47(C) clar

Re: [RE-wrenches] grounding the Enphase inverter

2011-03-04 Thread Bill Brooks
The better question is why is there a solid ground in the inverter. As I stated before-we are talking about system grounding-with 100+ years of electrical history and precedent to back it up. System grounding rules are not open to a lot of discussion. That is why my recommendation since be

Re: [RE-wrenches] grounding the Enphase inverter

2011-03-05 Thread Bill Brooks
@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Bill Brooks Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 5:51 PM To: 'RE-wrenches' Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] grounding the Enphase inverter The better question is why is there a solid ground in the inverter. As I stated before-we are talking about system groun

Re: [RE-wrenches] Fire Access lane for ground mount

2011-03-17 Thread Bill Brooks
Jim, Having taught classes in New Jersey on the subject, I can tell you that the fire service is looking into these types of requirements for ground-mounted systems. The 2012 IFC only includes requirements for buffer areas around the perimeter. Whether a fire truck needs to get around a facilit

Re: [RE-wrenches] NABCEP Stamp

2011-03-30 Thread Bill Brooks
Andrew and Troy, While I can't speak for NABCEP, I would expect that NABCEP should be very opposed to this type of use of their logo. NABCEP does not certify the work that a NABCEP certificant does. They only certify that the installer has met the obligations for certification. There is a HUGE

Re: [RE-wrenches] big combiner box

2011-06-06 Thread Bill Brooks
Marco, Why?-is this a low current string or a really high current feeder? Bill. From: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Marco Mangelsdorf Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 4:05 PM To: 'RE-wrenches' Subject: [RE-wrenches]

Re: [RE-wrenches] Tigo to go?

2011-06-08 Thread Bill Brooks
Marco, The only argument you can make for a system like yours is to say that if the modules degrade at different rates, then the Tigo optimizers make sense. Otherwise, I can't see how it could be anything but a slight loss. Tough call for $15k. Other attributes like monitoring and shutting off

Re: [RE-wrenches] how would you measure a partial short circuit

2011-06-30 Thread Bill Brooks
Nick, How can you conclude that there was nothing wrong in regard to ground faults. What was your reasoning that lead you to that conclusion. I think there is doubt on your conclusion unless half the wiring in the second string is backwards. Bill. From: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wren

Re: [RE-wrenches] how would you measure a partial short circuit

2011-07-01 Thread Bill Brooks
Nick, If your voltage is low and there is no ground fault, either positive and negative are connected mid string, bringing the voltage down, or a bunch of modules never got connected in series. In either case, the Voc difference between the two strings will create a significant current flow at

Re: [RE-wrenches] Anti-Islanding Explanantion

2011-07-19 Thread Bill Brooks
All, A resource that all wrenches need to be aware of and read is a document published by the Interstate Renewable Energy Council called, "Connecting to the Grid". It includes a good laymen's explanation of anti-islanding--which goes far beyond voltage and frequency limits. URL below http://irecu

Re: [RE-wrenches] Anti-Islanding Explanantion

2011-07-20 Thread Bill Brooks
Google it. It is on the www.irecusa.org website. Click on publications. You probably missed part of the URL. Bill. ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.

Re: [RE-wrenches] Solmetric PVA-600

2011-07-29 Thread Bill Brooks
Keith, As I board a flight from Maui to Oahu this evening, this curve tracer rocks. It is truly what I have been wait for over a decade. Everyone should buy one and I don't even get royalties for saying that. Bill. From: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-boun

Re: [RE-wrenches] Bifacial modules

2011-11-01 Thread Bill Brooks
Keith, This is easy to test. Simple take an irradiance sensor, turn it upside-down and test the irradiance on the bottom surface of any PV array. It will vary greatly based on exposure to reflected light and so on, but it will rarely be above 100 W/m^2. 10% improvement is an absolute maximum fo

Re: [RE-wrenches] calculating low string voltage

2011-11-29 Thread Bill Brooks
Folks, One factor often overlooked when calculating minimum system voltage is degradation of the array and rating variations of the modules. If you assume 0.5% loss in voltage per year, you need to factor a 10% higher voltage at year one. Manufacturers tolerance on voltage and current c

Re: [RE-wrenches] module storage

2011-11-30 Thread Bill Brooks
Open circuit. If something comes apart internally at short circuit you have a possible arc. Bill. -Original Message- From: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of jay peltz Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 7:07 AM To: RE-

Re: [RE-wrenches] calculating low string voltage

2011-12-01 Thread Bill Brooks
On 12/1/2011 14:56, Gary Willett wrote: Ray: Look at Appendix F in the Expedited Permit Process for PV Systems - A Standardized Process for the Review of Small-Scale PV Systems Prepared by Bill Brooks, P.E. Brooks Engineering This document provides the ASHRE temperatures for a

