Re: BUSTED!!! 100% VIDEO EVIDENCE that WTC7 was controlled demolition!! NEW FOOTAGE!!! Ask yourself WHY havn't I seen this footage before?

2007-05-04 Thread Eeyore
quasi wrote: > Gib Bogle wrote: > > >Ah, so the firefighters were in on the conspiracy! > > No, but the firefighters are very much aware that there is more to > 9/11 than has been officially revealed. > > This is even more true at Pentagon. The firefighters there brought > dogs trained to search

Re: Firefighters at the site of WTC7 "Move away the building is going to blow up, get back the building is going to blow up."

2007-05-04 Thread James Stroud
MooseFET wrote: > On May 4, 8:19 pm, James Stroud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> MooseFET wrote: >>> On May 4, 12:32 pm, James Stroud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> [] The Marxist contribution to western thought is that it put everything in terms of labor and thus allowed us to quantif

Re: How to check if a string is empty in python?

2007-05-04 Thread John Machin
On May 5, 12:19 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alex Martelli) wrote: > Larry Bates <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >... > > > Isn't deprecated like depreciated but not quite to zero yet? > > No. "To deprecate" comes from a Latin verb meaning "to ward off a > disaster by prayer"; when you're saying you de

Re: Firefighters at the site of WTC7 "Move away the building is going to blow up, get back the building is going to blow up."

2007-05-04 Thread MooseFET
On May 4, 8:19 pm, James Stroud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > MooseFET wrote: > > On May 4, 12:32 pm, James Stroud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > [] > > >>The Marxist contribution to western thought is that it put everything in > >>terms of labor and thus allowed us to quantify the human compone

Re: Python regular expressions just ain't PCRE

2007-05-04 Thread Marc 'BlackJack' Rintsch
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Wiseman wrote: > Note: I know there are LALR parser generators/parsers for Python, but > the very reason why re exists is to provide a much simpler, more > productive way to parse or validate simple languages and process text. > (The pyparse/yappy/yapps/ generator here> arg

Re: Do I have to quit python to load a module?

2007-05-04 Thread Peter Otten
wang frank wrote: > When I edit a module, I have to quit python and then restart python and > then import the module. Are there any way to avoid quit python to load an > updated module? When I am debugging a module code, I need to constantly > make changes. It is not convenient to quit and reload.

Re: Looping over lists

2007-05-04 Thread Marc 'BlackJack' Rintsch
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, prad wrote: > On Friday 04 May 2007 18:40:53 Tommy Grav wrote: >> Can anyone help me with the right approach for this >> in python? > > for each in a: > for item in a[a.index(each)+1:]: > print each,item > > will produce > > 1 2 > 1 3 > 1 4 > 1 5 > 2 3 > 2 4

Re: Looping over lists

2007-05-04 Thread Peter Otten
prad wrote: > On Friday 04 May 2007 18:40:53 Tommy Grav wrote: >> Can anyone help me with the right approach for this >> in python? > > for each in a: > for item in a[a.index(each)+1:]: > print each,item > > will produce > > 1 2 > 1 3 > 1 4 > 1 5 > 2 3 > 2 4 > 2 5 > 3 4 > 3 5 > 4 5

Re: Looping over lists

2007-05-04 Thread Paul Rubin
Tommy Grav <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > In C this would be equivalent to: > for(i = 0; i < n; i++) { > for(j=i+1; j < n; j++) { > print a[i], a[j] for i in xrange(n): for j in xrange(i+1, n): print a[i], a[j] -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Looping over lists

2007-05-04 Thread Peter Otten
Tommy Grav wrote: > I have a list: > >a = [1., 2., 3., 4., 5.] > > I want to loop over a and then > loop over the elements in a > that is to the right of the current > element of the first loop > > In C this would be equivalent to: > > for(i = 0; i < n; i++) { > for(j=i+1; j < n; j++)

Do I have to quit python to load a module?

2007-05-04 Thread wang frank
Hi, When I edit a module, I have to quit python and then restart python and then import the module. Are there any way to avoid quit python to load an updated module? When I am debugging a module code, I need to constantly make changes. It is not convenient to quit and reload. Thanks Frank __

Re: Firefighters at the site of WTC7 "Move away the building is going to blow up, get back the building is going to blow up."

