Re: Tools to help with text mode (i.e. non-GUI) input

2025-01-17 Thread Keith Thompson via Python-list
Alan Gauld writes: > On 15/01/2025 00:41, Keith Thompson via Python-list wrote: >> Alan Gauld writes: >>> On 11/01/2025 14:28, Chris Green via Python-list wrote: >>>> I'm looking for Python packages that can help with text mode input, >>> >>>

Re: Tools to help with text mode (i.e. non-GUI) input

2025-01-17 Thread Keith Thompson via Python-list
al supports it, your current screen contents can be restored after the application finishes (curses enables the "alternate screen" and then restores the primary screen on exit). There don't seem to be a lot of good solutions for doing curses-like text manipulation without taking over th

Re: Help with Streaming and Chunk Processing for Large JSON Data (60 GB) from Kenna API

2024-10-01 Thread Keith Thompson via Python-list
ase. So the input #16f is read as the integer 65535. Typo: You meant #16R, not #16f. -- Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) keith.s.thompso...@gmail.com void Void(void) { Void(); } /* The recursive call of the void */ -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Bug in 3.12.5

2024-09-20 Thread Keith Thompson via Python-list
Martin Nilsson writes: > The attached program doesn’t work in 3.12.5, but in 3.9 it worked. Attachments don't show up either on the mailing list or the newsgroup. Try again with the program inline in your post (if it's not too long). -- Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) ke

Re: Process.start

2024-09-03 Thread Keith Thompson via Python-list
imagine that it would be even more difficult for readers whose first language is not English. You also indent your own new text, which is exactly the opposite of common Usenet conventions. (You've been doing this for a long time.) Please consider prioritizing your readers' convenience over whatever benefit you derive from your unconventional posting style. -- Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) keith.s.thompso...@gmail.com void Void(void) { Void(); } /* The recursive call of the void */ -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: ListAdmin: Is list/archive working correctly?

2024-08-31 Thread Keith Thompson via Python-list
iscuss the exact rules? I suggest that those rules should be documented on <https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list>. -- Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) keith.s.thompso...@gmail.com void Void(void) { Void(); } /* The recursive call of the void */ -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: new here

2024-08-25 Thread Keith Thompson via Python-list
ermission, for years. The comp.lang.python newsgroup and the Python-list mailing list are bidirectionally gatewayed. Both are public. Why is that a problem for you? Whose permission do you think is needed? https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list -- Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) keith.s

Re: bring back nntp library to python3

2024-08-14 Thread Keith Thompson via Python-list
he cause of additional work in the recent past. Python only contains the client side of NNTP, so the tests connect to external news servers. The servers are sometimes unavailable, too slow, or do not work correctly over IPv6. The situation causes flaky test runs on buildbots. ""&q

Re: ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'Paramiko'

2024-04-08 Thread Keith Thompson via Python-list
The command line needs a space after the > "-m": No, the option and its argument can be bundled. "-mpip" is equivalent to "-m pip". (The space might make it clearer for human readers.) [...] -- Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) keith.s.thompso...@gmail.com

Re: Invalid literal for int() with base 10?

2023-05-26 Thread Keith Thompson
Keith Thompson writes: > "Kevin M. Wilson" writes: >> Ok, I'm not finding any info. on the int() for converting a str to an >> int (that specifies a base parameter)?! > > https://docs.python.org/3/library/functions.html#int [...] Or `print(int.__doc__)` at

Re: Invalid literal for int() with base 10?

2023-05-25 Thread Keith Thompson
gh the fire, you will not be burned: the > flames will not set you ablaze."      Isaiah 43:2 You can add a signature to all your messages if you like, but it will be very helpful if you introduce it with a line consisting of "-- ", as I've done here. It would also be very helpf

Re: What to use instead of nntplib?

2023-05-22 Thread Keith Thompson
;ignore", category=DeprecationWarning) import nntplib If my understanding is correct, why is this such a big problem? -- Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) keith.s.thompso...@gmail.com Will write code for food. void Void(void) { Void(); } /* The recursive call of the void */ -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: What do these '=?utf-8?' sequences mean in python?