Re: [RE-wrenches] To Megger or not to Megger

2009-04-28 Thread Bill Brooks
es.org] On Behalf Of David Palumbo Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 7:59 AM To: gilliga...@gmail.com; 'RE-wrenches' Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] To Megger or not to Megger Matt, "Muggering", I think that will catch on. The last post, I think, ol' Uncle Bill Brooks (4/13/09

Re: [RE-wrenches] To Megger or not to Megger

2009-04-28 Thread Bill Brooks
recent class here in Vermont was great. Thanks. ---Bill Brooks wrote: Just to add punctuation to this thread, I always recommend that contractors megger their arrays, because it has saved my butt several times. --- end of quote --- --- Matt Lafferty wrote: I only meggered the actual arrays on

Re: [RE-wrenches] lay in lugs

2009-05-05 Thread Bill Brooks
Since we are talking lay-in lugs, the WEEB-Lug is clearly superior to either the Burndy or Ilsco lugs because it takes 1/4" hardware, has a hex head set screw set in a much more convenient manner and has a bonding plate so that an anodized aluminum surface does not have to be ground off. Not sure I

Re: [RE-wrenches] Chinese solar cells and modules and pricing

2009-06-06 Thread Bill Brooks
All, How many of these Chinese manufacturers will still be in existence in 5 years (probably less than half)? Are you really willing to risk a company and reputation for a few pennies per watt? Certainly several of the big companies are likely to survive, but you are playing a new game of "Chinese

Re: [RE-wrenches] Enphase Recall?

2009-06-19 Thread Bill Brooks
Peter and all, The Enphase product is the only one of its kind on the market currently (there will be more). Their sales are far beyond where they thought they were going to be-good and bad news. Great for them to be confirmed in their market prediction. Bad for the people who are anxious to ge

Re: [RE-wrenches] REC Solar melt-down

2009-07-01 Thread Bill Brooks
Not sure what "CEC specced panels" means. Everything CEC must be listed to UL1703-BP has had fires with UL/CEC modules, and so have other companies. The question raised here is what defect caused the recall? This is not unexpected, but it is horrible. Just think if a major company like REC can

Re: [RE-wrenches] Roof Loading request for help

2009-07-07 Thread Bill Brooks
Allan, Check out my website at www.brooksolar.com/services. The recent Expedited Permit Process that I helped produce for the US Dept. of Energy is on that page in pdf that you can download. It explains the rationale behind why anything under 5 PSF is fine if the roof structure is standard (eng

Re: [RE-wrenches] Efficiency Curves of Fronius Inverters?

2009-07-08 Thread Bill Brooks
Mark and Jeff, To be clear, manufacturers do not supply the data. It is required to be tested by a Nationally Recognized Testing Laboratory (NRTL). Mark's message could be misconstrued as the data being something Fronius cooked up. On another note. Anyone notice Fronius inverters having tro

Re: [RE-wrenches] Efficiency Curves of Fronius Inverters?

2009-07-09 Thread Bill Brooks
3-258-8883, Mobile 323-839-6108, Fax 323-258-8885 _ From: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Bill Brooks Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 4:20 PM To: 'RE-wrenches' Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Efficiency Curves

Re: [RE-wrenches] String Combiners for a-Si modules

2009-07-22 Thread Bill Brooks
eries string. Broken modules produce high currents that become pyrovoltaic without diodes. Bill. Bill Brooks, PE Brooks Engineering 873 Kells Circle Vacaville, CA 95688 Office and Mobile: 707-332-0761 Office Fax: 707-451-7739 email: b...@brooksolar.com www.BrookSolar.com

Re: [RE-wrenches] "Quick Release" PV System

2009-07-29 Thread Bill Brooks
Chula Vista has been difficult on a number of fronts for the past few years. I'm not sure what is behind it. This is a reference from an old Los Angeles Fire Department regulation. It was invented by a person at LA who still thinks it's a good idea. I don't doubt that it could not be developed. My

Re: [RE-wrenches] Meggers.

2009-07-31 Thread Bill Brooks
Jay, I bought two insulation testers (Megger is a brand name) in April. A used Fluke 1520 off Ebay for $275 and a new inexpensive (cheap) insulation tester on Amazon (Electronic Specialties 550 Insulation Tester for $162). Both work fine. The Fluke has better accuracy that I need for very speciali

Re: [RE-wrenches] down-sizing main breaker

2009-07-31 Thread Bill Brooks
Bruce, Use a standard 125-amp panel with a 100-amp main breaker. This is a very common panel and does not require downsizing the main breaker any further (it is already downsized). It allows up to a 50-amp PV breaker. Bill. From: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wren

Re: [RE-wrenches] utility line voltage issues

2009-08-17 Thread Bill Brooks
age drop--it is at least twice as important because it may determine whether or not the system runs. Bill. Bill Brooks, PE Brooks Engineering 873 Kells Circle Vacaville, CA 95688 Office and Mobile: 707-332-0761 Office Fax: 707-451-7739 email: b...@brooksolar.com www.BrookSolar.com -