2007-05-04 Thread James Stroud
Charles wrote: > On Fri, 04 May 2007 20:19:33 -0700, James Stroud > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >>MooseFET wrote: >> >>>On May 4, 12:32 pm, James Stroud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>[] >>> >>> The Marxist contribution to western thought is that it put everything in terms of labor

mod_python not found properly by Apache (win32)

2007-05-04 Thread bill . simoni
I'm unable to get mod_python to work properly on my Windows XP box. Any help would be appreciated. Here is what is installed: Apache 2.2.4 Python 2.5.1 mod_python 3.3.1 for python 2.5 and apache 2.2 Here is the error I get when trying to start apache: Event Type: Error Event Source: Apache

Re: How to check if a string is empty in python?

2007-05-04 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On May 4, 9:19�pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alex Martelli) wrote: > Larry Bates <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > � �... > > > Isn't deprecated like depreciated but not quite to zero yet? > > No. �"To deprecate" comes from a Latin verb meaning "to ward off a > disaster by prayer"; when you're saying you dep

Re: Python regular expressions just ain't PCRE

2007-05-04 Thread Terry Reedy
"Wiseman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | I'm kind of disappointed with the re regular expressions module. I believe the current Python re module was written to replace the Python wrapping of pcre in order to support unicode. | In particular, the lack of support f

Re: My Python annoyances

2007-05-04 Thread Terry Reedy
"Ben Collver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | In the bug report itself, See my other response to you. | Feedback in this newsgroup names my bug report as a "hobby horse", That was not directed as you but the claim by someone else that I and other reviewers are i

Re: My Python annoyances

2007-05-04 Thread Terry Reedy
"Ben Collver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Hi Terry, | | I understand and agree that the number was the same bit pattern. OK | I don't remember being asked to challenge this. You don't need an invitation to disagree with another person's tracker comment. I a

change of random state when pyc created??

2007-05-04 Thread Alan Isaac
This may seem very strange, but it is true. If I delete a .pyc file, my program executes with a different state! In a single directory I have module1 and module2. module1 imports random and MyClass from module2. module2 does not import random. module1 sets a seed like this:: if __name__ == "__m

Re: Firefighters at the site of WTC7 "Move away the building is going to blow up, get back the building is going to blow up."

2007-05-04 Thread Charles
On Fri, 04 May 2007 20:19:33 -0700, James Stroud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >MooseFET wrote: >> On May 4, 12:32 pm, James Stroud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> [] >> >>>The Marxist contribution to western thought is that it put everything in >>>terms of labor and thus allowed us to quantify th

Re: Firefighters at the site of WTC7 "Move away the building is going to blow up, get back the building is going to blow up."

2007-05-04 Thread James Stroud
MooseFET wrote: > On May 4, 12:32 pm, James Stroud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [] > >>The Marxist contribution to western thought is that it put everything in >>terms of labor and thus allowed us to quantify the human component of >>economies. > > > No the great insight by Marx was in the s

Re: Why are functions atomic?

2007-05-04 Thread Alex Martelli
Michael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thus, whenever I need to pass information to a function, I use default > arguments now. Is there any reason not to do this other than the fact > that it is a bit more typing? You're giving your functions a signature that's different from the one you expect it

Re: Looping over lists

2007-05-04 Thread prad
On Friday 04 May 2007 18:40:53 Tommy Grav wrote: > Can anyone help me with the right approach for this > in python? for each in a: for item in a[a.index(each)+1:]: print each,item will produce 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 2 3 2 4 2 5 3 4 3 5 4 5 a.index(each) gives the index of the each value i

Re: Newbie and Page Re-Loading

2007-05-04 Thread Alex Martelli
Miki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ... > > Is there a lightweight Https Server I could run locally (WINXP), which > > would run .py scripts, without lots of installation modifications ? > http://lighttpd.net. > Make sure "mod_cgi" is uncommented, set your document root and set > right python interp

Re: Strange terminal behavior after quitting Tkinter application

2007-05-04 Thread Chris
On May 5, 1:24 am, Dennis Lee Bieber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 4 May 2007 08:02:13 -0700, Chris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> declaimed the > following in comp.lang.python: > > > Ah, sorry, I wasn't being precise. I meant the python commandline > > python interpreter. > > > So from aterminalI type (for

Re: Further adventures in array slicing.

