[RBW] Re: Parting Out 64cm Trek TX500

2010-09-01 Thread Marty
Wheels and bars have been spoken for. Frame, crank and derailleurs still up for grabs. Thanks, Marty On Aug 31, 9:44 pm, Mitch Browne wrote: > Marty are your rims still available? > > If they're 18+ I'd like them. > > What is the width? I like to run 32c plus tires. > > Thanks, Mitch San Luis O

[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar or Bombadil for the trails?

2010-09-01 Thread EricP
Actually, I run my BAs at between 45 and 55 and weigh just a bit less than BB. Of course, that's for the comparatively narrow 50's. Per the chart that was in VBQ, that's just a couple of pounds over the recommended. And on a bike with the bars way up (the way I ride), the extra air in the back s

[RBW] Re: In praise of versatility

2010-09-01 Thread Pondero
Enough, as I imagined it, would be sufficient for a given person. In other words, might it possible that someone might have a sufficiently narrow use range, so that one versatile bike could satisfy? Yeah, you're right, probably not. Not if that someone really likes bicycles. On Aug 31, 8:26 pm,

RE: [RBW] Re: MKS Touring Pedal

2010-09-01 Thread Frederick, Steve
Pliers padded with a rag worked for mine... -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of JB Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 7:16 PM To: RBW Owners Bunch Subject: [RBW] Re: MKS Touring Pedal I don't have the tool, but one

[RBW] Re: 1982 Bridgestone Atlantis

2010-09-01 Thread jlvota
Whoa. On Aug 31, 3:05 pm, Jacob Smyth wrote: > I have in my possession a Bridgestone Atlantis from 1982 designed by > Hiroo Watanabe. The frame is made out of 4130 ChrMo steel. > The seat post is an aluminum SR Laprade, made in Japan. The handlebar > is a  Nitto Universiade 105, still in very goo

Re: [RBW] Re: MKS Touring Pedal

2010-09-01 Thread David Sprunger
FWIW, the MKS dustcap is the same size as the cap on old style Campagnolo pedals, so you can use the old Campy pedal tool as well. David Sprunger Fargo, ND On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 12:46 PM, bfd wrote: >. Do you> need a special tool to remove the dust cap? Thanks! > > -- -- You received this mes

Re: [RBW] 1982 Bridgestone Atlantis

2010-09-01 Thread Jon Grant
From: Jacob Smyth You can the pictures here: http://picasaweb.google.com/100062156430961581353/BridgestoneAtlantis02?feat =directlink --- A beautiful bicycle to be sure, but how is it appropriate to this list, please? -- Jon -- You received this message because you are subscribed to t

[RBW] Seen From My Riv Road ....

2010-09-01 Thread Eric Norris
... on Sunday's ride. http://www.flickr.com/photos/35176...@n03/4946596415/in/set-72157624728273365/ --Eric campyonly...@me.com www.campyonly.com www.wheelsnorth.org -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group

[RBW] Re: In praise of versatility

2010-09-01 Thread William
OK, I'll play: "one bike can't do it all - I've tried. " define can't. With a Bombadil and maybe 4 sets of tires and maybe 3 handlebar/cockpit setups, I'd argue that there is no ride under the big umbrella of "it all' that this theoretical one bike "can't do". In order to say that it can't, I th

[RBW] Re: In praise of versatility

2010-09-01 Thread JoelMatthews
> define can't. With a Bombadil and maybe 4 sets of tires and maybe 3 > handlebar/cockpit setups, I'd argue that there is no ride under the > big umbrella of "it all' that this theoretical one bike "can't do". > In order to say that it can't, I think you'd have to bring in > qualitative stuff like

[RBW] Re: Painted Hunqua

2010-09-01 Thread Montclair BobbyB
At the risk of getting flogged or banned, I have to be honest... for me the diagonal tube will take some time before I warm up to it. Even the double parallel TT looked odd and freakish to me at first, but now I absolutely love it... it looks strong and clean, and yet still preserves the classic t

