On Mon, 3 Jul 2017 03:45 am, Mark- wrote:
> ad...@python.org wrote:
>
>> Irv Kalb:
>> > I teach Python at two colleges in Silicon Valley.
>>
>>
>> and I don't give a fuck about that.
>
> Wow, some of you folks are so civilized.
It's one person, a troll who is sending abusive and racist messag
alister :
> Beware of the Turing Tar-pit in which everything is possible but
> nothing of interest is easy.
I understand the pitfalls, but the alternatives are simply untenable. In
particular, rule languages are the spawn of the devil.
Marko
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On Sun, 02 Jul 2017 17:45:39 +, Mark- wrote:
> ad...@python.org wrote:
>
>> Irv Kalb:
>> > I teach Python at two colleges in Silicon Valley.
>>
>>
>> and I don't give a fuck about that.
>
> Wow, some of you folks are so civilized.
It's not normally like this. We usually get a much higher
ad...@python.org wrote:
> Irv Kalb:
> > I teach Python at two colleges in Silicon Valley.
>
>
> and I don't give a fuck about that.
Wow, some of you folks are so civilized.
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On Saturday, July 1, 2017 at 12:48:39 AM UTC-5, Christian Gollwitzer wrote:
> Am 30.06.17 um 04:33 schrieb Rick Johnson:
> > And to further drive home the point, you can manually
> > insert a list literal to prove this:
> >
> > >>> range(10)
> > [0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9]
> > >>
On Thursday, June 29, 2017 at 9:58:23 PM UTC-5, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 12:33 PM, Rick Johnson
> > A better *FIRST* example would be something like this:
> >
> > def add(x, y):
> > return x + y
> >
> > When teaching a student about functions, the first step is
>
Am 30.06.17 um 04:33 schrieb Rick Johnson:
And to further drive home the point, you can manually insert
a list literal to prove this:
>>> range(10)
[0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9]
>>> for value in [0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9]:
... print(value)
...
0
1
No
On Sat, Jul 1, 2017 at 1:25 PM, MRAB wrote:
> On 2017-07-01 03:12, Stefan Ram wrote:
>>
>> Terry Reedy writes:
>>>
>>> range is a class, not a function in the strict sense.
>>
>>
>>»the built-in function range() returns an iterator of integers«
>>
>> The Python Language Reference, Re
On 2017-07-01 03:12, Stefan Ram wrote:
Terry Reedy writes:
range is a class, not a function in the strict sense.
»the built-in function range() returns an iterator of integers«
The Python Language Reference, Release 3.6.0, 8.3 The for statement
Python 3.6.1 (v3.6.1:69c0db5, Mar
On 6/30/2017 1:07 PM, Irv Kalb wrote:
Thanks to everyone who responded to my question about teaching the range
function.
range is a class, not a function in the strict sense.
Classes represent concepts. Instances of classes represent instances of
the concept. Range represent the concept 'a
> On Jun 29, 2017, at 2:21 PM, Chris Angelico wrote:
>
> On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 6:57 AM, Irv Kalb wrote:
>> I am wondering if other teachers have run into this. Is this a real
>> problem? If so, is there any other way of explaining the concept without
>> getting into the underlying details
On Sat, Jul 1, 2017 at 2:17 AM, Stefan Ram wrote:
> However, to my defense, I must say that in this post my intend
> was to demonstrate what is happening /behind the curtains/ when
> the »for« loop is running, so in this special case, it might be
> appropriate to use a function that otherw
On Fri, 30 Jun 2017 09:17 am, Stefan Ram wrote:
b = a.__iter__()
Don't do that.
Dunder ("Double UNDERscore") methods like __iter__ should only be called by the
Python interpreter, not by the programmer. The right way to create an iterator
is to call the built-in function iter:
b = iter(a)
Hello Irv, and welcome! Good to have a teacher of Python here!
On Fri, 30 Jun 2017 06:57 am, Irv Kalb wrote:
[...]
