On 2011-02-04 13:34:42 -0500, rantingrick said:
I don't care who *that* person is as long as *they* are willing to
push IDLE forward. I would be honored to accept the reigns and lead OR
follow someone else's lead. But we need to receive the old idlefork or
have them delete the old idle fork as t
On 05/02/2011 09:44, flebber wrote:
On Feb 5, 10:24 am, Stephen Hansen wrote:
On 2/4/11 3:01 PM, rantingrick wrote:
Put your money where your mouth is.
ditto!
I thought as much.
My money is where my mouth is: but that is not IDLE, as I have no use
for it and no interest in it at all. Th
On Feb 5, 10:24 am, Stephen Hansen wrote:
> On 2/4/11 3:01 PM, rantingrick wrote:
>
> >> Put your money where your mouth is.
>
> > ditto!
>
> I thought as much.
>
> My money is where my mouth is: but that is not IDLE, as I have no use
> for it and no interest in it at all. The status quo with rega
On 2/4/11 3:01 PM, rantingrick wrote:
>> Put your money where your mouth is.
>
> ditto!
I thought as much.
My money is where my mouth is: but that is not IDLE, as I have no use
for it and no interest in it at all. The status quo with regards to IDLE
is satisfactory to me.
You're the one talking
On Feb 4, 12:49 pm, Stephen Hansen wrote:
> On 2/4/11 10:34 AM, rantingrick wrote:
>
> > But we need to receive the old idlefork or
> > have them delete the old idle fork as too much confusion will spread
> > with when two idleforks exists.
>
> This is nonsense. And probably just another excuse fo
On 2/4/11 10:34 AM, rantingrick wrote:
> But we need to receive the old idlefork or
> have them delete the old idle fork as too much confusion will spread
> with when two idleforks exists.
This is nonsense. And probably just another excuse for you to rant
instead of actually doing something of any
On Feb 4, 3:55 am, flebber wrote:
> Enough talk ratingrick where is your feature and request tracker for
> your idle fork? How can people assist you in your new idle fork
> project? What are your stated project goals & timeline?
I am ready flebber but we have a problem. An old IDLE fork project
On Feb 3, 11:15 am, rantingrick wrote:
> If anyone would like to see a good example of how IDLE code should be
> written. I highly suggest you check out the source for PyShell and
> PyCrust which is located in roughly...
>
> HOME\PythonXX\Lib\site-packages\wx-2.8-msw-ansi\wx\py:
> * shell.py
> *
On Feb 3, 7:41 am, Corey Richardson wrote:
> On 2/2/2011 2:44 PM, rantingrick wrote:
>
> Will you be forking IDLE and setting up some sort of tracker for
> improvements?
+1 for this.
Enough talk ratingrick where is your feature and request tracker for
your idle fork? How can people assist you i
If anyone would like to see a good example of how IDLE code should be
written. I highly suggest you check out the source for PyShell and
PyCrust which is located in roughly...
HOME\PythonXX\Lib\site-packages\wx-2.8-msw-ansi\wx\py:
* shell.py
* crust.py
* filling.py
Also run these scripts to s
On Feb 3, 4:29 am, flebber wrote:
> For an example of a brilliant beginners "ide" racket has it covered
> with DrRackethttp://racket-lang.org/, it has selectable language
> levels beginner, intermediate, advanced that allows the learner to
> adjust the level of language features available as they
On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 5:29 AM, flebber wrote:
> On Feb 1, 11:38 pm, rantingrick wrote:
>> On Feb 1, 4:20 am, flebber wrote:
>>
>> > Sorry Rick too boringtrying to get bored people to bite at your
>> > ultra lame post yawn...
>>
>> Well reality and truth both has a tendency to be bor
On Feb 1, 11:38 pm, rantingrick wrote:
> On Feb 1, 4:20 am, flebber wrote:
>
> > Sorry Rick too boringtrying to get bored people to bite at your
> > ultra lame post yawn...