Re: [RE-wrenches] utility line voltage issues

2009-08-17 Thread Bill Brooks
All, If you are looking for voltage regulators that can be placed on a home or business, check out www.microplanet.com. They are selling these around the world for energy efficiency purposes. Bring high voltage down makes equipment run more efficiently and keeps the PV system from tripping. I'm no

Re: [RE-wrenches] utility line voltage issues

2009-08-17 Thread Bill Brooks
Peter, The excursion time depends on how high the excursion is. There is a longer grace period for being just above or below the limits to allow for inverters to ride through normal transients. However, beyond that are some very short timeframes for excessive transients and large excursions. There

Re: [RE-wrenches] raintite box mounting angle

2009-08-24 Thread Bill Brooks
Kirk, I'm fairly confident that if the manufacturer does not specify an angle for NEMA 3R (rainproof) that the default is vertical. In special cases (e.g. Outback PSPV), the NEMA 3R tests are requested at an angle, but this is fairly rare. Upshot is that NEMA 3R boxes normally cannot be mounted

Re: [RE-wrenches] max PV voltage in Canada

2009-08-31 Thread Bill Brooks
Jerry, The Canadian requirements are simplistic and based on the 1996 and prior NEC. Canada is simply not keeping their code up to date and recognizing the fact that their western coast has significantly milder weather and that thin films do not have the same temperature coefficients as crys

Re: [RE-wrenches] Installer's grant

2009-08-31 Thread Bill Brooks
Roger, Why would a legitimate contractor argue against this reduced incentive (it is not a penalty at all)? This is simply acknowledging the fact that operating a business and providing a long-term system warranty costs money that a self-installer does not have to carry. This actually came fro

Re: [RE-wrenches] Installer's grant

2009-09-01 Thread Bill Brooks
lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Bill Brooks Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 10:57 PM To: 'RE-wrenches' Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Installer's grant Roger, Why would a legitimate contractor argue against this reduced incentive (it

Re: [RE-wrenches] Installer's grant

2009-09-03 Thread Bill Brooks
Drake, My points related to non-contractor installs which came up after you raised your initial concern. I think Ohio is being ridiculous for not providing incentives to their qualified installers installing on their own facilities. This makes absolutely no sense. You can tell them that for me.

Re: [RE-wrenches] losses to competing angles in single strings

2009-09-12 Thread Bill Brooks
Peter and Nick, I believe the original question related to two different orientations in the same series string. Peter, your response was related to two parallel strings of the same length run into the same inverter. These are two EXTREMELY different scenarios. They have been discussed in detai

Re: [RE-wrenches] Siemens SR-100 low power warranty claim--who do I call?

2009-09-27 Thread Bill Brooks
Marco and Mick, I don't think the issue is whether SolarWorld wants the liability. They have the liability. They bought the company. This is not like GE Energy where they were very careful to just buy AstroPower's equipment in a fire sale. I still think GE is liable, but I'm sure their lawyers

Re: [RE-wrenches] Pulse combiner box

2009-10-01 Thread Bill Brooks
Which ones? They produced several different boxes and combiner boards. Bill. From: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Marco Mangelsdorf Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 7:02 PM To: 'RE-wrenches' Subject: [RE-wrenches]

Re: [RE-wrenches] orientation data

2009-10-06 Thread Bill Brooks
Folks, The new SAM (Solar Advisor Model) product from NREL is your answer. I’m just learning about it, but it looks like it can do everything you need related to analysis, and it is free. It uses TMY2 data sets that are hourly. You can argue with the validity of the TMY2 data sets for your

Re: [RE-wrenches] Rooftop wiring methods between multiple subarrays

2009-10-09 Thread Bill Brooks
August and Max, If all you are doing in supporting the conductors, PVC conduit is sufficient with protective bushings on each end. Once you go to EMT, then grounding bushings must be installed at both ends and the EGC needs to pick up those bushings. More expensive and time consuming, but it

Re: [RE-wrenches] Rooftop wiring methods between multiple subarrays

2009-10-09 Thread Bill Brooks
August, Home Depot now sells bonding bushings for EMT down to ½”, which should solve the availability issue. I was very surprised to see them last trip to the HD money pit. Bill. ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenche

Re: [RE-wrenches] Rooftop wiring methods between multiple subarrays

2009-10-09 Thread Bill Brooks
Mark, Although this exception is allowed, I think it is bad practice in the field. We will probably see the NEC revoke this exception within the next few cycles, and it may be revoked for PV systems much sooner. Relying on box connections to carry the low fault currents inherent in PV systems i