2007-05-04 Thread Alex Martelli
Steven W. Orr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ... > I need to unpack this into three seperate arrays called name, fields, > valid. The old code looked like this: You're using lists, not arrays. If you DID want arrays, you'd have to import standard library module array, and you'd be limited to a few

Re: Counting

2007-05-04 Thread Steve Holden
James Stroud wrote: > James Stroud wrote: >> James Stroud wrote: [finally ...] > > I should really wait until I've had some coffee. Not continue, but break! > > > for i,line in enumerate(linelist): >line = line.split() >for k in line: > if keyword.iskeyword(k): >total += lin

Re: Looping over lists

2007-05-04 Thread Alex Martelli
Tommy Grav <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have a list: > >a = [1., 2., 3., 4., 5.] > > I want to loop over a and then > loop over the elements in a > that is to the right of the current > element of the first loop > > In C this would be equivalent to: > > for(i = 0; i < n; i++) { > for

Re: How to check if a string is empty in python?

2007-05-04 Thread Alex Martelli
Larry Bates <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ... > Isn't deprecated like depreciated but not quite to zero yet? No. "To deprecate" comes from a Latin verb meaning "to ward off a disaster by prayer"; when you're saying you deprecate something, you're saying you're praying for that something to disapp

What happened to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

2007-05-04 Thread Carsten Haese
Hiya, I just tried sending an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] to request a website change, and the email bounced back with this excerpt from the delivery failure report: """ Reporting-MTA: dns; bag.python.org [...] Final-Recipient: rfc822; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Original-Recipient: rfc822; [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Firefighters at the site of WTC7 "Move away the building is going to blow up, get back the building is going to blow up."

2007-05-04 Thread MooseFET
On May 4, 12:32 pm, James Stroud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [] > The Marxist contribution to western thought is that it put everything in > terms of labor and thus allowed us to quantify the human component of > economies. No the great insight by Marx was in the selling of ducks. "Anybody wan

Looping over lists

2007-05-04 Thread Tommy Grav
I have a list: a = [1., 2., 3., 4., 5.] I want to loop over a and then loop over the elements in a that is to the right of the current element of the first loop In C this would be equivalent to: for(i = 0; i < n; i++) { for(j=i+1; j < n; j++) { print a[i], a[j] and should yield:

Re: Microsoft's Dynamic Languages Runtime (DLR)

2007-05-04 Thread Paul Boddie
Fuzzyman wrote: > On May 4, 11:28 pm, Paul Boddie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Despite the permissive licences - it'd be hard to slap a > > bad EULA on IronPython now - the whole thing demonstrates Microsoft's > > disdain for open standards as usual, > > How do you work that out? It seems like a

Re: behavior difference for mutable and immutable variable in function definition

2007-05-04 Thread Roger Miller
On May 4, 12:39 pm, 7stud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On May 4, 3:30 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > Can anyone explain the following: > > > Python 2.5 (r25:51908, Apr 9 2007, 11:27:23) > > [GCC 4.1.1 20060525 (Red Hat 4.1.1-1)] on linux2 > > Type "help", "copyright", "credits" o

Python regular expressions just ain't PCRE

2007-05-04 Thread Wiseman
I'm kind of disappointed with the re regular expressions module. In particular, the lack of support for recursion ( (?R) or (?n) ) is a major drawback to me. There are so many great things that can be accomplished with regular expressions this way, such as validating a mathematical expression or pa

Re: How to check if a string is empty in python?

2007-05-04 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On May 4, 1:31 pm, "Hamilton, William " <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > On May 4, 5:02 am, Jaswant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > This is a simple way to do it i think > > > > s=hello > > > > >>> if(len(s)==0): > > > > ... print "Em

Re: Further adventures in array slicing.

2007-05-04 Thread 7stud
> A second question is: When can you use += vs .append(). > Are the two always the same? They are never the same unless you only add one item to the list. append() will only increase the length of a list by 1. la = [1,2] lb = [3, 4, 5] la += lb print la lc = [1,2] lc.append(lb) print lc --outpu

Re: Further adventures in array slicing.

