[RBW] Re: Getting the message out.

2016-06-06 Thread Evan Baird
Since we're talking about regional issues, I can give an example from the bay area of how this stuff plays out. SF, as must people are aware, is no longer affordable by any definition, so the majority of working class folks live across the bay. The Golden Gate Bridge has a bike lane, so plenty o

Re: [RBW] Re: Getting the message out.

2016-06-03 Thread Patrick Moore
"Masmojo" (sorry, don't know your name) said: *I think the point is (& this is lost in modern politics) that advocacy should be about everyone, you should not vote for or against anything or anyone based solely on how it effects you personally, but how it effects society as a whole. * I agree w

Re: [RBW] Re: Getting the message out.

2016-06-03 Thread masmojo
I should point out that when I am talking about the middle class I mean middle class cyclists, because I know someone is gonna comment on that even though it's implied. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from

Re: [RBW] Re: Getting the message out.

2016-06-03 Thread masmojo
OK, well aside from your bucolic area of Albuquerque (which sounds awful sweet compared to the one I've visited on many occasions on my nomadic travels back & forth from Texas to Cali.) In most areas of the country including where my mom used to live in Napa Valley low income people do the major

Re: [RBW] Re: Getting the message out.

2016-06-03 Thread Justin August
Patrick- People of Color represents a more modern or post-modern approach to critically examining issues of Whiteness and how it is used to exert oppression, dominance and power over folks who lack it. A more off-line conversation that I'd love to have if you want to. I found for myself that I

Re: [RBW] Re: Getting the message out.

2016-06-03 Thread Patrick Moore
I've lived in ABQ for over 27 years, and I've looked behind many restaurants and been out on the streets very often before 8 am, and no, around here you don't see many Hispanics (because that's who we are talking about) riding bikes to work. Most of the local riders-by-need, as opposed to the local

Re: [RBW] Re: Getting the message out.

2016-06-03 Thread masmojo
Well, maybe in New Mexico the commuters are white, middle class or whatever. I don't live there so I won't second guess you, but I seriously doubt it's any different than here. I will say that white middle class commuters are probably more visible. You don't see the others, because by the tim

Re: [RBW] Re: Getting the message out.

2016-06-02 Thread Patrick Moore
This is something of a Segway, but pertinent to the thread. I'm puzzled by the angst expressed over the state of the bicycle marketplace Perhaps it is different where others live, but here in ABQ, NM, which I daresay has considerably more bike shops per capita than other places, it is very clear

Re: [RBW] Re: Getting the message out.

2016-06-02 Thread Evan Baird
This is exaclty what I'm talking about. I've always pushed Soma to keep their web pricing comparable to brick and mortar, but as more and more people sign up for Amazon Prime it's really a race to the bottom. Any publiclly held bike company that doesnt offer direct sales is going to get an earfu

Re: [RBW] Re: Getting the message out.

2016-06-02 Thread Brewster Fong
On Thursday, June 2, 2016 at 9:53:51 AM UTC-7, Evan Baird wrote: > > Peter, that's already happening. The problem is that the traditional LBS > model is failing, and moat comminities don't have access to coop > workspaces. As a "veteran" shop rat, I have a dewp affection for the LBS > and the

Re: [RBW] Re: Getting the message out.

2016-06-02 Thread masmojo
Evan , I especially like what you are saying and you are SO right! It's guys like me that are the loudest voices on the Internet. Guys who can afford to ride Rivendells, have multiple bikes and live in nice houses/communities. The difference between me and a lot of people is I worry/think about

Re: [RBW] Re: Getting the message out.

2016-06-02 Thread Evan Baird
Peter, that's already happening. The problem is that the traditional LBS model is failing, and moat comminities don't have access to coop workspaces. As a "veteran" shop rat, I have a dewp affection for the LBS and the culture surrounding it, but I've also seen first hand how the chevanism, zeno

Re: [RBW] Re: Getting the message out.

2016-06-02 Thread Peter White
OK. Let's "forcefully shift the narrative." Why don't those who use cargo bikes and e-bikes and upright bikes start businesses selling and servicing them? I don't use a cargo bike myself, and so have no familiarity with them. I don't know the 'ins and outs" so to speak. So while having been a low t

[RBW] Re: Getting the message out.

2016-06-01 Thread Evan Baird
Regardless of whether Bobbishness is a movement already, it needs to become one if we want to grow the cycling community. The bicycle advocacy world is primarily funded by lycra wearing, charity rider types (primarily white dudes if we're going by the numbers). This is a huge problem, especially

Re: [RBW] Re: Getting the message out.

2016-04-25 Thread masmojo
Regarding the shower, it's a nice luxury, but not a deal killer for me. I commuted by bike for many years in Texas (Austin, Houston, Dallas) when I did not have a car or even when I did. I agree that a good plan is to be able to arrive early & give yourself time to cool down. Speaking for mys

Re: [RBW] Re: Getting the message out.