> Now I am looking at the change in the range function. I completely understand
> the differences between, and the reasons for, how range works differently in
> Python 2 vs Python
Gregory Ewing wrote:
> Don't start with range(). Start with lists, and introduce the for
> loop as a way to iterate over lists. Leave range() until much later.
> You should be able to go a *long* way without it -- it's quite
> rare to need to iterate over a range of ints in idiomatic Python
> code
On Friday, June 30, 2017 at 8:28:23 AM UTC+5:30, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 12:33 PM, Rick Johnson wrote:
> > A better *FIRST* example would be
> > something like this:
> >
> > def add(x, y):
> > return x + y
> >
> > When teaching a student about functions, the firs
On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 12:33 PM, Rick Johnson
wrote:
> A better *FIRST* example would be
> something like this:
>
> def add(x, y):
> return x + y
>
> When teaching a student about functions, the first step is
> to help them understand *WHY* they need to use functions,
> and the second
On Thursday, June 29, 2017 at 4:01:07 PM UTC-5, Irv Kalb wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> But Python 3's version of the range function has been
> turned into a generator. Again, I understand why this
> happened, and I agree that this is a good change. The
> problem is, how can I explain this concept to stude
Irv Kalb wrote:
In Python 2, I easily
demonstrated the range function using a simple print statement:
print range(0, 10)
I discussed how range returns a list. I gave many examples of different
values being passed into range, and printing the resulting lists.
Next, I introduced the concept of
On 29Jun2017 13:57, Irv Kalb wrote:
Now I am looking at the change in the range function. I completely understand
the differences between, and the reasons for, how range works differently in
Python 2 vs Python 3. The problem that I've run into has to do with how to
explain what range does in
On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 2:57 PM, Irv Kalb wrote:
> Now I am looking at the change in the range function. I completely
> understand the differences between, and the reasons for, how range works
> differently in Python 2 vs Python 3. The problem that I've run into has to
> do with how to explai
On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 6:57 AM, Irv Kalb wrote:
> I am wondering if other teachers have run into this. Is this a real problem?
> If so, is there any other way of explaining the concept without getting into
> the underlying details of how a generator works? Do you think it would be
> helpful
On Friday, October 31, 2014 10:10:33 AM UTC-7, Seymore4Head wrote:
> On Mon, 29 Sep 2014 11:44:01 -0400, Seymore4Head
> wrote:
>
> >On Mon, 29 Sep 2014 15:18:31 +0200, Gabor Urban
> >wrote:
> >
> >>Hi,
> >>
> >>my 11 years old son and his classmate told me, that they would like to
> >>learn Pyth
On Mon, 29 Sep 2014 11:44:01 -0400, Seymore4Head
wrote:
>On Mon, 29 Sep 2014 15:18:31 +0200, Gabor Urban
>wrote:
>
>>Hi,
>>
>>my 11 years old son and his classmate told me, that they would like to
>>learn Python. They did some programming in Logo and turtle graphics, bat
>>not too much.
>>
>>Doe
On 9/29/2014 9:18 AM, Gabor Urban wrote:
Hi,
my 11 years old son and his classmate told me, that they would like to
learn Python. They did some programming in Logo and turtle graphics, bat
not too much.
Doesn anybody has an idea how to start?
Python has a turtle module, so they can continue w
I am actually teaching Python as a side job. My students have ranged from
eighth graders, up to a Silicon Valley hardware engineer who had no coding
experience, but who needed to do some test engineering.
My wife is an elementary school teacher. We occasionally talk about
age-appropriate lear
On 29 September 2014 14:18:31 BST, Gabor Urban wrote:
>my 11 years old son and his classmate told me, that they would like to
>learn Python. They did some programming in Logo and turtle graphics,
>bat
>not too much.
>
>Doesn anybody has an idea how to start?
"How to Think Like a Computer Scient
On Mon, 29 Sep 2014 15:18:31 +0200, Gabor Urban
wrote:
>Hi,
>
>my 11 years old son and his classmate told me, that they would like to
>learn Python. They did some programming in Logo and turtle graphics, bat
>not too much.
>
>Doesn anybody has an idea how to start?