2007-05-04 Thread John Machin
On May 5, 7:03 am, "Steven W. Orr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This is more for my education and not so much for practicality. > [snip] > > A second question is: When can you use += vs .append(). Are the two always > the same? > Formally, they can never be the same. They can be used to produce th

Re: behavior difference for mutable and immutable variable in function definition

2007-05-04 Thread 7stud
On May 4, 3:30 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hi, > > Can anyone explain the following: > > Python 2.5 (r25:51908, Apr 9 2007, 11:27:23) > [GCC 4.1.1 20060525 (Red Hat 4.1.1-1)] on linux2 > Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.>>> def > foo(): > > ... x = 2 >

Re: Microsoft's Dynamic Languages Runtime (DLR)

2007-05-04 Thread Fuzzyman
On May 4, 11:28 pm, Paul Boddie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Luis M. González wrote: > > > Indeed, the subject is absolutely on-topic. > > If can't talk about a so called "Dynamic Languages Runtime" in a > > pyhton mailing list, I wonder what it takes to be considered on-topic. > > Frankly, this on

Problems Drawing Over Network

2007-05-04 Thread Andrew
Hello Everyone I am receiving an error in an application I am working on. The application when its done will be a Dungeons and Dragons Network game. I am having problems with the Networked Canvas basically for drawing the dungeon maps If I initialize two of the Tkinter Canvas widgets with in t

Re: Microsoft's Dynamic Languages Runtime (DLR)

2007-05-04 Thread Paul Boddie
Luis M. González wrote: > > Indeed, the subject is absolutely on-topic. > If can't talk about a so called "Dynamic Languages Runtime" in a > pyhton mailing list, I wonder what it takes to be considered on-topic. > Frankly, this on-topic/off-topic fascism I see in this list is pissing > me off a lit

Re: behavior difference for mutable and immutable variable in function definition

2007-05-04 Thread Carsten Haese
On Fri, 2007-05-04 at 14:30 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hi, > > Can anyone explain the following: > > Python 2.5 (r25:51908, Apr 9 2007, 11:27:23) > [GCC 4.1.1 20060525 (Red Hat 4.1.1-1)] on linux2 > Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. > >>> def foo(): >

Re: behavior difference for mutable and immutable variable in function definition

2007-05-04 Thread James Stroud
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hi, > > Can anyone explain the following: > > Python 2.5 (r25:51908, Apr 9 2007, 11:27:23) > [GCC 4.1.1 20060525 (Red Hat 4.1.1-1)] on linux2 > Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. > def foo(): > > ... x = 2 > ... > foo(

Re: Getting some element from sets.Set

2007-05-04 Thread John Machin
On May 4, 6:23 pm, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On May 4, 11:34 am, Peter Otten <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > It is not possible to index set objects. That is OK. > > > But, what if I want to find some element from the Set. > > > > from sets

Re: Microsoft's Dynamic Languages Runtime (DLR)

2007-05-04 Thread Luis M . González
On May 4, 6:12 pm, Fuzzyman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On May 4, 5:27 pm, Kaz Kylheku <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > On May 2, 5:19 pm, sturlamolden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > On May 3, 2:15 am, Kaz Kylheku <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Kindly refrain from creating any more o

Re: adding methods at runtime and lambda

2007-05-04 Thread Peter Otten
Mike wrote: > I just realized in working with this more that the issues I was having > with instancemethod and other things seems to be tied solely to What you describe below is a function that happens to be an attribute of an instance. There are also "real" instance methods that know about "thei

Re: Microsoft's Dynamic Languages Runtime (DLR)

2007-05-04 Thread Fuzzyman
On May 4, 10:39 pm, Steven Howe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Fuzzyman wrote: [snip ...] > > >> You are childishly beckoning Usenet etiquette to be gone so that you > >> may do whatever you wish. But I trust that you will not, out of spite > >> for being rebuked, turn a few small mistakes into a per

Re: Microsoft's Dynamic Languages Runtime (DLR)

2007-05-04 Thread Steven Howe
Fuzzyman wrote: > On May 4, 5:27 pm, Kaz Kylheku <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> On May 2, 5:19 pm, sturlamolden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >>> On May 3, 2:15 am, Kaz Kylheku <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> Kindly refrain from creating any more off-topic, cross-posted threa

behavior difference for mutable and immutable variable in function definition

2007-05-04 Thread jianbing . chen
Hi, Can anyone explain the following: Python 2.5 (r25:51908, Apr 9 2007, 11:27:23) [GCC 4.1.1 20060525 (Red Hat 4.1.1-1)] on linux2 Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. >>> def foo(): ... x = 2 ... >>> foo() >>> def bar(): ... x[2] = 2 ... >>> >>> bar()

Re: How do I get type methods?