2023-05-08 Thread Keith Thompson
u anything meaningful. (What if there are actual underscores in the original subject line?) You should probably apply some kind of MIME-specific decoding. (I don't have a specific suggestion for how to do that.) -- Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) keith.s.thompso...@gmail.com Working, bu

Re: Hide my query about covariance matrix syntax from google

2023-04-14 Thread Keith Thompson
lete articles from Usenet. (The protocol includes a command to cancel an article, but servers ignore it due to past abuse.) -- Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) keith.s.thompso...@gmail.com Working, but not speaking, for XCOM Labs void Void(void) { Void(); } /* The recursive call of the void */ -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: =- and -= snag

2023-03-14 Thread Keith Thompson
I thought "Pythonic" was more about how you write code than about the design of the language. But designing a language syntax so typos are likely to be syntax errors rather than valid code with different semantics is an interesting challenge. -- Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) keit

Re: Python 3.10 Fizzbuzz

2023-03-02 Thread Keith Thompson
tness". I offer no opinion on whether that's accurate. -- Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) keith.s.thompso...@gmail.com Working, but not speaking, for XCOM Labs void Void(void) { Void(); } /* The recursive call of the void */ -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: hello can I be in your group?

2023-01-06 Thread Keith Thompson
response from "Manosh Manosh", I recommend ignoring it. He appears to be a spammer. -- Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) keith.s.thompso...@gmail.com Working, but not speaking, for XCOM Labs void Void(void) { Void(); } /* The recursive call of the void */ -- https://mail.python.org/mailm

Re: What should go to stdout/stderr and why Python logging write everything to stderr?

2023-01-03 Thread Keith Thompson
another. I would expect user prompts to be written to stdout, or perhaps to some system-specific stream like the current tty, not to stderr. If a program has user prompts, it probably doesn't make sense to pipe its output to the input of another. -- Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) keith.

3D surface plot

2019-03-17 Thread Keith Anthony
I should know this ...! Anyway, I have a list of 36 tuples, each with x, y, z values I want to create a surface plot ... Need help putting data into right format for matplot3D ... This is a gmail account used by Keith D. Anthony On Sat, Mar 16, 2019 at 12:03 PM wrote: > Send Python-l

Elastic Search

2017-04-07 Thread Keith Anthony
I need some insightful examples of elastic search, using REGEX ... And using REST. -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Is Microsoft Windows secretly downloading childporn to your computer ?!

2015-12-02 Thread Keith Thompson
puter, isn't the hacker > "downloading" things to your computer? My understanding of the word "downloading" has always been STOP FEEDING THE TROLL! -- Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) ks...@mib.org <http://www.ghoti.net/~kst> Working, but not speaking, for JetHead De

Re: Is Microsoft Windows secretly downloading childporn to your computer ?!

2015-12-01 Thread Keith Thompson
computers, anything else you > say is obviously not worth readin. Nor is it worth replying to. *Please* don't feed the troll. (Followups set.) -- Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) ks...@mib.org <http://www.ghoti.net/~kst> Working, but not speaking, for JetHead Development, Inc.

Re: Pass a list of variables to a procedure

2012-04-07 Thread Keith Burns
Thank you, Chris! Sent from my iPhone On Apr 7, 2012, at 3:24 PM, Chris Rebert wrote: > On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 2:15 PM, KRB wrote: >> Hi there, >> >> I would like to be able to pass a list of variables to a procedure, and have >> the output assigned to them. > > You cannot pass a variable its

Re: Cannot connect to IMAP server in Python 3.2

2012-04-06 Thread Keith Medcalf
Steve Howell wrote in news:ae774035-9db0-469d-aa2a- 02f2d25ff...@qg3g2000pbc.googlegroups.com: > Once you are able to import ssl, you should be able to use IMAP4_SSL, > but that still doesn't entirely explain to me why you got a timeout > error with plain IMAP4 and the proper port. (I would have

Re: xlrd 0.7.6 released!

2012-04-06 Thread Keith Medcalf
Karim wrote in news:mailman.1309.1333529851.3037.python-l...@python.org: > This release manage the '.xlsx' format? http://packages.python.org/openpyxl/ -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Kind of OT - Books on software development?

2011-05-25 Thread Ed Keith
--- On Wed, 5/25/11, Ed Keith wrote: > I do not have my library with me, but > I remember a book that fits the bill exactly, is was from > Microsoft Press, I think it was called "Writing Solid Code" I have done some research at amazon.com, and while "Writing Solid Cod

Re: Kind of OT - Books on software development?