I ordered this book from the l
On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 11:38 PM, Rustom Mody wrote:
>> https://docs.python.org/3/tutorial/
>
> The official tutorial for an 11 year old?? I dont think so...
I don't see why not, to be honest. Not a lot of difference between his
11yo son and my 12yo sister, and I just pointed her at the tutorial
On Monday, September 29, 2014 6:59:10 PM UTC+5:30, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 11:18 PM, Gabor Urban wrote:
> > my 11 years old son and his classmate told me, that they would like to learn
> > Python. They did some programming in Logo and turtle graphics, bat not too
> > much.
>
Gabor Urban wrote:
> Hi,
>
> my 11 years old son and his classmate told me, that they would like to
> learn Python. They did some programming in Logo and turtle graphics, bat
> not too much.
>
> Doesn anybody has an idea how to start?
The Internet is a big place, I always start by searching :-)
On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 11:18 PM, Gabor Urban wrote:
> my 11 years old son and his classmate told me, that they would like to learn
> Python. They did some programming in Logo and turtle graphics, bat not too
> much.
>
> Doesn anybody has an idea how to start?
Right here:
https://docs.python.org
On 14/04/2014 01:20, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Mon, 14 Apr 2014 00:54:02 +0100, Mark Lawrence wrote:
but the powers that be deem fit not
to take any action over.
There is no Internet police. Which is a good thing, for if there were,
this sort of criticism of the Internet police is exactly the
On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 12:13 AM, alex23 wrote:
> http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt
>
> If you are sending a reply to a message or a posting be sure you
> summarize the original at the top of the message, or include just
> enough text of the original to give a context. This will mak
On 11/04/2014 3:42 PM, Rustom Mody wrote:
On Friday, April 11, 2014 10:41:26 AM UTC+5:30, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 2:37 PM, Rustom Mody wrote:
Right. Its true that when I was at a fairly large corporate, I was not told:
"Please always top post!"
What I was very gently and
On Mon, 14 Apr 2014 00:54:02 +0100, Mark Lawrence wrote:
> but the powers that be deem fit not
> to take any action over.
There is no Internet police. Which is a good thing, for if there were,
this sort of criticism of the Internet police is exactly the sort of
thing that would bring down their
On 13/04/2014 23:51, Rhodri James wrote:
On Fri, 11 Apr 2014 21:20:05 +0100, wrote:
On Thursday, April 10, 2014 3:40:22 PM UTC-7, Rhodri James wrote:
It's called irony, and unfortunately Mark is reacting to an
all-to-common
situation that GoogleGroups foists on unsuspecting posters like
yours
On Fri, 11 Apr 2014 21:20:05 +0100, wrote:
On Thursday, April 10, 2014 3:40:22 PM UTC-7, Rhodri James wrote:
It's called irony, and unfortunately Mark is reacting to an
all-to-common
situation that GoogleGroups foists on unsuspecting posters like
yourself.
People who say "I can't be bothe
On Fri, 11 Apr 2014 11:19:22 -0700, Rustom Mody wrote:
> On Friday, April 11, 2014 5:04:28 PM UTC+5:30, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
[...]
> For the rest, Im not sure that you need my help in making a fool of
> yourself... Anyway since you are requesting said help, here goes:
Very strong words.
>> On
On Saturday, April 12, 2014 1:50:05 AM UTC+5:30, pete.b...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, April 10, 2014 3:40:22 PM UTC-7, Rhodri James wrote:
>
> > It's called irony, and unfortunately Mark is reacting to an all-to-common
> > situation that GoogleGroups foists on unsuspecting posters like your
On Thursday, April 10, 2014 3:40:22 PM UTC-7, Rhodri James wrote:
> It's called irony, and unfortunately Mark is reacting to an all-to-common
> situation that GoogleGroups foists on unsuspecting posters like yourself.
People who say "I can't be bothered to correct this" while posting a wise a
On Friday, April 11, 2014 5:04:28 PM UTC+5:30, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> I've been in plenty of mailing list forums where interleaved posting was
> required, but there's only so many times you can tell people off for
> being rude before you start coming across as rude yourself.