2007-05-04 Thread Fuzzyman
On May 3, 8:33 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hello! > > If I do > > import uno > localContext=uno.getComponentContext() > dir(type(localContext)) Perhaps ? Fuzzyman http://www.voidspace.org.uk/ironpython/index.shtml > then localContext is of type > I guess it's a new type provided by PyUNO e

Re: Microsoft's Dynamic Languages Runtime (DLR)

2007-05-04 Thread Fuzzyman
On May 4, 5:27 pm, Kaz Kylheku <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On May 2, 5:19 pm, sturlamolden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On May 3, 2:15 am, Kaz Kylheku <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Kindly refrain from creating any more off-topic, cross-posted threads. > > > Thanks. > > > The only off-topi

Re: Newbie and Page Re-Loading

2007-05-04 Thread Miki
Hello Richard, > I do not want to run a framework yet. I would like to understand > python at script level, before adding more aspects to learn, like > frameworks. The way CGI works is that your script is called every time the corresponding HTML is loaded. You can access all the parameters sent t

Re: Microsoft's Dynamic Languages Runtime (DLR)

2007-05-04 Thread Tony Nelson
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Kaz Kylheku <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On May 2, 5:19 pm, sturlamolden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On May 3, 2:15 am, Kaz Kylheku <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Kindly refrain from creating any more off-topic, cross-posted threads. > > > Thanks. > > > >

Further adventures in array slicing.

2007-05-04 Thread Steven W. Orr
This is more for my education and not so much for practicality. I have a structure that sort of looks like this: mdict = {33:{'name': 'Hello0', 'fields':'fields0', 'valid': 'valid0' 55:{'name': 'Hello1', 'fields':'fields1', 'valid': 'v

Re: Newbie and Page Re-Loading

2007-05-04 Thread Bruno Desthuilliers
mosscliffe a écrit : > Bruno, > > Many thanks for your very helpful reply. > > I am trying WingIDE Personal as an editor, up to now it seems OK. > > My ISP is running Python 2.4.3 and does not know about mod_python. > Few ISPs want to deploy mod_python... > I do not want to run a framework ye

Re: how to find a lable quickly?

2007-05-04 Thread Duncan Booth
"wang frank" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > I am a new user on Python and I really love it. > > I have a big text file with each line like: > > label 3 > teststart 5 > endtest 100 > newrun 2345 > > I opened the file by uu=open('test.txt','r') and then read the

Re: adding methods at runtime and lambda

2007-05-04 Thread Mike
On May 4, 2:05 pm, Peter Otten <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Mike wrote: > > staticmethod makes the function available to the whole class according > > to the docs. What if I only want it to be available on a particular > > instance? Say I'm adding abilities to a character in a game and I want > > t

Re: how to find a lable quickly?

2007-05-04 Thread Miki
Hello Frank, > I am a new user on Python and I really love it. The more you know, the deeper the love :) > I have a big text file with each line like: > > label 3 > teststart 5 > endtest 100 > newrun 2345 > > I opened the file by uu=open('test.txt','r') and then read th

Re: Why are functions atomic?

2007-05-04 Thread Michael
On May 4, 4:13 am, Dustan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On May 4, 1:36 am, Michael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > ... def g(x=x): > > ... x = x + 1 > > ... return x > > ... return g > > >>> g = f(3) > > >>> g()> > > 4 > >>> g() > 4 > >>> g() > 4 > >>> g() # what is going on h

Re: Why are functions atomic?

2007-05-04 Thread Chris Mellon
On 4 May 2007 12:59:39 -0700, Michael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On May 4, 9:19 am, John Nagle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > ... def g(): > > > ... x = x + 1 > > > > Too cute. Don't nest functions in Python; the scoping model > > isn't really designed for it. > > How can you

Re: How to check if a string is empty in python?

2007-05-04 Thread Larry Bates
Alex Martelli wrote: > Steven D'Aprano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> On Wed, 02 May 2007 21:19:54 -0400, Roy Smith wrote: >> >>> for c in s: >>>raise "it's not empty" >> String exceptions are depreciated and shouldn't be used. >> >> http://docs.python.org/api/node16.html > > They're actuall

Re: how to find a lable quickly?