2011-05-25 Thread Ed Keith
I do not have my library with me, but I remember a book that fits the bill exactly, is was from Microsoft Press, I think it was called "Writing Solid Code" Hope this helps, -EdK Ed Keith e_...@yahoo.com Blog: edkeith.blogspot.com --- On Wed, 5/25/11, Matty Sarro wrote: >

Re: Abandoning Python

2011-05-22 Thread Ed Keith
K Ed Keith e_...@yahoo.com Blog: edkeith.blogspot.com -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Testing changes to Python code on the fly: reload() + alternatives?

2011-04-12 Thread Keith
be to just run everything as a standalone script, but then you lose the ability to be able to easily inspect the objects you are working and change them on the fly, except perhaps by using PDB. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! Keith -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Please post Chuck Missler Bible audio/video

2011-02-16 Thread Keith Anthony
Anything from Chuck Missler . I've lost my collection. Thanks. -- - --- -- - Posted with NewsLeecher v4.0 Final Web @ http://www.newsleecher.com/?usenet --- - -- - -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: More Help with python .find fucntion

2011-01-08 Thread Keith Anthony
THanks ... I am new to Python ... Comparing the result of find with -1 fixes the bug ... some of the endobj start in the firt position ... You're right about the lines ending in \n by accident, EXCEPT in PDF files items are separated by obj <<\n and endobj\n --

More Help with python .find fucntion

2011-01-07 Thread Keith Anthony
My previous question asked how to read a file into a strcuture a line at a time. Figured it out. Now I'm trying to use .find to separate out the PDF objects. (See code) PROBLEM/QUESTION: My call to lines[i].find does NOT find all instances of endobj. Any help available? Any insights? #!/usr/b

Modifying an existing excel spreadsheet

2010-12-20 Thread Ed Keith
py it to a new spreadsheet and write the new spreadsheet, but I can't seem to copy the images, and it looks like copying the formatting is going to be difficult. Can anyone give me any tips or advice? Thanks in advance,    -EdK Ed Keith e_...@yahoo.com Blog: edkeith.blogspot.com

Re: Scheme as a virtual machine?

2010-11-23 Thread Keith H Duggar
On Nov 23, 10:34 am, Raffael Cavallaro wrote: > On 2010-11-23 10:08:12 -0500, Keith H Duggar said: > > On Nov 22, 5:12 pm, Raffael Cavallaro > > wrote: > > > On 2010-11-22 11:25:34 -0500, scattered said: > > > > > > > And you don't think that [

Re: Scheme as a virtual machine?

2010-11-23 Thread Keith H Duggar
On Nov 22, 5:12 pm, Raffael Cavallaro wrote: > On 2010-11-22 11:25:34 -0500, scattered said: > > > And you don't think that [JH] could write a book about Haskell > > if he honestly came to think that it were a superior all-aroung > > language? > > Until he actually does, he has a financial interes

Generating PDF file in Python

2010-10-26 Thread Ed Keith
? Are there other options I have overlooked? -EdK Ed Keith e_...@yahoo.com Blog: edkeith.blogspot.com -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: "Strong typing vs. strong testing"

2010-10-13 Thread Keith Thompson
27;t wrap my brain around > what it meant to square a second. > > Now that I think about it, I still can't. :-) Fuel economy can be measured in reciprocal acres (or reciprocal hectares if you prefer). miles/gallon or km/liter is distance / distance**3 --> distance**-2. -- Keith Th

Re: "Strong typing vs. strong testing"

2010-10-12 Thread Keith Thompson
s for it. Mathematicians could have chosen to set the full circumference to 1, for example, but then a lot of computations would contain additional multiplications and/or divisions by 2*pi. -- Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) ks...@mib.org <http://www.ghoti.net/~kst> Nokia "We must do some

Re: "Strong typing vs. strong testing"

2010-10-06 Thread Keith H Duggar
On Sep 29, 9:01 pm, RG wrote: > That the problem is "elsewhere in the program" ought to be small > comfort.  But very well, try this instead: > > [...@mighty:~]$ cat foo.c > #include > > int maximum(int a, int b) { return a > b ? a : b; } > > int main() { >   long x = 8589934592; >   printf("Max