> It's one of those
On 4/10/14 10:54 AM, Lalitha Prasad K wrote:
Dear List
Recently I was requested to teach python to a group of students of GIS
(Geographic Information Systems).
Adults? ... what age ranges?
Their knowledge of programming is
zero. The objective is to enable them to write plug-ins for GIS s
On 4/10/14 3:52 PM, pete.bee@gmail.com wrote:
Do you get paid to be a jerk, or is it just for yuks? If the latter, you're
not funny.
Mark is the c.l.python resident margin police. Think of him as a welcome
committee with an attitude.
:)
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On 10/04/2014 21:52, pete.bee@gmail.com wrote:
Just awesome, not only do we have double line spacing and single line
paragraphs, we've also got top posting, oh boy am I a happy bunny :)
I'll leave someone3 else to explain, I just can't be bothered.
Do you get paid to be a jerk, or is
On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 10:39 PM, Tim Chase
wrote:
> On 2014-04-11 11:34, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
>> >> That's equivalent to being told "Don't ever delete any of your
>> >> code, just comment it out". I don't care who's saying that, it's
>> >> bad advice.
>> >
>> > The correct analogy: "Dont ever d
On 2014-04-11 11:34, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> >> That's equivalent to being told "Don't ever delete any of your
> >> code, just comment it out". I don't care who's saying that, it's
> >> bad advice.
> >
> > The correct analogy: "Dont ever delete content from the
> > repository"
>
> No -- the
On Fri, 11 Apr 2014 12:46:05 +0100, Paul Rudin wrote:
> Steven D'Aprano writes:
>
>> On Thu, 10 Apr 2014 22:42:14 -0700, Rustom Mody wrote:
>>
>>> In middle-eastern society women are expected to dress heavier than in
>>> the West. A few years ago a girl went to school in France with a scarf
>>>
On Fri, 11 Apr 2014 21:01:46 +1000, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 8:46 PM, alister
> wrote:
>> Right up to the point when someone forwards on an internal email chain
>> to an external customer without bothering to prune out the bit where
>> someone (usually an engineer like myse
Steven D'Aprano writes:
> On Thu, 10 Apr 2014 22:42:14 -0700, Rustom Mody wrote:
>
>> In middle-eastern society women are expected to dress heavier than in
>> the West. A few years ago a girl went to school in France with a scarf
>> and she was penalized.
>
> Citation please. I think this is bogu
On Thu, 10 Apr 2014 22:54:23 -0700, Rustom Mody wrote:
> What I am pointing out is that if one gets so besotted with irritation
> as to lose coherence, its unlikely that any useful communication will
> ensue.
This, a million times.
If all we do is be curmudgeons who complain about GG's poor post
On Thu, 10 Apr 2014 22:42:14 -0700, Rustom Mody wrote:
> In middle-eastern society women are expected to dress heavier than in
> the West. A few years ago a girl went to school in France with a scarf
> and she was penalized.
Citation please. I think this is bogus, although given how obnoxious som
On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 8:46 PM, alister
wrote:
> Right up to the point when someone forwards on an internal email chain to
> an external customer without bothering to prune out the bit where someone
> (usually an engineer like myself) has stated (bluntly) that what the
> salesman is proposing wil
On Fri, 11 Apr 2014 06:34:46 +0100, Paul Rudin wrote:
>
> It's not necessarily a bad idea to retain context in corporate emails.
> Messages tend to get forwarded to people other than the original
> recipient(s), and the context can be very helpful.
>
Right up to the point when someone forwards on
On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 8:07 PM, Steven D'Aprano
wrote:
> It is, in a way, the corporate equivalent of "RTFM", only enshrined as
> normal practice rather than seen as a deliberate put-down of somebody who
> hasn't done their homework. And because it's normal practice, even those
> who know better
On Thu, 10 Apr 2014 23:39:24 -0600, Ian Kelly wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 11:11 PM, Chris Angelico
> wrote:
[...]
>> Then you were told that by someone who does not understand email.