[RBW] Re: Parting Out 64cm Trek TX500

2010-09-01 Thread Marty
Crankset sold - thanks. On Sep 1, 5:23 am, Marty wrote: > Wheels and bars have been spoken for. Frame, crank and derailleurs > still up for grabs. > > Thanks, > > Marty > > On Aug 31, 9:44 pm, Mitch Browne wrote: > > > Marty are your rims still available? > > > If they're 18+ I'd like them. > >

[RBW] Re: In praise of versatility

2010-09-01 Thread Michael_S
I've considered this subject a few times recently. I am hoping to semi- retire next year and relocate to smaller place near the ocean, perhaps with only a one car garage. what bike or what few bikes would I choose to do the riding Ilike to do. I would want a lightweight fast road bike with 28mm tir

Re: [RBW] Re: Painted Hunqua

2010-09-01 Thread CycloFiend
on 9/1/10 7:15 AM, Montclair BobbyB at montclairbob...@gmail.com wrote: > At the risk of getting flogged or banned, I have to be honest... Now, now... ON Topic and Honest will not get one banned. Disrespect and OT ramblings, on the other hand... ;^) > for > me the diagonal tube will take some

Re: [RBW] Re: In praise of versatility

2010-09-01 Thread PATRICK MOORE
On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 8:43 AM, William wrote: > OK, I'll play: > > "one bike can't do it all - I've tried. " > > define can't. Well parried. I mean, in my own case, I *do* want at least one, light, fast as possible road bike with all the qualities of top road bike handling -- and this is what ru

[RBW] Re: In praise of versatility

2010-09-01 Thread William
"Well parried." I'm glad you took as intended, just playing with words. I'm totally on board with the notion that there is a broad range of ride qualities that no one bike can provide, and I think you are spot on with tubing dimensions. I think what you'd need is a bike with a couple dials on th

[RBW] Re: Seen From My Riv Road ....

2010-09-01 Thread William
Dont stare too long! You'll miss the turn! On Sep 1, 7:34 am, Eric Norris wrote: > ... on Sunday's ride.   > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/35176...@n03/4946596415/in/set-721576247...  > > --Eric > campyonly...@me.comwww.campyonly.comwww.wheelsnorth.org -- You received this message because you

[RBW] Re: 1982 Bridgestone Atlantis

2010-09-01 Thread cm
"...but how is it appropriate to this list, please?" 1) Made by Bridgestone- the company that Grant used to work for 2) Has been discussed in depth in several RR 3) Has a direct link to the Riv Atlantis, so much so that the Riv has a 2 on it (this is the 1, right?) 4) Obviously influenced Grants t

[RBW] Re: 1982 Bridgestone Atlantis

2010-09-01 Thread William
Yeah, but BESIDES all that On Sep 1, 9:42 am, cm wrote: > "...but how is it appropriate to this list, please?" > > 1) Made by Bridgestone- the company that Grant used to work for > 2) Has been discussed in depth in several RR > 3) Has a direct link to the Riv Atlantis, so much so that the Riv

[RBW] Re: 1982 Bridgestone Atlantis

2010-09-01 Thread doug peterson
Very nice. I especially like the catalogue page with the bike set-up with racks & panniers. I've owned an Riv Atlantis since 03 and only recently learned the significance of the "2" on the decal. This one pre-dates my bike by 21 years. Nice to understand the lineage. dougP On Sep 1, 6:50 am,

[RBW] Re: In praise of versatility

2010-09-01 Thread doug peterson
Another side of the question is whether or not you demand the the ultimate in performance for various types of riding. If you intend to go on the weekly racers training ride on Thurs and rock hopping on Saturday, you need a couple of very different bicycles. OTH, if you like friendly pavement rid

Re: [RBW] 1982 Bridgestone Atlantis

2010-09-01 Thread Rob Harrison
That is a pretty bike! Very nice. Rob in Seattle On Aug 31, 2010, at 1:05 PM, Jacob Smyth wrote: I have in my possession a Bridgestone Atlantis from 1982 designed by Hiroo Watanabe. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To po