Re: "Strong typing vs. strong testing"

2010-10-01 Thread Keith Thompson
x27;t picked up quickly by running with more warnings enabled. >> >>> This is the scenario discussed in this thread, a long is passed to >>> maximum without a compiler warning. >> >> The compiler didn't pass the wrong type, the user did. > > And the

Re: "Strong typing vs. strong testing"

2010-10-01 Thread Keith Thompson
entirely unreasonable; some programmers might prefer to write foo(1L) rather than foo(1), to make it clear that the argument being passed is of type long rather than int. I don't know whether gcc provides this level of control over which conversions it warns about, but again, that's a

Re: "Strong typing vs. strong testing"

2010-10-01 Thread Keith Thompson
TheFlyingDutchman writes: > On Sep 30, 10:37 pm, RG wrote: >> In article <87tyl63cag@mail.geddis.org>, >>  Don Geddis wrote: >> > Keith Thompson wrote on Thu, 30 Sep 2010: >> > > RG writes: >> > >> You're missing a lot of con

Re: "Strong typing vs. strong testing"

2010-10-01 Thread Keith Thompson
sentence, and that's certainly correct. > >> Why do you consider the term "compile error" a "mandate to stop >> compiling"? > > Because that's what people normally mean -- compilation failed. At least for C, I'd say it refers to a syntax e

Re: "Strong typing vs. strong testing"

2010-09-30 Thread Keith Thompson
RG writes: [...] > You're missing a lot of context. I'm not trying to criticize C, just to > refute a false claim that was made about it. Can you cite the article that made this false claim, and exactly what the false claim was? -- Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) ks..

Re: "Strong typing vs. strong testing"

2010-09-30 Thread Keith Thompson
Seebs writes: > On 2010-09-30, Keith Thompson wrote: >> Seebs writes: >>> On 2010-09-30, Paul Rubin wrote: >>>> int maximum(int a, int b); > >>>> int foo() { >>>> int (*barf)() = maximum; >>>> return barf(

Re: "Strong typing vs. strong testing"

2010-09-30 Thread Keith Thompson
is: const double pi = 2.71828182845904523526; To a human reader, it's obviously either a mistake or deliberate obfuscation, but I'm not sure I'd *want* my compiler to warn me about it just because I named the object "pi" rather than "e". (And if I called it "x", even an intelligent human wouldn't know that it's wrong.) -- Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) ks...@mib.org <http://www.ghoti.net/~kst> Nokia "We must do something. This is something. Therefore, we must do this." -- Antony Jay and Jonathan Lynn, "Yes Minister" -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: "Strong typing vs. strong testing"

2010-09-30 Thread Keith Thompson
RG writes: > In article , > Keith Thompson wrote: >> RG writes: >> [...] >> > You can't have it both ways. Either I am calling it incorrectly, in >> > which case I should get a compiler error, or I am calling it correctly, >> > and I should

Re: "Strong typing vs. strong testing"

2010-09-30 Thread Keith Thompson
#x27;s better to use prototypes consistently than to figure out the rules for interactions between prototyped vs. non-prototyped function declarations. [...] -- Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) ks...@mib.org <http://www.ghoti.net/~kst> Nokia "We must do something. This is somethi

Re: "Strong typing vs. strong testing"

2010-09-30 Thread Keith Thompson
incorrectly, but I wouldn't expect my compiler to warn me about it. If you're arguing that int maximum(int a, int b) { return a > b ? a : b; } is flawed because it's too easy to call it incorrectly, you're effectively arguing that it's not possible to

Re: "Strong typing vs. strong testing"

2010-09-29 Thread Keith Thompson
RG writes: > In article , > Keith Thompson wrote: [...] >> Even here, maximum() did exactly what was asked of it. > > Of course. Computers always do only exactly what you ask of them. On > this view there is, by definition, no such thing as a bug, only > specificatio

Re: "Strong typing vs. strong testing"

2010-09-29 Thread Keith Thompson
f most CPUs. Here's another example: #include int maximum(int a, int b) { return a > b ? a : b; } int main(void) { double x = 1.8; printf("Max of %f and 1 is %d\n", x, maximum(x, 1)); return 0; } Output: Max of 1.80 and 1 is 1 -- Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith)

Re: "Strong typing vs. strong testing"

2010-09-29 Thread Keith Thompson
RG writes: > In article , > Keith Thompson wrote: > >> RG writes: >> > In article >> > <07f75df3-778d-4e3d-8aa0-fbd4bd108...@k22g2000prb.googlegroups.com>, >> > Squeamizh wrote: >> >> On Sep 29, 3:02 pm, RG wrote: >> [...]

