On Friday, April 11, 2014 5:04:28 PM UTC+5:30, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > I've been in plenty of mailing list forums where interleaved posting was > required, but there's only so many times you can tell people off for > being rude before you start coming across as rude yourself.
> It's one of those nasty aspects of human psychology: the guy who casually > and without malice tosses litter out of his car window, spoiling things > for everyone, is somehow considered less obnoxious than the person who > tells him off. Except in Switzerland, where if you leave your rubbish bin > out more than twenty minutes after its been emptied, the neighbours > consider it perfectly acceptable to tell you off, never mind that you've > been at work. And heaven help you if you take your discarded Christmas > tree down to the street too early. Yes this is correct: we make the world a worse place by choosing to be 'nice guys' when some telling off would help. And I am remiss on this matter since I dont post that python-google-groups link when I should. [Can never find the damn link when needed though I wrote half of it myself!] For the rest, Im not sure that you need my help in making a fool of yourself... Anyway since you are requesting said help, here goes: > On Thu, 10 Apr 2014 22:42:14 -0700, Rustom Mody wrote: > > > > People whose familiarity with religion is limited to the Judeo-Christian > > tradition are inclined to the view (usually implicit) that "being > > religious" == "belief in God" > > However there are religions where belief in God is irreligious -- > > > Jainism > > I think that it will come as rather a surprise to Jains to be told that > they don't believe in god. In fact, they believe in a multitude of gods > (not surprising, as Jainism is derived from Hinduism) and believe that > every soul has the potential to become a god. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_in_Jainism and particularly http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_in_Jainism#Heavenly_Beings > > And others where it is is irrelevant -- Tao, Shinto. [There is > > the story of a westerner who wen to a shinto temple and said: All this > > (rites) is fine and beautiful but what's your *philosophy* To which he > > was told: "Philosophy? We have no philosophy! We dance!"] > > A nice story, but the name "Shinto" even means "The Way Of The Gods", so > claiming that Shinto is not about gods is rubbish. http://books.google.co.in/books?id=b-VACc7jcOAC&lpg=PA159&ots=femTbp96rh&dq=shinto%20%22We%20have%20no%20philosophy%22%20we%20dance&pg=PA159#v=onepage&q=shinto%20%22We%20have%20no%20philosophy%22%20we%20dance&f=false > > In middle-eastern society women are expected to dress heavier than in > > the West. A few years ago a girl went to school in France with a scarf > > and she was penalized. > > Citation please. I think this is bogus, although given how obnoxious some > schools can be I'm not quite prepared to rule it out altogether. I think > it's far more likely that she was only penalized for wearing full head- > covering (not just a scarf) after being warned that it was not part of > the school uniform and therefore not appropriate. In spite of Paul pointing out the link (thanks Paul) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_scarf_controversy_in_France you still persist in > in this specific case, I stand by my skepticism So you think that wikipedia link/article is bogus? Anyway.. To come back to the point of those examples: You are welcome to your view: > I don't know that there is anyone here that thinks interleaved posting is > the norm among the majority of email users. Nor is anyone saying that > Usenet posters make up a majority of internet users. What we are saying > is that *interleaved posting is objectively better* for most forms of > email or news communication (although it is not a panacea), and > especially for *technical discussions* like those that occur here. All those examples were adduced only to say that like matters of dress and matters of God-belief are not absolute standards in any frame, in any sense, so also mail etiquette. -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
