Really? You can't tell that you have a full bottle on your bike? It
feels like an extra pound. I feel it when I'm out of the saddle.
I don't feel like a "princess and the pea" kind of rider, but my bike
feels different with a full bottle. I can feel 175mm cranks, or 25mm
tires instead of 28s. I don't have super-pronounced preferences, but I
notice. If it was 75 yesterday and 78 today, today feels hotter.

You're making me feel like Rain Man here. ...and... I just realized I
AM a "Princess and the Pea" kind of rider. Damn.

 Philip
www.biketinker.com

"this is a song Jerry Lee Lewis wrote before he killed one of his
wives..."

On Sep 1, 5:34 pm, doug peterson <dougpn...@cox.net> wrote:
> "Because I know people will ask ... the weight difference between the
> frames is 8 ounces.  For perspective, that is about the difference
> between a full water bottle and one that is 3/4 full."
>
> Now that puts the weight in real terms.  I defy anyone to tell the
> difference in how their bike performs with a full bottle or empty
> bottle, let alone partially full.  Thanks for the info, Bryan.
>
> dougP
>
> On Sep 1, 11:04 am, "Bryan @ Renaissance Bicycles"
>
>
>
> <renaissancebicyc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > In the Shop we happen to have two 56cm Hillbornes.  One is the
> > Taiwanese made Maxway, the other is the Waterford version from WI.
>
> > Of course, we couldn't help but take 
> > photos:http://www.renaissancebicycles.com/gallery/?album=7&gallery=66
>
> > Obviously, the double toptuber is the Waterford version.  It also
> > includes braze-ons for cantilever brakes, and a rear bridge for the
> > cable stop.  The fork crowns are different.
>
> > Because I know people will ask ... the weight difference between the
> > frames is 8 ounces.  For perspective, that is about the difference
> > between a full water bottle and one that is 3/4 full.
>
> > Both bikes are in our "build queue"; we'll post pictures when they are
> > complete.
>
> > Now, let the debate begin ...
>
> > Bryan

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