Re: "Strong typing vs. strong testing"

2010-09-29 Thread Keith Thompson
l set. I'm interested in minimizing the number of problems I >> run into during development, and the number of bugs that are in the >> finished product. My opinion is that static typed languages are >> better at this for large projects, for the reasons I stated in my

Re: "Strong typing vs. strong testing"

2010-09-29 Thread Keith Thompson
Erik Max Francis writes: > Keith Thompson wrote: >> Erik Max Francis writes: >> [...] >>> >>> print c # floating point accuracy aside >>> 299792458.0 m/s >> >> Actually, the speed of light is exactly 299792458.0 m/s by >> defini

Re: "Strong typing vs. strong testing"

2010-09-28 Thread Keith Thompson
tively recently.) -- Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) ks...@mib.org <http://www.ghoti.net/~kst> Nokia "We must do something. This is something. Therefore, we must do this." -- Antony Jay and Jonathan Lynn, "Yes Minister" -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: "Strong typing vs. strong testing"

2010-09-28 Thread Keith Thompson
3, and 1 m^3/sec is exactly 13.7365022817792 kbarrels/day. (Please feel free to check my math.) That's admittedly a lot of digits, but there's no need for approximations (unless they're imposed by the numeric representation you're using). -- Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith)

Re: Static typing, Python, D, DbC

2010-09-12 Thread Ed Keith
; the term is that it's a static verification technique, > marketing-speak > annotating subroutines with pre- and post- conditions that > can be > checked with Hoare logic.  Runtime checks wouldn't > qualify as that. Eiffel throws an exception when a contract is violated.

Re: How far can stack [LIFO] solve do automatic garbage collection and prevent memory leak ?

2010-08-19 Thread Keith Thompson
Standish P writes: > On Aug 18, 5:38 pm, Keith Thompson wrote: [...] >> Show me how this is relevant to comp.lang.c, comp.lang.c++, comp.theory, >> or comp.lang.python.  Please trim the Newsgroups line. > > provide a rigorous proof that people are more interested in

Re: How far can stack [LIFO] solve do automatic garbage collection and prevent memory leak ?

2010-08-18 Thread Keith Thompson
on > of the "nouns" ? [...] Show me how this is relevant to comp.lang.c, comp.lang.c++, comp.theory, or comp.lang.python. Please trim the Newsgroups line. -- Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) ks...@mib.org <http://www.ghoti.net/~kst> Nokia "We must do something. This is some

Re: GNU Emacs Developement Inefficiency (commentary)

2010-07-17 Thread Keith Thompson
Emmy Noether writes: [98 lines deleted] The parent article was posted to comp.emacs and comp.lang.lisp. Why did you cross-post your followup to comp.lang.c, comp.lang.python, and comp.lang.scheme? -- Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) ks...@mib.org <http://www.ghoti.net/~kst> Nokia "

Re: Help choosing license for new projects

2010-07-13 Thread Ed Keith
has always bothered me because relinking without recompiling (even when dynamic linking) in C/C++ is a good way to crash a program. But this should not be a problem with Python. >   MIT license This one is good. >   Mozilla Public license 1.1 I avoid this one. >   New BSD Licens

Re: python instructor

2010-07-09 Thread Ed Keith
Where are you located? -EdK Ed Keith e_...@yahoo.com Blog: edkeith.blogspot.com --- On Fri, 7/9/10, Greg wrote: > From: Greg > Subject: python instructor > To: python-list@python.org > Date: Friday, July 9, 2010, 10:09 AM > We're looking for a first-rate python >

Re: Download Microsoft C/C++ compiler for use with Python 2.6/2.7 ASAP

2010-07-06 Thread Ed Keith
I downloaded the ISO, but it seems to be just a bit too big to fit on a CD! This seems odd to me, has anyone else had this problem? -EdK Ed Keith e_...@yahoo.com Blog: edkeith.blogspot.com --- On Tue, 7/6/10, sturlamolden wrote: > From: sturlamolden > Subject: Download Microso

Re: Should I Learn Python or Ruby next?