>> That's equivalent to being told "Don't ever delete any of your code,
>> just comment it out". I don't care
On Thu, 10 Apr 2014 21:37:22 -0700, Rustom Mody wrote:
> Right. Its true that when I was at a fairly large corporate, I was not
> told: "Please always top post!"
That's only because they are ignorant of the terminology of top- bottom-
and interleaved posting. If they knew the term, they would sa
On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 5:09 PM, Steven D'Aprano
wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Apr 2014 13:59:00 +1000, Chris Angelico wrote:
>
>> I have seen plenty of cultures where people are unaware of the value of
>> interleaved/bottom posting, but so far, not one where anyone has
>> actually required it. Not one.
>
>
On Fri, 11 Apr 2014 13:59:00 +1000, Chris Angelico wrote:
> I have seen plenty of cultures where people are unaware of the value of
> interleaved/bottom posting, but so far, not one where anyone has
> actually required it. Not one.
I've been in plenty of mailing list forums where interleaved pos
On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 3:54 PM, Rustom Mody wrote:
> Just to make it clear:
> 1. I have no objection to the python list culture.
> As I said I tend to follow it in places where it is not the norm and get
> chided for it
> [For the record on other groups which are exclusively GG/gmail based
On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 3:42 PM, Rustom Mody wrote:
> People whose familiarity with religion is limited to the Judeo-Christian
> tradition are inclined to the view (usually implicit) that
> "being religious" == "belief in God"
> However there are religions where belief in God is irreligious -- Jai
On Friday, April 11, 2014 11:12:14 AM UTC+5:30, Rustom Mody wrote:
> On Friday, April 11, 2014 10:41:26 AM UTC+5:30, Chris Angelico wrote:
> > Also unhelpful is to suggest that norms should, simply *because* they
> > are the prevailing practice, be maintained. Even if everyone else on
> > python-li
On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 3:39 PM, Ian Kelly wrote:
> That depends on what the mail is being used for. For instance there's
> a difference between mail-as-dialogue and mail-as-business-process.
> In the former it is normal, even polite, to prune as the topic evolves
> and past quotations become les
On Friday, April 11, 2014 10:41:26 AM UTC+5:30, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 2:37 PM, Rustom Mody wrote:
> > Right. Its true that when I was at a fairly large corporate, I was not told:
> > "Please always top post!"
> >
> > What I was very gently and super politely told was:
> >
On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 3:34 PM, Paul Rudin wrote:
> Chris Angelico writes:
>
>> On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 2:37 PM, Rustom Mody wrote:
>>> What I was very gently and super politely told was:
>>> "Please dont delete mail context"
>>
>> Then you were told that by someone who does not understand emai
On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 11:11 PM, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 2:37 PM, Rustom Mody wrote:
>> Right. Its true that when I was at a fairly large corporate, I was not told:
>> "Please always top post!"
>>
>> What I was very gently and super politely told was:
>> "Please dont dele
Chris Angelico writes:
> On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 2:37 PM, Rustom Mody wrote:
>> Right. Its true that when I was at a fairly large corporate, I was not told:
>> "Please always top post!"
>>
>> What I was very gently and super politely told was:
>> "Please dont delete mail context"
>
> Then you we
On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 2:37 PM, Rustom Mody wrote:
> Right. Its true that when I was at a fairly large corporate, I was not told:
> "Please always top post!"
>
> What I was very gently and super politely told was:
> "Please dont delete mail context"
Then you were told that by someone who does no
On Friday, April 11, 2014 9:29:00 AM UTC+5:30, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 1:17 PM, Rustom Mody wrote:
>
> > There are cultures -- far more pervasive than USENET in 2014 -- where
> > top posting is the norm, eg
>
> > - Gmail makes top posting the norm. Compare the figures of g
On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 1:17 PM, Rustom Mody wrote:
> There are cultures -- far more pervasive than USENET in 2014 -- where
> top posting is the norm, eg
> - Gmail makes top posting the norm. Compare the figures of gmail and Usenet
> users
> - Corporate cultures more or less require top posting -
On Friday, April 11, 2014 4:10:22 AM UTC+5:30, Rhodri James wrote:
> Sorry your post was the straw to break the camel's back this week, but it
> is a complete pain to the rest of us. I have more than once considered
> getting my reader to automatically discard anything with
> "@googlegroups.