[RBW] 1 Toptube or 2 -- Comparing the Two Versions of the Hillborne

2010-09-01 Thread Bryan @ Renaissance Bicycles
In the Shop we happen to have two 56cm Hillbornes. One is the Taiwanese made Maxway, the other is the Waterford version from WI. Of course, we couldn't help but take photos: http://www.renaissancebicycles.com/gallery/?album=7&gallery=66 Obviously, the double toptuber is the Waterford version. I

[RBW] Re: 1 Toptube or 2 -- Comparing the Two Versions of the Hillborne

2010-09-01 Thread William
I'll vote (kind of). I'm surprised at how close the weights are. I think the double TT looks cool, and I'd find useful. On BART I have to grab hard on the seat tube to portage the bike up stairs, because I'd get a handful of frame pump if I grabbed the TT. A second TT would be a portage handle

Re: [RBW] Re: 1 Toptube or 2 -- Comparing the Two Versions of the Hillborne

2010-09-01 Thread Bruce
Did I read somewhere that the Maxway frame uses a Toyo built fork? Toyo did a fine job on prior forks, so one wonders why the one pictured by Bryan seems "stockier." To be honest, both bikes look great to me. I like the paint on the Maxway a bit better, but agree that the Waterford crown is ni

Re: [RBW] MKS Touring Pedal

2010-09-01 Thread Robert F. Harrison
I love my MKS pedals, both the touring and grip kings...I have about a half dozen on 5 bikes with a spare or two. However they come from the factory very light on lubrication. The first set I owned clicked and sent a shiver through my Quickbeam's frame. I thought the bottom bracket was toast until

Re: [RBW] Re: 1 Toptube or 2 -- Comparing the Two Versions of the Hillborne

2010-09-01 Thread Bill Connell
I also thought that someone else (not Maxway) was doing the forks, but can't remember who. Given that the lugs appear identical otherwise, i'm surprised in the differences in the forks, especially that the canti version seems to have narrower tapered legs. The fork bend looks the same on both, whic

Re: [RBW] MKS Touring Pedal

2010-09-01 Thread PATRICK MOORE
For such inexpensive but otherwise very good pedals, I use this method: Fill with Phil Tenacious Oil and ride until they are smooth. It has worked for me. Alas, I find them too narrow for my 10 Cs -- my bunion rubs the crankarm; prefer the MKS Touring pedal. On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 1:07 PM, Robert

[RBW] Re: 1 Toptube or 2 -- Comparing the Two Versions of the Hillborne

2010-09-01 Thread William
The Single TT one (Maxway?) has no BB cable guide installed!! Send it back! The Double TT one has a seatstay bridge that is not threaded underneath for a fender!! Send it back! On Sep 1, 12:14 pm, Bill Connell wrote: > I also thought that someone else (not Maxway) was doing the forks, but > can

Re: [RBW] Re: 1 Toptube or 2 -- Comparing the Two Versions of the Hillborne

2010-09-01 Thread Bill Connell
Indeed - I'd be happy to dispose of them properly, just email directly for my shipping address :-) Bill On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 2:35 PM, William wrote: > The Single TT one (Maxway?) has no BB cable guide installed!!  Send it > back! > The Double TT one has a seatstay bridge that is not threaded

[RBW] Another tall Renovelo (complete bike)

2010-09-01 Thread William
There's a 64cm former Ram up now. Complete bike for less than the price of a Roadeo frameset. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this g

[RBW] Re: 1 Toptube or 2 -- Comparing the Two Versions of the Hillborne

2010-09-01 Thread bfd
On Sep 1, 11:04 am, "Bryan @ Renaissance Bicycles" wrote: > In the Shop we happen to have two 56cm Hillbornes.  One is the > Taiwanese made Maxway, the other is the Waterford version from WI. > > Of course, we couldn't help but take > photos:http://www.renaissancebicycles.com/gallery/?album=7&g

[RBW] Re: 1 Toptube or 2 -- Comparing the Two Versions of the Hillborne

2010-09-01 Thread bfd
On Sep 1, 11:04 am, "Bryan @ Renaissance Bicycles" wrote: > In the Shop we happen to have two 56cm Hillbornes.  One is the > Taiwanese made Maxway, the other is the Waterford version from WI. > > Of course, we couldn't help but take > photos:http://www.renaissancebicycles.com/gallery/?album=7&g