2010-06-23 Thread Ed Keith
       Dennis Lee > Bieber         AF6VN >         wlfr...@ix.netcom.com  >   HTTP://wlfraed.home.netcom.com/ > > -- > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list > Try J. It does not require a special keyboard. -EdK Ed Keith e_...@yahoo.com Blog: edkeith.blogspot.com -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Should I Learn Python or Ruby next?

2010-06-23 Thread Ed Keith
; -- > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list > I agree you should learn a DIFFERENT programming language. Perl, Python, & Ruby are all quite similar. If you want to expand your horizons, learn one of the following: Forth -lots of fun. Assembler - give you a m

Re: GUIs - A Modest Proposal

2010-06-14 Thread Ed Keith
Nice! I've been looking for that trick for some time. Thank you, -EdK Ed Keith e_...@yahoo.com Blog: edkeith.blogspot.com --- On Mon, 6/14/10, AD. wrote: > From: AD. > Subject: Re: GUIs - A Modest Proposal > To: python-list@python.org > Date: Monday, June 14, 2010, 8:

Re: GUIs - A Modest Proposal

2010-06-14 Thread Ed Keith
>     } > > > > /> > /> > > > > > -- > Cheers > Anton > -- > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list > But that is in a fixed size field, can you make the height change based on the height of the browser window, and still keep it centered? -EdK Ed Keith e_...@yahoo.com Blog: edkeith.blogspot.com -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Picking a license

2010-05-18 Thread Ed Keith
--- On Tue, 5/18/10, Robert Kern wrote: > From: Robert Kern > Subject: Re: Picking a license > To: python-list@python.org > Date: Tuesday, May 18, 2010, 12:03 PM > On 2010-05-16 09:25 , Ed Keith > wrote: > > > > --- On Sat, 5/15/10, Lawrence D'Oliveir

Re: Picking a license

2010-05-18 Thread Ed Keith
--- On Sat, 5/15/10, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: > From: Lawrence D'Oliveiro > Subject: Re: Picking a license > To: python-list@python.org > Date: Saturday, May 15, 2010, 11:09 PM > In message , > Ed Keith > wrote: > > > But if my client give someone

Re: Picking a license

2010-05-18 Thread Ed Keith
--- On Sat, 5/15/10, Duncan Booth wrote: > From: Duncan Booth > Subject: Re: Picking a license > To: python-list@python.org > Date: Saturday, May 15, 2010, 8:52 AM > Ed Keith > wrote: > > > I can not imagine anyone being stupid enough to pay me > for rights

Re: Picking a license

2010-05-18 Thread Ed Keith
—Andy Rooney, _Boston | > _o__)              >                 >                 >   Globe_ 1982-05-30 | > Ben Finney > -- > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list > Why don't your own customers under cut you? If you sell someone GPLed software they have t

Re: Picking a license

2010-05-16 Thread Ed Keith
--- On Sat, 5/15/10, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: > From: Lawrence D'Oliveiro > Subject: Re: Picking a license > To: python-list@python.org > Date: Saturday, May 15, 2010, 11:06 PM > In message , > Ed Keith > wrote: > > > On Fri, 5/14/10, Lawrence D

Re: Picking a license

2010-05-16 Thread Ed Keith
--- On Sat, 5/15/10, Robert Kern wrote: > From: Robert Kern > Subject: Re: Picking a license > To: python-list@python.org > Date: Saturday, May 15, 2010, 1:10 PM > On 2010-05-14 21:37 , Steven D'Aprano > wrote: > > On Fri, 14 May 2010 06:42:31 -0700, Ed Keith wrote

Re: Picking a license

2010-05-15 Thread Ed Keith
--- On Thu, 5/13/10, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > From: Steven D'Aprano > Subject: Re: Picking a license > To: python-list@python.org > Date: Thursday, May 13, 2010, 7:41 PM > On Thu, 13 May 2010 06:24:04 -0700, > Ed Keith wrote: > > > --- On Thu, 5/13