2016-04-25 Thread BenG
I share a locker room with bradley (round) sinks and a floor fan, no showers. Muggy mornings arrive early, take off sweaty cotton, put on dry merino and cotton, then douse head in sink, towel off. That slows the sweat. Factory temp is 90+ when outside is 90+, so not the last sweat I see that day

Re: [RBW] Re: Getting the message out.

2016-04-24 Thread ascpgh
My commute is neither as long as any mentioned nor makes a shower requisite...I agree with Patrick Moore's cool off plan and that it is fun. If I start my day (before sunrise) that way, and I end it (after sunset) the same way, there is no outcome other than another good day in the books. No m

Re: [RBW] Re: Getting the message out.

2016-04-24 Thread Patrick Moore
+1 for fun! My utility riding is strictly for fun. On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 12:06 PM, Michael Hechmer wrote: > Yes Garth. I'm retired now but did a round trip 30 mile commute for 13 > years (and yes I did shower after my final mile plus of 10%+ grade.) I was > once invited to do a radio promo f

Re: [RBW] Re: Getting the message out.

2016-04-24 Thread Patrick Moore
I used to commute 15-20 miles each way across town and, even in our high desert climate, I sweated enormously in hot weather. But I got by quite well without showers. I'd start with a shower at home, and when I got to work, I'd cool off before a big fan, then wipe down with rubbing alcohol. Sweat

[RBW] Re: Getting the message out.

2016-04-24 Thread Michael Hechmer
Yes Garth. I'm retired now but did a round trip 30 mile commute for 13 years (and yes I did shower after my final mile plus of 10%+ grade.) I was once invited to do a radio promo for bike commuting, but as the interview went on and I repeatedly answered no I don't ride to save gas, loose weig

[RBW] Re: Getting the message out.

2016-04-24 Thread Julian
Location is key! Having spent a decade in SW CO a few decades ago, growing up in the Mid Atlantic, and currently lining in central IL I can attest to that! I do miss those cool, low humidity summer mornings in SW CO! In my current locale we've got lots of humidity and that does make summer

[RBW] Re: Getting the message out.

2016-04-21 Thread Utah
For those that haven't heard Grant's interview on NPR. I guess it wasn't that long ago... http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2012/05/18/152945439/bike-to-work-day-your-photos-and-riding-advice-from-grant-petersen I also apologize for posibly offending anyone who wishes to shower after ridi

[RBW] Re: Getting the message out.

2016-04-21 Thread Madam Xylene
Count me in as need to shower person after my ride to work, 9 miles uphill 1600 ft elevation. Don't race, don't own a kit but do wear pants like compass knickers and lightweight wool layers depending on weather. My bike is a Cheviut. No matter how slow I go I still need to change and shower. Che

[RBW] Re: Getting the message out.

2016-04-21 Thread Daniel D.
If I'm biking and it's above ~60 degrees, I'm sweating. I'd love a shower and locker available at the end of a commute. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, se

[RBW] Re: Getting the message out.

2016-04-21 Thread masmojo
Dude, that's just hilarious! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email

[RBW] Re: Getting the message out.

2016-04-21 Thread Garth
Certainly yes masmojo ! He was "just being himself" , and by "just being himself" he gave his perspective of "just being himself". Just being yourself IS just riding, it's neither a problem or a solution, you just are being yourself and riding just is too. Agendas are polarizing becau

[RBW] Re: Getting the message out.

2016-04-21 Thread Bill M.
My commute to my old job was about 12 miles each way. I didn't race to work by any means, but was fully warmed up once I got there. Had I not had a shower available I would have been sweaty, itchy, uncomfortable and probably not pleasant to be next to through my work day. So, I dressed for c

[RBW] Re: Getting the message out.

2016-04-21 Thread masmojo
Garth, I think his point was that, his perspective was one they had not considered. I think he is "just riding", but I have encountered this mindset of the bicycle not as a vehicle for transportation, but a workout machine or recreational equipment. While it can be those things, fundamentall

[RBW] Re: Getting the message out.

2016-04-21 Thread Deacon Patrick
Sweet! I showed up at a laid back clydesdale club ride on my Quickbeam. One guy was using his GoPro to "ride" all winter on his indoor cycling wall and he loved the fact that he'd be chasing the guy who was the only one in street clothes, the only one from out of town, the only one on single s

[RBW] Re: Getting the message out.

2016-04-21 Thread masmojo
It's funny how sometimes all it takes is one little thing, one little clue or perspective to change your or someone else's perception of something and you can do it without even trying or intending to do so. I have been trying to get back to a place where I can commute to work again. Then the o

[RBW] Re: Getting the message out.

2016-04-21 Thread Garth
To just ride , is to just ride ! The point is that it is not a "movement" , it's not anything at all, it's *just riding *! That's the point. Making what isn't anything , something(a "movement) is nonsensical. Just riding is just riding, no more more less ! Making something a "moveme