2007-05-04 Thread Larry Bates
wang frank wrote: > Hi, > > I am a new user on Python and I really love it. > I have a big text file with each line like: > > label 3 > teststart 5 > endtest 100 > newrun 2345 > > I opened the file by uu=open('test.txt','r') and then read the data as > xx=uu.readlines(

Re: Why are functions atomic?

2007-05-04 Thread Chris Mellon
On 4 May 2007 12:55:03 -0700, Michael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On May 4, 5:49 am, "Chris Mellon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > You aren't getting "bit" by any problem with closures - this is a > > syntax problem. > > I understand that it is not closures that are specifically biting me. > Howev

Re: Why are functions atomic?

2007-05-04 Thread Michael
On May 4, 9:19 am, John Nagle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > ... def g(): > > ... x = x + 1 > > Too cute. Don't nest functions in Python; the scoping model > isn't really designed for it. How can you make generators then if you don't nest? > Python probably isn't the right l

Re: Why are functions atomic?

2007-05-04 Thread Michael
On May 4, 5:49 am, "Chris Mellon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You aren't getting "bit" by any problem with closures - this is a > syntax problem. I understand that it is not closures that are specifically biting me. However, I got bit, it was unplesant and I don't want to be bit again;-) Thus, w

Re: how to find a lable quickly?

2007-05-04 Thread Josh Bloom
I haven't used it myself, but I'm pretty sure you're going to get a lot of pointers to http://pyparsing.wikispaces.com/ Also you may want to start naming your variables something more descriptive. IE testResultsFile = open('test.txt','r') testLines=testResultsFile.readlines() for line in testLin

Re: Firefighters at the site of WTC7 "Move away the building is going to blow up, get back the building is going to blow up."

2007-05-04 Thread James Stroud
default wrote: > On Fri, 04 May 2007 03:26:17 -0700, James Stroud > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> default wrote: >>> On 2 May 2007 20:10:20 -0700, Midex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES >>> Trying to understand the World Trade Center events is like waking up >>> to ac

Re: Where are the strings in gc.get_objects?

2007-05-04 Thread Edward K Ream
The following script dumps all objects allocated since the last time it was called. It suppresses the dump if more than 200 new objects were allocated. g.app.idDict is a dict whose keys are id(obj) and whose values are obj. (g.app.idDict will persist between invocations of the script). This all

how to find a lable quickly?

2007-05-04 Thread wang frank
Hi, I am a new user on Python and I really love it. I have a big text file with each line like: label 3 teststart 5 endtest 100 newrun 2345 I opened the file by uu=open('test.txt','r') and then read the data as xx=uu.readlines() In xx, it contains the list of each

Re: Cannot execute Windows commands via Python in 64-bit

2007-05-04 Thread minitotoro
On May 2, 4:15 pm, minitotoro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On May 2, 3:46 pm, Larry Bates <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > minitotoro wrote: > > > On May 2, 3:07 pm, Larry Bates <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > >>> I have a script that runs fine in Windows 2003 (32

Re: My Python annoyances

2007-05-04 Thread Thorsten Kampe
* Ben Collver (Fri, 04 May 2007 06:40:50 -0700) > Thorsten Kampe wrote: > > He was using /Windows/ Python in Cygwin *chuckle*... Windows Python > > says Ctrl-Z because it doesn't know that it's been run from bash where > > Ctrl-Z is for job control. > > > > And the lesson we learn from that: if

RE: How to check if a string is empty in python?

2007-05-04 Thread Hamilton, William
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > On May 4, 5:02 am, Jaswant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > This is a simple way to do it i think > > > > s=hello > > > > >>> if(len(s)==0): > > > > ... print "Empty" > > ... else: > > ... print s > > ... > > hello > > But you are

Re: How safe is a set of floats?

2007-05-04 Thread Peter Otten
Paul McGuire wrote: > Just to beat this into the ground, "test for equality" appears to be > implemented as "test for equality of hashes". So if you want to > implement a class for the purposes of set membership, you must > implement a suitable __hash__ method. It is not sufficient to > implemen

Re: How to check if a string is empty in python?