Re: Picking a license

2010-05-15 Thread Ed Keith
--- On Fri, 5/14/10, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > From: Steven D'Aprano > Subject: Re: Picking a license > To: python-list@python.org > Date: Friday, May 14, 2010, 10:59 PM > On Fri, 14 May 2010 06:39:05 -0700, > Ed Keith wrote: > > > Yes, under the GPL every

Re: Picking a license

2010-05-14 Thread Ed Keith
--- On Fri, 5/14/10, Paul Boddie wrote: > From: Paul Boddie > Subject: Re: Picking a license > To: python-list@python.org > Date: Friday, May 14, 2010, 8:12 PM > On 14 Mai, 21:18, Ed Keith > wrote: > > > > The GPL is fine when all parties concern understand >

Re: Picking a license

2010-05-14 Thread Ed Keith
--- On Fri, 5/14/10, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: > From: Lawrence D'Oliveiro > Subject: Re: Picking a license > To: python-list@python.org > Date: Friday, May 14, 2010, 10:07 PM > In message , > Ed Keith > wrote: > > > That is one good reason for choo

Re: Picking a license

2010-05-14 Thread Ed Keith
--- On Fri, 5/14/10, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: > From: Lawrence D'Oliveiro > Subject: Re: Picking a license > To: python-list@python.org > Date: Friday, May 14, 2010, 9:58 PM > In message , > Ed Keith > wrote: > > > Yes, under the GPL every one has

Re: Picking a license

2010-05-14 Thread Ed Keith
a GPLed version of Python, I think the license is permissive enough to allow that. If you did, do you think more people would use the GPLed version? Personally, I would use the version with the more permissive license, unless the GPLed version offered a significant advantage of some kind. -EdK Ed Keith e_...@yahoo.com Blog: edkeith.blogspot.com -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Picking a license

2010-05-14 Thread Ed Keith
disk. And if he give his friend the binary disk, but not the source disk (which is of no value to him or his friend), then he is in violation of the law, and he cannot even understand why. The GPL is fine when all parties concern understand what source code is and what to do with it. But when

Re: Picking a license

2010-05-14 Thread Ed Keith
e license. When I deliver my code to the client they are always free to do whatever they want with it. -EdK Ed Keith e_...@yahoo.com Blog: edkeith.blogspot.com -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Picking a license

2010-05-14 Thread Ed Keith
by the GPL are a strict subset of the right granted by the Boost license. So your argument does not work. -EdK Ed Keith e_...@yahoo.com Blog: edkeith.blogspot.com -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Picking a license

2010-05-14 Thread Ed Keith
PL today, I can change my mind and release the same code under the Boost license tomorrow. But if I release it with the Boost license, while technically I can release it with the GPL tomorrow, in practice everyone will use the previously released Boost licensed version. -EdK Ed Keith e_...@yahoo.com Blog: edkeith.blogspot.com -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Picking a license

2010-05-14 Thread Ed Keith
of Boost I would not have had this problem? I use the Boost Libraries (http://www.boost.org/) in most of my code. Do you believe they are likely to disappear because they are not covered by the GPL? -EdK Ed Keith e_...@yahoo.com Blog: edkeith.blogspot.com -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Picking a license

2010-05-14 Thread Ed Keith
if you let someone else have a copy of you work you are putting them in a position where that can easily/inadvertently violate the law. I do not want to put clients in legal jeopardy, so I do not use GPL, or LGPLed code. I do not claim that using the GLP is immoral, nor deny others right to use

Re: Picking a license

2010-05-14 Thread Ed Keith
. Any MIT licensed code that I may have used is still in the common. My using it did not reomove it from the common. Has the fact that Python has been used for many commercial/propitiatory projects reduced your ability to make use of it? If so how? -EdK Ed Keith e_...@yahoo.com Blog: edkeith.blogspot.com -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Picking a license

2010-05-14 Thread Ed Keith
--- On Thu, 5/13/10, Patrick Maupin wrote: > From: Patrick Maupin > Subject: Re: Picking a license > To: python-list@python.org > Date: Thursday, May 13, 2010, 11:45 PM > On May 13, 10:06 pm, Lawrence > D'Oliveiro central.gen.new_zealand> wrote: > > I