>
> Well reality and truth both has a tendency to be boring. Why? Well
> because we bathe in them daily. We have
On Feb 2, 9:03 pm, alex23 wrote:
> rantingrick wrote:
> > Hmm, that coming from someone who has two posts in this group. And the
> > last he posted was a year ago!
>
> Wait, I thought you had the approval of the silent majority?
>
> So once anyone actually posts, they lost the right to be counted
On Wed, 02 Feb 2011 20:01:11 -0800, alex23 wrote:
> rantingrick wrote:
>> No they are trolls and they have demonstrated trollish behavior on many
>> occasions. Some have even threatened to kill me. Can you believe that?
>
> No. Link or it did not happen.
Ha ha ha ha, did RR actually say that??
On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 11:44 PM, Mel wrote:
> alex23 wrote:
>
> >> Why is it necessarily for you guys to advertise when you plonk. Just
> >> plonk and shut up about it. Nobody cares what you do with your own
> >> incoming email. Really, are you that self centered as to think we
> >> actually care
alex23 wrote:
>> Why is it necessarily for you guys to advertise when you plonk. Just
>> plonk and shut up about it. Nobody cares what you do with your own
>> incoming email. Really, are you that self centered as to think we
>> actually care?
>
> Citation: http://goo.gl/LlBFj
Actually, FWIW, not
rantingrick wrote:
> That is all you have brought to this conversion so far. You have not
> offered solutions for IDLE, heck you don't even inject an opinion of
> IDLE. You just spew bile. Have fun with your new playmates.
>
> py> flamer_group.append(troll_group.pop("Corey Richardson"))
Ah, the h
rantingrick wrote:
> Hmm, that coming from someone who has two posts in this group. And the
> last he posted was a year ago!
Wait, I thought you had the approval of the silent majority?
So once anyone actually posts, they lost the right to be counted,
because only when they shut up can you consi
rantingrick wrote:
>Well your statment completely ignores the silent majority.
There's a term for people who believe they act with the tacit approval
of the majority: megalomania.
It's also known as narcissistic personality disorder.
> No they are trolls and they have demonstrated trollish beha
On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 4:45 PM, rantingrick wrote:
> On Feb 2, 2:41 pm, Corey Richardson wrote:
>
> > I don't recall ever doing anything but injecting my honest opinion. If
> > my opinion may be flawed (or appears to be flawed, I usually don't
> > elaborate on my ideas enough), so be it.
>
> Yes
On 2011-01-31, rantingrick wrote:
> IDLE: A cornicopia of mediocrity and obfuscation.
> -- by Rick Johnson
RR's postings are generally tossed out by my score file, but after
seeing so many replies, my morbid curiousity finally got the best of
me, and I read (well, mostly) RR's p
On Feb 2, 2:41 pm, Corey Richardson wrote:
> I don't recall ever doing anything but injecting my honest opinion. If
> my opinion may be flawed (or appears to be flawed, I usually don't
> elaborate on my ideas enough), so be it.
Yes you are correct. When i added you to the troll list that was by
On 2011-02-02 16:11:26 -0500, Terry Reedy said:
On 2/1/2011 7:46 PM, Corey Richardson wrote:
On 02/01/2011 07:42 PM, Robert wrote:
On 2011-02-01 10:54:26 -0500, Terry Reedy said:
Perhaps, after the repository moves from svn to hg, some 'we' will.
If he does not, I think I might. Is there
On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 9:25 PM, Emile van Sebille wrote:
> ActivePython 2.6.1.1 (ActiveState Software Inc.) based on
> Python 2.6.1 (r261:67515, Dec 5 2008, 13:58:38) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)]
> on
> win32
> Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
import sys
On 2/2/2011 1:09 PM Noah Hall said...
On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 7:44 PM, rantingrick wrote:
On Feb 1, 11:23 am, rantingrick wrote:
py> troll_group.append("Red John")
py> flamer_group.append(troll_group.pop("Corey Richardson"))
Out of interest, what interpretor uses "py>"?