[RBW] Re: 1 Toptube or 2 -- Comparing the Two Versions of the Hillborne

2010-09-01 Thread William
"but what's the purpose?" obviously to protect the frame pump and to allow me to carry up the Bart stairs more easily Duh On Sep 1, 11:35 am, bfd wrote: > On Sep 1, 11:04 am, "Bryan @ Renaissance Bicycles" > > wrote: > > In the Shop we happen to have two 56cm Hillbornes.  One is the > > Taiwan

[RBW] Re: 1 Toptube or 2 -- Comparing the Two Versions of the Hillborne

2010-09-01 Thread Peter Pesce
I really don't know why Riv has to go and make multiple different versions of this bike. Yes, I know the only answer that matters is "because Grant wants to" but even HE has to expend lots of unnecessary energy explaining to people why one version is, allegedly, as good as the other. Just when he c

[RBW] Re: 1 Toptube or 2 -- Comparing the Two Versions of the Hillborne

2010-09-01 Thread JoelMatthews
> Alan at EcoVelo has a 60cm Maxway Sam with cantis and what will, now, > forever hence be known as the "nice" fork; I have a 60cm Maxway Sam > with sidepulls and what will forever hence be known as the "crappy" > fork. What qualities of Alan's fork make it better than yours? On Sep 1, 4:12 pm, P

[RBW] Re: 1 Toptube or 2 -- Comparing the Two Versions of the Hillborne

2010-09-01 Thread cm
I dont think calling it a "crappy fork" is fair. I have a Bleriot (obviously Taiwanese) and I dont think there is a crappy thing about it. Riv had supply problems with taiwan and needed another builder. G goes into it in some detail on the site. Seems like a new builder would be a great time to tr

[RBW] WTT: Jack Brown Greens for wider tires

2010-09-01 Thread PATRICK MOORE
I have put about 200 miles on them; they were Riv's floor bike's tires at first. Checkerboard pattern just beginning to wear off on rear. Would like something 37 mm +; prefer something lightish and supple rather than armored and beefy -- don't know all that they make in those hugely fat sizes. A P

[RBW] Re: 1 Toptube or 2 -- Comparing the Two Versions of the Hillborne

2010-09-01 Thread Michael_S
I own a 56cm Maxway canti Sam with the "3 spot " fork crown and my bike is plenty stiff enough for off road endeavors. I originally had 70x40 knobbies on it and took it on very technical singletrack quite a few times... It never felt anything other than solid. and for the record... I like both f

Re: [RBW] Re: 1 Toptube or 2 -- Comparing the Two Versions of the Hillborne

2010-09-01 Thread Bill Connell
It sometimes happens that a bike model will have changes over the run - the Romulus and Saluki are other examples where there was a change in brake type. The Sam is a little unusual in that it was caught in production issues just as it was ramping up, so there was undoubtedly some scrambling to kee

[RBW] Re: In praise of versatility

2010-09-01 Thread Philip Williamson
I'm with Joel on the competitive riding. Sometimes I feel like I should care, but I just don't. I kind of wish I'd been the one to call Alberto Contador "that tri guy." I have three bikes, and would be happy with just the Quickbeam. If it was my only bike, I wouldn't switch out the cockpit, since

[RBW] Re: Another tall Renovelo (complete bike)

2010-09-01 Thread Michael_S
Another one of those darn double top tube monstrosities! One question, it has the Dia Compe centerpulls and 700x37 Paselas's, my new-to-me Ram has Shimano caliper brakes and I had to deflate the Jack Browns to install it. How much more clearance do the centerpulls have? Could I install my tire w/

Re: [RBW] Re: In praise of versatility

2010-09-01 Thread Bill Connell
I'm down to a nearly all-time low of 3 bikes. What i've figured out with the single bike notion is that, for me, the goal of having one bike isn't worth the hassle of changing that bike for different uses. I do switch my 'cross bike from commuter to racer and back once a year, but i get tired of sw