On Thu, 10 Apr 2014 21:52:53 +0100, wrote:
Just awesome, not only do we have double line spacing and single line
paragraphs, we've also got top posting, oh boy am I a happy bunny :)
I'll leave someone3 else to explain, I just can't be bothered.
Do you get paid to be a jerk, or is it ju
>
> Just awesome, not only do we have double line spacing and single line
>
> paragraphs, we've also got top posting, oh boy am I a happy bunny :)
>
> I'll leave someone3 else to explain, I just can't be bothered.
>
>
Do you get paid to be a jerk, or is it just for yuks? If the latter, yo
On 10/04/2014 18:53, pete.bee@gmail.com wrote:
Don't underestimate the value of morale. Python is a scripting language. You
don't need to teach them very much python to get something working, and you can
always revisit the initial code and refactor it for better coding hygiene.
Someday the
On Thursday, April 10, 2014 9:24:48 PM UTC+5:30, Lalitha Prasad K wrote:
> Dear List
>
> Recently I was requested to teach python to a group of students of GIS
> (Geographic Information Systems). Their knowledge of programming is zero. The
> objective is to enable them to write plug-ins for GIS
Don't underestimate the value of morale. Python is a scripting language. You
don't need to teach them very much python to get something working, and you can
always revisit the initial code and refactor it for better coding hygiene.
Someday they might have jobs, and be required to learn things i
On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 01:04:55AM -0500, harrismh777 wrote:
> Westley Martínez wrote:
> >But really, hack
> >> >has always been a negative term. It's original definition is chopping,
> >> >breaking down, kind of like chopping down the security on someone elses
> >> >computer. Now I don't know wh
Westley Martínez wrote:
But really, hack
>has always been a negative term. It's original definition is chopping,
>breaking down, kind of like chopping down the security on someone elses
>computer. Now I don't know where the term originally came from, but the
>definition the media uses is q
MRAB wrote:
A computer hacker doesn't write the requirements of the software or
draw Jackson Structured Programming diagrams, etc, but just thinks
about what's needed and starts writing the code.
Very close...
... hackers don't necessarily care what something was designed to do,
only what ca
MRAB wrote:
That's a cowboy coder.
A cowboy coder is someone who's bad at coding, a hacker is someone
who's good at it.
A hacker is someone who loves to code and doesn't really care whether
anyone else thinks they're really at it or not... although, yes, they
generally are *very* good at it
On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 01:25:00AM +0100, MRAB wrote:
> On 21/04/2011 23:36, Westley Martínez wrote:
> >On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 05:11:32PM +0100, MRAB wrote:
> >>On 21/04/2011 14:58, Westley Martínez wrote:
> >>>On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 06:02:08AM +0200, Stefan Behnel wrote:
> Ben Finney, 20.04.
On 21/04/2011 23:36, Westley Martínez wrote:
On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 05:11:32PM +0100, MRAB wrote:
On 21/04/2011 14:58, Westley Martínez wrote:
On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 06:02:08AM +0200, Stefan Behnel wrote:
Ben Finney, 20.04.2011 02:06:
Dan Stromberg writes:
On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 4:03 PM,
On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 05:11:32PM +0100, MRAB wrote:
> On 21/04/2011 14:58, Westley Martínez wrote:
> >On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 06:02:08AM +0200, Stefan Behnel wrote:
> >>Ben Finney, 20.04.2011 02:06:
> >>>Dan Stromberg writes:
> >>>
> On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 4:03 PM, geremy condra wrote:
> >>>
On 21/04/2011 14:58, Westley Martínez wrote:
On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 06:02:08AM +0200, Stefan Behnel wrote:
Ben Finney, 20.04.2011 02:06:
Dan Stromberg writes:
On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 4:03 PM, geremy condra wrote:
When you say 'hacking', you mean ?