I've never seen a
On 2/1/2011 7:46 PM, Corey Richardson wrote:
On 02/01/2011 07:42 PM, Robert wrote:
On 2011-02-01 10:54:26 -0500, Terry Reedy said:
Perhaps, after the repository moves from svn to hg, some 'we' will.
If he does not, I think I might. Is there a timeline for the move?
Unclear. Many want imm
On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 7:44 PM, rantingrick wrote:
>> On Feb 1, 11:23 am, rantingrick wrote:
>> > py> troll_group.append("Red John")
> py> flamer_group.append(troll_group.pop("Corey Richardson"))
Out of interest, what interpretor uses "py>"?
I've never seen any. Just sayin'.
--
http://mail.pyt
On 2/2/2011 2:44 PM, rantingrick wrote:
[snip]
py> flamer_group.append(troll_group.pop("Corey Richardson"))
Your moving up Corey. Keep up the good work!
I don't recall ever doing anything but injecting my honest opinion. If
my opinion may be flawed (or appears to be flawed, I usually don't
On Feb 2, 12:12 pm, Red John wrote:
> On Feb 1, 11:23 am, rantingrick wrote:
>
> > Hmm, that coming from someone who has two posts in this group. And the
> > last he posted was a year ago! Alright, let me add you to the proper
> > category...
>
> > py> troll_group.append("Red John")
>
> I realize
On Feb 1, 11:23 am, rantingrick wrote:
> Hmm, that coming from someone who has two posts in this group. And the
> last he posted was a year ago! Alright, let me add you to the proper
> category...
>
> py> troll_group.append("Red John")
I realize that not agreeing with you is enough to be labeled
What does Chopin have to do with IDLE?
And can you put me on your troll group? It looks like a pretty fun
bunch.
On Tue, 2011-02-01 at 09:26 -0800, rantingrick wrote:
> On Feb 1, 10:29 am, "Littlefield, Tyler" wrote:
>
> > I hope everyone will
> > excuse me now, I must dash off to slit my wri
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5jKMEB4hHE
On Tue, 2011-02-01 at 10:23 -0800, rantingrick wrote:
> On Feb 1, 11:52 am, Red John wrote:
>
> > Go away. You are easily one of the worst (and definitely most
> > annoying) person I've encountered in person or online, which is saying
> > something be
On Jan 31, 9:39 am, rantingrick wrote:
> IDLE: cornucopia
...
> These are just the top of the list. The peak of a huge iceberg that
> threatens to sink the community in the arms of chaos never to return.
That being said, I've taught a lot of people Python using IDLE.
It's a surprisingly producti
On 02/01/2011 07:42 PM, Robert wrote:
> On 2011-02-01 10:54:26 -0500, Terry Reedy said:
>
>> On 2/1/2011 12:13 AM, rantingrick wrote:
>>> On Jan 31, 4:17 pm, Kevin Walzer wrote:
Rick,
>>
>>> Yes. IDLE is first and foremost a tool to get work done. However we
>>> should not ignore the fact th
On 2011-02-01 10:54:26 -0500, Terry Reedy said:
On 2/1/2011 12:13 AM, rantingrick wrote:
On Jan 31, 4:17 pm, Kevin Walzer wrote:
Rick,
Yes. IDLE is first and foremost a tool to get work done. However we
should not ignore the fact that IDLE could also be a great learning
resource for Tkinte
On 02/01/2011 08:26 AM, Noah Hall wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 3:14 PM, rantingrick wrote:
>> #-- Embedded Trolls and Minions --#
> These people, including myself, aren't trolls nor minions. They just
> don't agree with you.
I strongly disagree with rr and find him to be an egotistical troll w
On Feb 2, 4:14 am, rantingrick wrote:
> On Feb 1, 8:27 am, Jean-Michel Pichavant
> wrote:
>
> > In a more serious way, just count the people who second your
> > prosposition. It's around 0. It is usually a good sign that you're
> > wrong. This rule kinda applies to anyone, don't take it personnal
On 02/01/2011 03:05 PM, rantingrick wrote:
> On Feb 1, 1:35 pm, John Nagle wrote:
>> On 1/31/2011 2:17 PM, Kevin Walzer wrote:
>>
>>> It certainly would be interesting to see a fresh approach to IDLE...