[RBW] Re: 1 Toptube or 2 -- Comparing the Two Versions of the Hillborne

2010-09-01 Thread Johnny Alien
I also prefer the fork crown on the double tt model. Although I tend to like sidepulls better than canti's. I also really like the trademark double tt look but sadly I ride smaller size frames and will never be able to own one. On Sep 1, 5:43 pm, Bill Connell wrote: > It sometimes happens that

[RBW] Re: 1 Toptube or 2 -- Comparing the Two Versions of the Hillborne

2010-09-01 Thread Peter Pesce
Sorry, I was being intentionally melodramatic with the "crappy" comment! Poor choice of words. I have been exceedingly happy with my bike, my first Riv, and actually had the option of getting a Waterford frame at the time. I liked the sidepulls and single top tube, so I took the Maxway. No complai

[RBW] Re: 1 Toptube or 2 -- Comparing the Two Versions of the Hillborne

2010-09-01 Thread William
"is a feature, not a bug!" you must work with software. haha. We say that all the time at work. I think the Maxway crown is really cool. I just fell in love with the curly crown on mine which is also on the Waterford. The fatter lower fork blades are what I thought was chunky, but even when I

[RBW] Re: Another tall Renovelo (complete bike)

2010-09-01 Thread rperks
that, and the fact that the dia-compe brakes they sell have a minimum reach of 63mm? these must be the new ones VO is selling or the bike is a 650b conversion? so much to speculate on and so little time. Rob On Sep 1, 2:49 pm, Michael_S wrote: > Another one of those darn double top tube monstr

[RBW] Re: Another tall Renovelo (complete bike)

2010-09-01 Thread William
I think this is the one that got documented on the site in-process. They said it was a Rambu, and they were deliberately increasing the clearances and saying that it would be a new fork. I can't find the picture/posting, but they had a photo with it still mainly Orange but back from having the 2TT

Re: [RBW] WTT: Jack Brown Greens for wider tires

2010-09-01 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Wed, 2010-09-01 at 15:37 -0600, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > Would like something 37 mm +; prefer something lightish and supple > rather than armored and beefy -- don't know all that they make in > those hugely fat sizes. A Pasela would be fine. > There is a 37mm Pasela, if you can find it! -- Y

Re: [RBW] Re: 1 Toptube or 2 -- Comparing the Two Versions of the Hillborne

2010-09-01 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Wed, 2010-09-01 at 16:43 -0500, Bill Connell wrote: > It sometimes happens that a bike model will have changes over the run > - the Romulus and Saluki are other examples where there was a change > in brake type. If you're thinking of the Centerpulluki and the Cantiluki versions of the Saluki,

[RBW] Re: Another tall Renovelo (complete bike)

2010-09-01 Thread William
http://www.rivbike.com/assets/payloads/318/original_Peeking_post_July_3.pdf Here's the photo I was thinking of. Different frame I assume, but another big Rambu that got increased clearance and a new fork. This one got canti brakes. On Sep 1, 3:48 pm, William wrote: > I think this is the one th

[RBW] Re: 1 Toptube or 2 -- Comparing the Two Versions of the Hillborne

2010-09-01 Thread doug peterson
"Because I know people will ask ... the weight difference between the frames is 8 ounces. For perspective, that is about the difference between a full water bottle and one that is 3/4 full." Now that puts the weight in real terms. I defy anyone to tell the difference in how their bike performs w

[RBW] Re: In praise of versatility

2010-09-01 Thread EricP
Well, I'm at 4 (or 3 1/2 since one is a folder). And to be quite honest, three are somewhat overlapping. Yes, I could maybe, possibly, get by with one bike (my Sam Hillborne). But then I'd feel guilty riding it through the slush/ice/snow of winter knowing the frame will probably rot in about 5 o

[RBW] Re: Another tall Renovelo (complete bike)

2010-09-01 Thread EricP
Am more interested in the fact the last 64 Rambo conversion was for PBH smaller than this one. At the time, I was thinking "gee, at 6' and PBH of 88/89, that seems big." This one seems more reasonable. Or maybe I read it wrong. Still, the complete is a nice looking bike. I for one like the dou