Presumably he meant the real meaning
On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 06:02:08AM +0200, Stefan Behnel wrote:
> Ben Finney, 20.04.2011 02:06:
> >Dan Stromberg writes:
> >
> >>On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 4:03 PM, geremy condra wrote:
> >>>When you say 'hacking', you mean ?
> >>
> >>Presumably he meant the real meaning of the word, not what the p
Ben Finney, 20.04.2011 02:06:
Dan Stromberg writes:
On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 4:03 PM, geremy condra wrote:
When you say 'hacking', you mean ?
Presumably he meant the real meaning of the word, not what the press
made up and ran with.
To be fair, the press already had its own pejorative m
Chris Angelico wrote:
Hacking??
1) Tinkering, programming, building furniture with an axe.
2) Breaking and entering in the electronic world.
Not so much.
In the comp.lang.python community hacking is most easily identified with
the many one-liners that show up... that is the underlying spiri
well...
they are freshmen wanna know how to learn programming , actually ,python
will be such a great programming language
funded their hobbies ，you are looking for material and some website ，yeah
，why not give this problem to your students ，ask the freshmen to prepare for
some material and webs
On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 8:17 PM, Steven D'Aprano
wrote:
> It's hardly just the press. "Hack" is a fine old English word:
>
"Can you teach me how to hack?"
"Sure. Go to the tobacconists and buy him out, then smoke the lot.
You'll be hacking like a pro in no time!"
Chris Angelico
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On 4/20/2011 6:17 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
It's hardly just the press. "Hack" is a fine old English word:
"The jungle explorer hacked at the undergrowth with his machete."
"I was so hungry, I didn't take the time to neatly slice up the meat, but
just hacked off a chunk and stuffed it in my m
On Wed, 20 Apr 2011 10:06:27 +1000, Ben Finney wrote:
> Dan Stromberg writes:
>
>> On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 4:03 PM, geremy condra
>> wrote:
>> > When you say 'hacking', you mean ?
>>
>> Presumably he meant the real meaning of the word, not what the press
>> made up and ran with.
>
> To be
Passiday wrote:
I think Python is a very important language to learn - both easy and advanced,
with very wide support in different platforms, with loads of great applications
that can be scripted by it, and great community support.
Yes. In my opinion, Python is the new BASIC. I date back to
Of course, I meant the "tinkering, playing with, etc." meaning. That would be
quite strange to look for an advice "how to break the Pentagon's systems" in
public forum :) And while I plan to tell them about the "practical
programming" (ie, typical tasks what they would be doing when hired), I t
Passiday wrote:
I am planning to teach Python to a group of high school students, who have
in-depth interest in programming, hacking etc.
I am looking for some good material, what I could use as a basic guide when
preparing the classes plan for the course - website or book, what would roll
ou
On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 1:48 PM, Sourav wrote:
> Hacking??
1) Tinkering, programming, building furniture with an axe.
2) Breaking and entering in the electronic world.
I assume the OP meant #1, although when I talk about "hacking" in this
sort of sense, I'm thinking more in terms of tinkering w
Lot of tutorials on net. Specially Python's own site.
Dive into Python seems a good start
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Here are a few tutorials which may be helpful for notes &etc:
Author,Series,Lectures,Slides/Documentation,Assignments,Difficulty
MIT,A Gentle Introduction to Programming Using Python,on iTunes
Uÿhttp://itunes.apple.com/us/itunes-u/introduction-to-computer-science/id341597455,http://stuff.mit.edu/i
Author
Series
Lectures Slides/Documentation
Assignments
Difficulty
MIT
A Gentle Introduction to Programming Using Python
on iTunes U
http://itunes.apple.com/us/itunes-u/introduction-to-computer-science/id341597455
http://stuff.mit.edu/iap/python/
http://ocw.mit.edu/courses/electrical-engi
Passiday writes:
> Hello,
>
> I am planning to teach Python to a group of high school students, who
> have in-depth interest in programming, hacking etc.
>
> I am looking for some good material, what I could use as a basic guide
> when preparing the classes plan for the course - website or book,
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