>>
>> The future of "playing with Python" is probably Python in a browser
>> window, of which t
On Feb 1, 1:35 pm, John Nagle wrote:
> On 1/31/2011 2:17 PM, Kevin Walzer wrote:
>
> > It certainly would be interesting to see a fresh approach to IDLE...
>
> The future of "playing with Python" is probably Python in a browser
> window, of which there are several implementations.
Hello John,
I
On 1/31/2011 2:17 PM, Kevin Walzer wrote:
It certainly would be interesting to see a fresh approach to IDLE...
The future of "playing with Python" is probably Python in a browser
window, of which there are several implementations. If you're doing
anything serious, you're using a programme
On 2/1/2011 11:18 AM, rantingrick wrote:
Well the best attribute of IDLE is backward compatibility -- there is
none to worry about. IDLE is not a module with an interface, it's just
a tool. So we could change anything we want without worry of causing
code breakage. There is not good reason NOT t
In the grand scope of things...you're all boring.
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rantingrick wrote:
> Terry (or anyone) can you give some link to info on "hg"
> so i can study up on this topic ?
http://mercurial.selenic.com/
--
Stanley C. Kitching
Human Being
Phoenix, Arizona
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On Feb 1, 11:52 am, Red John wrote:
> Go away. You are easily one of the worst (and definitely most
> annoying) person I've encountered in person or online, which is saying
> something because I used to frequent 4chan.
Hmm, that coming from someone who has two posts in this group. And the
last h
On 2011-02-01 00:13:06 -0500, rantingrick said:
On Jan 31, 4:17 pm, Kevin Walzer wrote:
Yes. IDLE is first and foremost a tool to get work done. However we
should not ignore the fact that IDLE could also be a great learning
resource for Tkinter GUI's and other subjects. Why not clean up the
co
On Feb 1, 10:26 am, rantingrick wrote:
> On Feb 1, 10:29 am, "Littlefield, Tyler" wrote:
>
> > I hope everyone will
> > excuse me now, I must dash off to slit my wrists in a tub of warm water
> > and listen to Free Bird,
>
> Free Bird! hmm, I would have chosen Chopin's nocturne 48-1 or 72-1 if
>
On Feb 1, 10:29 am, "Littlefield, Tyler" wrote:
> I hope everyone will
> excuse me now, I must dash off to slit my wrists in a tub of warm water
> and listen to Free Bird,
Free Bird! hmm, I would have chosen Chopin's nocturne 48-1 or 72-1 if
i was feeling rather melancholy at the moment. Then t
>See now you are offering truth in your argument! Keep this up and i'll
>move you over to the occasional flamers group. Then over time, if you
>can demonstrate an ability to engage in lively discussion based on
>facts and not emotion, i *may* even move you into the moderates group.
O no, whatever
On Feb 1, 9:54 am, Terry Reedy wrote:
> On 2/1/2011 12:13 AM, rantingrick wrote:
>
> > On Jan 31, 4:17 pm, Kevin Walzer wrote:
> >> Rick,
> > Yes. IDLE is first and foremost a tool to get work done. However we
> > should not ignore the fact that IDLE could also be a great learning
> > resource fo
On 2/1/11 10:54 AM, Terry Reedy wrote:
Maybe Kevin would help a bit.