2007-05-04 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On May 4, 5:02 am, Jaswant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This is a simple way to do it i think > > s=hello > > >>> if(len(s)==0): > > ... print "Empty" > ... else: > ... print s > ... > hello But you are still making the assumption that s is a string. (BTW, you need quotes around your exam

Re: Newbie and Page Re-Loading

2007-05-04 Thread mosscliffe
Bruno, Many thanks for your very helpful reply. I am trying WingIDE Personal as an editor, up to now it seems OK. My ISP is running Python 2.4.3 and does not know about mod_python. I do not want to run a framework yet. I would like to understand python at script level, before adding more aspe

Re: adding methods at runtime and lambda

2007-05-04 Thread Peter Otten
Mike wrote: > staticmethod makes the function available to the whole class according > to the docs. What if I only want it to be available on a particular > instance? Say I'm adding abilities to a character in a game and I want > to give a particular character the ability to 'NukeEverybody'. I don

Re: adding methods at runtime and lambda

2007-05-04 Thread Mike
On May 3, 11:25 pm, "Gabriel Genellina" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > En Thu, 03 May 2007 16:52:55 -0300, Mike <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió: > > > I was messing around with adding methods to a class instance at > > runtime and saw the usual code one finds online for this. All the > > examples I saw

Re: Decorating class member functions

2007-05-04 Thread Rhamphoryncus
On May 3, 10:34 pm, Peter Otten <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The problem is not that you are decorating a method but that you are trying > to use a callable class instance as a method. For that to work the class > has to implement the descriptor protocol, see > > http://users.rcn.com/python/downloa

Re: How safe is a set of floats?

2007-05-04 Thread Paul McGuire
On May 4, 11:50 am, Arnaud Delobelle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On May 4, 5:04 pm, Paul McGuire <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Does set membership test for equality ("==") or identity ("is")? I > > just did some simple class tests, and it looks like sets test for > > identity. > > Sets are lik

Re: invoke user's standard mail client

2007-05-04 Thread Cameron Laird
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Hello, > >the simplest way to launch the user's standard mail client from a >Python program is by creating a mailto: URL and launching the >webbrowser: > >def mailto_url(to=None,subject=None,body=None,cc=None): >""" >

Re: Newbie and Page Re-Loading

2007-05-04 Thread Bruno Desthuilliers
mosscliffe a écrit : > I am very new to this python world, but I do like the look of the > language / syntax, though I have had some problems with indenting > using a text editor. There's no shortage of smart code editor having a decent support for Python. > > I have managed to get my ISP to ex

Re: How safe is a set of floats?

2007-05-04 Thread Arnaud Delobelle
On May 4, 5:04 pm, Paul McGuire <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Does set membership test for equality ("==") or identity ("is")? I > just did some simple class tests, and it looks like sets test for > identity. Sets are like dictionaries, they test for equality: >>> a=1,2 >>> b=1,2 >>> a is b False

Re: New York City Python Users Group Meeting - Tuesday May 8th

2007-05-04 Thread ddimuc
Does that mean if I am not "in the NYC area", I am not welcomed?  Not even if I frequently visit NYC (Manhattan)?  If I were born and raised in NYC (not necessarily Manhattan), would I be granted the opportunity to attend?  Hmm... DPD. John Clark wrote: Greetings! The next Ne

Re: is there a module to work with pickled objects storage in database?

2007-05-04 Thread Bruno Desthuilliers
krishnakant Mane a écrit : > hello all, > I am trying a very complex kind of a task in a project. > I have a knowledge management system where I need to store a lot of > objects (pickled). I have to store mostly lists and dictionaries into > a rdbms. Which totally defeats the purpose of a rdbms.

Re: How safe is a set of floats?

2007-05-04 Thread Peter Otten
Paul McGuire wrote: > Does set membership test for equality ("==") or identity ("is")? As Alex said, equality: >>> a = 0.0 >>> b = -0.0 >>> a is b False >>> a == b True >>> set([a, b]) set([0.0]) Peter -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Microsoft's Dynamic Languages Runtime (DLR)

2007-05-04 Thread Kaz Kylheku
On May 2, 5:19 pm, sturlamolden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On May 3, 2:15 am, Kaz Kylheku <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Kindly refrain from creating any more off-topic, cross-posted threads. > > Thanks. > > The only off-topic posting in this thread is your own (and now this > one). You are ma

Re: Why are functions atomic?