Re: Picking a license

2010-05-14 Thread Ed Keith
--- On Thu, 5/13/10, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: > From: Lawrence D'Oliveiro > Subject: Re: Picking a license > To: python-list@python.org > Date: Thursday, May 13, 2010, 11:07 PM > In message , > Ed Keith > wrote: > > > On Thu, 5/13/10, Lawrence D

Re: Picking a license

2010-05-14 Thread Ed Keith
--- On Thu, 5/13/10, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: > From: Lawrence D'Oliveiro > Subject: Re: Picking a license > To: python-list@python.org > Date: Thursday, May 13, 2010, 11:06 PM > In message , > Ed Keith > wrote: > > > Assertion I: > >    If per

Re: Picking a license

2010-05-13 Thread Ed Keith
ALWAYS give my client my source code. But I do not want to bind them to the requirements of the GPL, I want them to be free do do what they want with the program, so I never incorporate any GPLed code in my projects. -EdK Ed Keith e_...@yahoo.com Blog: edkeith.blogspot.com -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Picking a license

2010-05-13 Thread Ed Keith
gt; prohibitied > open source derivatives. If I use MIT licensed code, I can give someone else access to the program with out binding them to the legal restrictions of the GPL. -EdK Ed Keith e_...@yahoo.com Blog: edkeith.blogspot.com -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Picking a license

2010-05-13 Thread Ed Keith
com>, > Patrick > Maupin wrote: > > > On May 12, 10:48 pm, Lawrence D'Oliveiro > > > wrote: > > > >> In message , > Ed > >> Keith wrote: > >> > >> > ... but to claim that putting more > restrictions on someone give them

Re: Picking a license

2010-05-13 Thread Ed Keith
--- On Wed, 5/12/10, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: > From: Lawrence D'Oliveiro > Subject: Re: Picking a license > To: python-list@python.org > Date: Wednesday, May 12, 2010, 11:48 PM > In message , > Ed Keith > wrote: > > > ... but to claim that putting

Re: Picking a license

2010-05-13 Thread Ed Keith
y? I vote for C, but would like to hear any arguments for another position. -EdK Ed Keith e_...@yahoo.com Blog: edkeith.blogspot.com -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Picking a license

2010-05-13 Thread Ed Keith
--- On Thu, 5/13/10, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: > From: Lawrence D'Oliveiro > Subject: Re: Picking a license > To: python-list@python.org > Date: Thursday, May 13, 2010, 8:38 AM > In message , > Ed Keith > wrote: > > > If, on the other hand you are r

Re: Picking a license

2010-05-12 Thread Ed Keith
resort of those who have run out of good arguments. The more you engage in it the weaker you make your position. This thread is generating more heat than light, and probably should be dropped. -EdK Ed Keith e_...@yahoo.com Blog: edkeith.blogspot.com -- http://mail.python.org/m

Re: Picking a license

2010-05-09 Thread Ed Keith
LGPL code. So I do not waist my time learning to use libraries covered by restrictive licenses. So if you want me to even consider using your library do not use GPL, or LGPL. I favor the Boost license in this case. I hope this is useful. -EdK Ed Keith e_...@yahoo.com Blog: edkeith.blogspo

Re: Picking a license (an atempt to give real advice)

2010-05-09 Thread Ed Keith
se it, but others might, and you may get paid for your work. The bottom line is: if you want the largest possible user base, go with a less restrictive license; If you hope to profit financially from your work, use the GPL. Just my $0.02, I hope it is helpful.    -EdK Ed Keith e_...@yaho

Re: Teaching Programming

2010-05-05 Thread Ed Keith
--- On Tue, 5/4/10, alex23 wrote: > From: alex23 > Subject: Re: Teaching Programming > To: python-list@python.org > Date: Tuesday, May 4, 2010, 8:47 PM > Ed Keith > wrote: > > Knuth wanted the generated source to be unreadable, so > people would not be tempted

Re: Sharing a program I wrote

2010-05-04 Thread Ed Keith
tt > -- > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list > It depends on exactly what you want to do. I'd suggest you look at the following sites: http://developer.berlios.de/ http://codepad.org/ http://pastebin.com/ http://ideone.com/ One of them might be what your looking for. -EdK Ed Keith e_...@yahoo.com Blog: edkeith.blogspot.com -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

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