Probably not--IDLE is good enough for my needs. I've submitted some
(rather extensive) patches for things that annoyed me and got in my way,
and they eventually made it in. (The classic open source
pathway--scratching my ow
On Feb 1, 9:26 am, Noah Hall wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 3:14 PM, rantingrick wrote:
> > #-- Embedded Trolls and Minions --#
> > Steven D'Aprano(smart and witty (annoying) troll)
> > Stephan Hansen (controversy troll)
> > Ben Finny (haughty troll)
> > alex23(angry/dangerous troll)
> > Tyler L
On 2/1/2011 12:13 AM, rantingrick wrote:
On Jan 31, 4:17 pm, Kevin Walzer wrote:
Rick,
Yes. IDLE is first and foremost a tool to get work done. However we
should not ignore the fact that IDLE could also be a great learning
resource for Tkinter GUI's and other subjects. Why not clean up the
c
On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 3:14 PM, rantingrick wrote:
> #-- Embedded Trolls and Minions --#
> Steven D'Aprano(smart and witty (annoying) troll)
> Stephan Hansen (controversy troll)
> Ben Finny (haughty troll)
> alex23(angry/dangerous troll)
> Tyler Littlefeild(confused troll)
> Bryan ? (annoying trol
On Feb 1, 8:27 am, Jean-Michel Pichavant
wrote:
> In a more serious way, just count the people who second your
> prosposition. It's around 0. It is usually a good sign that you're
> wrong. This rule kinda applies to anyone, don't take it personnaly.
Well your statment completely ignores the sile
Man you're a real comedian. This is a hilarious thread. Keep up the good
work!
On Tue, 2011-02-01 at 05:38 -0800, rantingrick wrote:
> On Feb 1, 6:53 am, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
>
> > If you despise IDLE so much - use one of the many other IDE's that
> > support Python; move on.
>
> Not ex
rantingrick wrote:
On Feb 1, 6:53 am, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
If you despise IDLE so much - use one of the many other IDE's that
support Python; move on.
Not exactly. Can we continue to ignore such lackluster and shabby code
in OUR stdlib. Remember the code reflects on all of us!
On Tuesday, February 1, 2011 9:38:26 AM UTC-4, Richard "rantingrick"
Johnson wrote:
> On Feb 1, 6:53 am, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
>
> > If you despise IDLE so much - use one of the many other IDE's that
> > support Python; move on.
>
> Not exactly. Can we continue to ignore such lackluster a
On Feb 1, 6:53 am, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
> If you despise IDLE so much - use one of the many other IDE's that
> support Python; move on.
Not exactly. Can we continue to ignore such lackluster and shabby code
in OUR stdlib. Remember the code reflects on all of us!
--
http://mail.python.org
On Tue, 2011-02-01 at 04:38 -0800, rantingrick wrote:
> On Feb 1, 4:20 am, flebber wrote:
> > Sorry Rick too boringtrying to get bored people to bite at your
> > ultra lame post yawn...
> Well reality and truth both has a tendency to be boring.
Even more true of pointless and drawn-o
On Feb 1, 4:20 am, flebber wrote:
> Sorry Rick too boringtrying to get bored people to bite at your
> ultra lame post yawn...
Well reality and truth both has a tendency to be boring. Why? Well
because we bathe in them daily. We have come accustomed, acclimated,
and sadly complacent o
On Feb 1, 4:39 am, rantingrick wrote:
> IDLE: A cornicopia of mediocrity and obfuscation.
> -- by Rick Johnson
>
> IDLE --which is the Python Integrated Development and Learning
> Environment-- was once the apple of Guido's eye but has since
> degenerated into madness man
On Feb 1, 11:14 am, rusi wrote:
> On Feb 1, 1:35 am, Raymond Hettinger wrote:
snipped
O O wrong thread... sorry!
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On Feb 1, 1:35 am, Raymond Hettinger wrote:
> However, even the parts of the standard library written in pure Python
> don't seem to be getting read anymore, so I'm still inclined to
> attribute the issue to 1) inconvenient placement of source code,
> 2) a largish code base, and 3) possibly a cult
On 1/31/11 9:26 PM, rantingrick wrote:
> Oh, and Trish, if you are out there and you would like a "personal"
> introduction to Python programming i would be very happy to give you
> some very, very, private lessons using my python...
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
> interpretor. *wink*
>
> ;-)
You are d
On Jan 31, 9:24 pm, Giampaolo Rodolà wrote:
> Actually I don't even understand how can IDLE source code quality have
> anything to do with python success or future adoption, as you implied
> in your statements.