Re: [RE-wrenches] Rooftop wiring methods between multiple subarrays

2009-10-13 Thread Bill Brooks
what the sun does to PVC conduit) Max Balchowsky SEE Systems 760-403-6810 _ From: Bill Brooks To: RE-wrenches Sent: Friday, October 9, 2009 10:20:19 AM Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Rooftop wiring methods between multiple subarrays August and Max, If all you are doi

[RE-wrenches] Wire Management--was RE: Rooftop wiring

2009-10-14 Thread Bill Brooks
ground lug on the last row to take the ground into the junction box and down...... Max _ From: Bill Brooks To: RE-wrenches Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 7:59:13 AM Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Rooftop wiring methods between multiple subarrays Max, I’m not sure I under

Re: [RE-wrenches] ASTM PV installation standards

2009-10-15 Thread Bill Brooks
Joel, Any idea who is developing this? It sounds like whoever is doing this is not necessarily in the loop with many other standards activities that are going on. We should encourage anyone doing work in solar codes and standards to be involved with the U.S. Department of Energy's Solar America Bo

Re: [RE-wrenches] Canadian Solar modules

2009-10-15 Thread Bill Brooks
Marco and Joel, In the latest version of the Expedited Permit Process, I was required to remove references to real manufacturers in my example problem. I made up a company called "American Solar" in true Canadian Solar style. It is really a shortened version of the company "American Solar Syste

Re: [RE-wrenches] strings of older solar panels

2009-11-18 Thread Bill Brooks
Lee, Your idea about 2 strings of 16 is fine on a Fronius IG2000. The voltage is correct and the inverter power is more than sufficient. There is no difference at all in the way module bypass diodes were done then (early 1990s) as now. You want to check the Voc of each module to make sure there

Re: [RE-wrenches] 690.31E (through a building)

2009-12-18 Thread Bill Brooks
Mark, The readily accessible disconnect at the inverter is all that is necessary according to the code. There may be practical reasons for additional disconnects, but if the system has no combiner box, or the combiner is at the inverter, only the disconnect at the inverter is required. Bill

Re: [RE-wrenches] DC disconnect placement

2009-12-20 Thread Bill Brooks
William, I'm not sure what the struggle is about here. If you have a combiner box, you should always have a disconnect nearby to service the fuses. The 2011 NEC will require such a disconnect. It is a no-brainer on a ground mounted system. A roof-mounted residential system of 4 strings or less

Re: [RE-wrenches] Square D DC disconnects

2010-01-11 Thread Bill Brooks
David and Kirpal, It is ultimately up to the AHJ whether or not they accept the Schneider/Square D self certification. That is a judgment call the installer needs to clear with the AHJ. That being said, having Square D behind the rating of a switch is a whole lot more than any one of the smalle

Re: [RE-wrenches] Square D DC disconnects

2010-01-11 Thread Bill Brooks
bout dc disconnects needing to be listed to some special PV standard. Is there a movement in this direction? Is there a UL1741 standard for dc discos that is somehow different that the standard used for other dc disconnects? Best, David On 1/11/10 5:28 PM, "Bill Brooks" wrote:

Re: [RE-wrenches] Solar accumulation panel

2010-01-12 Thread Bill Brooks
Andrew, It does not exist. We tried like crazy to get it into the 2011 NEC, but to no avail. At the last second the proposal was put on hold until the 2014 NEC. Major bummer. For now it can only be done with AHJ approval. Many allow it but it is not in the NEC. Alternatively you must use the su

Re: [RE-wrenches] 2011 code and roof discos

2010-01-13 Thread Bill Brooks
r Vermont Solar Engineering 802.863.1202 NABCEP(tm) Certified Solar Installer NYSERDA-eligible Installer VT Solar Incentive Program Partner _ From: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Bill Brooks Sent: Wednesday,

Re: [RE-wrenches] anti islanding?

2010-02-13 Thread Bill Brooks
August, Probably the best simple explanation is in "Connecting to the Grid", published by the Interstate Renewable Energy Council and the North Carolina Solar Center. It is in its 6th edition. I wrote the original version of the document over 15 years ago. Bill. Quote from Document: "Grid-tied

Re: [RE-wrenches] Supply Side Interconnections - Maximum Backfeed

2010-03-04 Thread Bill Brooks
The serving transformer is also an issue. I've seen 800-amp service conductors on a 25kVA transformer. Just because you have wires large enough for a 400-amp service, does not mean you have a transformer capable of delivering 400-amps continuous. That is why you have to work with the serving utilit

Re: [RE-wrenches] Supply Side Tap Overcurrent Protection

2010-03-28 Thread Bill Brooks
Dave, All line side connections must have overcurrent protection (230.91) at the disconnecting means. Article 230.70 through 230.95 is what generally governs these connections. Without rewriting John Wiles' articles on this subject, here are a few quick pointers. The basic rule to remember,

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