2007-05-04 Thread John Nagle
Michael wrote: > On May 2, 6:08 am, Carsten Haese <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>On Tue, 2007-05-01 at 22:21 -0700, Michael wrote: > I agree the performance gains are minimal. Using function defaults > rather than closures, however, seemed much cleaner an more explicit to > me. For example, I h

ANN: ActivePython 2.5.1.1 is now available

2007-05-04 Thread Trent Mick
I'm happy to announce that ActivePython 2.5.1.1 is now available for download from: http://www.activestate.com/products/activepython/ This is a patch release that updates ActivePython to core Python 2.5.1. This release also fixes a couple problems with running pydoc from the command line on W

Re: How safe is a set of floats?

2007-05-04 Thread Arnaud Delobelle
On May 4, 3:21 pm, Thomas Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I want to generate all the fractions between 1 and limit (with > limit>1) in an orderly fashion, without duplicates. > > def all_ratios(limit): > s = set() > hi = 1.0 > lo = 1.0 > while True: > if hi/lo not in s:

Re: curses mystical error output

2007-05-04 Thread Skip Montanaro
> You might be trying to write to a section that is currently off > screen. Bingo. I *thought* I was okay, but I wasn't refreshing until the end of the display loop, so I never saw all the addstr() calls that had succeeded but which had yet to be painted. Adding a refresh() call in the loop expo

Re: How safe is a set of floats?

2007-05-04 Thread Paul McGuire
On May 4, 9:50 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alex Martelli) wrote: > Thomas Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I want to generate all the fractions between 1 and limit (with > > limit>1) in an orderly fashion, without duplicates. > > > def all_ratios(limit): > > s = set() > > hi = 1.0 > > l

Re: Lisp for the C21

2007-05-04 Thread Paul Rubin
Mark Tarver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > See my remarks on the Lisp for the Twenty First Century > http://www.lambdassociates.org/lC21.htm Anyone who didn't love lisp in the 20th century has no heart. Anyone who still loves it in the 21st, has no head. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/

Re: Why stay with lisp when there are python and perl?

2007-05-04 Thread Rayiner Hashem
> It is worth noting that eager, statically-typed languages like OCaml and F# > are many times faster than the other languages at this task. This is > precisely the forte of OCaml and F#, manipulating trees and graphs. To be fair, it is also worth noting that both the OCaml and F# implementations

Re: How do I get type methods?

2007-05-04 Thread Marc 'BlackJack' Rintsch
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Thomas Nelson wrote: > On May 4, 7:59 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> Let me retype my question: what I 'dir()' in case of 'pyuno' type >> instance? >> Or in case of 'dict' type instance? Or in case of any other new python >> type? > class Foo: > ... def f(self,x)

Re: My Python annoyances

2007-05-04 Thread Ben Collver
Alex Martelli wrote: > "Type-switching" in this way is a rather dubious practice in any > language (it can't respect the "open-closed" principle). Can't you have > those objects wrapped in suitable wrappers with a "copyorwrite" method > that knows what to do? For example, StringIO.StringIO is a s

Re: Strange terminal behavior after quitting Tkinter application

2007-05-04 Thread Chris
On May 4, 8:52 pm, "Hamilton, William " <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > -Original Message- > > From: Chris > > Subject: Re: Strange terminal behavior after quittingTkinter > application > > Clicking 'Quit' or on the window's 'x' causes the application to quit > > without messing up the termi

Re: My Python annoyances

2007-05-04 Thread Alex Martelli
Ben Collver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Chris Mellon wrote: > > You should "check" for the methods by calling them. If the object > > doesn't support the method in question, you will get a runtime > > exception. Premature inspection of an object is rarely useful and > > often outright harmful. >

Re: How safe is a set of floats?

2007-05-04 Thread Alex Martelli
Thomas Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I want to generate all the fractions between 1 and limit (with > limit>1) in an orderly fashion, without duplicates. > > def all_ratios(limit): > s = set() > hi = 1.0 > lo = 1.0 > while True: > if hi/lo not in s: > s.a

Re: My Python annoyances

2007-05-04 Thread Alex Martelli
Chris Mellon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I am unqualified to comment on the Python philosophy, but I would like > > > for my function to do some basic error checking on its arguments. > > > > By "basic error checking" I mean "verify that the file argument actually > > is a file-like object".

Re: My Python annoyances

2007-05-04 Thread Ben Collver
Chris Mellon wrote: > You should "check" for the methods by calling them. If the object > doesn't support the method in question, you will get a runtime > exception. Premature inspection of an object is rarely useful and > often outright harmful. That makes sense, thank you for the response. What

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