Well thats because you are not looking at this from the correct
perspective. Every pi
On Jan 31, 4:38 pm, Robert wrote:
> I think it would be interesting as well. H, I am about to do the
> O'Reilly series that Steve Holden did for Python.
Did you see the video Steve Holden did with Trish Gray? Just for fun
fast forward to 0:03:30. Just as Trish comments about Python diversity
On Jan 31, 4:17 pm, Kevin Walzer wrote:
> Rick,
>
> I've spent a fair amount of time in the IDLE source tree, putting
> together patches for various Mac-specific bugs and submitting them to
> the Python tracker, and I agree the code is crufty and disorganized. It
> is certainly not an example of c
2011/1/31 rantingrick :
> In an ideal world it should be the first place you look when wanting
> to learn how to build medium sized GUI projects with the built-in
> Tkinter module.
I wouldn't do that, and thankfully in the *real* world what is
considered more important usually gets more attention.
On 1/31/11 10:12 AM, rantingrick wrote:
> -- rr: disappointed and annoyed!
tl;dr
You did this one before, I swear.
You're running out of material.
--
Stephen Hansen
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On Mon, 2011-01-31 at 09:39 -0800, rantingrick wrote:
> IDLE: A cornicopia of mediocrity and obfuscation.
> -- by Rick Johnson
>
>
> IDLE --which is the Python Integrated Development and Learning
> Environment-- was once the apple
On 2011-01-31 17:17:06 -0500, Kevin Walzer said:
It certainly would be interesting to see a fresh approach to IDLE, and I
think the scope of such a project would be much easier for a single
person to manage than would replacing Tkinter in the stdlib with another
GUI toolkit, such as wxPython, o
Rick,
I've spent a fair amount of time in the IDLE source tree, putting
together patches for various Mac-specific bugs and submitting them to
the Python tracker, and I agree the code is crufty and disorganized. It
is certainly not an example of current best practices in Tkinter
development. T
On 2011-01-31 15:19:44 -0500, rantingrick said:
On Jan 31, 1:32 pm, Giampaolo Rodolà wrote:
So what you're actually telling is that Python won't survive another
10 years because:
- IDLE is it's default editor
Well not solely because IDLE is the default editor. IDLE is very
useful to newcomm
On Jan 31, 1:32 pm, Giampaolo Rodolà wrote:
> So what you're actually telling is that Python won't survive another
> 10 years because:
>
> - IDLE is it's default editor
Well not solely because IDLE is the default editor. IDLE is very
useful to newcommers and could be made even more useful however
:
> Due to some errors i need to repost.
> Thank you.
>
>
>
> IDLE: A cornicopia of mediocrity and obfuscation.
> -- by Rick Johnson
>
>
> IDLE --which is the Python Integrated Development and Learning
> Environment-- was once the apple of Guido's eye but has s
PLEASE KINDLY IGNORE MY FIRST TWO POSTS:
Due to some errors i need to repost.
Thank you.
IDLE: A cornicopia of mediocrity and obfuscation.
-- by Rick Johnson
IDLE --which is the Python Integrated Development and Learning
Environment-- was once the apple of Guido's eye but has
However we cannot blame the current maintainer...
You seem to still not know who -we- is. rewrite your message using I in place
of we, and you'll be on the right track.
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http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
On Jan 31, 11:39 am, rantingrick wrote:
In my original post i showed this code
#-- Puesdo Code --#
# in editor window __init__
self.autocomplete = AutoComplete(blah)
# in editor window onKeyPress(blah)
if key == 'Tab' and blah:
self.autocomplete.show_tip(blah)
elif key == 'E
IDLE: A cornicopia of mediocrity and obfuscation.
-- by Rick Johnson
IDLE --which is the Python Integrated Development and Learning
Environment-- was once the apple of Guido's eye but has since
degenerated into madness many years ago and remains now as the shining
jewel "show pie
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