[RBW] Re: 1 Toptube or 2 -- Comparing the Two Versions of the Hillborne

2010-09-01 Thread EricP
My first run Hillborne has a different crown than either of those. Think it might have been the same as the Romulus. Otherwise, I do like the one on the Waterford made version. Then again, noticed that the Atlantis forks have changed over the years. While I do like the new ones, and have seen th

Re: [RBW] Re: 1 Toptube or 2 -- Comparing the Two Versions of the Hillborne

2010-09-01 Thread Robert F. Harrison
I'm slower with an empty bottle because I'm looking around for someplace to fill up. Stands to reason! :-) Bob On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 2:34 PM, doug peterson wrote: > "Because I know people will ask ... the weight difference between the > frames is 8 ounces. For perspective, that is about the

[RBW] Re: 1 Toptube or 2 -- Comparing the Two Versions of the Hillborne

2010-09-01 Thread EcoVelo
I think it's cool that these various iterations of the Hillborne are out there - keeps it interesting. Mine is a single top tube 60cm Maxway with cantis and the fork shown on the Waterford in Bryan's photos. It might be just a tad flexy for some people, but it feels just right under my 160 lb. I'd

[RBW] Re: 1 Toptube or 2 -- Comparing the Two Versions of the Hillborne

2010-09-01 Thread Angus
Beautiful pictures of two beautiful frames Bryan...thank you. Two or one...I'll take one thanks. Angus On Sep 1, 1:04 pm, "Bryan @ Renaissance Bicycles" wrote: > In the Shop we happen to have two 56cm Hillbornes.  One is the > Taiwanese made Maxway, the other is the Waterford version from WI. >

[RBW] Re: Another tall Renovelo (complete bike)

2010-09-01 Thread rperks
the rear brake bridge can be raised, but the fork is what it is unless you increase the rake, and Grant is not likely to do that. If the brake reach were increased otherwise the wheel would have to be smaller or the head tube and angle would be rotaiting about the rear axel. THat being said, bett

[RBW] Re: 1 Toptube or 2 -- Comparing the Two Versions of the Hillborne

2010-09-01 Thread SFF
One more variable: I have a single top tube - 60cm - orange - Waterford with the 3 dot fork...but my three dots didn't get the offset color, they were painted orange. I think this was a very early Waterford with a painting error. Any others out there like this? Oh well. Joel On Sep 1, 8:44 pm, A

Re: [RBW] Re: In praise of versatility

2010-09-01 Thread PATRICK MOORE
The Powers that Be have just cut the statutory minimum number of bicycles from five to four: gofast; gofast commuter (just first gofast but with fenders, lights, rack); beater that is as close to the second gofast as possible but much cheaper so that you actually enjoy riding it to Costco or Albert

[RBW] FS/FT: Nitto Technomic Deluxe 12cm - great condition.

2010-09-01 Thread Adam Kimball
I have a 12cm Nitto Technomic Deluxe quill stem that I would like to trade or sell. Now that I have a big frame, I don't need this much reach. I'm using a dirt drop now, but I know I will switch bars at some point - it is part of the fun. So, if you have a Technomic Deluxe in 7cm or 8cm (my gues

[RBW] Re: 1 Toptube or 2 -- Comparing the Two Versions of the Hillborne

2010-09-01 Thread Philip Williamson
Really? You can't tell that you have a full bottle on your bike? It feels like an extra pound. I feel it when I'm out of the saddle. I don't feel like a "princess and the pea" kind of rider, but my bike feels different with a full bottle. I can feel 175mm cranks, or 25mm tires instead of 28s. I don

[RBW] Re: In praise of versatility

2010-09-01 Thread Philip Williamson
Earlier this year the minimum was SEVEN! What happened? And even though I would be happy with one bike... I do have three. I would love a Fargo. And a Roadeo. And before that, I wanted a Pugsley. And before that, a Kogswell Porteur. But I just keep riding my Quickbeam, and my mountain bike, and my